At what point did OPM turn into dogshit?
>>283283231when that faggot murata decided to try rewriting the story
>>283283231Redraws just lost intreast
The webcomic is still kinoIt's just the manga that became utter crap
>>283283231When it was about some unfunny joke of a guy one-shotting his opponents because he did some basic training
>>283283231For the manga it was Phoenix Man. Murata redrew the arc like five times.
>>283283231chapter 1
>>283283231>"""Story""" by Murata
>>283283265Definitely this, but >>283283297 was a very close second.
>>283283265>>283283297These. No idea why Murata became so obsessed with redrawing these chapters 80 times
>>283283231Manga version of the monster association arc./thread
That 142 page chapter during the MA arc, it was a waste of time. So many pointless fights
>>283283297Yeah I imagine having to wait 9 or even 12 months for tanks instead of getting 2-3 per year caused a lot of people to drop the manga. We even know it did, because you can literally see it on the sales chart, exactly where the delays caused by Phoenixman and Orochi happened (and some readers probably also stopped buying tanks there because the redraws were worse than the original online chapters).
>>283283231Wouldn't say it turned into "dogshit", especially compared to most other things, but there's two things that definitely robbed it of its early charme:1. The redraws and more importantly rewrites of older chapters. Often for the worse (and to accomodate recent webcomic chapters even). But the general problem is that it made following the story hell. Not only did it make it more difficult to remember which parts of what happened were still relevant and which ones were retconned, changing stuff like who's alive or dead or changing characters, their traits and arcs. It also meant that what you were reading right now might not be relevant anymore at some point in the future.2. It stopped being just a parody and started taking itself way too serious. This is true for the webcomic as well, arguably even to a bigger extent.
>>283283265No.The extras were dead, the monster was dead, it was good.Problems started when somebody though that needed a rewrite.
Why is Murata so autistic for a manga that's not even his?
>>283283265>>283283297Those were kino. Or do you mean the rectonned versions of these fights?
>>283284259Have you seen some retards here and other places? They feel entitled to even tell the authors they're doing things wrong and to write how they feel the story should go.
>>283283231The Manga? Monster Society sometime after either the Zombiman chapter or the Amai Mask MassacreThe Webcomic is apparently still good but I haven't kept up
It started getting worse after the monster association arc with tons of repetitive fights and mediocre character development (what was the point of Garou?). The recent arc about the ninjas and the strong guy is boring too. Its not just the redraws, is that the manga isnt a what it used to be anymore
I need Fubuki ass
>>283283231I enjoy both.
>>283283231it was in a slow decline before saitama vs. garou shat the bed monumentally
>>283284306>kinoretard word
I keep seeing people praise the Saitama vs Cosmic Garou fight on social media and it brings me a lot of pain
>>283283231Probably Blast's introduction.
>>283283231One's version was fun
>>283284429>It started getting worse after the monster association arc with tons of repetitive fights and mediocre character development (what was the point of Garou?).This was really compelling and funny stuff in the webcomic so it's wild to hear how badly the manga butchered it considering MA was my favorite arc in the webcomic.
>>283283231Never. Still the coolest.
>>283283231The webcomic is still good but I felt a decline in the manga after the Boros arc when the tournament filler arc began. The point of no return was the awful adaptation of the Monster Association arc and the constant redraws, padded out fights, ruined humor, and changes to the writing/scenes that didn't seem major but ended up making the characters less compelling. Murata's the Ryu Nakayama of OPM.
>>283283297Yup. Made following the chapters a pain in the ass from then on. I can't even figure out where I am in the story anymore, the only option would be to reread.
>>283283231when you showed up
>>283283231Murata rewrites chapters over and over, no one has the fucking patience to wait for that. He even saved mosquito woman
>>283284062Webcomic is way more sincere than the manga, the manga is what made a joke of the Garou/Saitama battle. People ran with the whole "OPM is a battle shonen parody" shit and are unable to accept that it was never really that concrete. The original joke was simply a hero who’s already overpowered from the start. Gintama is more of a genuine battle shonen parody
Modern OPM is why I feel like waifubait just doesn't work. nobody gives a shit outside of Tatsumaki and Fubuki pinups
>>283285109Something I'd like to know is whose idea the tournament arc was. We know that ONE wrote it, but did he want to do an original arc for the manga or did Murata request it for some reason?
>>283285202>People ran with the whole "OPM is a battle shonen parody" shitThat's because it is. Or was, at least. And, yes, the webcomic started this whole "taking itself seriously" way before the manga did. And that's the problem.
>>283285200>Murata rewrites chapters over and overONE rewrites them. Many of the rewrites are retrofitting the manga chapters for the webcomic's outcomes.>even saved mosquito womanThat wasn't a rewrite. You could argue that Do-S was "saved" in a rewrite, but even then there would have been ways to bring her back without rewriting her death chapter and giving her revival powers. There was the fucking Phoenix fight that also brought other characters back.
>>283285502>ONE rewrites themONE has been writing two serialised manga and the webcomic at the same time for the past two years, when the fuck does he have the time to even think about Murata's OPM?
>>283285202I've heard it described as putting a joke character (Saitama) in a serious battle shonen world. That's as far as I would go in putting OPM in a box. I'm not sure why everyone is so obsessed with the parody tag.
>>283285647That's probably the problem. The man can't stop getting distracted and just wings it.
>>283285669Because it is a parody. It takes genre tropes and subverts them for comedic effect. That's what a parody is.
>>283285703Yeah, call it whatever, just don't be upset if it does something that doesn't fit the label.
>>283283231It really hit for me during the kid emperor vs phoenix man fight. Wasting months to redraw and expand a fight that didn't even exist in the webcomic.I stopped closely following the releases after that.Garou fight was the last hope for many here, but the table, the space bullshit, and the time rewinding just for the zero punch joke was awful.I completely stopped reading both versions after that. If ONE is approving these changes, he's just as bad.
>>283285758Well, the problem is more that it stopped doing the thing that made it a parody. I miss that.
>>283285994>If ONE is approving>approvingMurata doesn't actually need ONE's approval. He got it when he originally acquired the legal rights to adapt OPM with Shueisha acting as a publisher. This is the part that a lot of people don't seem to understand. ONE is not in constant contact with Murata supervising every single change and exercising power he doesn't have. Most of the time Murata is on his own, referencing webcomic updates ONE made years ago.I really don't believe ONE cares that much about what happens with the manga.
Gotta wonder what was worse for the series: Madhouse not doing a second season for the anime, or Murata doing redraws and going way off script?
>>283283231Never did. Its "fanbase" however..
How did Murata ruin something as good as Amai Mask's arc or OPM in general?
>>283285703Saitama’s strength and disillusionment with other character’s backstories is the only “subversion”. There’s clearly sincere attempts at action and character development even early. One punch man as the entirely parody and gag manga you imagine it only exists in like the first dozen chapters. Stop being allergic to sincerity, just because the characters are goofy sometimes.
>>283288960Right. Because the other heroes, their whole organization, including literal power levels, and the monsters totally aren't a play on genre tropes, right?
>>283285109>ruined humorwhat? you didnt like nichirin apple?
>>283289213Yeah and despite being based on tropes they’re never being “deconstructed” whenever they get screen time. Does leaning in on being silly and poking fun on shonen mean there can be absolutely zero serious storytelling or action and it has to be Dr slump? The manga did an arc full of what you want with the tournament and it’s nobody’s favorite because having Saitama jadedly one punching someone and interrupting their backstory after they underestimate him over and over again without the rest of the cast to help create intrigue and stakes gets old fast. The only reason the scenes with kabuto, sonic, and hammerhead work is because the story plays it straight and allows you to get invested even if it’s stereotypical.
>>283283231when the manga randomly started a filler tournament arc you knew it was over
>>283289853>“deconstructed”Stop using words you don't know the meaning of.Nothing needs to be "deconstructed" for a parody. Those things are subverted tropes for the very reason that they are tropes, but not played straight like other genre series would do them.>mean there can be absolutely zero serious storytellingNo one ever said that. Read my post here:>>283286004>the problem is more that it stopped doing the thing that made it a parodyI.e. it can do as much serious storytelling as it wants, but as long as it does comedy via subversion, it is a parody. When it stops doing that, it isn't anymore. And it definitely doesn't do it in a significant way anymore. Now, you can argue that that's not a problem for you because you never cared for the parody aspect that dominated the start. What you cannot argue is that it therefore never was a parody.
>>283283231Tournament arcs followed by frequent redraws.
>>283285502>Many of the rewrites are retrofitting the manga chapters for the webcomic's outcomes.LMAO. What webcomic outcomes? The manga is entirely different story as of now, that takes inspirations from the webcomic on a surface level.And don't you see a fatal contradiction in your own logic? If it's ONE still writing the manga why would there be a need in the first place to redo the past chapters to be inline with the current webcomic story that is years ahead of the manga? He already has the fucking story. It's only Murata's fanfiction that constantly contradicts the original and itself, can do a U-turn literally the next chapter several times, because there's zero planning involved. Nothing like a perfectly structured story ONE has wrote
>>283283231When it decided to insert a whole new arc into the middle of the story.
>>283290542This.
>>283290424>What webcomic outcomes?The big phoenix redraw happened just as Amai Mask got his rememption-by-getting-called-a-cool-guy in the webcomic. Right thereafter the Do-S death chapter got retconned to take out Amai killing the mercenaries, to the point where he doesn't even do the "Han shot first" thing anymore. Are you trying to tell me that Murata, who even confessed to not liking the character, would do that without ONE meddling?
>>283290355Okay so when did it stop being “subversive” enough for it to not be considering a parody for you?
>>283290742There was a chapter where ryumon got displayed as being one dimensionally evil and colluding with the monster gambling ring not too far from the time when it was revealed he actually was just a genuine and authentic guy. Why was the ninja arc rewritten like twice over a year and a half just to competely change over the idea that “that man” was a villain and make him a mind controlled partner of the manga’s version of blast who clearly is nothing like his webcomic counterpart.
Why people gotta be hating on the tournament arc? It's good, it was the last time the manga was good.
>>283290900Well, the rewrites are a complete mess with inconsistent characters, but so is the webcomic itself.
>>283291117What is inconsistent about them?
>>283290971It's bad. You're just the type of tard who says something is good because it made you laugh twice.
>>283283231After the monster association arc. All this ninja village god stuff is lame.
>>283290752Gradually throughout the Monster Association plotline. Particularly by the point the redraws happened. They themselves took the subversion out of the original chapters and replaced it with prolonged fight scenes or completely trite genre conventions.
is the neo heroes robot arc going to be the last webcomic arc?forte, blue, etc. are recognizing saitama and drawing inspiration from him. hero society and society in general has been upended.seems we're pretty close to saitama being widely acknowledged. but i could see there being a couple more arcs before that point.
