I don't think I've ever seen a more pseudo-intellectual anime that has tricked so many people into thinking it's some type of artistic masterpiece. Overrated normie shit, people who don't watch anime flock to this shit. Babby's first wannabe iyashikei except with a shitty magic system, shit fights, and can't stop itself from jerking off how cool Frieren is.Anyone who tries to claim otherwise is fucking coping, it's #1 on MAL for a reason and it's not because it, FMAB, AoT and Gintama are the best anime ever made. It's just iyashikei for those too retarded to be able to enjoy an actual iyashikei without cool fights to act as jingling keys. The themes aren't explored in any sort of actual depth in favor of doing some shitty action Shounen shit with its retarded magic system. Fucking Edomae Elf released the same year before Frieren had the same fucking concept and tied it's themes into otaku coping mechanisms and did significantly more in exploring the ideas Frieren introduces in half the runtime. But of course people won't watch that because it's not immediately appealing to fucking normies like Frieren is, because its babby's first.I can't believe how many people this show successfully hoodwinked into thinking it was deep and mature. Are people just getting more and more retarded nowadays?
Stopped reading at FMAB. You lost, and got raped.
>>283261472>inb4 funny faces are le bad
>>283261222I want to sex the elf
>>283261222Demographics, anon, demographics.Who does this show appeal to? Its already been said a million times: women, zoomers, queers., brown people and any possible combination between those groups.
>>283261625Right wing extremists actually.
>>283261643It's been a good couple years for us
>>28326162532 year old straight white man here. I watched it and enjoyed it more than any other show listed by OP. I think you're being disingenuous by trying to tack on a bunch of negative labels. >I...it's for women... and gays.. and zoomers... and browns...Japan loved Frieren. Unpopular manga don't get over 100 chapters. No amount of your seething will change that.
>>283261222OP. You don't like Frieren because you're autistic and the genuine interactions between characters made you uncomfortable.
>>283261222You need to be at least 18 years old to post here
>>283261222Yeah yeah whatever bitch shut the fuck up.
>>283261222>this is bad and i won't explain why, i will only give very broad and generic criticisms with 0 substance behind me words.
>>283261773No, I dislike it because the story and worldbuilding makes zero sense. The entire idea a species evolved to be able to replicate advanced speech to a point it can take part in treaties talks but is too fucking retarded to understand basic context clues to figure out what a dad is to be able to convey that to another demon despite their reproduction requiring the same fucking thing just screams of a writer trying way too fucking hard to be clever, especially when they feel the need to have these characters say it out loud in earshot of human characters who are just presumably too fucking retarded to listen.
>>283261222>I don't thinkYou didn't need to make a whole that to tell is this, retard-kun.
>>283261821Weird. You should be able to relate to demons because you're basically both autists. I guess the demons needed to have a tantrum here and there for you to actually relate.
>>283261772You enjoyed it, thats fine, my wife also loved this show. Im just saying, our race is the least prioritized target demographic because we are less susceptible to FOTM media like Frieren. This is the first time that I ever posted in a Frieren thread since it released, while others have been doing it for 16 hours every single day, and guess who they are, and guess what do they think about this show? Exactly.
>>283261816>Story is about being old, without actually being old because the main character has to be a quirky girl for the weebs to watch it >The demons constantly contradict themselves in their writing. They don't understand human emotions, and yet their entire modus operandi is manipulating people's emotions? They don't have emotions and yet Lugner got mad about Frieren hiding her mana and Aura cried when Frieren forced her to kill herself? They don't have morals, and yet they think hiding your mana is wrong and they think other demons dying is wrong? They're smart enough to engage in political conversations with other races and yet they don't know what a father is?>18th century world with 20th century cuisine and food This is just barely scratching the surface by the way.
>>283261857You're replying to a guy who constantly makes threads about how the demons are nonsensically written and pretends he doesn't know what you're talking about when you confront him over it.
