Why can't Aira and Jiji just have their own romance together from the start? Why the need for ritualized humiliation?
>>283252373No one can have romance. Romance manga die when the romance begins. It's all about will they won't they. Once you get the answer it's over.
>>283252510There is no question or answer or mystery for anyone but stupid people. It's there from the start.
Because men are insecure. No one can be better than the leads. No one can be happy without them.
>>283252711Not enough that they succeed, others must fail
>>283252510It doesn't have to be this way, they just need more things to do after they get together and they need to avoid becoming insufferable, if they become boring or annoying, then it's truly over.
>>283252510This is why shipping and the romance genre in general are fodder.Either the author plays a endless will they won't game of conflict. Or he ands dangerous ntr and lethal cuckshit to keep the romantic plot tension high at the expense of the characters.A story needs tension to survive otherwise it's boring mudnaity. And romance always has a limited amount of potential tension and an expiration date on that tension.By comparison the mystery and action can be milked near infinintly.
>>283254383Slice of life doesn't need conflict. So just make slice of life romance.
>>283252373Because Jiji has no place in the story besides being the pointless love rival and being OP. Tatsu could focus on cool stuff he does like being an actual friend for Okarun, but no, the shit drama everyone dislikes is more important
>>283252373Because getting rejected by the main leads is supposed to be their bad karma. Jiji bullied Momo, Aira talked shit about Okarun behind his back and started slut rumors on Momo. If Jiji and Aira got together and were a happy couple from the start where would their character growth come from?
>>283255272The main leads do just fine without being shit on though. It seems to me that the story only wants to pander to ugly nerd outcasts and reassure them of their insecurities by making a big display of eviscerating the popular people they're jealous of. They don't feel confident in themselves otherwise, and they aren't actually able to see others as friends or equals at all.Every time when they're faced with a character more attractive than them, they feel insecure so that person has to be a villain and made to suffer so they feel like they have value.>>283254383The genre is about "justice" and revenge. That's what the nerds who write and read this shit want
>>283255405And if they were a happy couple from the start, that would imply they're equal human beings to the self insert main couple and fuel insecurity. And that can't be the case. There has to be a hierarchy, a King and a Queen dominating the people that these outcasts are jealous of.
>>283255427That permanent mark of shame has to be there, so they're always scarred diminished as people and the audience still acknowledges the self insert as the peak and the most valuable.
Because a lot of Dadadan readers are self insert who wouldn't like see Jiji as a romantic lead, even without someone else than Momo. Aira and Jiji are simply used to prop Okarun : he got a hot chick obsessed with him since the beginning and also wins against chad Jiji since Momo prefered him.
>>283255272>Because getting rejected by the main leads is supposed to be their bad karmaI like this perspective. Jiji always gets away with shit decision because there's someone else shouldering the weight for him. Momo's rejection being a real consequential reality check for him would work really well. The issue is this shit being stretched too far. Aira at least is fun and
>>283252510Only because most authors are too shit to write compellingly about relationships. The "will they won't they" is the fucking worst part of romance stories, you want to see them actually be together.
>>283255438That's the point. If Jiji and Aira just existed as a people and weren't shit on and demonized and humiliated, then all of the nerd self inserters would still get jealousYou can never have a character who's extroverted or attractive or popular portrayed as a moral or valuable person.
>>283254383Or you just write a goddamn relationship, where the characters are together but other things keep happening in the story. What the fuck is so alien about this as a concept that you as a reader so readily accept the will they won't they-slop most authors put out?
>>283255480It's a total horseshit perspective. You act like this isn't a recurring trope.
>>283255533Because these types don't value relationships or friendships at all. It's about conquest and domination. Reassuring them that they're good enough. No not even that, it's about reassuring them that they're the BEST and everyone else is subhuman.
>>283255534I'm not really sure about what you are trying to say anon. Jiji not really facing the consequences of his actions because of always somehow being there to clean up after him is a recurring even, yes
>>283252373Look at that thick, strong neck.I bet he could take 3 dicks in there at once.
>>283255533It's kinda mind blowing that Undead Unluck managed to have a bunch of love stories and still kept being interesting. If a relatively unpopular series managed to do it I don't see why others could not
>>283255589I'm saying him being villainized and shit on to begin with is pandering to vengeful jealous people. You cannot have a character like Jiji who is portrayed as an equal to a main character like Okarun or is portrayed as competent or moral in the same way. The audience has to be reassured that all of the rival members of the same sex are lesser and bad and worth less.
>>283255480>Momo's rejection being a real consequential reality check for him would work really well.If Momo rejects Jiji it won’t even have that much impact desu.. Jiji rarely makes attempts to try to seduce Momo, he’s maybe tried like 3 times in 214+ chapters, he doesn’t chase Momo nearly as frequent as Aira chases Okarun. I know the author will try to sell it as a huge deal when his rejection happens but it doesn’t work when you actually read the manga. So far the narrative shows us that Jiji doesn’t care on the same level as Okarun on trying to win Momo.