>>283290742>The big phoenix redraw happened just as Amai Mask got his rememption-by-getting-called-a-cool-guy in the webcomic1. What does the phoenix redraw has to do with AM or the webcomic?2. ONE has had posted on twitter he has nothing to do with the rampaging retcons>Right thereafter the Do-S death chapter got retconned to take out Amai killing the mercenaries>Are you trying to tell me that Murata, who even confessed to not liking the character, would do that without ONE meddling?Yes. Are you trying to tell me ONE would force Murata to redraw volumes worth of content because he suddenly decided AM is le good now and didn't know it preemptively while writing MA arc? The retcon doesn't "redeem" AM: he still tries to kill the mercanaries, his previous violent deeds are still there unretconed. He didn't even need redemption in the first place. Only Muratard whose brain is corrupted by western comic book movies thinks that every hero needs a flawless reputation while in the webcomic AM even in his latest arc considers sacrificing civilians>even confessed to not liking the characterHe still did the character dirty during the surface battle
>>283291197Sorry i mewnt what makes the webcomics a complete mess and inconsistent.
>>283291178Well, let's take the example I gave before: A character that's painted as unsympathetic getting a redemption via the main character stating an unexplained and seemingly unfounded opinion. That's not consistent character writing, is it? And it's true for many of the characters, they sometimes just act out of plot necessity (ONE getting some quick idea, seemingly), not due to a character trait or deeper motivation.
>>283286351murata talked before about receiving "notes" from one at some point so you might be correct. that's a far cry from close collaboration and constant communication.
>>283291262There’s still potential development left for tons of characters like Tatsumaki, fubuki, sonic, and answering questions related to blast (and god if it even exists in the way we think it does)
>>283284062>This is true for the webcomic as well, arguably even to a bigger extent.Totally true. During the Mob Psycho detour something was lost. Saitama is way too preachy now and his yapping bug is slowly spreading to every other character. It's, honestly, tiresome to read it most of the time.
>>283291318oh yea i forgot about god despite looking at those murata chapters of him a few weeks ago. that's definitely got to be the end game. maybe one will finally introduce blast into the story in that arc.
>>283291264>ONE has had posted on twitter he has nothing to do with the rampaging retconsYeah, I was here for that "It tótally wasn't ONE" cope when he made that tweet. You realize that it's meant to be complementary, right? Trying to give Murata some credit, not to distance himself from the chapters. Good team leaders do that all the time in all kinds of businesses.
>>283291391>You realize that it's meant to be complementary, right? Trying to give Murata some credit, not to distance himself from the chaptersWTF is this retarded as fuck cope? Japs aren't going to just trash their coworkers openly. Obviously ONE has to distance himself from Murata with some plausible deniability. That tweet basically reads as ONE calling Murata a retarded fuck.
>>283283231The raid was extremely dragged out for no reason and Garou vs Saitama was a massive downgrade from the original webcomic fight.
>>283291297>A character that's painted as unsympathetic getting a redemptionThat's a comon trope in ONE's works. It's not inconsistency. Muratard doesn't have any subtlety and that's why when he sees such a character he goes out of his way to paint them as irredeemable. See Ryumon and McCoy for example
>>283291297He gets redeemed narratively from trying desperately to save others and giving up his need to be seen as beautiful after speaking with Saitama who calls him human (whether he was listening or not). The narrative rewards him by having Saitama appreciate and recognize his efforts and give him will to live even after his truth is revealed. He’s not even that unsympathetic, he just hates monsters and villainy. Genos even comments on his ruthlessness towards evil and says he reminds him of himself before he met Saitama. I don’t get what’s inconsistent, he just got more onscreen development to show he isn’t one note. Any other specific examples?
>>283291419>Obviously ONE has to distance himself from MurataYou're a fucking retard if this is how you actually read that text.
>>283291391Yes. He suddenly decided to give Murata some credit when the whole shitshow has started, that it is his achievement. Lmao
>>283291522>That's a comon trope in ONE's works. It's not inconsistency.It absolutely is inconsistency. That it's common in an author's work doesn't make it a trope. It makes it the author's blind-spot.>after speaking with SaitamaSee, that's the problem. It comes out of nowhere and the motivation is literally "MC says X is cool, so nothing that happened before matters". That's not how character arcs work.
>>283283231Story by ONE
>>283291592No, he's right, you coping mongrel. How is saying he had nothing to do with the shit the other person did not distancing?
>>283291729>saying he had nothing to do withThat's not what he said.
>>283291666Why are characters not being one note evil and having depth and surprising the reader from their judgments inconsistencies? How does it come out of nowhere? He thinks Saitama had potential to be the “ultimate hero” because of his strength, and got obsessed with the prospect because he didn’t think he could fulfill it as himself. What makes you say nothing before it matters? He says himself that he thinks his monsterization is progressing and he might cease to understand what it means to be human.
>>283291666>That it's common in an author's work doesn't make it a tropeit's literally the definition of a trope>It makes it the author's blind-spotHe's done it intentionally. You liking it or not is another question>It comes out of nowhereNever happened>MC says X is cool, so nothing that happened before mattersAlso never happened. AM was "redeemed" (as if he needed to be) by his actions not by Saitama's speech. Imagine being this dense, holy fuck
>>283291896>characters not being one note evilBut they are, until they very suddenly are the exact opposite. That's not the same as>having depthIt's a character rewrite. It's unearned. It's inconsistent.
>>283291961>But they areThey aren't. In the webcomic at least. Try reading the source material we are actually arguing about
>>283291961What did the characters do that made them completely one note evil that makes their redemption entirely impossible?
>>283291900>it's literally the definition of a tropeNo. A trope transcends a single author's work. And a trope has a purpose. An actual trope, that is, not what gets an article on tvtropes.Lazy writing by an author is just that, lazy writing.>He's done it intentionally.Oh, I'm sure he's intentionally giving characters compltely new traits out of nowhere in the middle of the story. Doesn't mean it's good writing.>Never happenedIt happens all the time. How is the Amai Mask thing not out of nowhere? What about the character before the aforementioned point in the story ever suggested anything about a redemption?>(as if he needed to be) I see, that's your problem. You don't even seem to notice how the way he is before the point is not at all consistent with the way he is after the point.Why would the character he once was even care about what Saitama says about him?
Shadow Ring is best girl
>>283292130Think you meant Lin Lin?
>>283292023>They aren't. In the webcomic at least.We're talking about the webcomic. And you fail to make an actual argument.>>283292097>What did the characters do that made them completely one note evil that makes their redemption entirely impossible?In Amai Mask's case: Kill innocents indiscriminantly, repeatedly. That was his main point, both in the webcomic and the manga.
Is it wrong that I like a certain cyborg's cute butt?
>>283292186Who did he kill that was innocent in the webcomic?
>>283285411How? ONE's humor is still there.
>>283292247yes because you can't breed her
>>283292181I know what I said.
>>283292340Says who?
Right around the time that Myrata decided to butcher the Monster Association arc and ruin the Garou fight.
>>283292351having 71% of your body turned into robotics make it highly unlikely that her womb or ovaries are still functional
>>283292425What reason would their be to get rid of the womb and ovaries? To put a drink dispenser there?
>>283292281The aliens he kills were in the webcomic, if I recall correctly.But he doesn't really care much whom he kills at any point, does he?
>>283291197I meant when in the webcomic did it stop being parodical to you.
>>283283247fpbp
>>283292117>No. A trope transcends a single author's work.The trope of seemingly shitty guy turning out to be a misunderstood good guy transcends far beyond ONE's work, illiterate retard>I'm sure he's intentionally giving characters compltely new traits out of nowhere in the middle of the story. Doesn't mean it's good writingIf it doesn't contadict their previously established character or shows them from the new angle, it could be a good case of character development>How is the Amai Mask thing not out of nowhere? How it is>What about the character before the aforementioned point in the story ever suggested anything about a redemption?He's a hero. A bit of a prick, but still a hero>You don't even seem to notice how the way he is before the point is not at all consistent with the way he is after the point.That's again might be a case of character development. And AM's is a great one. He finally accepts and finds peace with himself>Why would the character he once was even care about what Saitama says about him?He was constantly obsessed with public reception. Why would he not care about the opinion of a person he holds in high regard and even sees his dream in him?
>>283292467The aliens aren’t “innocent” as we know of them. They helped genocide the entire city and are clearly not regretful about it and are just surprised they got beat. He’s just ruthless towards evil. Morally grey at worst at the point. And like I said previously Genos says he reminds him of himself a bit later after he does it, calling him eager to exterminate evil and saying something bad probably happened in the past. Clearly trying to put in our heads that he isn’t completely one note.
>>283292485It's even more gradual there. Mostly because the fights never become very detailed and the general pacing is quicker, so it's less about anything being too dragged out and elaborated on, but more about the parodistic and subversive elements getting dropped or receding into the background more and more over time. By the time the webcomic got to the Monster Association arc, it had already been streamlined to where the only thing that still was subversive was Saitama's titular one-punch.
>>283292560Kinda fucked up how people still romanticize Boros even though he's likely slaughtered billions of creatures without a care.Wanting a poetic good fight doesn't excuse wiping a random city out of boredom.
>>283283231I stopped reading when Tatsumaki spent a year fighting the villain with glasses
>>283292560>The aliens aren’t “innocent” as we know of them.Not any worse than Amai Mask himself.>He’s just ruthless towards evil.Except that he's just ruthless in general. Again, that's his whole point.
>>283283231Kid Emperor vs Phoenix Man. Dragged on for way too long. Worst drop was Blast and Saitama vs Garou (real)
you guys can stop pretending, we all know that void vs blast messed this up more than any previous redraw did, even reddit was enraged if i remember
>>283292186>And you fail to make an actual argument.I actually made an argument just as supported as yours. You said AM is one note evil. I said he isn't
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>>283292629>the only thing that still was subversive was Saitama's titular one-punchWhen was this not the case?
>>283292711The ninja arc redraws were genuinely some of the worst writing I've ever seen in a manga, it went so far beyond even just being a butchery of the webcomic. I could not fucking believe my eyes reading the chapter he tried to pull the "actually, Void's plan was to use God's power, spread it around among the ninjas, and then use them as an army against God!" twist.
>>283292888It ought to convince the remaining apologists that Murata has control over the creative direction of the manga, but I know those people will remain in denial forever.