>>283261857Part of the entire problem with the series' characterization of demons is that being a sociopath (which demons essentially are) doesn't necessarily make someone murderously evil. Just because demons don't experience love or empathy themselves doesn't mean they're incapable of observing that humans dislike it when you kill people, or realizing that murder will turn humans against them, or even deciding for themselves that murder is wrong on an intellectual level even if they have no gut aversion to it.The series tells us that demons are just monsters and animals, but animals (and other monsters) don't behave like that. It says that demons lack empathy, but their characterization is more like demons have the Evil Gene and are cursed by an evil deity such that their reasoning and understanding of the world inevitably misleads them into evil, even when they are trying to avoid it, and even when it's completely self-destructive and self-defeating for their goals.
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>>283261625I like how racist Frieren and Fern are, specifically. Serie is also a pretty great racist.
>>283262190They aren't actually racist. It's safe racism like goblin slayer. Not racism as a fault or racism from some kind of character development.
>>283261222You never seen Neon Genesis Evangelion?
>>283261222Normie anime about a hag loli that links the word mimic to arousal. I have seen worse...
>>283261222It still exposes certain people simply by telling you that some use words like magic spells.
>>283261222lets not ignore the repulsive character designs>round and unexpressive faces
>>283261222>pseudo-intellectualthere's nothing netiher pseudo nor intelectual about it. it's literally chick doing sidequests, that's it. you got filtered by your own delusions of grandeur
>>283262398It almost comes across as the manga artist and writer being embarrassed by more cartoony or exaggerated facial expressions and removing any trace of them from the story for the sake of looking "mature" and "deep" but in doing that; he made all the characters unexpressive and ugly.
>>283261222Le autistic elf is literally me
>>283262731>chick doing sidequestsReductionist opinions like this make me think the poster moves the goalpost at a daily basis.Not even the most negative critiques are this dismissive.
>>283261773>genuine interactions between charactersThere are no genuine interactions in Frieren
>>283261222it's a native isekai what did you expect?
>>283262917Something decent at least?
>>283261222Ok. But just look how cute she is.
>>283261773An autistic person could identify with their flat robotic interactions far more than a normal person
>>283263567>>283261857>>283261773This is hilariously ironic considering that literally every character in Frieren is flat and robotic with neutral facial expressions. Not just the demons. Everyone.
>>283262243So you're saying if you hate a race for their observable widespread pattern of behavior then it doesn't count as racism...
>>283263715No. Demons in frieren might as well be animals. They're not capable of being anything but evil. It's just not the same.
>>283261773Lmao, obvious this was going to strike a nerve100% correct though, highly autistic people are never going to enjoy watching a show about the power of genuine human connections
>>283263852>Autistic people don't like badly written shows Ftfy.
>>283263579Slay queen
I like the part where she got tricked by the mimic
>>283261222Eh, it had a pretty good first episode, you have to give it that, and nowadays all you need to be the GOAT is to have a good first episode, but everything after the first episode is pretty much generic isekai tier yeah, no one is going to argue the contrary.
>>283261773>you're autistic and the genuine interactions between characters made you uncomfortable.>the genuine interactions>:|>:|>:|
>>283264331>no one is going to argue the contraryI will, it's not an isekai. No one's transported to another world. It's a shonen.
>>283262857i'm not negative about it. i really like frieren, i enjoy both anime and manga.i just don't make it out to be something that it isn't
I only watch anime that are at least 10 years old
>>283264374Bro it's just really deep you have to infer their emotions from uuuuuuh the context
>>283264374not true, fern is famous for her iconic pout
This board is so fucking tedious.
>>283264507>i just don't make it out to be something that it isn'tMe neither.
>>283264505This bro can't even into reading comprehension.
>>283264331>>283264505>>283264752some smug fucker was giggling to himself like a schoolgirl, sitting at his computer in his underwear with gyno breasts hanging free, as he typed out the words """native isekai""" on 4chan /a/ an untold amount of years ago never knowing or remotely comprehending the effect he would have on the entire course of fantasy anime discourse going forward
>>283264752You can't into basic categorization.
