What was the most soulful arc?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=wWBp-nlGX1o&pp=ygUVYnkgbXlzZWxmIGxpbmtpbiBwYXJr
He's very cool.
>>283262530The Black Star Dragon Ball arc.
>>283262530I'm from the futureThe Cooler Corps Super arc was kino
>>283262530
>>283262530Majin A21 saga
DB remake but Gine goes to earth with Goku.
>>283262530Frieza Arc
>>283263050Nasty.
>>283262980This.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=X6Waaj4Pp_E&pp=ygUOS2FueWUgeCB3aWNrZWTSBwkJBgoBhyohjO8%3D
>>283262980Wattpad tier shart
>>283262530Time Patrol Arc (2027)
>>283263261I wish Toei would have just adapted the canon material from Dragon Ball Online... It's a part of sensei's legacy that is lost.
>>283263258...on opposite day
>>283262530Eh, the conflict and conclusion felt kinda rushed and Goku getting a new powerup just like that felt a bit asspull-esqueThen again writing was never toriyamas strong point
>>283263379Would you consider the Demon King arc and 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai arc be considered as a whole as the "Pikkolo saga"?
>>283263462Fuaark I fucked up that sentence.Anyway I think it's the entertaining Saga if it counts as one. It's really fast and fun.
>>283263591>I think it's the entertaining SagaFUAAAARK I'll go to sleep.
>>283263273Imagine Pan’s son or Goten’s son?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCm3TXrwT1k
>>283262733>filler character Olibu, who is meant to be slightly less strong then Pikkon - who in turn one shot Cell - is defeated in one shot by YamchaToei filler post-Cell was a disaster, it bled too much into the actual story.
>>283263328...and on normal days too.
>>283262530>Fuuureeezaah!
Remake OGDB, but it must use Super's animation quality and include Beerus and Whis in every arc.
>>283263979Enough. Super GT 2 should be about kid Goku adventuring with Gine and also Raditz is brought back to life and gets stranded in U6 but finds Caulifla and they fall in love. Also it's time to make Vidro canon for Yamcha. Not to mention some Bulla Goten romance.
>>283262530You posted it.>Yajirobe was a beast>Tenshinhan squaring himself as a true rival to Goku>Daimao evening the odds with his spawn
>>283264299No
>>283262530>What was the most soulful arc?21st tournament.
>>283262530The firdt arc, i dont hate the more shonen battle spectacle in later arcs but bulma and goku traveling and camping was the peak of the franchise, shame we never go back to that.
>>283264654
>>283264825*The first arc
>>283264761What did Uub’s mom ever do to you?
>>283264299This sounds absolutely terrible
>>283264825>shame we never go back to that.We did go back to that! Daima and GT!Too bad the adobencia was shit in the original manga
>>283264878...on opposite day
>>283264922...in bizarro world.
>>283262980An example blood omen/legacy of kain narrative for DB video games about Son Gine.
>>283264825The adventureshit only worked when the characters were still weak and couldn’t fly on their own without the aid of technology or a magical cloud.
>>283264870Uub was a mistake.
>>283263950>SS1 Vegeta >>> SS3 Gotenks>SS1 Goku >>> Ultimate Gohan
>>283265400Saiyans Princess seem okay tho
>>283265400>CRYBABYan vs CHADten RESOLUTE
>>283264299Brolybro btw
No Fap day 0.
>>283265400>they didn’t show Videl’s deathKEKAROO!
>>283265858nofap day 32
>>283265604 >:(
>>283265400DBM’s art barely resembles Dragon Ball.
>>283265964it's what dragon ball should have been
>>283265964Evolution barely resembles Dragon Ball itself
Your hero is terrified of mice
>>283265858>https://files.catbox.moe/v3rzur.mp4Aaannnd, my No fap streak is broken.
>>283265400What if Pan was Majin Buu or Fasha incarnation?
>>283266285>house has suddenly become a mansionHousing price now expense…
Could Kid Goku beat King Piccolo if he went Super Saiyan?
How censored is the official release of the manga? This is gorier than 95% of shonen
>>283266419He using the avatar state.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc1vfcT0Efw
>>283266421holy shit, was Toriyama an edgelord or smt
>>283265964That artist has some really clean art but it's wasted on Salagir slop.
>>283265858>>283266315Training under grandmaster Chi-Chihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D-Hu_Y1paQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L7dLTn0teI
>>283266449https://youtube.com/watch?v=NwCX1zS6Qi8&pp=ygUxdGFsayB0byBtZSB0YWxrIHRvIG1lIHRhbGsgdG8gbWUgYmFieSBnb29meSBtb3ZpZdIHCQkGCgGHKiGM7w%3D%3D
We got a decade of Dragon Ball Super manga, It was so KINO guys, I will miss it
>>283266635Yeah, back to reading Fairy Tail again.
>>283266285Toriyama was scared of Goku?
>>283266720Goku was the demon he manifested, like Chris-chan with Sonichu. People don't know but in the one-shot initial concept Goku was a demon.
>>283266664For me, it’s DanDaDan. JijiCHAD btw.
>>283264825Namek is the best adventure arc in the franchise. Toei just ruined it with their dogshit adaptation.
Toriyama wrote Super. Toyo can't do shit on his own let alone write.
>>283266860Toriyama hardly wrote any of it.
>>283263950>Olibu, who is meant to be slightly less strong then Pikkon Olibu was slightly weaker than a sandbagging Pikkon.>who in turn one shot Cell - is defeated in one shot by YamchaSuper Perfect Cell getting one-shotted by Pikkon was unironically more absurd than Yamcha defeating a fellow Earthling.
>>283266860He said he wrote the Moro arc with Toriyama only supervising it in that last interview. If he managed to absolutely RAPE Toei in his first ever attempt then they should let him do it again.
>>283266889Moro is entirely his creation
>>283262530The Daima one.
>>283266664>>283266744For me it's Onimai.BejitaCHAD btw
>>283266898>>283266889If Toyo can write why did he stop?
Toriyama wanted a comeback and needed a scapegoat to take the blame for his terribly writting, enter Toyotaro. This way Toriyama could create his new DB arcs he always wanted to without soiling his name. He dropped the facade completely with Daima.
>>283266860>Toriyama wrote Super.Toyotaro himself stated the Moro arc was his creation, then Toriyama approved it.Toriyama did contribute to the Granolah arc and funnily enough it was worse than the Moro arc.
>>283267014This is my theory bc prior to Super he made Jaco, which is tied to Super.
>>283262530for me it’s the moro arc
>>283267197Why would you post this????
>>283267014>>283267178Honestly, now the terrible artwork and senile writing makes sense.
>>283267014This would make sense if the manga wasn't 10 times better written than whatever he wrote for RoF/Broly/Super Hero/DaimaAnd its mostly because Toriyama literally didn't write any of the fights in these movies/series, he openly stated in an interview that he just writes "and a big fight happens! *raughs*" whenever a fight between characters is supposed to occur in the script because he got burnt from writing fights back in Buu. For obvious reasons this just makes a series about FIGHTING dogshit as the story is fully told outside of the fights and the fights end up just being padding instead of actually being part of the narrative. Which is exactly what happens in ALL of these movies and Daima.
>>283262530Heroes arc
>>283267371The only way we can make sure is if Toyo writes something new... I doubt he will ever write or draw again tho.
>>283267178>Jaco The Galactic PatrolmanDoes it feature in the Super manga?
>>283267515Jaco is a crucial character in Super.
>>283267222Lame excuses for Buu arc 2.0
>>283267222Moro’s form there is so shit that it drags down the entire fucking arc
>>283267602Hmmm.....>Jaco The Galactic PatrolmanDoes it feature in the Super manga?
>>283262530Every single one until Buu even though Super Perfect Cell was stretching patiences thin. I can't stress enough my distaste and dislike for the Buu saga.
KAKAROTTO!