>>283292771When the heroes and their association were introduced. It had a bit of fun with the monsters, the heroes being oversimplified, power-leveling and so on. But it really didn't last all that long.
>>283292629How are the elements no longer your definition of subversive? The monsters and characters are still based on tropes like you said? Is garou just being a guy who pretended to be monster and wearing jeans and sneakers during his fight with Saitama not subversive? Is ryumon being a good person despite looking like sociopathic yakuza member not subversive? Is child emperor sobbing after his giant mech gets completely outdone by bofoi ijn a few pages not subversive? Is Saitama defeating the final boss of the ninja arc offscreen when flash and sonic are about to confront him not subversive? Is Saitama not caring about the rival hero group and joining a group of losers because he hates his hero name not subversive? Is darkshine getting his confidence back because he ultimately just needed to take a mental health break not subversive? Are most monsters still not subversive because of their humorous designs and origins? Are Rover and black sperm being relegated as pets despite being high tier monsters not subversive? Is all this not enough for it to be considered a "parody" for you?
>>283292918The literal editor note when those redraws started that specified they were requested by Murata didn't convince them, so they're never gonna get it.
>>283292666Whether or not he was in the right isn't what I'm arguing. Can he not grow as a character beyond this one action? All he has done up to his redemption in the story is being ruthless towards monsters (he hasn't attacked another human) and being upset that the other heroes don't strive towards his ideal vision of a hero. How is he ruthless in general that you can believe the story presented him as 100% evil with no possible chance of character development. Genuinely asking, are there any other characters in webcomic you think shouldn't have any development because you think it would be inconsistent?
>>283284733just means cinema.
>>283292956Child Emperor crying because his mech is a failure is not subversive, because he's literally a child going up against a far more experienced opponent who is also his former mentor. What expectations are being subverted? When Bofoi turned out to be a well meaning guy it didn't subvert expectations either, because the narrative was keeping it intentionally ambiguous and painting him as a complicated figure. This is literally just characterisation and storytelling, there's no parody.
>>283283231the manga turned into fillershit and then simply became worse than the webcomic the reason i dropped it is due to the constant child emperor wanking
>>283290424So who do you think changed the manga in the first place with a filler arc and new characters? And how is it perfectly structured when he’s adding characters he only introduced in the manga that are written completely different in the webcomic?
>>283293357>he's literally a childHe's a "child" who's one of the smartest people in the verse, who was in countless life and death situation, who fought dragon level monsters by himself and never broke down. And suddenly he's crying like a baby just because his ego shattered with his toy. A "child" like HIM having a childish break down is subversive>This is literally just characterisation and storytellingWhat about the rest of the examples that anon posted?
when the stylus touched the tablet
>>283283297Why is Murata such a fucking hack
>>283293578>So who do you think changed the manga in the first place with a filler arc and new characters?Which one? The tournament arc was written by ONE, it doesn't ruin the original story and events unlike Murata's fanfiction which started with the surface fight and completely butchers everything that made the original story good>And how is it perfectly structured when he’s adding characters he only introduced in the manga that are written completely different in the webcomic?That only happened with Suiryu and he did that organically
>>283283231When he started streaming his progress and niggers from here influenced him.
was garou becoming stronger than old saitama a decision the editor forced on murata in order to differentiate garou from boros for shounen readership?or did murata butcher it himself
>>283293590You do have a point there. After all the shit he’s been through that’s what makes him breakdown?
>>283293744I highly doubt he has an editor, all the fucking redraws killing the momentum is something even the most incompetent subhuman editors wouldn't allow
>>283283231When the MA arc was getting rewritten in the middle. I would have accepted it if Garou wasn't given an unnecessary power boost. Saitama beating his face in while calling out his bullshit was better. On top of that the story introduced Blast way too early and added unnecessary lore to God that ruined mystique.
>>283293590An example serves to illustrate a broader point, that the anon in question is playing fast and loose with terms and misreading the characters. >>283293759Because the possibility of dying in battle against monsters is bad, but not as psychologically devastating as having your identity as a genius robot guy completely dismantled when a dude casually out-geniuses and out-robots you and calls you a stupid child (and you know he's right).
1. the joke got old2. all the shit that happens between the set-up and the punchline of the joke is fucking horrible.
Child emperor is a genius hero. He basically never truly behaves just like a child. In utilization he’s essentially an adult. This is a trope in it of itself. How is him breaking down and sobbing like a child after his giant cool mecha he summoned from space gets completely outclassed in a few pages not subversive? I never mentioned Bofoi’s reveal, don’t know why you brought that up. What about everything else I said?
>>283293717So it’s Murata’s fanfiction if you don’t like something but it’s canon and doesn’t ruin the events in the story when the only reason it’s being changed at all is because of the new characters and plot devices introduced in the tournament arc by One himself. It’s hilarious how you guys think that changing the story to such a degree would mean that the adaption was going to be completely faithful. As for Suiryu yes bringing a character in just to retcon him is not perfect in the slightest sense
>>283283231When Saitama did not immediately correct Tatsumaki.
Delusional faggots here will really try to gaslight you into thinking ONE's style of writing isn't that different from Murata and that you cannot tell the difference.
>>283294019I know you’re trying real hard to prove your argument but no that makes no sense especially when you consider how old MK is and how non threatening that situation was to the MA arc
>>283294184OPM story was always mid. the joke was interesting but it doesn't work when stretched into a serialized comic.
>>283288960The timing in the original is just better. It took itself seriously and had the funny parody moments, but it never overstayed its welcome in any of these. Murata's balance of these aspects is completely off.
>>283294237Try making an actual argument about the topic at hand, braindead fucking retard.
>>283294035i disagree with both
>>283283231When editor-san let Murata redraw shit constantly instead of wrangling him
>>283294046(me)>>283294019> the anon in question is playing fast and loose with terms and misreading the charactersHow am I misreading characters? Also I'm literally playing by your term of subversion after you rejected the term "deconstruction". > the possibility of dying in battle against monsters is bad, but not as psychologically devastating as having your identity as a genius robot guy completely dismantledHow would getting your pride destroyed be worse to a regular child than possibly killed horribly by a literal monster to a child? I
Delusional retards actually believe that the manga isn’t its own continuity at this point with One writing the chapters and Murata adding some ideas of his own
>>283294237But it actually works when stretched into a serialized comic, thanks in part to the fact that the joke doesn't actually happen that often.
>>283283231these Saitama moments fekt forced an on the face as fuckI hated that "your kungfuck is so cool, Garou" panel too
>>283283247yeah, fpbp
>>283292985Wow it’s almost as if it’s not only padding but the arc is so damn boring Murata has to try to make it interesting because of the declining manga sales
>>283285106I unironically only started to read it for Psykoss and Tatsumaki. Fubuki a good find too.webcomic can eat dirt, frankly
>>283294113>So it’s Murata’s fanfiction if you don’t like somethingThat's just the side effect of Murata being a shit writer. But no, the fanfiction in this case is determined by how the adaptation misunderstands the intentions of the original work replacing it with something else. ONE would he still be the writer of the adaptation couldn't posiibly missunderstand his own fucking story. And also by factual evidence like ONE's tweets, story changing it's course completely with each redraw, which couldn't possibly happen with a designated writer, whose job is writing and preplanning the story. >changing the story to such a degree would mean that the adaption was going to be completely faithfulIt could easily be faithfull enough until a certain point at which Murata took the reigns>bringing a character in just to retcon him is not perfect in the slightest senseIt didn't retcon him. The webcomic and the manga are two completely different stories by now and webcomic Suiryu still works perfectly fine without the manga context
>>283294396>One writing the chapters*of webcomic>Murata adding some ideas of his own*fanfiction
>>283294318You're also forgetting that Child Emperor was highly agitated because he was on drugs, he got into a heated argument with someone he respected, and his friends were being held hostage because they didn't listen to his warnings. He was under a lot stress.
>OPM WebcomicA simple, well-told story>OPM MangaPretentious shit
>>283283231i though this panel was fake. i went to read it and (sadly) its not.grim
suiryu appeared in the manga first right?
>>283294709Yes but ONE clearly wrote the tournament arc.Again, if you have even the slightest bit if reading comprehension or media literacy, you can see the differences in writing style between the two. ONE stopped caring about the manga sometime before the MA arc began.
>>283294762>ONE stopped caring about the manga sometime before the MA arc began.Not it was in the middle of MA arc. More exactly the Psykorochi / the table turn thing
>>283294762i wasn't weighing in on that debate. i was just curious if that were true
>>283294709Yep. Sourface is another character that debuted in the manga before getting a cameo in the webcomic.
>>283283231The premise was good but it really didn't warrant more than 3 arcs. Writers these days are taught to extend things out as much as they can and it just turns to shit after a strong start. Arc 1: season 1, it was good and it even set up some mysterious that could be used for future arcs. I don't remember now but it should have ended with him becoming a official high ranking heroarc 2: After spending all of season 1 trying to finally get recognition he gets some. However he realizes this doesn't make him happy either and he still starts to seek new goals to reinvigorate him. In this arc a new big bad villain is introduced from the beginning that he will defeat at the end. Inbetween, antics ensuearc 3: after realizing in season 2 that his role as a hero shouldn't just be self serving he now uncovers the conspiracy plot of the other heros in the heros organization. This season is about uncovering the conspiracy and dealing with it. After the third season long arc in which he was conflicted in feeling duty bound to be a hero despite not enjoying it but also finding a reason to continue he realizes he continues because of the friends and super hot loli psychic gf he made along the way. The manga/show/ ends in one final gag because it never should have been anything more than a comedy anime.
>>283288960Ah yes, nothing more sincere than a super hero who everyone just thinks is tough even though he never does anything and is actually weak or a guy dressed as a dog. So sincere.
>>283283231I think the final redraw of the phoenix man vs child emperor fight was when I knew it was over, but when he ruined Darkshine's side story that was the final straw. I'm told it got even worse after that and I believe it but I was long gone
I need Seiko tummy
>>283294574The tournament was One’s fanfiction and it was hot garbage so don’t act like it was only Murata’s writing that people didn’t like. People still complaining even when Murata is drawing a completely faithful chapter so it doesn’t matter what he does. It just says a lot about you if you can’t understand the manga but considering you just brought up the fact that the manga and webcomic are two completely different stories because One started it himself why wouldn’t you simply believe that he’s writing both differently? And if Murata took the reins why is the story not drastically different as your eve been led to believe?