My race?White hispanic.My political affiliation? Anarcho-natsoc.My favorite musical genre? Classical jazz.My sex? She-male.My favorite anime genre? Native isekai (Frieren, Lord of the Rings).
>>283261472FPBP
>>283261472People hating on frieren but loving fmab (or vise versa) are genuinely retarded. Both are fairly similar thematically and stylistically
>>283265436Except FMAB is good and Frieren isn't.
>>283261222it's not intellectual or tries to be at all?
Imagine not enjoying Frieren.
>>283261222>I don't think I've ever seen a more pseudo-intellectual animeIsn't it more the actual fans and social media posters that want to inflate the show's merit because they like it and at the same time want to pose as people that watch "deep TV shows" (sic)?
>>283264884that's a very colorful projection there, gynobreast anon kun
>>283265747>it's not intellectual or tries to be at all?Yeah until it's the most deep, sophisticated, complex anime of the last 2 decades, right?Again, you people are moving the goalpost and you think no one will notice that.
>>283261773>genuine human interactions>in a series where the interactions are so artificial and unbelievable that it's a fucking injoke
>>283265960Frieren fans just recently tried to do the same thing by pretending that the comparisons of demons to minorities was something that it's critics came up with and not something that was CONSTANTLY joked about by its own fans when the series was airing.
Shingeki (normie muv-luvA) is not one of the best anime ever made. Also mal is trash and full of mass votes (snk the most mass voted)
>>283261222I liked it. But more importantly i didn't dislike almost anything about it. I think it's got something to do with the lack of over dramatization. I find the usual melodramatic shit and overly expressed emotions very very uncanny. I'm not some faceblind lvl 63 autist who needs every emotion signaled using all measures possible.
>>283266088There are different subsets and factions of the fandom. You have twitter normalfaggots and trannies and shit who disavow that whole narrative then you have the long term anime fans and /pol/ anime types who have a laugh about that parallel or genuinely believe it and you have the edgy twitter jokesters who just make light of it ironically while still being heckin' BIPOC allies and etc. etc.
>>283261222I will say, both for the manga and the anime, the priest joining the party was the part where I started to fall off, but then he leaves and I was back onboard through the Macht arc.Honestly, around the twelfth time a character unloads their tragic backstory, you start to sigh and go "okay let's get a move on, teach us the meaning of friendship and moving on or whatever."Mostly I'm just in it to see Stark and Fern do cute things.
>>283261472>Thread about any other anime>FMAB mentioned Rent free
>>283265960>makes up his own scenario to get upset bykek
>>283261222Why do you people hold anime to the same standard as high art? At the end of the day, it’s just a cartoon made for Japanese teens and young adults. Honestly, being able to enjoy something despite its flaws probably makes you smarter than the miserable critics who can’t stop watching things they claim to hate.
>>283266521>Mostly I'm just in it to see Stark and Fern do cute things.Thankfully there's not that much of that or I would have dropped it.
>>283265025fippybippy
>>283266605To be fair its hard to avoid this anime because everyone is talking about it. Even if he doesnt watch it he will still see it everywhere. Hype kills.
>>283266624it's because it's so spaced out that it worksjust a little crumb of "just fuck already" here and there
>>283261222>pseudo-intellectualoh my god shut the fuck up already, YOU DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS WORD MEANS
>>283261222My moeslop shonen waifu is very deep and complex, you just don't get it bc your iq isn't high enough
>>283266710Meh. That's the least interesting part of the series for me. if I wanted some romance between two stupid kids I'd watch any of the other 500 animes on the topic.
>>283263549Are you saying cute makes right?
>>283261222>pseudo-intellectual anime that has tricked so many people into thinking it's some type of artistic masterpiece.In this department, Evangelion MOGS Frieren so brvtally there's no competition at all. Frieren is for baby hipsters.
>>283266715NTA, what's it meanSeems like people call you that if you use big words or say something they don't agree with
>>283266841Stupid person who tries to seem like an intellectual but isn't.
>>283266809Isn't that how it always goes?An autistic murder psycho as a protagonist would be a hard pill to swallow, but turn her into a cute, quirky elf girl and it works like a charm.