>>283268377https://youtu.be/tum1P5jm_so&t=160
Are jannies done with their #DragonBallMeltdown?
>>283267222Should have stayed the GOAT for the entire arc.
GT is the true finale for the series.SS4 is the strongest transformation.
Grand Taco is shit.
>>283268716True. We respect the Grand Tour in these halls.
CANONma replaced Grand TURD.
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>>283268716100% facts.
>>283262682>Unfortunately for you, our energy lasts forever, and is inexhaustibleimagine the sex
>>283268726No lies detected.
GTacos lost.
>>283262896The whole cell arc was unbelievably hype when i was a kid. I remember the episode where 18 gets absorbed aired on Halloween, so I watched that right before going trick or treating. Set the mood.
>>283268784False.
Grand Tour is peaked
>>283268967>steals its form>erases it from historyKEKAROOOOOOOOOOO!
Cooler Corps movieDaima S2Xenoverse 3OUR FUARKING JANUARY 2026 ANNOUNCEMENTS
>>283268992Yup.
>>283269089>Daipa sequel without ToriyamaLMAO!!
What was the bigger flex between Cooler flying through Gokus kamehameha and goku shattering moros fist with his pecs
>>283269196Jiren not losing a single fight in the tournament of power
>>283268967>>283269051>no characters from the EoZ or afterHmmmmmmm.................
>>283269196Frieza torturing Vegeta after he thought he achieved SSJ
>>283269128It's going to be shit regardless of Toriyama's mortality, as evidenced by virtually all is the Dragon Ball stories in the past decade.
>>283269196I personally really enjoyed Moro getting fucked up.
>>283262530You really can't beat Namek, can you?
>>283265964Agreed but it's still reasonably high quality which is the best they can expect for a free fanmanga this long despite the style being wrong for Dragon Ball. It could be worse, and you're not getting a Fenyo for your shit.
i miss when bulma used to hit the gym
>>283269339Here a cookie!
>>283262530Buu Saga, and it's not even close. It brought the wackiness of the pre-Saiyan Saga material with the fightan of the modern arcs.
What if instead of Super Saiyan, Fusion was used in Namek vs Frieza?
>>283269482Crazy how Toriyama used to draw women buff. Hot too.
>>283268426Why the green dubbed felt like early abridged?
>>283268992Indeed
>>283269718They are younger than the average age of the GT cast btw.
>>283263950>Toei filler post-Cell was a disaster, it bled too much into the actual story.They didn't care about ruining the story, they liked Yamcha that much.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTOXSPuf5sg
>>283269128>Daipa sequel without ToriyamaIt will be filled with blood, gore, and plenty of violence.
>>283269785Toei made a segment with Yamcha and Krillin training on Grand Kai’s planet which was cool.
>>283269844Your skin bruise or something?
>DB characters wear clothing with their name on it, somehow socially acceptable>I wear a sweatshirt with my name on it in big capital letters and everyone makes fun of me foreverhow is this fair?
>>283270051Who wears his name on his clothes in Dragon Ball? I can think of Krillin maybe
>>283270088Very original cope.
>>283270088Later Bulla was made
>>283270115...by Future Trunks breeding his mother while KEKjita watched.
>>283270115…when Goku came over.
>>283270144>>283270145Same person.
>>283270088Meanwhile Goku bathed with his two naked sons in an old oil drum.
>>283270144>>283270145K, b, c.
>>283270144>>283270145>posted at the same exact second
>>283262530The tenkaichi budokais are probably the best parts of DB. Sidenote, is there a reason why tournament arcs were memed as bad? Because in Dragon Ball at least they are phenomenal.
We Must Be Better Saiyans.
>>283269718Their favorite dragon ball characters?
>>283270314GokuGODS would never use the N-word.
>>283270354https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhScFOYNEoMobligatory post
>>283270047I look like this.
>>283270393Piccolo, Bejita, Goku
>>283269579He was high test back in the day.
GokuGamers would use the N-word.
>>283270653Namekku-seijin
>>283269089What if Pan and Panzy spin off written by Togashi-san?
>>283270758zaruyaro
>>283270759We prefer Murata here
>>283270778Anon... he's dead.
>>283270778...in Azerbaijan.
>>283270778...in Donetsk.
>>283269482The reason Toriyama's art is so good is because he was clearly trained in the Western cartooning methods and this is very evident in how good his paneling and character sheets are. The manga is a treat to read even though after Frieza, his interest plummeted and the manga suffered for it. This is what people are missing. As bad as the Western media industries are, their legacy canon is a goldmine to marry with the innate creativity of the Japanese mind which is how the best anime and manga are born. The marrying of East and West (formerly great) produces wonders. This is why I also like Eichiiro Oda. The cartoony style lends an amazing amount of soul to art.
>>283262530Anything before Z which is a desecration of the original Dragon Ball which ended with Goku achieving his dream of winning the Budokai Tenkaichi and maturing into a man and riding off into the sunset with his wife. Ma Junior is his actual rival and nemesis. Tien/Yamcha/Kuririn/Chaotzu are his team and there's no Saiyans or other nonsense. THE END.
>>283262530Saiyan
>>283270354>Sidenote, is there a reason why tournament arcs were memed as bad? Because in Dragon Ball at least they are phenomenal.The issue is that Toriyama understands how to make a fun and cool tournament arc, and zero mangaka other than him know how to make it cool and interesting. Just look at Kengan Omega.Baki's first tournament arc was cool I guess, but it improves massively as soon as you move on from that and get to the part where everyone's just having impromptu brawls on the streets.
>>283271078You're missing the forest for the trees. "Z" is just as important and meaningful as the rest. It's filled with the most Toriyamaesque elements. Dragon Ball is more about being dynamic, creative, cool looking, and full of human spirit but without taking itself *too* seriously. The "Z" part has all of that in many ways. Goku becoming a father is such a huge part that sells his character too. Now it also comes with some flaws and weaker arcs like Cell but overall you can't just ignore that.
>>283271025>>>/co/
>>283271157>Kengan Omega/AshuraI mean this with every fiber of my being when I say that it's one of the absolute worst manga I've ever had the misfortune of wasting my time on. The writing and art are repulsive. The person writing it has no idea about ANYTHING in real life and is pathetically aping Baki which is already a (mostly) crap manga. Crap plus crap equals steaming crap. Fucking awful. Baki's tournament arcs are good for sure and its early parts are great but once Itagaki wasted the death row convincts, I checked out.
>>283271025Is Toriyama really good *because* he incorporated Western influences? I can see why those did improve his art, sure, but I wouldn't say this is the main reason. I think being a comedy artist first was more important for his paneling and general sense of design. And of course Toriyama was just a genius in other ways.>>283271241>>283271157Ashura's KAT was pretty damn good. The weaker part was the takeover but it was solved relatively fast and didn't overstay its welcome. We had some of the best subversions too. Omega is another story...
>>283271216No, I'll pass. Maybe you should give it a peek, though?>>283271213I massively disagree. I can't help but feel Toriyama's passion for the manga flatlined after Ma Junior and the rest of it was just editors wrangling him along. His art up until Cell was still excelent but that doesn't mean his heart was in it. He was a master and made it seem easy. But I sense that all humanity was zapped out of the series once Z started. The disappearance of Lunch is but the most obvious manifestation of this.
>>283271269Yes, those influences clearly shaped how he thinks about art, story and everything. Though FotNS's influence is apparent in Z, the influence of American comics is doubly more apparent as the cosmic power scaling and escalating stakes along with the power-ups and transformations came from American comics of the 1980's. The influence of other Western works such as Terminator, Rambo are as fundamental as Journey to the West. It's why DB is the biggest anime ever.