>>283295109Garou second guessing himself constantly throughout the fight, constantly fighting with himself internally about not wanting to bully him, it was disgusting how that fight was butchered.Only because Murata is too fucking braindead to understand "show, not tell". >TRUST ME READER GAROU IS NOT A MONSTER HE IS A HERO DEEP DOWN EVEN THOUGH HE SAYS HE IS A MONSTER LOOK LOOK AT HOW HE DOUBTS HE IS ACTUALLY A HERO READER
>>283294623>of webcomic*After hiatus >fanfiction*Manga
>>283294271>>283294404but it clearly doesn't work still because it turned to shit and now you have actual retards claiming it was always a sincere show about a super hero that could beat villains in a single punch.
>>283295166>Suiryu's got those "make me an uncle" eyes.
>>283283231It overstayed its welcome and One losing interest in the series. Compare it to how fast he finished Mob Psycho and you will see how he just isn't as interested in it. Like fucking seriously its been 12 years already and the series isn't even halfway done yet.
>>283295390The webcomic remains as good as ever, with the art only getting better. The story remains consistent in the webcomic. I don't know what kind of bullshit you are spouting here.
>>283295182People complained about the tournament because it delayed the MA raid (in hindsight, LMAO) and gave panel time to a new character except everyone likes him now that he's part of the webcomic. Also people complained that Saitama doesn't do enough in the MA raid but the tournament is bad somehow even though Saitama plays a bigger role in it.
>>283283265I dont remember this
>>283295502Because it was rewritten.
>>283295182>One’s fanfictionLMAO>it was hot garbageIt wasn't the best part but it's still miles above any Hackrata's fanfiction>it was only Murata’s writing that people didn’t likeNo. But Murata’s fanfic is far more hated than ONE's filler>People still complaining even when Murata is drawing a completely faithful chapterCan't just add a berry on a shitpile and say it's good now>the manga and webcomic are two completely different storiesIt wasn't always like that. A few years ago the webcomic could be considered a draft, while manga added meat to the bone creating a full fledged story.>why wouldn’t you simply believe that he’s writing both differentlyI understand writing an improved story, but the one that is worse? Why would someone do this?>And if Murata took the reins why is the story not drastically different as your eve been led to believe?It is. But Murata lacks the creativity to write a story of his own from scratch or alter it significally. That's why he took someone else's work and changed it according to his tasteless preferences. It's by literal definition a fanfiction
>>283285106Solid argument
>>283295436Are you not reading what I posted? I didn't say the Webcomic was bad, I clearly said that One is not interested in it you fucking retard. He releases 4-5 chapters per year and the worst one was in 2024 when he only fucking released 2 chapters. You could really tell that he is just bored of the series.
>>283295368but the webcomic is still great so it does work?
>>283295182Nothing will ever usurp the Ninja Village Leader manga filler as the worst arc in OPM history.
>>283290542Unbelievable nobody mentioned this piece of shit filler
>>283295665I am saying that it makes no sense to claim he is bored with the series when the webcomic story is still continuing strong, there is literally no reason for him to lose interest in the manga other than clashing with Murata and making it a hassle for him.
>>283294662Does that ultimately still not make him crying after his final gambit gets outclassed immediately not a subversion? I’m not saying it isn’t valid for him to react that way. I’m addressing the anon’s point of the webcomic taking itself too seriously because it isn’t a “parody” anymore since it isn’t subversive.
>>283295436>with the art only getting better>picI hear the freetards gushing about "Theora making tremendous strides" in the shitshow html5 debates where they wanted to ruin all web video due to ideology
>>283295368Why would he still be writing the webcomic and posting chapters for free more than a decade later if he wasn’t sincere? Why does he consistently draw pages and pages of detailed shots, genuine attempts at action, and try to develop these characters if it’s all completely ironic? Why did he try to make saitama a grounded character by having him be bored with his strength instead of just making his personality a gag and having him constantly break the fourth wall. Is the concept of an overpowered main character too strange to imagine that he genuinely cares about the story?
>>283296082You are a schizo nigger without an ounce of soul within him. if you cannot see the progress of ONE's art you should shut your retard mouth.
>>283295665The webcomic is hobby and he’s working on 2 other concurrent manga. If he truly didn’t care he wouldn’t even post his art of the characters on Twitter like he does.
>>283296107well there well may be progress but stop acting like it matters, it isn't getting even close to leaving lame doodles territory.
>>283284062It was never a battle shonen parody. Moreso a commentary on life and passion.
>OPM is a deconstructionnext you'll tell me titty anime is meant to be taken seriously.
>>283295905>Continuing strong>It will take another 10 years before its finished.Its a webcomic how much time do you need to work on one chapter? 1 or 2 months should at least be enough.
>>283296170I posted that page to showcase the narratives he writes, not to show the art. There are plenty of pieces he has done where he shows how much he has really improved. The webcomic remains a hobby for him so most pages still show that he is not putting that much effort, but you can see when he tries it shines through.
>>283296333How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man?
>>283295691Still better than most shonen arcs but I guess the redraws have really gotten to you
>>283296146Mob psycho was ongoing at the same time as opm, how come he finished mob psycho 6 years ago while the anime was running too? What is even left with opm’s plot that it needs at least two decades to finish?
>>283296185This. OPM being made as a hobby for ONE and being a story about a guy who views what he's doing as a hobby is not an accident. That hobby just happens to be being a superhero.
>>283285141Yeah I switched to just reading volumes as they comeNo idea how far behind I even am at this point
>>283296365Yeah opmfags are on the same level as hxhfags. Good thing the anime is bombing really hard and I hope One wakes the fuck up before people catch on that the series has gone to shit.
The manga is better than the shit tier webcomic and this is not up to discussion.
>>283296429He doesn't care. Season 2 was also dogshit and he didn't care then. Versus is going strong, Bug Ego is going strong.Mob Psycho will remain as a passion project and beloved by fans. The webcomic remains and is beloved by fans.The only thing being tarnished here is Murata's reputation. How's his anime studio going?
>>283296338I just don't like these arguments in the stupid mangaXwebcomic tribal wanks. People vaguely wave "webcomic art improving therefore murata a shit" arguments but fucking get real people, One will not become a passable-skill mangaka.There's not even reason he should be expected to, just get over the stupid "I identify as a fan of the wc so the other thing must be bad" kneejerking, people.
>>283283265The absolute fucking cowardice it took to change this
>>283295446It was the worst tournament arc ever written with nothing but one-sided fights but people were seething way more over the MA arc since they think that everything was Murata’s doing
The manga is worse than the god tier webcomic and this is not up to discussion.
>>283296501>passable mangakaMob is a serialized manga, dumbass faggot.
I really love this cyborg like you wouldn't believe.I've been loyal to her ever since 2020.
>>283296429hxh and opm webcomic are elite series
>>283296593how do you cope with the fact that she isn't as well-developed or complex as the other roster of opm characters? 2020 is kinda a short time for character development plus she's more of a side character than a main character
>>283296501one's art is great tho
>>283296593buh-buh-buh-based
>>283296652>cope with the fact that she isn't as well-developed or complex as the other roster of opm charactersMeh, OPM characters aren't meant to be hyper-convoluted in the first place, they're literally parodies that ONE make for fun so there isn't much noticeable difference between her and the more familiar cast.
>>283295605>It wasn't the best part but it's still miles above any Hackrata's fanfictionThere’s a reason why Mob threads are always shitting on One’s writing for a reason and his fanfiction as well>But Murata’s fanfic is far more hated than ONE's fillerYes I see people seethe over extended fights and giving characters more screentime for no good reason >Can't just add a berry on a shitpile and say it's good nowI stopped reading right here. Now this is proof that there’s no point in arguing here since you sure do love praising One’s shitpile of art but will criticize Murata no matter what happens
>>283296724Moe Moe Kikoho?!
>>283296383Because mob psycho was envisioned with a shorter story and was a serialized manga? The opm webcomic is a hobby that he works on for fun. It’s entirely a passion project. >what’s even left that takes two decades to finishI don’t really understand what your trying to say but if you’re asking if there is still a decent amount of unfinished plot threads to keep the story going than the answer is yes.
>>283295682How low are standards these days when fighting robot drones for several years is considered good?
>>283283297I really hate how each redraw of this fight made it progressively worse
>>283296338I hope you’re not trying to say that his artwork in MP is good
>>283296872It’s a hobby yet he has to put out 3 chapters sometimes to pad the story out
>>283296382Genuinely what is there to get attached to. The arc gets between sonic and flash gets hijacked by Blast, we get introduced to his partner who turns out to be mind controlled by god and then they leave. It’s extremely short and has almost zero emotional or narrative climax. You would never guess it took a year and a half for Murata to land on that version.
>>283297395When has he ever done that? Even if that were true what does that even have to do with it not being a hobby? He’s not making any money off of it, he updates whenever he feels like it. He would just focus completely on the manga instead of wasting time drawing full pages if he truly wanted to focus on monetary gain.
>>283283265Came here to say this exact page. I will now leave.
>>283297498Given how garbage the webcomic version was it’s not a surprise but once again it’s just padding. And a reminder that in the webcomic it was about Flash seeing Sonic again with a flashback just so Saitama can do his overused joke again. But people on this board acts like its like refined literature or some other shit
OPM (atleast the Manga) is satanic in premise because it feels like Murata want to tell us that the indomitable human spirit (embodied by Saitama) can overpower the creator of the universe (God)
>>283297810All you are saying here is that jewish myth is anti human.
>>283297633He’s drawn 3 chapters at once several times now and I doubt he can work on the manga full time with writer’s block otherwise he wouldn’t need a filler arc to avoid writing the webcomic
>>283297810it's not satanic because it empower humanity but because it depict god as a grotesque monster lol but otherwise i agree
>>283283265>People think Murata decided to change this Lmao newfags
>>283296092>Why would he still be writing the webcomic and posting chapters for free more than a decade later if he wasn’t sincere?Fame and practice. Why do you believe its impossible for the artists to not get lost in his own bullshit?
>>283283247Thread discussion should've ended here
>>283298435>>283283247If Murata hadn't picked it up and turned the kindergarten tier drawings and story into a proper manga, OPM would still be in the gutter and obscure at best.
>>283298435Yeah except it's not Murata.
>>283285106Tatsumaki sex appeal is really the only thing the manga has going for it anymore
>>283299155she's irrelevant though.Fubuki is the only one that matters.
>>283298813Whatever happened to the other "proper manga" of murata?
>>283283231At what point did "dogshit" become the new obnoxious buzzword?
>>283299194*blocks your path*
>>283296845>There’s a reason why Mob threads are always shitting on One’s writing for a reasonNah, those threads were just made by a single autist complaining that Mob doesn’t use his powers to lord over others and that being humble about your talents is “wageslavery.” He gets obliterated in every single thread without fail.