>>283261222>I've ever seen a more pseudo-intellectualFrieren is nothing of the sort, it never tries to be intellectual. It's effectively just a slice of life fantasy story with pretty animation. You're upset at something that you've hallucinated.>the themesDude, speak of the pseudo-intellectual. Pick your fucking narrative you retard. How can it be "pseudo-intellectual" and "not explore its themes"? Is it a shounen shit or not? Retard, pick one. An entertainment product is just meant to be entertainment, not muh themes muh message you annoying fartsniffer.
>>283266858>An autistic murder psycho as a protagonist would be a hard pill to swallowliterally everyone loves Goblin Slayer
>>283266872The series constantly tries to show or allude to depth and then does nothing with it.
>>283266858>An autistic murder psycho as a protagonistbut elfen lied was kino
>>283266922its just an elf doing shit you are making things up in your head again
>>283266872>Frieren is nothing of the sort, it never tries to be intellectual. It's effectively just a slice of life fantasy story with pretty animation. You're upset at something that you've hallucinated.Except for when it's convenient to call it the most complex and in depth anime over the last 20 years? Yeah. Sure. This anime constantly tries to make itself seem smarter and deeper than it actually is. One of the biggest examples of this is the explanation of some kind of biological determinism for the demons which makes zero sense. The series shoots itself it in the foot constantly with this kind of pseudo-intellectual nonsense.
>>283266891no they don'tgoblin slayer is nowhere close to as popular as frieren
>>283267048Goblin Slayer the character not the show/manga
>>283266891Goblin slayer couldn't commit to its tone and now it's shit
>>283267080it applies to both things though
>>283261222Sounds like you are the one coping hard though... also you don´t seem to understand what pseudo intellectual means.
>>283266841The word carries a nuance of insincerity, pretending to be smart. I'm sick of faggots conjuring up in their heads that the thing they're criticizing is intentionally claiming to be very intellectual when that is not the case. I want that imbecile OP to show me a single page in the manga where the author is trying to portray some incredibly deep themes that are totally out of his depth
>>283266530Fmab was mentioned in the OP you Illiterate nigger
>>283263579AI would've done a better job
>>283267235These days you will always find people going:>"The details don't matter, it's actually well written."When they could just say they like it while it has flaws, but people these days project too much into things they like, and if said thing isn't perfect they flip the shit out at anyone pointing those out.
>>283266788T.Frierentard
>>283261222is a simple Battle Shounen, nothing more nothing less
>>283267918Except when it does try to be more than that.
>>283263817Anon, you are right, but that has not stopped the terminally online from sperging out about this show.I doubt most people even considered this show "racist" until they got called racist for enjoying it.
>>283268985Nobody is racist in this show. Is only /pol/ retarded failed normalfaggots screeching at the wind. Instead is more garbage because Frieren is a mary sue to the same level as Rey from star wars. AND a self- insert to trannies and landwhale whores from /cgl/
>>283264884I hate that term but I have to use it cause it's such a real thing and there's no other sufficiently insulting name for it
In my country there is an anime channel and one of the ads they show a bunch of battle shonen anime. So JJK is in it and One Piece and Naruto and MHA etc. And in one of clips Frieren is also in it in that exam arc. That's what Frieren is considered, nothing other than a Naruto type level show.
>>283266841Basically think of a stereotypical redditor commenting on any social or political issue
>>283269129Your post is nonsensical.Anyway, there are enough terminally online people who think it's racist that publications are literally running defense for it.https://www.cbr.com/frieren-demons-problematic-controversy/
>>283266960It literally talks about god and the afterlife and finding meaning in existence in a bunch of scenes stop being a retard
>>283269241Really cbr is the sale level as polygon and kotaku. Laughingstock of the Internet. This really talks louder about the redditards and frierentards that watch this shonenslop garbage.
>>283269425in English, Manuel
>>283269241>posting list-icle, SEO slop unironically in MMXXV
>>283261222It feels Ai generated, right? Like someone typed in a prompt to make an isekai story, but forgot to tell the LLM to add world building and give the characters emotion.