>>283263950The human characters ALWAYS catch up to the previous arc. They caught up to pre-Kami training Goku before he fought Piccolo Jr (but Goku had surpassed them by training with Kami), then they went to train with Kami and surpassed Raditz's arrival Goku (but Goku was ahead of them due to his training with King Kai), then they trained in otherworld and surpassed the Vegeta/Nappa arrival Goku (but Goku had trained in space with gravity, so they were still behind), etc. The fans just randomly decided humans weren't able to keep up in their headcanons for some reason. Even Tenshinhan is display more power against Super Buu than Super Saiyan 2 Bejita did against Fat Buu (he had caught up with Goku/Gohan from the Cell Saga, but was left behind because Goku trained in otherworld).
>>283271288Characters going in and out of the picture is par for the course in Dragon Ball. Things just move and change fast in this. People just go "hey, let's meet in 3 years" kind of out of nowhere, so I don't think Lunch disappearing really highlights anything.If you look at the content and thoroughness of these arcs up to the end of Namek, I struggle to see any evidence of Toriyama losing his passion. The way he tied everything together (not just Saiyans into Namek, but also the Piccolo stuff into it) while adding a lot of world building (Kaio, Enma, space stuff, new visuals and races...) is just too intricate. He took bold choices like giving Goku a son and starting to focus more on side characters since the arcs would have Goku come in later rather star him for most of the screentime.
>>283271387And of course the art. He delivered some of his best pieces in the Saiyans arc, closely followed by the Namek one.
>>283262530King Piccolo saga is no doubt where Dragon Ball peaked. It starts super strong with the death of Kuririn when that still meant something, it follows with the utter defeat of Goku at the hands of a henchmen (Tamburin), it then goes even harder and kills both muten Roshi and Shenron and it culminates in one of the best fights when they still cared to actually draw the characters movements instead of just making everything too fast for the human eye. And it has a fantastic epilogue on which god himself invites Goku to train. No power levels nor alien shiet either, just the monkey king against the king of demons. It´s fucking based. I´ll say it again in case you misread it, IT´s FUCKING BASED.
>>283271387I fear that your attachment to Z is making you think things that just aren't true, anon. It's obvious Toriyama kept making it up as he went along, as everybody knows, and like I said, what you're passing off as evidence that he still had his heart in it is actually evidence of the opposite. I still think turning Goku into a fusion of Kenshiro/Superman was where it all went to crap. Also, Gohan is a useless character who was never allowed to take center stage thus making his whole existence redudant as editors would've never allowed him to pull the trigger on Gohan. The space stuff was not seamless and just destroyed canon so idk what you're on about there. There's some good stuff but they're mostly contained to early Z which is just an extension of late-stage DB in some parts before the series mutated into a mindless action manga.
>>283271446100% agreed and then, if that wasn't amazing enough, you have the Ma Junior arc which has the best fight in the series, by far, and wraps everything perfectly. Z and beyond doesn't exist to me. There's only DB and that's that.
>>283271454>It's obvious Toriyama kept making it up as he went alongYes, as he always did. I see no difference here. The fact he connected the dots with Piccolo's backstory is already big for Toriyama, it spells INVOLVEMENT and care>is actually evidence of the oppositeHow?>I still think turning Goku into a fusion of Kenshiro/Superman That's very reductive and off the mark. Goku being sent to Earth as a weak, useless discarded Saiyan opens up strong themes of nature vs nurture, which work very well considering the deliberate contrast between the Saiyans' superior technology/deterministic approach and Earth's magic/mystical ways, martial arts masters and so on.>Gohan is a useless character who was never allowed to take center stage That's clearly wrong. Gohan saved the day multiple times even before the Cell arc. He was a good "new" protagonist if you ask me, especially since he shared the spotlight with other characters like Krillin and Vegeta.>The space stuff was not seamless and just destroyed canon How exactly?>before the series mutated into a mindless action mangaThere's more planning and plot twists put into, say, Saiyans/Namek or even Buu than in the Piccolo Daimao or Taopaipai arc (if you want to count Taopaipai as its own arc). Namek is a very strong game of cat and mouse and easily the most ambitious Dragon Ball arc Toriyama made.
>>283271560I think I can make the concession that he had that DB flavor and vigor well into Namek but beyond that, it's just not true and you can tell by how much his art faltered beyond that. Citing Buu is something I can't get behind. That's easily the worst arc in the series.
TURTLE-SAN
>>283271630I can buy the argument for Cell since the art has deteriorated a bit too much for me to give a pass despite the interesting and refreshing horror/Terminator inspirations. But Buu is way better than Cell in my opinion and the latest storydump has revealed to a lot of anons its qualities. You can tell Toriyama had a lot of fun making it. The writing has lots of qualities and Satan is a very strong addition. Art still lost in details (even more than Cell!) but the sense of scale returned.I feel like the bold writing choices he took for Saiyans and Namek kind of boxed him in too much for the Cell arc and the editorial meddling kind of shot down the story he had in mind (you can tell there was going to be some cat and mouse game like Namek before it turned out to be just a string of fights right after Cell got to 17). But returning to gags helped him a lot.
>>283270354>is there a reason why tournament arcs were memed as bad?I'm not sure what you mean. People love tournaments. You're always hearing praises for the Dark Tournament, Chunin Exams, etc.>>283271157>>283271241Baki is great, Ashura is good, Omega is sludge. It's a shame. It's like the author threw out all his strengths and fully embraced his weaknesses to create Omega.
>>283262914canon
Wow. The first super saiyan transformation fucking sucks in Kai.
>>283262914Leave Bejita alone.
>>283267371>if the manga wasn't 10 times better written than whatever he wrote for RoF/Broly/Super Hero/Daima10 times 0 is still 0.
Happy 89th to Masako Nozawa.
>>283272419I want her voice Bejita‘s mother
>>283272582Vegeta's mother was likely around King Vegeta's age, probably younger, so having her voiced by an old woman would make little sense.
>>283271288Interviews suggest he was heavily invested with Namek and fell out of it once Goku went Super Saiyan and had his cool moment.
>>283272419
>>283269844We love Uub here
>>283272682>fucked schala>fucked zeal>fucked fleamy HERO magus is so fucking lucky....
>>283270796The guy who redraws the One Punch Man manga is dead?
>>283272419Out of respect for her I have not targeted Goku with any jokes on cuckoldry, jobbing, diapers, kissing, 3-0, interracial, retardation, waku waku or any other pro-Bejita agendas for the day.
>>283272905I am going to come clean. I confused Murata with Miura.
>>283272930You doofus
>>283272682>Like my Botan-chanZamn!
What the fuck is this IESLB?
>I WON'T STOP!>I'll chase the clouds from over this world...>Only I can fly high enough!
>>283273286>jobber from an erased timelineKWAB
>>283273340>Ultra Instinct out of nowhere
>>283273286The Genki sword was so cringeToyo did it better
>>283273505>genki dama sword from the 5 people alive that end up erased a few episodes latertoei wasn't thinking well
>>283273533Where's my follow up in Trunks' new future showing how Zamasu's ghost is haunting him because he literally can never completely die.
>Ozotto ended being the Final Boss for Heroes before pulling the plug on the seriesKinda disappointing.
>>283273557>>283272653Sleep tighthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLpOYO-2k7Ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPZHvg5e7hQ
>>283273621Cell suppose have new form in GT
>>283273582Basically tale from borderlands whole plot
>>283273340No one mentioned Jiren
>>283272614Come on. She literally grandma now.
Give me your fanfic ideas for arc setups
>>283266860>Toriyama wrote Super.pfff HAHAHAHA>>283266971He can't. His job was to shit Toriyama stamp aproved fanfiction. If the author isn't there nobody will read his scribles. That simple.
>>283266860>>283273796Ignoring how wrong this I like how you're implying that super is somehow good. Unless you're backhandedly insulting toriyama
>>283273787I've given a bit of what I have a few times. I was in the process of learning to draw but lately I've veen too depressed to draw. It's shit for your mental health to be constantly failing for the few years it takes to draw even remotely well.