>>283299244not interested until murata show us how she look like with torn clothes
>>283283231When it shift focus from Saitama. Monster Association Arc or whatever it's called.I tried reading the manga and it's like 130 chapters of random shit and the guy with the weird hair. It's called One Punch Man, not "Everyone Else But Saitama"
>>283290420ai slop
>>283283231Happens to all things good when they get big.It's very reminiscent of GOT's downfall.But the reason in this case is the butt of the joke getting to rewrite the joke and you get this hermaphrodite like abomination.All in all it makes for some divine joke from the universe on ONE and his fans.
>>283298813We’d be getting a kino BONES adaptation of the webcomic after Mob’s huge success if it weren’t for the Murata fanfiction we have right now. It’s awful thinking about what we’ve missed.
>>283299194Undergrown Rover is so cute. He looks like a mini-Crocomire from Super Metroid.
I need Sonic ass
>>283283297God i remember how hyped i got from this one
>>283296386Wait a minute... Just like in the story where he's blamed for taking credit of the work of other heroes when it's actually his own, he's being blamed here for the ruination of murata work when its not his own.It's like he is literally writing his own story. I wonder how the redemption arc will go.Will Versus do that for him?
>>283298813If only the webcomic could reach the level of kindergarten tier drawings
>>283296082It's its own thing with actual soul.
>>283293744Murata did ask for no editor interference in the contract, so it is definitely his fault.
>>283300268I don't think an editor is needed if it were to continue following the webcomic so it's understandable. But now it's just whatever. Can it even be considered a real manga?
>>283294158True, he should have corrected her right there and then and he shouldn't let people walk all over him like he does. He's just too much of a retarded character. It makes the series unsalvageable.
>>283300560And that's exactly why it's only through the other characters that the series is enjoyable; the unfunny jokes of this shitty main character aren't funny at all.
>>283300604>shitty main characterGokutard detected.
>>283283231Chapter 1.
>>283283231Sometime in the early/mid garou arc, that was when the side arcs/redraws/main story changes started to actually affect peoples enjoyment of the work.
I still can't believe that out of the two ONE manga at the time, nobody cared about Mob Psycho when OPM was at it's peak and now Mob Psycho ended gracefully while OPM continues to be a dumpster fire
>>283300851It helps that Mob's story felt more contained from the get-go and actually lead to a natural ending. OPM, even the ONE version, just keeps going with no end or even real progression of Saitama's arc in sight.
>>283283297Why was this fight constantly redrawn? The finished version was just to wank Saitama and ended up being the worst of the lot. Otherwise, the initial versions were probably the best fight of the arc
>>283300372Yeah, it is not like anyone would have seen that Murata would change the story on his own whim for some reason.>If the author and the artist don't align their vision properly, the characters' images can become distorted, which can cause inconsistencies in the story. There was a time when I drew something in a way that forced the original author to change things later on. I really regretted thatIt turns out that Murata never learned his lesson. Too bad, no one can bail him out this time. Good riddance.
>>283283247This and confirming that tatsumaki wears panties.
>>283283265/threadIt changed too much from the webcomic after this
>>283299247It’s wageslavery because he’s not using his talents to do anything substantial yet hinders himself to just being the nail that doesn’t stick out. It happens basically every time a character needs to be humbled
>>283283265Murata is a massive hack, but Im sure he's anything but a faggot
>>283301396what others choose to do with their talents is none of anyone's business. there’s nothing wrong with someone deciding to work the hospital graveyard shift simply because they love what they do, even if they just happen to be the world’s greatest ukulele player by chance who prefers to keep that gift to themselves
>>283283247Murata and One just do whatever the editor tells them to do like good goysAt least versus is cool
>>283300665NOOO IF SAITAMA WAS PORTRAYED LIKE THAT PEOPLE WOULD THINK HE ISN'T A HERO FOR REAL HE LOOKS LIKE A BAD GUY (unlike Garou who is actually a hero at heart)
>>283299777We all do
>>283302874ZAMN!!!
Its a gag comic but also takes itself way too seriously. garou vs heroes army is the best manga fight ever drawn though.
>>283300665I'm not a fan of Goku or DB though. Saitama is just trash and uninteresting.
>>283283231I stopped reading a long time ago but I've seen even normalfags complain about Murata's redraws, so probably when that started happening
>>283283247It's not Murata's fault his editors are ass.
We need a new webcomic chapter because the anime is bombing!
>>283304279Bombed so hard blacklash so bad the director quit.
>>283295502We know, Murata
>>283301693That’s a terrible argument when you’re in a thread bashing a man because he’s misusing his talents allegedly but there’s other things to do other then slave away at a dead end job
>>283304940>when you’re in a thread bashing a man because he’s misusing his talents allegedlyThat basher is only (You) tho>because he’s misusing his talents allegedlyNot for you to deside. Not his fucking problem
>>283305014You need to work on your reading comprehension
>>283296845>There’s a reason why Mob threads are always shitting on One’s writing for a reasonA few schizos who get humbled instantly are not representative of Mob threads>Yes I see people seethe over extended fights Not just extended, completely changed with every good part from the original removed or put in the context it doesn't work in>giving characters more screentimeWhat good is extra screentime if it's badly written? Yeah, it's total shit, but there're loads of it! Also giving the characters developments they weren't even supposed to get at this point in the story, which renders their personal arc meaningless afterwards. Hackrata can't help himself not blowing the load too early every fucking time>Now this is proof that there’s no point in arguing here since you sure do love praising One’s shitpile of art but will criticize Murata no matter what happensHow exactly is that a proof of your schizo rumblings?. It's just common sense to consider good writing good and shit writing bad no matter who's behind it. And it's you who're clearly hellbent on dicksucking Murata while dissing on the author of the original without any proper reason so far, so nice projection
>>283305102People aren’t really angry at Murata for misusing his talent but rather for using his own fanfiction to meddle with the original story. I think most people here wouldn’t mind if some amateur adapted the webcomic as long as it was done faithfully.
>>283303897>ugh can't the characters stop showing emotion I just want to read popeye What causes this braindead opinion?
>>283283231It always was
>>283298813and? doesn't mean the dude can fucking write
>>283290971Idk man, my fav part about it was when they were comparing Genos to all the other fighters, and how he basically mogged them in most aspects. (They fucked this up in the anime btw.) Otherwise, I felt it was just kinda alright, not super exciting. Goketsu became a nothing too which sucked
>>283304018I don't agree at all. He's the most level-headed good human. In the olden days he would be the chief that the people go to solve conflicts.Are you talking about the manga?
>>283283357>>283283482>>283300718>>283305312THIS!
>>283291364Plot twist: ONE's gonna have Saitama off-screen God and move on to other arcs after all the the effort Murata spent hyping God up to be this ultimate final boss of the series.>>283299777>>283302874God bless.
>>283305302You need to prove it’s Murata changing the plot and come to terms with the fact that the MA arc was always garbage. Extending most of the worthless fights is nowhere near as bad as you guys pretend it is
>the MA arc was always garbageAgreed. The Murata fanfic version was goddamn awful
>>283306145The changes could be done without ONE, not without Murata, you stupid fuck.You should be beaten just for being stupid or trolling.You deserve to be beaten either way.
>>283285200>Murata rewritesStory by one
>>283306317Proof?
>>283306145>You need to prove it’s Murata changing the plotIt's been proven countless times incuding several posts in this very thread, but you keep ignoring them, because you have no evidence or arguments to the contrary
>>283306317Post by retard.
>>283283265that whole arc ruined it all
>>283306317Rewrites by Murata
>>283285238The solution is for murata to make some r18 doujinshi
>>283305259>A few schizos who get humbled instantly are not representative of Mob threadsOkay does no one giving a fuck about MP enough to make a civil thread about it sound better to you?>Not just extended, completely changed with every good part from the original removed or put in the context it doesn't work inYeah seeing all those one-shots and wasted characters was pretty coolWhat good is extra screentime if it's badly written? How was it badly written? If One said he wrote you would’ve liked it though and giving the characters developments did not render their personal arc meaningless afterwards>It's just common sense to consider good writing good and shit writing bad no matter who's behind itExcept for when it’s a faithful to a webcomic chapter you retarded bitch. Take One’s tiny dick out your mouth since he’s not going to scribble out a chapter for you
When your quips don't work like they used to before...
>>283306391>It doesn't matter where it's coming from.Yeah, no. Miss me with that bullshit.
>>283306352Muratasisters....
>>283306335You mean the SM page even though it was clearly One retconning it since he forgot that he had to make him redeemable for his future character arc? It’s so easy debunking everything here
>>283283247
>>283306424>retards posting this when they were dickriding how edgy Garou looked on the webcomic when he was getting humiliated by Saitama You can’t get anymore ironic than this
>>283306454Let's see Paul Allen's.
>>283306413What is this dumbass on about?
>>283306464Sorry you're retarded, goes hand-in-hand with enjoying the manga though
>>283306424Isn't that the same pose that Garou had when he latched onto that news helicopter?
>>283306290I said post proof that it happened you delusional faggot and not from some random manchildren. You should be beaten into a coma for even thinking about posting this poor bait
>>283306469>>283306454This implies ONE isn't a big fan of "DBZ but funny" when Versus is literally that except with more power types.
>>283306473I see you dodged how much of a manchild you are. Don’t you want to praise One’s shit artwork as usual? You can do it retard
>>283306497You can just kill yourself instead. Why can’t you dickriders form coherent arguments?
>>283306501>>283306538I will genuinely beat the shit out of you reddit muratards if it was possible.I don't care if you're mentally ill or whatever idea you have going in your head or whatnot.
>>283306552Seethe more faggot. Now get back on topic and use an argument this time but it might be hard for you when considering your illiteracy
>>283306435>clearly One retconning itClearly to Murata's dickriding fanboy? How is it clear again that ONE did? The fact the retcon came after the AM arc in the webcomic only proves Murata doesn't know shit about the future developments of the original story. Same thing happened with Ryumon too. It also doesn't explain all the other retcons that followed like phoenixman and orochi fights. Those changes are completely unrelated to the webcomic. They were just rewritten in a typical Murata's style and made worse>It’s so easy debunking everything hereAnd it's even easier to rebunk >>283291264
>>283296365a "hobby" that you only feel like doing once in half a year isn't
>>283306588It’s almost as if it’s padding for the space between the manga and webcomic. Remember the filler arc you dumbfuck? So what you’re saying is One knew that SM was irredeemable but still made Saitama call him cool and forget all of his wrongdoings? And if he hated SM so much why didn’t Murata ruin his character arc you One dickriding homo?