Why is 90% of the seething about this show around here just boil down to "its not a masterpiece fuck you all stop calling it a masterpiece!!!1"? Nobody here ever calls it a masterpiece. Its just a show they enjoy because they like the mc and/or other characters and at minimum has undeniably good art, direction and music. The guy who keeps crying about it seems more angry at the MAL rating (who cares) or youtube essayists (who cares). Just say you think its fine but overrated and move on with your life. You dont have to try and give your melty more weight by bringing up nothing criticisms like pseudo-intellectualism.
>>283270068owned that shitlib
It's literally a soul vs no-soul arguement.I hated it = I have no soul or I'm not old enough to have oneI loved it = I have a soul or I'm at least empatheticThat's it, there's nothing else to it.
>>283270235Point to the part of the body where the soul resides.
>>283270272>Point to the part of the body where the soul resides.
>>283270290>no argumentHah...my sharp wit has taken another life.
>>283270068You either understand the point in the first episode and see how it ripples out to everything else, or you think nothing happened and it's boring.The latter people then can't reconcile why a "boring" show is so beloved, and the dissonance upsets them.
Frieren loses all credibility in that chuunin exam arc
Im glad read and enjoyed it before malnigs shit up every single thread
>>283270362only for 3/4ths of the first test, which was just a misstep. every great series has plenty of missteps.
>>283270068It's fine but overrated.......and also pseudointellectual
>>283270654I mean that's also true of the other high rated stuff like FMAB and Steins;Gate. It's not exclusive to Frieren.
>>283261222It's a good anime if it's your first Native isekai.
>>283270290You've gotta admit that line kinda goes hard. It just needs a better context to be said in, and a talented voice actor
>>283271675it doesn't, because it's just assuming entities with souls have some invisible generic "core" that the soul gets stuffed into, and then we power up. Instead of the much more likely answer of, something that metaphysical not being locked to a single dimension or plane.
>>283261222Shut the fuck up. Frieren is not pseudo intellectual at all. It´s liked because it gives the audience exactly what they want instead of subversion bullshit. Classic fantasy. Elves and humans good, demons bad. It has great slow burn pacing and simple art design, which is also great. It´s only innovative feature, if you want to call it that, is that it also covers all the slow every day life moments of the journey like clearing a road or taking sidequests for money to cover the travel expenses. The characters are also likeable unlike shit isekai main characters like Rudeus from jobless, Subaru from Re Zero or Naofumi from shield hero. We are back to the basics, the hero is a good guy that´s into elves. It´s so fucking refreshing it feels unreal but if you want to blame someone for that blame the rest of the industry for having shit standards. Furthermore Frieren is pretty easy to watch and rewatch because the drama is pretty light and uneventful, yes the character is going through a mourning period but that´s about it. It´s not like say Fumetsu no anata e, that goes ahead killing everyone the MC meets. That one addresses immortality deeply but it´s just too intense to comfortably rewatch. Not that that´s a bad thing though.So, are there better anime than Frieren? Absolutely, even on it´s own genre but Frieren is a great addition and i welcome it´s popularity even if it´s not the best of them all. Why? because Frieren being popular is helping real fantasy make a comeback. It shows that there is still interest on more than isekai and that will help other fantasy shows to get greelit or renewed.
>>283271838Prove it exists without resorting to food analogies or comparisons to Japanese cartoons.
>>283271975>provide tangibility of something intangibleI know you want to be really smart, and a good first step to achieving this is thinking critically about the things you say.
>>283272254Ok, now THIS is pseudo-intellectual. Congrats on bringing this thread full circle.
>>283270068>calls it a masterpieceYou sure you can move that goalpost on your own, lil fella?
I liked the show, however what I don't like is the pseudo-intellectuals who claim the early episodes were the high point, and then all the action scenes and tournament arc fights afterwards is the "plebeian shit".Fuck right off, it was (slightly) boring and then it became very fun with fantastic action.
>>283265776> Frieren masterpieceYou are a retard