>>283273764Mirai Jiren now vanish
>>283273787Okay I'm going to give you my 5 second idea for making Cumber canon.The boys finally head to Universe 6 Sadala.While there, Goten falls madly for a saiyan girl but the A plot is how Vegeta learns that there's an Archive of Saiyan history at X location.Realizing that there may be a similar one in his own universe, Vegeta and Gohan (excited to learn a scholarly side of being a Saiyan) visit U7's Archive which details the destruction of Planet Sadala:>Queen Yamoshi, the first Super Saiyan and her husband King Cumber were ruling Sadala when a group of rebellious Saiyans kidnapped the King.>Using a dark ritual, they forced their Ki inside him until it awakened a dark, impure power that caused him to lash out everything he cared for>The Planet was in peril, and the Saiyans began an exodus from their doomed world.>Even the Queen was no match for him, and Sadala was being ravaged by their bout. >So the Queensguard performed a pure version of the Evil ritual, creating the first Saiyan God to oppose the Evil Cumber.>This allowed her to hold him off long enough for a binding ritual to be performed and have him entombed... within the Archive.And their presence disturbed his slumber, and his weakening binding... and idk where to go from there but Cumber bad.
>>283274182>Queen>YamoshiW*m*n will never be important. Discarded.
>>283274292well yeahshe's dead and lost
You couln't have been born without a woman
>>283262980Queen Hanasia shorten her hair?
>>283272776>having sex with your mother is lucky
>>283274402Gohan...
>>283274402Everyone....
Gohan is so lucky
>>283274446toriyama very likely came up with this shit on the spot as he was talking. its like when he replied two different responses on the two occasions an interviewer asked him what tien's third eye is about
>>283274402Even freaking me…
>>283273787A rewrite/rework for Daima but in a Z style.>Instead of being turned into kids, our heroes are stranded in the Demon world in a depowered state>More vicious and dangerous Demon world>Tamagamis are more powerful and the fights are to the death>Make Glorio and Arinsu more like Mira and Towa>The third eye transforms Gomah into an actual mad monster >Make the SS4 transformation better and give it an explanation that makes more sense with being Demon related or somethingAmong other things.
>>283274494It's less about that and more about me liking what we already have desu. I don't like rewrites of existing stuff.Making Yamoshi a woman is unnecessary.
>>283274568I like the idea of "Ki" not working in the Demon Realm so Goku and the others need to learn how to use magic, and thats how Goku comes up with SSJ4
>>283274626
>>283267014Literally everyhing that's come out in the past 20 years Dragon Ball related was Toei nagging at Toriyama to make something. BoG was Toei's script changed by Toriyama. Super anime was Toei's idea to expand the movie. Super manga is a piece of promotional crap where they put a literal who amateur employed at Shueshia to work on it with "some guidance". This hand picked apprentice bullshit needs to stop someday.
>>283268065Buu Saga was every kid's favorite Dragon Ball Saga. It had Dragon Ball engraved in it even if the art was getting less inspired. So many new fun concepts like Fusion, a more distinct new transformation, possesion, our heroes being absorbed, etc. Mysthical but down to Earth and funny.Cell arc was a shitpost Toriyama made after watching Terminator. It feels out of place with the story. It's like Gantz where Oku got bored and started drawing a Vampire arc midway.Cell apologists always pass the blame on Buu.
Bring me Jiren.
>>283268794You could always tell who was OP's favorite when their character had the "likes" advantage. Cheating pieces of shit!
>>283269404Roshi and Yajirobe should have gone there. Like in the 2nd Cooler movie. The filler would have been more bearable and even kino.
>>283275004They wouldn't really fit. Unless maybe they added some more adventures with Namekians which would extend the arc
>>283269339Wasn't this just a technique where he can "dodge" mindlessly? Why is he infinitely stronger when using it? Like this, it looks like yet another color palette change power-up.
>>283275054Ki control>b-butKi control
>>283262530If I had to name a few>The Pilaf Saga>1st World Tournament Saga>King Piccolo>Piccolo Jr>Everything covered in Z from start to CellThe rest is just pick and choose your favorite moments, but I'll admit that the Universal Survival Arc was actually fun
>>283271025Oda's worldbuilding or whatever may be good but his scribbles can't be compared to Toriyama's work. I failed to see how he was trained in the western methods, though, since he was pretty much self-taught all his life. His real strenght comes from his interest in movies. That's what gave him a sense of composition unparallel when he wasn't making gag scenes.And I'm not just talking about the dynamic camera angles. He incorporated elements from Kung Fu movies that gave weight to the attacks. The body langauge and specially the expressiveness of the face as the characters get hit is taken straight out of a Jackie Chan film.Of course, he had a sense of weight and balance for bodies that seems unnatural, as well. He rarely used references.
>>283270088Here's how you watch Daima:1) Watch episode 12) Watch episodes 17-20
How can Dragon Ball even continue at this point?
>>283269785>>283269823Yamcha was only ever cool in filler. This new age theory of him being ruined in DBZ is really funny. If anything, he was given more spotlight. This bum did literally nothing when the world was ending in the Pikkoro Daimao arc.
>>283275526The person you're replying to also doesn't realize I'm stroking shit. I'm curious as to why someone feels this strongly about this.
>>283275555>remake Kubota has been begging for>go full Toyotarou until he kills the franchise for a second time 3 years later>perpetual nostalgiabait Iyoku anime/movies until he kills the franchise for a second time 5 years laterAnd then a complete reboot a decade or 2 down the line.
>sick with covid>turn on DBZ buu saga>gotenks fighting super buu>circlejerking and passiveness for 20 episodes>"i was merely pretending, im actually very strong">buu sits like a statue for the remainder of the fight>"no i pormise i am very, strong, look at this move">no reponse for another 10 episodes>decide to go to sleep>have nightmare induced fever dream of gotenks holding me frozen in time for eternity as a spectator, while he's doing his roundabout shenanigans until my mind is shattered>wake up in a pool of sweat
>>283275690Enslave Kubota into doing Dragon Ball Super Brotherhood. Done. Franchise is SAVED.
>>283275851If Toyotarou's the creative mind behind it, it will go out in a puff of smoke. Really, no one left with a history in Dragon Ball can do the franchise justice.Maybe we could get the guy who thought up the Bardock special to do something in a best case scenario.
>>283275938You have never read the manga.
>>283262530>soulful Define this buzzword.
>>283268967Christ, shitma's SSJ4 looks like shit. How could ruin what already looked good in the first place?
>>283275027Yeah, but Bulma alone didn't do anything. I'm saying throw them in as well, if only for the filler. Yajirobe is strong enough to cut some Freeza minions I'm sure.
>>283275555Continue the Super anime like literally everyone wants.
>>283276082Makes you go waku waku. Fun, joyful, whimsical, heart gripping. Made with passion.
>>283276082Dragon Ball Super (Manga).
>>283276082Dragon Ball Multiverse
>>283276509Atomic trvke
>>283276509>>283276785
>>283277017>attack toyo tankedDone.
>>283276494>or any Toei original productThe Godvies were made with love
>>283263677For me, it's her.
How come they asked Shenlong to delete everyone's memories of Buu but this piece of shit got away with mass murder and can still walk in public and participate in tournaments like nothing happened?
>>283275960I have. Can we skip the fallacious shitposting for once?
>>283277017>>283277046Toyo received a zenkai boost from that btw
>>283277085>filtered team chadstarI think not
>>283275938Yeah, Bardock special isn't very Dragon Ball but it's probably the best movie/ova/special episode we ever got.
>>283277211Sorry, wrong pic
>>283277560>Not a drop of bloodThey are all unconscious.
>>283262530Namek, especially if I get to include Frieza arc
>>283262530You could see DB already starting to resemble DBZ in the final arcsThe 21st world tournament arc (AKA the first one) will always be the most iconic and soulfulThat was the precise moment DB became one of the most significant and influential manga of all time
>>283266421It's mostly just censored nipples in the early chapters. The gore is still there
>>283273903Moro was amazing. I stand behind what I said.