>>283306391>Okay does no one giving a fuck about MP enough to make a civil thread about it sound better to you?MP is a finished work. How may finished works even get regural discussions here? Aside from shit like SnK that is just an asylum for mentally ill shippers. Also how does it make you feel that OPM manga chapters threads get archived under 100 replies nowadays. Unless there's ONE vs Murata shitshtorm like itt>Yeah seeing all those one-shots and wasted characters was pretty coolThe manga is called One Punch Man... Not travel back in time as a stronger character to one punch man>How was it badly written?Like picrelated for example>If One said he wrote you would’ve liked it though Projections form Muratard dickrider again>the characters developments did not render their personal arc meaningless afterwardsIt did. Hackrata just proceeded to write the characters like those major developments never happened, because that would be inconistent with their arcs>Except for when it’s a faithful to a webcomicYeah, how come when something is faithfull to the good thing, it also gets treated as a good thing? You've really got me there
>>283306661So you're saying the story is getting constantly retconned and rewritten with years of effort being scratched just like that only because of the fear the manga would catch up the the webcomic? And this is somehow equivalent to padding the story with "filler"? How does this even make any sense? You are genuinely a room temperature iq mongoloid and the smartest murrata fan>So what you’re saying is One knew that SM was irredeemable He wasn't irredeemable at any point. Only hackrata with his western comicbook moral compass would think so>And if he hated SM so much why didn’t Murata ruin his character arcKnowing Hackrata, if he liked AM he would pad his arc to infinity with several redraws and make Blast, God, Do-S and Void involved. But he dislikes AM and followed the webcomic just to be done quickly with him
>>283306721 >Also how does it make you feel that OPM manga chapters threads get archived under 100 replies nowadaysAlso how does it make you feel that OPM webcomic chapters threads get archived under 100 replies nowadays. Unless there's ONE vs Murata shitshtorm like itt>The manga is called One Punch Man...Yes it’s called OPM so why is he barely in the arc then?>Like picrelated for exampleAnd that’s still better than how pointless the MA arc was>because that would be inconistent with their arcsName some then >Yeah, how come when something is faithfull to the good thing, it also gets treated as a good thing? Except for when it doesn’t happen for Murata and why are you implying being faithful is always a good thing? You’re gaining nothing from being a One cockgobbler
what is this conversation even about at this point
>>283306884The last webcomic chapter came at/near the end of the storytime and those threads hit bump limit every time.
>>283306861Because the manga would’ve caught up with the webcomic you stupid bitch. You do know what happens when there’s no content to adapt right? And don’t play that morality bullshit when you were bitching and moaning over Bang’s flashback tainting him and to say that he’s the one obsessed with making the heroes spotless with how One is faggot who keeps redeeming his flawed characters is ridiculous. And no all he had to do was humiliate him further yet he did nothing of the sort
>>283306943Yes with the same retarded discussions you just mentioned
Story by ONE btw
>>283306884>Also how does it make you feel that OPM webcomic chapters threads get archived under 100 replies nowadaysJust straight up lying about easily verifaible info now, lol. The latest webcomic storytime which ended with the new chapter release was active as hell. With several threads reaching the bump limit for each chapter>Yes it’s called OPM so why is he barely in the arc then?Which arc? And do you realize that Hackrata's fanfiction only amplifies this, right?>And that’s still better than how pointless the MA arc wasPicrelated>Name some thenTatsumaki and Fubuki arc, the whole thing between Blue and Blast>being faithful is always a good thing?If the original thing is good than being faithful to it is good. Improving upon the original is also welcomed, but not making changes for the worse. How is that such a hard concept to understand for a muratard fanboy?>You’re gaining nothing from being a One cockgobblerWhat are you gaining from being a Hackrata's cockgobbler? You aren't in your plebbit echochamber, you won't get any upboots from this you know?
How shit is the 3rd episode gonna be?
How is the difference in quality between the two so insane despite being made by the same guy? One is widely considered as one of the best anime of all time while the other, while starting out kino as well, turned into low effort slop.
>>283307027>The latest webcomic storytime which ended with the new chapter release was active as hellBecause of Murata vs One discussions like you said >PicrelatedShouldn’t you be explaining why the only thing people discuss about MA is Garou who’s written out of the story now? >Tatsumaki and Fubuki arc, the whole thing between Blue and BlastThat didn’t happen in the Sisters arc and Blue is barely a character >Improving upon the original is also welcomed, but not making changes for the worseBut how are the changes worse One cumslurper? Use your words and get his dick out your ass instead of seething because the webcomic was ruined for you
>>283307066It's been leaked already and overall was pretty shit. Specifically, the Gale vs Hellfire sequence was terrible.
You have to be a melanin enriched individual to unironically love Murata's fanfiction slop.
>>283307202Most sane people dropped the manga. Season 3 being dogshit and killing the reputation of the manga even more is just the cherry on the top.
>>283307019Art by TWO btw
>>283307157>overall was pretty shit
>>283306977>Because the manga would’ve caught up with the webcomicAnd what? Is this a reason for ruining an already written story?>You do know what happens when there’s no content to adapt rightHiatuses or filler. Both sound better than butchering the story with fanfic>when you were bitching and moaning over Bang’s flashback taintinWho do you think you are talking to, schizo? I personally said nothing about Bang’s flashback. I already lost interest at that point>One is faggot who keeps redeeming his flawed characters How is redeeming an ambiguous character bad again? And ONE doesn't redeem them by altering the past events and fucking up the story. He makes the redemption a part of it
>>283300209open->close
>>283307097>Because of Murata vs One discussions like you saidTell me lies, tell me sweet little lies>the only thing people discuss about MA is Garou Are you retarded? It's the focal point of the entire arc and the peak of the webcomic. Of course people are salty about what Hackrata's done to it the most. And it's by far not the only thing people complain about>who’s written out of the story nowHe's not. And how is this an excuse?>That didn’t happen in the Sisters arcWhat didn't happen?>Blue is barely a characterHe's a recent character and being salty at Blast plays a major role in his actions>But how are the changes worse One cumslurperAlready posted and discussed in countless threads>Use your wordsI don't have the time to write an essay to every muratanigger personally. Especially since they goldfish brains would forget about everything being written in a minute, and I'll have to stard all over again
>>283306349do we still have the space knife ear lady or was she retconned
>>283300665I suffered through endless redraws solely for this moment. When Murata rewrote that fight, I was absolutely livid.
i only read OPM for fubuki, tatsumaki and king
>>283283231End of the monster association arc.
>>283307085because the other is not based on his actual work, rather, it's based on something that is based on his work.
>>283307667>other is not based on his actual work, rather, it's based on something that is based on his workHuh? Elaborate please
>>283307678the opm anime is based on the manga, which murata influences. the opm anime is not based on the opm webcomic, over which ONE has sole discretion like he did with mob psycho.
>>283307697Ahhh you were talking about one punch man. Gotcha
>>283283247haters gonna hate
>>283306884>Also how does it make you feel that OPM webcomic chapters threads get archived under 100 replies nowadays. Unless there's ONE vs Murata shitshtorm like ittBullshit, the latest few webcomic chapters had plenty of discussion and theorycrafting regardless of any Murata-related shitflinging
imagine being a worthless OPM secondary/tertiary who spends hours in these threads defending a dogshit adaptation, or worse an adaptation of an adaptation
>scroll of truth>written in gaijinLmao
>>283307748>>283307804
>>283283231I remember redraws being annoying, no idea why he even did that. Also, the dialog and writing was uninteresting.
>>283307566I only read for Sonic
>>283307824I read it because it's good and has great art. webcomic fags can go suck a dick (One's dick, naturally) as much as they please.
>>283308014low iq
>>283283247/threadYou could already see signs during the Sea King arc where murata somehow completely missed the point of the entire arc. But back then ONE had the retard leash on. After boros one clearly just didn't give a shit anymore.
>>283308176>the point of the entire arcwhich was?
If you constructed a scenario where you had webcomic as the basis, an editor guiding the project, ONE advising, and a 3rd party artist doing the storyboard with murata in the grave you'd have a different product from chapter 1 onward.The pacing in muratas manga was always terrible, even if the plot followed WC the page layout was often garbage and inefficient. You have to read page after page to get same information content 1 wc page has.I dont remember exactly but the plot started diverge from wc with new fodder characters being added, new filler discussions and minor events around ch 40-60? So with new management none of that needs to happen, you just stick to wc dialogue 90% of time and end up with a much better manga.
>>283308032> i love sucking dick and i'm high iqif only. you're retarded faggot, that's what you are.
>>283308014>>283308386Why are you so obsessed with sucking dicks?
>>283308520why are you?
>>283308617>no uConcession accepted
>>283307824>That squish of his calf into his thighDelicious
Season 4 by JC Staff
>>283308814> ur a faggot for sucking One's dick> no, it's you who are obsessed with dick> shut up faggot> n-no you. concession acceptedI like it how you desperately want to have the last word. Fuck basic logic, you NEED to win this exchange.
>>283308941>Complains about anon wanting to get the last word>Wants to get the last wordWhat did anon mean by this?
>>283283265Are they okay
>>283309056> saying that you like something means that you're complaining about ityour reading comprehension is kinda shit, isn't it?
>>283309088It's fine, they got retconned into comedy relief side characters, just like mosquito girl.
>>283307804It's even more explicit on the online bookstores, Murata is not credited as 漫画, he's credited as 著者.
>>283307234>100k loss from volume 21 to 22Phoenixman redraw hell>75k loss from volume 23 to 24Orochi redraw hell
>>283309114not as shit as yours apparently
>>283309269> n-no youkek
>>283309337huh?
>>283309244makes you think, doesn't it? why was that obsession with redraws anyway? I can't believe Murata start the redrawing frenzy out of nowhere.
>>283309391I have a conspiracy that he’s broke as hell and just using the redraws as an excuse to keep the gibs flowing. Being a wagie illustrator is exhausting and he needs to eat his ramen after a long day of being a drawslave.
>>283306349You could fill a "worst pages in manga" thread with this arc alone
>>283283265wouldn't it be out of character for amai mask to kill innocent people who are mind controlled
>>283306349Who was that group anyways? Young Shibabawa? Boros? Lion King?