>>283255516And the readers looove it. The "i'm childhoold friend so i win" line was so blatant with humliating Jiji and self insert still gloat about that quote. The irony is that if tatsu was giving to his other characters legit focus, without being related to Momokarun, it would still help with their relationship. Like we're in ch 200 something, Okarun has regressed, there's still no confession and most of characters are undervelopped af despite the lenght of the manga.
>>283255612Undead Unluck is underrated and 10 years from now people will pretend they were fans from the beginning.
>>283255629>And the readers looove it. I wonder if they'll ever be aware of the blatant pandering. Or maybe they're just willfully ignorant because it fulfills their angry little power fantasies
>>283255619Exactly. Jiji is the one who makes the most mistakes in canon - there was a scene where he was ready to jump on Zuma until Okarun came to the rescue. Meanwhile Okarun has zero flaws, he never drags the plot even when he's powerless. His only fault is being spineless which is something lot of readers can related to do they always make excuse for him.
>>283255681Men can't handle another man being portrayed in a positive light
>>283255650They are aware but pretend it's just "tatsu subverting the tropes" which is laughable. Using a chad male character to prop the weaks mc is something often used in romantic arcs.
>>283255681>until Okarun came to the rescue?? Okarun didn’t do shit
>>283255741Didn't he stop aira and Jiji from attacking Zuma when he came at their school while Momo was tiny ?
>>283255758No. He stood and did nothing. Tiny Momo turned off Aira and Zumas yokai forms and Vamola in her Kaiju suit blocked Jiji from Zuma.
>>283255619Are you talking about the same Jiji that gets constantly called a genius (I think it reached a point where it was called that every chapter) and that everyone in universe loves and admires
>>283252510This show has no reason to be about romance though
>>283255516>You can never have a character who's extroverted or attractive or popular portrayed as a moral or valuable person.I hate that you're right. This kind of immaturity perpetuates and instead of being inspired by positive examples, people just cling to and celebrate their own worst traits.
>>283255629>Like we're in ch 200 something, Okarun has regressed, there's still no confession and most of characters are undervelopped af despite the lenght of the manga.Didn't they get amnesia or some shit now, resetting their relationship status AGAIN?
>>283255648Yep. It's one of the few recent battle shonen I fully enjoyed reading
>>283255842Yup, tastu his stalling again and readers still glazing him.Int he recent chapter, Okarun couldn't even talked to Momo and avoided her for a whole chapter, even tho he already confessed to her a while ago.
>>283255778>and that everyone in universe loves and admiresJiji, Zuma and Kinta have no females in the cast interested in them. All the girls want Okarun.
>>283255881Next up on melodramatic romance plots is the time travel arc where they go to a possible future where she's happily married to someone else. Okarun sees how perfect everything is and thinks to himself NYOOO I CAN'T INTERFERE WITH SUCH A HAPPY FUTURE AHHHHH!
>>283256016I could definitely see it happening lmao. Wasn't the +100 chapters about him growing some balls ? I know i'm in the minority but I'm not enjoying okarun right now or Momokarun and I want side characters to have more focus ....Zuma and the alien girl had fun little interactions
>>283256091Same I don't hate the series, I enjoy parts of it but it's because of that the flaws are annoying. If I hated it I'd just drop it completely. I want it to be better.
>>283255982"Love and admires" that's when you see they're self projecting so hard lmao....tatsu made a point to have zero girls romantically interested in Okarun rivals. Even Momo's friend who sometimes laughed with Jiji also told him that Momo was Okarun's.
>>283256107Same, but seeing characters getting flanderized is disappointing. It's a shame because tatsu introduced many interesting characters but stopped developping them after he used their sad backstories to move the main plot.
>>283252373Aira the best
>>283252373stop watching self-insert NPD cope slop
>>283252373
>>283255681Okarun's flaw Is indecisiveness.
Bow down to Okarun
Kiss Momo
They're side characters, so their story needs to serve the story of the main characters. If they had their own romance that didn't impact Momo and Okarun, they'd be a waste of screentime
>>283255513>you want to see them actually be together.No, you don't. There's a reason fiction focuses on the most interesting parts of relationships. As soon as the couple gets together, the audience loses interest, and the author has no idea how to keep it interesting. The work that it takes to maintain relationships isn't interesting to read about.
>>283255533>Or you just write a goddamn relationship, where the characters are together but other things keep happening in the story.Then what the fuck do you do with the characters? At that point, just make them platonic friends. That's a relationship that doesn't need to "built up", you can just have them start the story as friends and stay friends, no need for an "arc".
>>283254438Even slice of life stories have conflict. Literally no story can exist without conflict.
>>283255405When a person is an outcast, yeah, no shit they start hating everyone else