>>283275828Based GODtenks LITERALLY warping the FUARK out of your mind.
>>283278672retardbro...
I wish I could have a Saiyan gf so bad bros
>>283278736>official Cell fanfiction what is the problem here
>>283278797the nonexistent "amazing" story you're referring to
>>283266747Yeah Toei catching up with Toriyama definitely hurt it in the long run. Still great in spite of the filler. The only truly bad filler was fake Namek, that blew ass.
>>283266421You see Goku's penis so not very censored.
i didn't watch Daima what did I miss?
>>283279041The canon sequel to Z.
>>283279041Tied with Broly for best DB project since the series came back with BoG
>>283269577I think thematically it still works. The whole end is Frieza getting his comeuppance at the hands of a Saiyan. Whether it's the legend of the Super Saiyan becoming real again, the very thing he tried to prevent ever happening. Or two Saiyans, notorious for essentially being solo fighters (and former enemies, or rather still enemies) coming together and working together as one to defeat their races tyrant.
>>283279041Daima introduces a new "canon" version of SS4.Bejita has finally turned SS3, and it looks quite different from all the classic SS3s.There's some...new Majins?Not a lot happens in Daima.
>>283279053No way it retcons Super.>>283279090Damn it really is that good huh...
>>283279161It’s good if you like DB and start of GT. It has the Kid Goku charming adventure thing. A lot of people weren’t so big on it because it wasn’t very close to the Z intense battles end of the spectrum
>>283270393>Jeremy ClarksonFarmer with a shotgun>Richard Hamond Krillin>James MayPan
>>283279156>Daima introduces a new "canon" version of SS4.>'canon' versionSS4 was always canon btw.
>>283262530The Piccolo Daimao arc was ruined in the anime adaptation with too many fillers destroying the pacing.
>>283279297Proof?
>>283279156Seems worth it just for the canon SS4 and SS3 Bejita (only took 30 years btw)>>283279182It's pretty hard to even come close to Z level battles, even SUper and GT struggled with that aspect.
>>283277085>filtered team unfunny starGodjack Unbound.
>>283279161>No way it retcons Super.Okay, and?
>>283279313>Super>casual continuationDragon Ball GT is the continuation of the original Dragon Ball
>>283279161>No way it retcons Super.It really doesn't, even references some of Super's lore. They're probably just going to shove Daima in the timeline and hope you don't notice any inconsistencies. I will be pleasantly surprised if Super is rendered noncanon and Daima is the way forward, obviously this is subjective but Daima doesn't really have any potential moving forward.
>>283279339>and?It's a waste of time to retcon all of the Super, the movies, manga and all of that shit took a decade to build up. Why retcon it?>>283279372Alright that makes more sense, Daima is a midquel then.
>>283279372>>283279424>Super is latest iteration of the series, so it retcons everything>Erm....no....Daima maybe the latest iteration of the series, but it can't retcon anything btwHuh?
The Big 3 are fucking trash. DB, FAIRY TAIL, MHA are a better big 3.
>>283262530It wasn't the underwater cave with the pirate robot, that's for sure.
>>283279487Why does DB discussion always devolve into what's canon and what isn't? After Z it just becomes a clusterfuck, maybe even sometime during Z depending on who you ask.
>>283262530those DB storytimes after Toriyama's death were one of the best I enjoyed here, the movies at the end of these were a great bonus too
Why is Goku such a psycho?
Goku is our MOTHERFUCKING HERO
>>283281102>EditedPost the real one.The Toyo version.
What is considered to be the peak moment in Super?
>>283262530Red Ribbon arc has a comfy feeling to me and I like how it leads directly in to the Tournament stuff
>>283269089No.>Remake of Z, OG, or GT (from most to least likely)>Dragon Ball Super: Raditz>Xenoverse 3 (if there are 3 announcements as opposed to 2)
>>283281528It's 32 "major projects"And a gameHonestly the 2 projects could be whatever, the last time they announced a fucking figure.
>>283262530krilin's first death was something else. too bad it was a preamble to death getting nerfed.
>>283281677>>283281684
>>283279885Why does everyone dislike that part? It was engraved into my memory forever as a kid.
>>283281351Ultra instinct. I didn't bother watching shitper at the time but even I knew about it in HS because normies and my friends would bring it up.
>>283281751It was already nerfed. Upa's father was revived from the dead. I wish they'd have kept the thing about preserving the bodies for consistency later on.
>>283262530all of the db and dbgt is SOVL rest is shit
>>283281261
>>283282166True but the stakes are raised when Piccolo kills Shenron. So that at least gives you the oh shit now what moment until Kami is introduced.
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOO!
>>283282434>Liveaction>OG remake in 3DCG>Xeno 3 with Daima loreThe leakers were right.The announcement will be ass.
>>283282434Justin CHADwin will save these halls
https://youtu.be/5taN_PQiG78
Special beam cannon.Spirit bomb.King kai.Ox King.Master roshi.Frieza.King Piccolo.Hercule.Guru.Destructo disc.Supreme kai.Solar flare.Mercenary Tao.Bulla.Tien.
>>283282557Cringe.
>>283282557Yup, John Goku is our hero.
Dragon Ball is woke and sanitized nowSuper and daima have been too safe and pandering to the masses We need 80s and 90s edge db kino back>>283282557Not canon
>>283282654Many are saying this.
>>283282434Id kneel if we git an Evolution Z.
>>283269089>JanuaryToo early to care.
>>283282908I don't get it but this is kinda cool and surreal.
>>283282908>>283283121How did Nappa fit inside a Suzuki Jimny?
>>283271740What qualities? I think you're being a little too vague. The gag elements being folded back in? I don't think so. Buu is a truly infuriating exercise at wasting every potential plot beat and interesting idea and arriving at the least interesting and most disappointing conclusion to each and every plot turn. The gimmicks are sound and interesting but Buu is a horrible antagonist (made worse by the fact that they had alternatives) and it was too derivative of Cell without any of the personality or context. It was truly running on fumes after Saiyanman. It's a failed arc in every measure.>>283272419Happy birthday to Nozawa-san. She is a global treasure.
He will return soon.
>>283274568Great idea. It's time the franchise brought back the Z grit. I can't stand Super/Daima and the sludge they turned the franchise into. Ideally, I'd want them to make an actual post-End of Z manga that's not GT while folding the best elements of GT into it and fixing other elements that didn't work. A remake of GT would be ideal. I want us to forget Super ever existed.
>>283274862None of those cool elements have anything to do with the fact that Buu is an awful villain and it's still an awful saga. Cell is better, obviously. I think you need to realize this. There can be good things in a bad saga but if the core of the story is rotten, as is the case with Buu, then those elements end up being wasted. Plus, you know that's nonsense. Saiyan/Namek was everyone's, and every kid's, favorite DBZ sagas and point of entry. Buu was late-stage. I think you may be conflicting your experiences with the consensus.>>283274693I think DB works fine without Toriyama as evident by the movies which introduced classic characters like Broly and Cooler and had better fights and stories than some of the arcs in the actual manga. What a shame. They let Toriyama spitefully destroy the franchise with Super instead of trusting their own hands. Don't, even for a second, tell me that what Toriyama did to Broly and Bardock is excusable.
>>283275321He was self-taught in Western cartooning methods which is why his art style is so reminsicent of Western cartooning styles, his paneling and line art is so crisp and clean and why his work flows so beautifully. It's something most other mangaka can't comprehend. Most mangaka now just consume manga and that's it. No drawing from other schools of art or life. Just regurgitating endlessly. I think Oda had some of that early on before his work devolved into the unreadable sludge it is today but he lost it. Tbf, so did Toriyama midway through Cell.
Yamcha looking zesty
>>283283441Goku doesn't seem to mind.
>>283277141Same.