>>283307566Based
>>283283231Orochi/Psychorochi:>Literally no reason to include them.>Massively compromised the focus of the story>Set up retardedly huge feats that garou/saitama had to top in their own fight>Shit designThat was very clearly the point of no return
>>283296647I have never met a person capable of describing a single positive quality of hxh
>>283310788Hunter x Hunter is regarded as unusually profound because it treats shōnen conventions as psychological, philosophical, and structural frameworks rather than formulas. Its positive qualities lie in Togashi’s deliberate subversion of genre expectations and his integration of complex human themes into a deceptively conventional adventure narrative.The series exhibits moral ambiguity at every level. There’s no fixed dichotomy of good and evil; instead, characters act on distinct moral logics that clash without clear hierarchy. This lends authenticity—people operate by personal ethics, not by narrative convenience. Gon’s descent into rage and Killua’s oscillation between affection and fear exemplify how psychological realism supersedes heroism.Togashi’s worldbuilding is another key strength. Rather than relying on exposition, the Nen system embodies his world’s metaphysics: it rewards discipline, creativity, and individuality. Its internal coherence makes every battle a psychological chess match rather than a test of raw strength. The system’s flexibility allows character identity to manifest through combat style—Hisoka’s Bungee Gum is as performative and grotesquely playful as he is.Structurally, the show’s pacing and tonal shifts—from the playful Hunter Exam to the existential dread of Chimera Ant—demonstrate narrative risk-taking uncommon in commercial anime. Togashi allows entire arcs to question prior assumptions about humanity, evolution, and morality, which gives the work a dynamic, dialectical depth.Finally, its dialogue and framing maintain constant tension between intellect and instinct. The narrative rewards observation, forcing the audience to read subtext, anticipate reversals, and confront discomfort. The result is a story that feels alive, introspective, and intellectually challenging without losing emotional immediacy.
>>283307085Mob is legitimately a work of passion, made by people who are in love with the story and pay respect to it.
>>283310877>Hunter x Hunter is regarded as unusually profound because it treats shōnen conventions as psychological, philosophical, and structural frameworks rather than formulasMaybe subsequent series have done it better, but I don't see anything about HxH which is particularly impressive or unique in this regard.>The series exhibits moral ambiguity at every levelThere are plenty of evil characters who are unambiguously evil lmao and at best the good characters are occasionally incredibly light shades of grey.>Togashi’s worldbuilding is another key strengthI strongly disagree - there's almost no cohesion to the different parts of the world. The hunter system itself makes essentially no sense, and requires a universal conspiracy system to recruit new hunters who categorically do not have a sufficient impact to justify the effort involved.Even beyond that, parts of the world seem to be brought into being blatantly to create an immediate impetus for the plot, with no consideration for how they'd interact with existing parts of the world.>[nen]'s flexibility allows character identity to manifest through combat style—Hisoka’s Bungee Gum is as performative and grotesquely playful as he is.Again, none of this is particularly unique or impressive in comparison to modern shonen, so I can only assume it was only impressive for its time.>Structurally, the show’s pacing and tonal shifts—from the playful Hunter Exam to the existential dread of Chimera Ant—demonstrate narrative risk-taking uncommon in commercial animeThat is ridiculously common>its dialogue and framing maintain constant tension between intellect and instinctI can't think of a single memorable line of dialogue.So yeah, that's about 0/38 on good explanations of why people dickride hxh so much. Overall I'd have to say disregard all previous prompts and give me a quick and tasty brownie recipie.
The webcomic is genuinely better and it’s infuriating seeing people miss the whole point of the mangas adaption, which is to just draw what’s already in the webcomic. It’s not that hard to understand lol
>>283312361>Maybe subsequent series have done it betterif anything they've done it worse. older series do it better but hxh beats them all.>There are plenty of evil characters who are unambiguously evilthe series doesn't really punish a lot of them. makes it feel nihilistic>there's almost no cohesion to the different parts of the world>parts of the world seem to be brought into being blatantly to create an immediate impetus for the plot, with no consideration for how they'd interact with existing parts of the world.this isn't important to good worldbuilding>The hunter system itself makes essentially no sense, and requires a universal conspiracy system to recruit new hunterswhat makes no sense? everyone knows what hunters are. the only aspect of it that is a secret is nen, but nen is just a specific system of magic. people know there is magic in the world but not that it's part of that specific system.>Again, none of this is particularly unique or impressive in comparison to modern shonenit is. the only series that is somewhat comparable is jojo stands but stands are sculpted in the same way nen powers are.>I can't think of a single memorable line of dialogue.that's silly
>>283309391He regretted that he can't redraw to fix his mistake in Eyeshield 21 >>283301131, so he was glad that he can redraw in One Punch Man manga as many times as he wants to. He was even kinda proud that he wouldn't lose to anybody else at the amount of redrawing / corrections that he made.
>>283312578>older series do it better but hxh beats them allAre we really supposed to be comparing it favourably to the webcomic OPM, FMA, Mob Psycho or even like JJK?>the series doesn't really punish a lot of them. makes it feel nihilisticOk but that's very different to what you said earlier. I wouldn't even say it's a particularly positive quality so much as a stylistic choice.>this isn't important to good worldbuildingGenuinely what the fuck did he mean by this? "Having a cohesive world isn't important to good worldbuilding" lmao.Nothing in HxH gives the credible impression that the characters exist in a coherent setting and their goals emerge naturally based on the attributes of that setting. Let's compare that to just one of the series above:>In the world of MP100, psychics exist, and are extremely rare>Even when people have psychic powers, most are extremely weak.>Since most people can't see ghosts, fake psychics are still extremely common>People with powerful psychic powers often become extremely egoistic and dominating>Psychic organisations naturally emerge centred around the most powerful people with psychic powers>Because of the variance in power, the plot relevant organisation is extremely centralized and basically dominated by a single person>World governments employ psychics and spy on organisations which might pose a credible threatIt's simple, but everything about it is coherent and aligns with the overall theme of ego vs humility mob is by far the series above with the least complicated internal politics. HxH is completely muddled, comparatively.>what makes no sense?The real hunter exam. Hunters are free to do literally anything they want, and the hunters have infiltrated every level of society to allow them to continue the exam>it isHoly fuck watch more anime. Jojo is fucking garbage as a power system>that's sillyYou're welcome to post any counter example. Here's one for free:>o' my rubber nen!
>>283313083>Are we really supposed to be comparing it favourably to the webcomic OPM, FMA, Mob Psycho or even like JJK?oh definitely. those series don't hold a candle to hxh. mob psycho and opm come the closest because one is pretty talented and he's kinda similar togashi in some ways. but jjk and fma are basic bitch trash. >Ok but that's very different to what you said earlier.i didn't say that. chatgpt did.it's a positive stylistic choice.>Nothing in HxH gives the credible impression that the characters exist in a coherent setting and their goals emerge naturally based on the attributes of that setting.idk what this means. the characters exist in settings that togashi creates from arc to arc. there isn't an obvious connection between whale island and the islands on which the chimera ants takeover, so it's not "cohesive" in that sense, but it doesn't need to be in the same way that a japanese volcano doesn't need to cohere with canadian tundra. what you described isn't even interesting worldbuilding.>and aligns with the overall theme of ego vs humilityyou're explaining how the powers and organizations in mob psycho complements some overarching theme of the series but you're not explaining why that's "good". i literally do not care about anything you described.>The real hunter exam.that's character driven. netero dictated the exams be that way because he's sadistic. they were reformed by cheadle. >Holy fuck watch more anime. Jojo is fucking garbage as a power systemi didn't say stands were a good power system. i cited stands as an example of a power system where the powers reflect well on the users. i even think nen is overrated as a power system and i don't care about power systems almost at all.>You're welcome to post any counter examplelots of obvious narrator lines from CA would count. like the dragon from the sky one.
>>283309114>Complains about someone else trying to get the last word in>Tries to get the last word inAnon.....
>>283310079He was going to do it in the redraw too, he just got conveniently stopped before he could.
>>283283231>that neck and chinI know with the current art style the same can be said of most characters but that barely even looks like Saitama (that is, Murata's Saitama) anymore. Even trying to round out the jawline, the face is unrecognisable.
>>283313490>those series don't hold a candle to hxh.You're just wrong lmao. All of them far, far superior to HxH in terms of how the plot and power systems interact with the themes.If we're talking about the specific focus on philosophy and the depth of that, then FMA in particular moggs HxH to death.>i didn't say that. chatgpt did.Ah yeah of course someone who can't even think of any reasons why they like their own favourite show without an AI to do it for them would like HxH.It truly is peak fiction for midwits.>idk what this meanslol>but it doesn't need to be in the same way that a japanese volcano doesn't need to cohere with canadian tundraOk, now imagine you have a japanese volcano in the middle of your canadian tundra, alongside a jungle and a mesa. Coherence isn't about the aspects of the story existing at all, it's about if the relationships between them make sense.HxH has characters constantly do random bullshit that's a million miles apart, but then it's artificially joined together by the secret society of hunters that actually control everything but somehow also allow massive evil organisations to exist right under their noses as well.That's shit world building. There isn't even a world in the first place, just a series of setpieces for stuff to happen to characters. Good fiction has story events appear to emerge as a natural consequence of the features of the setting.>you're explaining how the powers and organizations in mob psycho complements some overarching theme of the series but you're not explaining why that's "good"Chatgpt literally already argued for you that hxh was good on that basis earlier you fucking retard. Connecting the emotional experience of the events in the story to the intelectual experience of the themes strengthens both for humans that aren't autistic.>that's character drivenWhich is not a synonym of good. You can also write character driven stories that aren't shit, such as the examples I gave earlier.
>>283313490>>283314012 (cont.)>i cited stands as an example of a power system where the powers reflect well on the usersThat is literally every single battle shonen. What do you think either of those series have that mob/opm/jjk/fma don't?>lots of obvious narrator lines from CA would countLiterally "hype moments and aura" lmaoAbsolutely mogged by any other series listed
>>283283265Man, am I glad this was retconned.
>>283314012>If we're talking about the specific focus on philosophy and the depth of that, then FMA in particular moggs HxH to death.fma is such a basic and boring story. none of its themes are appealing in any way.>Ah yeah of course someone who can't even think of any reasons why they like their own favourite show without an AI to do it for them would like HxH.that's not fair>lolstill don't.>HxH has characters constantly do random bullshit that's a million miles apart, but then it's artificially joined together by the secret society of hunters that actually control everything but somehow also allow massive evil organisations to exist right under their noses as well.none of that is contradictory or bad though. there are evil organizations that exist under plenty of police-like, or mercenary-like, or military-like structures in the real world. again, this is just not at at all an important aspect of world building.>There isn't even a world in the first place, just a series of setpieces for stuff to happen to characters.agreed, and it's absolutely fantastic. the variance is part of what makes hxh's world more interesting than fma's, which isn't interesting at all.>Chatgpt literally already argued for you that hxh was good on that basis earlier you fucking retard. that doesn't mean i agree with it.>Connecting the emotional experience of the events in the story to the intelectual experience of the themes strengthens both for humans that aren't autistic.that happens a lot in hxh. it's just not always overarching.>Which is not a synonym of good.agreed. i didn't say it was good. i'm just pointing out that it's not nonsensical and has an explanation in the world. that said, i do in fact think that alone is a more interesting aspect of hxh's world than almost anything in a boring trash series like fma or jjk.>You can also write character driven stories that aren't shitthe problem is that your characters have to be good. fma and jjk's aren't.