>>283271740>What qualities? Tons.First, the comedy obviously. >>283271740It IS that good. Gotenks vs Buu is one of the best fights in the manga, and Toriyama's favorite if I remember well. Not that the author is right about everything but in this case it's easy to see why he loves it. The arc has some of Toriyama's best comedy by far, next to a lot of the dark "edgy" things he can draw, making for an aesthetically interesting contrast. Buu is perfect for that role because of his shape shifting and weird abilities.The cast is perfectly handled for a post Namek entry. Cell teases you by keeping the Earthlings and Piccolo around for them to really do nothing but whine and cry about being useless. In Buu, the main cast is a bit shrunk down, and way more focused. Satan and Buu (Fat, especially, good character) do a lot of heavy lifting. Piccolo and the Earthlings are more here for jokes and interactions which is a lot better than just getting beaten up and complaining about being useless.It beats Cell in scale. Cell felt less ambitious in the way these fights were depicted (Vegeta vs 18 looks like what you'd get before the Saiyans arc). In contrast you're getting tons of moments where SS3 level fighters will destroy chunks of the planet.The arc also has an interesting structure, more than Cell, maybe more than Saiyans or Piccolo too. From SoL to tournament which splits to the Buu plot but keeps going alongside it, splits again to Satan's approach while the heroes do their thing... It has a lot more different "moods" and "steps" than something like Cell where I can only "feel" two big parts that blend together, the Androids and the Cell fight. The tournament, while short, is just a really nice get-together moment and we needed more of that in Dragon Ball. Buu delivered.
What’s he so happy about?
>>283283869
>>283283771Good character writing too. Like I said Fat Buu works really well with Satan. Vegeta's arc is good and probably one of the most quoted examples of character development in Dragon Ball to this day even if I don't think it's the best one. Satan becoming the savior the world is such a perfect Toriyamaesque ending to the arc.It has all the iconic stuff. Take the Cell arc, what's so iconic about it? There'd be the Father Son Kamehameha (which is great)... Gohan's transformation, obviously... the RoSaT (despite being an asspull, it's an interesting concept), and Cell's initial horror design before it got shafted. That's kind of everything. Trunks too maybe. You can pick up any part of the Buu arc and you'll probably stumble onto a memorable, iconic scene. The strongest candy, Kamikaze Ghosts, fusions, Satan blowing up a gameboy on Buu's face, the explicit Genkidama (I like the one on Namek better for how much destruction it brought but this is the one people remember, the one where Goku asks everyone to help), Super Saiyan 3... This is the arc with the iconic group shot too.Basically if I had to sum up my thoughts on this, you have "early Z" (Saiyans Namek) which has a very strong cohesive identity of its own and great writing, and you have Buu which similarly has strong identity and writing (a lot more chaotic, but strong). And then in the middle you have Cell which is kinda blurry, kinda generic, feels like a rehash and only differentiates itself with the Terminator vibes and the artificial vs organic nurture themes. That's why Buu wins so hard for me.
FUARK I can’t wait for them to make this canon
>>283283869Gine love Fasha instead
>>283270778…here being my delusional mindscape I often conflate with reality
>>283281971Who stronger? Downstairs D. Impal (OP) or Hellgates-sama (DB)?
>page 9
>>283274488Vegeta’s brothers is so lucky
God I love her smile
>solos the entire Son familyBejitabro btw
>>283282654Read the GODnga.
>>283282434>the return of WHITEMANkuChi-Chi is so lucky.
>>283282434>>283282541>>283286141Get your 3D shit out here
>>283283911>a fax machine broke ToriyamaLMAO
>>283285547Kale? I’d rail.
>>283275054UI has two or three variations. There is UI the technique you described. Anyone can achieve Ultra Instinct (technique) theoretically. Even Yamcha and Tenshinhan. UI (technique) can be used in any Saiyan form that can also be maintained with a clear mind (SS1, SS2, SSG, SSB).There is also UI (transformation), the silver haired form. This is exclusive for Saiyans. It's a limit breaking transformation stronger than every other transformation. It cannot be stacked with another form. Every Saiyan can theoretically achieve it.Goku's explicitly stated goal is to be able to have UI (technique) be active at all times and use UI (transformation) as a "limit breaking" power up form.Obtain better reading comprehension.
>>283282541CHADstin CHADwin should unironically voice CHADnola when it gets animated. Like how Piccolo from the movie voiced Zamasu.
>>283282434What the FUCK did they mean by this?Genuinely.
>>283285547>>283274488Goten and Trunks' side pieces
>>283282434GOKU'S BWC will SAVE JAPAN.
>>283286241No lies detected.
>>283286340Destroying shotas bussy
>>283286445...in their imaginations.
>>283286241>gay formHere the oghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tV-JnoDlUI
>>283274488Why? Gohan doesn't hit that, plus he's a cuck
>>283282434Maybe Zamasu was right all along.
>>283262530Dragon Ball peaked when Oolong wished for panties and it was all downhill after that
>>283286547
>>283286445This is attractive
>>283286585See>>283286762
>>283286445Ruined
>>283286445You know I always found Kale rather ugly with her gross lips and this only makes her slightly more appealing, Cauliflower can shit in my mouth anytime though!!!
>>283286445Flawless
>>283286340When they’re not fucking each other I presume? Because you know, they’re raging weak faggots like… well nearly every person in this thread
Kinda sad, I returned here after leaving in April and it feels a lot more barren and slow compared to just a few months ago and of course before then too. Is everyone gone or something?
>>283276182Eh they both look shit (not only that they look like they were designed by Mexicans which tells you something about GT and Daipa fags)
>>283286924>It’s straight because it’s a womanWell yes, naturally, providing you’re male. No matter how much testosterone they may have injected into them it doesn’t detract from the fact they’re female.
>>283286988General blue and otsosuki are the only faggots in the series
>>283287129Brown.
>>283287129Why do you have this stored?
>>283287183Liking this >>283286445 leads down to this >>283287129 in the porn pipeline. You're still a closeted faggot. Letting a woman let you is gay as fuck. Having sex with a woman that has injected testosterone is gay as fuck. You're a faggot and brown.
>>283287236You are a brown third world faggot, tienrus.
>>283287236>Anonymous 10/25/25(Sat)12:22:50 No.283287236>>283287191>>>283287218>Stop capping you would definitively crack a cute femboy>>283287129>Anonymous 10/25/25(Sat)12:18:01 No.283287129>283287191 >283287218 >283287226(You)1732294201280207.webm (2.71 MB, 1080x1080)File: 1732294201280207.webm (2.71 MB, 1080x1080) google yandex iqdb wait TIENRUS DAYUM
>>283287274>IESLBBROWN.
>>283287296>Anonymous 10/25/25(Sat)12:25:15 No.2832872961749554636251040.webm (1.16 MB, 1080x1080)File: 1749554636251040.webm (1.16 MB, 1080x1080) google yandex iqdb wait
Why is tienrus like this?
>>283287302Stop projecting, browns anon
G.
>>283287366Can you learn proper English? You are a fucking brown nigger?I see why we have roidtrannies posted here now.
>>283287344He’s brown.
>>283287374project g ncsoft
How have janitards not figured out how to stop this homosexual chimp from evading yet? It’s been two years of cuck fantasies, gigi and tranny porn. Just hire a cartel hitman with your zero dollar pay check at this point.
What killed the halls?
>>283287448>LITERAL IMBLGASSIYOU. ARE. BROWN!>>283287506Browns need to be range banned. Good bad 4cuck staff wants browns because they boost site numbers.
I MUST have that new deviantart JPEG on Dokkan Battle!I NEED to spend my yearly salary worth of pesos on it!
>>283287524Unironically, 1-2 schizos.
>>283287506hair too big
>>283287547I don't like Dokkan art. I wish every girl in the series had tits bigger than their heads shoulders bigger than their tetas. That would be peak!
>>283287506hair not big enough
Pointing out ESL is more a staple of the halls than your obnoxious faggotry will ever be.
OUR HEROES.
>>283287606>>283287599Gon-san penhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLJbGtfY60g
>>283287638100% this. If you don't like it go somewhere else you fucking tourist. Assimilate into our existing culture or be made fun of.
>>283287659>short shortsGAY!
>>283287506He’s a troll.
>>283287648Yamcha is Tora’s lost son
>>283288373Beast should have been for Trunks.
>>283288566The Trunks Kakarot DLC (when it tried) was high kino.And yes, I said kino.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_Nw1VvsIg
>>283288663I prefer this version. This is Gohan's song for me.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRssND4dSMQ>>283288373There's no evidence all half Saiyans can't get Beast btw.
>>283288800Beast is only for Gohan because he has Demon ancestry.
What if Goku was sucked and fucked in the Time Chamber for 30000 years?
>>283288946By who?
>>283288663>>283288800ENTERhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI_IZh5HK5w
>>283287638>>283287689Go back, tourists.
>>283289075Shitting on ESL has been a staple since the start of these threads. You’re the tourist. Learn to communicate properly or fuck off.
>>283289037Vados
>>283289122What word are you struggling with, eslfaggot?
>>283289075>touristsMaking fun of IESLB has been a thing since before the Broly Movie days. Go back to Plebbit. You don't fit in here.
your obsession with tranny and gay porn will never be a staple no matter how hard you try to push it kek, /trash/ tourist.
>>283289215>PlebbitReally hope English isn’t your native language.
>>283289272You're such a fucking tourist it's unreal.
>>283289211>what word>areStop trying to normalise being an LGBT monkey who can’t speak properly. Acquire acumen and then come back.
>>283262530one whole day and still not at bump limit why are dbz threads slow af now
>the Super Broly movie came out 15 years agoBros...
>>283289316Blame Vegetabros.
>>283289307>>283289298>ESL newfags
>>283262530>Piccolo DaimaThis is the worst arc in entire manga because Goku wins with some bullshit "magic water."
Why is SHITienrus trying to pretend making fun of IESLB isn't a Halls tradition?
Please post dragon ball related content thank you
>>283289364We don't sign out posts here.
>>283289401Holy KEK
>>283289410Zangya thread
>>283289391Because it excludes him, the same way heterosexuality, whiteness or being actually funny does.>>283289401K,b,c,
>>283289467Hell yeah but post a image
>>283289401
>>283262682Why did he randomly revert to base and then went back to super?
>>283289523https://files.catbox.moe/fyqyxx.jpeghttps://files.catbox.moe/ljc3xo.jpeg
>>283283298>remake of GTI cannot accept that. I think GT would benefit from the inclusion of more episodes for the Black Star Dragon Ball and Baby arcs.
>>283289728>I cannot accept that. I think [ThE MOST RETARDED THING YOU WILL EVER READ]
>>283289710She gives mommy vibes
>>283289733…Let it go.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvPlI3-ygkM
>>283289705Bravado?
>>283289754*I cannot accept that. I think [ThE MOST INNOVATIVE THING YOU WILL EVER READ]FTFY btw.
>>283289871Canon, non canon.
>283289401>moeshit video talking in a moeshit language about moeshit sexualities. Is shitgang back?
>>283289781
>>moeshit language>>moeshit sexualities.Tienrus... English and heterosexuality aren't "moeshit"
>>283289971Canon and funny
>>283289871Canon, canon.
>>283289871Princess Trunks is canon.
>>283289986I need blue flavor milky
>>283290019>>283290012>>283290006GT is non canon.
>>283290019>>283290012>>283290006GT is canon.
>>283290064The opposite of this post is true.
>>283262530King Piccolo or Saiyan arc. King Piccolo really felt like a culmination of everything Goku had been through up to that point, and it was genuinely bleak because the villain killed almost everyone (including Shenron which made the DBs useless) and successfully conquered Earth. The way the remaining heroes banded together to stop him oozed soul.The Saiyan arc felt like sort of an evolution of that, with Goku and Piccolo teaming up to fight Raditz and later everyone joining up to fight Vegeta and Nappa. Piccolo sacrificing himself for Gohan was the icing on the cake, and it didn't feel unearned, especially in the anime, because you got a sense for their relationship and that Piccolo wasn't an evil piece of shit like his father.
>>283290033The opposite of this post is true.
>>283289871Raised by Zamasu
>>283290064Said everyone ever >>283290033Said no one ever
Z isn't canon. Only OG.
>>283290152>Raised by [HEADCANON]
>>283290022
>>283290202>non-canon comedic prequel
Post ends in…1- only the original dragon ball manga is canon2- the original manga and spin offs like jaco and minus by toriyama are canon3- the original manga and spin offs by toriyama are canon, as well as supplementary officially published materials 4- the manga and the dragon ball to Z anime is canon, where the anime does not contradict the manga 5- the dragon ball to Z anime is canon 6- the dragon ball to Z anime is canon as well as the movies 7- the dragon ball to Z anime and the movies and super are canon 8- only the dragon ball to Z anime and super anime are canon9- everything is canon except GT0- GT is canon
Super isn't canon. Only OGDB, DBZ and DBGT.
If I believe it to be true, it is canon, no matter what evidence exists.If I do not believe it to be true, it is headcanon, even if direct events in the series disprove it.Simple as.
>>283290238GTfag BTFO
>>283290258Super..
Movie 8 is canon
>>283290225>toriyamas OPUS isn't canon>meanwhile forced continuation superman sci fi Z isMaybe on opposite day.
>>283290296Kek, vegeta is such a worthless bitch in this movie. That’s why it’s canon.
>>283290296Hmmm canonical saga?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0o-nyT979Q
Post ends in…1- only the original dragon ball manga is canon + GT 2- the original manga and GT are canon3- the original manga and GT are canon4- the manga, dragon ball. dragon ball Z and the dragon ball gt anime is canon, where the anime does not contradict the manga5- the dragon ball to GT anime is canon6- the dragon ball to GT anime is canon7- the dragon ball to GT anime is canon8- only the dragon ball to GT anime are canon9- everything is canon except Super0- GT is canon
>>283290437Forgot to add:437- GT is non canon
GT is canon btw.
>>283289998He literally just got wiped in this thread posting actual moeshit.
>>283290381SS2 Gohan wouldn’t scratch Broly. He was fighting a merged kami piccolo and 4 super saiyans. He’s super saiyan 5 level strength.
GT was replaced by Daima.GT is now on the same tier as Heroes.
Super is non canon and heroes tier.
>>283290526This is cope and not how transformations work. They’re multipliers, so a SS5 would be far stronger than 5 super saiyans merely added together. Broly is weaker than cell.
>>283290536Except heroes is actually canon
*beats up Vegeta*
>>283290569Broly beats Cell easy though.
Every new sequel is worse than the one beforeGt was shittythen super was diarrheaand diama is the worst one they have made so far somehow anywayi wonder how bad the next series will be, like how can they make it even worse??
>>283290437>7- the dragon ball to GT anime is canonHonestly the best timeline. GT was flawed but really not that bad all. It respected the characters makes than super. I think the fan base only rejected it because it was different
I think both LSS Broli from Movie 8 and full-power Bojack from Movie 9 are about the same strength as "full power" Perfect Cell, before he blew up and came back "Super Perfect" and stronger.I also think the heroes in Movie 8 aren't as strong as they were at the Cell Games, for a handful of reasons.I also also think that the group power-up strategy used against Broli wouldn't have worked against Cell, because Cell can regenerate and couldn't be beaten by a single powerful physical attack like Broli was.
>>283289871funny
>>283290620I’m not a GT hater but people hate it because it’s boring, unexciting, visually ugly and poorly written. >b-but superSuper is also all of those things.
>>283290309>the shitty part of the story isn't canon>the good part of the story is canonCorrect, pup.
Super was replaced by Daima.Super is now on the same tier as Super.
>>283289871Um, no. Raised by Vegeta he became a Super Saiyan by age 8, while FT did not become Super Saiyan until 17. Nice try though Goku faggot.>>283290296In your favela maybe. But it will never be canon in reality.
>macaco G’d>thread quality and speed improves substantially
>>283290744Daima including bits from super but also contradicting it was really strange.
>>283290698SHITren is now omega shenron level video toy fodder. He will never be animated again.
>>283290837>Jiren out of literally nowhere
>>283290681>because it’s boring, unexciting, visually ugly and poorly written.Generally disagree. Hopefully we can at least agree that super is egregiously worse
>>283290745>Goku out of nowhereObsessed manlet.
Daima 2 baby!
>>283290569>>283290641>Even including the TV anime, nobody exists in the world who is stronger than broli >Broly destroys 1/4th of a universe on screenBroly rapes Cell and every Majin Buu up until Buuhan by feats alone. Post Cell destroying a universe.
I certainly don't want super hero or moro to be canon. Dumb villains. Dumb transformations.
>>283290887Super's best moments are better than GT's best moments, but its bad moments are immeasurably worse. This is true particularly for the animation and art.
Why did Yamcha try to karate chop a pretty girl?
>>283290887>Generally disagreeThen you're simply wrong.
>>283290926Hopefully you're counting WebM related as one of those worst moments. That arc was awful. They didn't know how to end it so they had zeno come in and fix everything with a finger snap. It's the equivalent of just wishing for shenron to defeat a villain. But I'll generally agree because I love Caulifla more than anything in GT
>>283290887I would rather watch paint dry than either. There’s a reason both got shitcanned. For me it would come down to music, forms, etc for which I prefer and that would be close between them. Maybe GT for dan dan and ss4, and baby is also a good villain. But GT is still unwatchable. I will give GT another point- it’s shorter. If I had to rewatch one I would pick GT just so less of my time is wasted.>>283290753>no cuck spam, off topic spam, troon spam meltdowns make the thread betterHuh???
>>283290994Even outside the arc, that entire sequence is amazingly poorly animated. It's baffling how that got through quality control.Before the end shit the bed though the arc was generally pretty good. The pacing was handled a little better in the manga since the anime had Goku and Vegeta go back and forth between the present and the future like 4 times, which was fucking stupid, and Goku going "Oops I forgot!" with the Mafuba seal was insulting.
Pan is stronger than everyone in Z.
>>283291039Everything about it was annoying. Imagine an entire universe we saw trunks fight for since Z getting erased because tardku forgot a plugstopper. It’s too nihilistic. People will say “that’s toriyama he’s always been like that” but no, the moments of importance in dragon ball always had a gravitas befitting of the seriousness of the situation. Super turned the entire universe into a joke controlled by a retarded baby god.
>>283291082>it's too dark for me uwupathetic little baby.
>>283291068I agree. Pan would body zly easily.
Since I’ve not been here in years what’s changed since 2022?
>>283291082I don't necessarily mind a dark ending like that but it being because Goku used the fucking "Zeno Button" to delete a reality almost felt like the show was parodying itself. It was straight out a fanfiction.>>283291111The writing is too retarded, it has nothing to do with it being "too dark". Faggot.
Goku vs Frieza is so motherfucking awesome
>>283291111You’re confusing dark for nihilistic. I think it’s tonally dissonant for dragon ball, it is needlessly depressing as a conclusion and doesn’t fit the usual triumphant atmosphere of the series. I am not saying that’s inherently bad, or that dark storylines are inherently bad, I am saying that super failed to make one work coherently. It mixes stupid gag nonsense with miserable circumstances and then robs you of a happy ending. Immediately after that we get ridiculous fat purple cat nonsense (a guy who could have rendered the entire threat obsolete anyway). It’s an issue of bad writing and conception more than “darkness”.
>>283291154In RoF yeah, in the Namek Saga it was like 200 episodes of fucking nothing mixed with a few punches
>>283290994>I love Caulifla more than anything in GTI hate browns so much
>>283291182I'm watching it in Kai now (already watched the original before) and it's unbelievably hype.
>>283291174Reminds me of the movie "50 first dates"
>>283291137It turned into a discord for a bit but the last dregs of that era (I am talking about tienrus) are getting bullied out.
>>283291205>KaiKai is shit.
>>283291199How did you know I'm brown just because I like Caulifla Explain yourself
>>283291228Kek. Dragon Ball has always looked jank. Every single series.
>>283291218With Adam Sandler? I agree, the humor doesn’t work even if the concept is emotionally compelling.
>>283291254>can't defend that absolute shit despite it supposedly being an update so he has to cry about the older seriesEvery time.
>>283291270+ The depressing contrived ending
>>283291246The only men on this planet who would like Caulifla (a factually annoying and fairly repugnant woman) are brown. They only like her because they like women in revealing clothes.They draw art like this >283286445
>>283290582Yamcha wouldn’t lasted…
>>283290994>CauliflaThe MC Dragon Ball needs.
>>283291254>between frame vs an actual animation fuckupYou're not very smart are you
>>283291292I like chaotic women who are still competent and can also take care of me
>>283291282Yeah that too. I think a good example of dark being done well is that movie where the guy buries the other guys wife alive, can’t remember the name. In the american version they changed it to a happy ending which sort of ruined it. I feel like zamasu is the opposite situation, where erasing the universe just sort of deflated the victory completely rather than matching the tone. Something can be dark and miserable and end miserably, but it should not be emotionally flat. The goku black arc had a completely flat ending that left me feeling nothing pretty much, which is a shame after that climax.
>>283291228>>283291254>>283291311Kai is basically the same as Z with worse borders (16/9 cut some borders) and some horrible "redrawn" (recolored) frames like >>283291228 but most already looked bad in the first placeDragon Ball (before Z) is the closest thing to a decent adaptation we got and it's still not there
>>283291311You want a key frame that looks like shit? I gotcha.>>283291281Kai is better than the padded to shit non canon Z anime.
>>283291292Caulifla is athletic and skinny which is normally brown repellant.
>>283291382>still frame vs animationYou're not very smart are you
DB anime? Canon.Z? anime? Canon.GT? Canon.Any manga version? Not canon.
>>283291371>Dragon Ball (before Z) is the closest thing to a decent adaptation we got
Kai had better music.
>>283291426Still better than Super btw.
>>283291426KEK, what a shitty optional prequel.
>>283291426It was impressive for the time
>>283291396Which is why they draw her off model every time.Psuedocel, DShart, Divinewine are names that come to mind. They are the brownest of the brown.
>>283291426I said closest, not appropriate. Generally speaking the more round style let animators handle this with less issues. It's closer to Saiyans arc Z (which is... acceptable) than the fuckups we saw in Namek and Cell.
>>283291432>ching chong ping pong ting tang tong Godzilla "music"
>>283291455True. But what if you like her on model?
>>283291451HOLY SHIT THIS IS SO KINO THE OHH GEE IS SO MUCH BETTER!
>>283291491>>283291491>>283291491
>>283291426>>283291449>>283291451Super lost.
>>283291483Then you might be white. Small chance you're white. I've seen women be happy with her.
>>283291451That scene has more tension than the entirity of Super.
>>283291492I fucking LOVE staring at static images for 30 minutes at a time while two people supposedly ready themselves to fight. Holy FUCK OG is AMAZING.
>>283291492>>283291532No lies detected.
>>283291492This but unironicallyI'm not even an OG fag or some Kanzenshuu troon. I think Dragon Ball peaked at Namek. But if you think Z is a better adaptation you're retarded.(disregard the faggy blur edits in gif related)We only regressed visually. Except for DBS Broly. Fuck, why am I actually discussing things on /dbs/?
>>283291502I agree.
>>283291519I’ll take it.
LITERAL trash.
>LITERAL trash*LITERAL goldFtfy btw.
>>283262530Anything that wasn't a fucking fighter tournament arc