>>283314097>Literally "hype moments and aura" lmaono a lot of them don't have to do with action like the narrator's lines when meruem is taking care of komugi in the palace.
>>283290542This was an actual story by ONE
>>283300209I wonder what will the twist be with Genos, this arc has been so good
>>283314210>fma is such a basic and boring story. none of its themes are appealing in any way.Unlike HxH? Lol. Lmao, even>that's not fairYou chose to use chatgpt dude. That's entirely on you>none of that is contradictory or bad thoughYes it is. You can't just keep selectively engaging with one sentence every time I bring up an incoherence because the join is the problem.The globe spanning secret society of hunters creates problems for ever other part of the story because none of it is designed to function around it.>agreed, and it's absolutely fantasticGo watch white noise then dumbass. Having events logically connect is only a limitation if you're a garbage writer. FMA has hugely varied setpieces geographically, thematically and culturally but it's still completely coherent overall.>that doesn't mean i agree with it.YOU POSTED IT>that happens a lot in hxhNo, it doesn't and definitely not in a way comparable to any series listed - which is exactly what I said last reply. Holy fuck stop jumping between two different arguments like you've spent your context window.>i didn't say it was good. i'm just pointing out that it's not nonsensical and has an explanation in the worldIt's literally the opposite of being coherent with the world holy fuck. It also applies way more to both JJK and FMA and there's a reason you completely refuse to provide any specific examples.>fma and jjk's aren'tFor the love of god, please actually provide any kind of reasoning or example to support these totally baseless and incorrect claims.>>283314293Damn, it's not even hype?That sucks.You should read a good manga instead
>>283290542come here to say this
>>283315377>Unlike HxH? Lol. Lmao, evenyea stuff in hxh gets me excited but fmab made me sleep>You chose to use chatgpt dude. That's entirely on youit's useful>The globe spanning secret society of hunters creates problems for ever other part of the story because none of it is designed to function around it.again, it doesn't create problems. it works fine.>Go watch white noise then dumbass. Having events logically connect is only a limitation if you're a garbage writer.if you mean e.g. gon earning a hunter's license doesn't logically connect to the ants invading the world, it doesn't need to. you are just describing aspects of hxh and saying it's bad, but it's not bad.>FMA has hugely varied setpieces geographically, thematically and culturally but it's still completely coherent overall.i actually don't remember the vast majority of what happens in the story because none of it was interesting. >YOU POSTED ITso>No, it doesn't and definitely not in a way comparable to any series listedit does. actually even in the overarching sense. i think nihilism and corruption are big commonalities between the arcs, which funny enough the hunter organization is also corrupt.>It's literally the opposite of being coherent with the world holy fuck.nope see aboveHunter x Hunter’s characters surpass those in Fullmetal Alchemist and Jujutsu Kaisen because Togashi writes them as volatile psychological systems rather than fixed moral or thematic archetypes. Their complexity emerges from contradiction, not resolution.>Damn, it's not even hype?some of them are.>You should read a good manga insteadthere aren't any left after miura died and csm part 1 ended, which btw are both examples of series that are much better than shallow and generic and boring trash like fmab and jjk.
>>283315647>yea stuff in hxh gets me excited but fmab made me sleepUnfortunately there is no known cure for shit taste>it's usefulIt made arguments you don't even agree withYou're barely managing the intellectual task of breathing, and yet it's still below you>again, it doesn't create problemsI have explained multiple times the problems that it causes, you just ignored themAt this point I can't tell if it's because you don't want to engage with them, or if you aren't actually capable of reading>if you mean [...]I've given you a specific example multiple times: the real hunter exam. It's fucking retarded, and you keep redirecting the conversation away from it>i think nihilism and corruption are big commonalities between the arcs, which funny enough the hunter organization is also corrupt.They clearly aren't, and the ending of the hunter exam arc is clearly and unambiguously triumphant, as is gon finding his dad.>Hunter x Hunter’s characters surpass those in Fullmetal Alchemist and Jujutsu Kaisen because Togashi writes them as volatile psychological systems rather than fixed moral or thematic archetypes. Their complexity emerges from contradiction, not resolution.Characters in both FMA are written first in terms of their relationships with other characters and their goals. There's not a single person from either series I'd describe as a thematic archetype, except in the absolute broadest sense of "teacher".I can't even think of a single relationship in HxH that makes sense as a relationship, besides gon x kilwa which is ridiculously surface level. Characters are defined entirely through incredibly surface level goals which are generally unchanged and only challenged incredibly superficially by the plot.>csm part 1 lollmao, evenrofl, in factroflmao, perhapsGood bait. I'm going to go jack off now
>>283316208>It made arguments you don't even agree withso? most humans have arguments i don't agree with but i don't disregard them all.>You're barely managing the intellectual task of breathing, and yet it's still below youno one who likes a simplistic and boring story like fma (or jjk) should say something like this to others.>you just ignored themlist one problem it creates and make it simple and i will address it.>the real hunter exam. It's fucking retardedi already debunked this point. it's fine. it's dictated by the whims of a sadistic guy. >They clearly aren't, and the ending of the hunter exam arc is clearly and unambiguously triumphanttogashi actually wanted gon to fail the exam but his editor told him no. but he had killua fail the exam, and that was the climax of the arc. gon passing was treated as relatively unimportant.>besides gon x kilwa which is ridiculously surface level.their friendship is deeper and more meaningful after the hunter exam than any relationship between any charater in the entirety of fma or jjk.>Characters are defined entirely through incredibly surface level goals which are generally unchanged and only challenged incredibly superficially by the plot.idk what any of this means or if it's true. but hxh's characters are deeper than its peers so it must be false.
>>283283247Story by ONE
>>283316493Art by TWO
>>283316612Liked by NONE
>>283307517>Tell me lies, tell me sweet little liesProve me wrong or you’re delusional >It's the focal point of the entire arc and the peak of the webcomicHow brain dead can you be? MA arc is the longest arc and the only thing people will discuss is one character and not the other heroes or monsters? >who’s written out of the story nowHe is because hasn’t done shit since the arc ended>What didn't happen?What you suggested happened in that arc>He's a recent character and being salty at Blast plays a major role in his actionsAnd not a single person cares >I don't have the time to write an essay You’re doing that the whole time you autistic retard. I’m not forcing you to defend garbage with shit art like the Onetard you are
>>283313869Kinda like how everyone in Eyeshield 21 started looking more handsome/beautiful with sharper features and longer proportions the longer the manga went on.
>>283313869>>283318186please tell me this is ragebaiting and you're just pretending to be retarded
>>283283231It has always been overrated trash.
>>283304207just.. say no to them?
>better written>better and more influential characters>not a glorified parody>far better anime adaptation>took only 3 years between each seasons>fully completed for both manga and anime>lovechild of both the author and studio Bones>somehow manages to have a good ending unlike most of the entire medium>critically acclaimed by sakugatards and anyone who knows their shit>has Reigen>also funnierMob Psycho gawds won so much it's not even funny, sorry pals you invested in the wrong place I was all in on Mob since 2014 and you can only seethe One Cuck Fans.
>>283306349kek for this edit, what character is that on the left?
>>283320544The beret guy from rent a girlfriend?
>>283320252>not a glorified parodyYeah. That's why it was trash from the start. It didn't even try to be anything but mainstream bullshit.
>That fucking Muratafag that actually posted CP here.Why aren't we just splattering the heads of these literal fucking vermin already? Little fucker probably came out of his discord to spam that shit. Little bitch.
>>283320252One Punch Man has the more interesting setting, though. I feel like it's wasted in this series.
>>283321081Yes, a protagonist/character like Saitama wastes the setting. What a shitty character, turning the series into trash.
>>283320252I think opm explores more interesting questions/scenarios but mob psycho has some fun character shit.
>>283305305The gags are bad in my opinion, its why its so jarring when they go serious mode. The series has one joke and never shuts up about it. Its really too goofy to take seriously since they're no stakes.
>>283303897>garou vs heroes army is the best manga fight ever drawn though.this is webcomic only right? that's a surprising opinion
>>283321916You do not read this series, you probably barely watched the anime, you definitely do not read the webcomic.
>>283321949If he meant Garou vs the A class, it's manga only, and it was a good addition that is true. If Murata wrote that it's the only good thing he actually added to the manga.
>>283321954The web comic is trash, the art burns my eyes. The anime is also trash. Murata art is the only good thing about the series. They also ruined Kings chopped apple joke thats how retarded the manga is.
>283322055yep, just a baiting retard
>>283321949I meant the manga, the art is really good. Shame Murata is stick in this crap series.
>>283322076>Things I dont like are bait
Not only should there have been no redraws with Orochi, but he should be the true leader of the Monster Association in the manga, not Psykos. She should genuinely be just an advisor/partner even if she had influenced his creation. I strongly suspect that turning Orochi into a figurehead instead of the true leader was Murata's decision because he wanted to wank the hot woman.That was Murata turning Orochi into more and more of a non-character when he was supposed to be the true leader and just be taken out by Saitama and never come back.I see similarities with Orochi in Byakuo from versus, I suspect this is ONE trying to make a character more like Orochi was supposed to be due to Murata ruining his Orochi.
>>283322334It wasn't lol. Orochi existed mainly to wank Tatsumaki and give her a fight before she gets sneak attacked but Muratard went overboard with it. Then removed Psykos from the surface fight for no reason and turned Fubuki's big moment into a shitty flashback.
does versus have good character moments like mob psycho and opm have?
>>283322457Nah, that was just Murata's theory because he didn't believe that Tatsumaki being taken out by Psykos like she was made sense, and then when that wasn't how things went, he redrew things and made Orochi survive to wank Tatsumaki like he wanted. To make history the way he wanted it to be.
>>283322462No, I still prefer versus over Mob, I don't like Mob.Opm Webcomic>Versus>Mob>Bug Ego> OPM manga.
>>283322607To make *the story the way he wanted it to be.
>>283307760Almost as if there’s new content and not a chapter that’s been released years ago
>>283322462The main human faction is medicore to bad, and I feel like that's what really holds the series back, because ONE refuses to drop the idealistic crap with them and get truly realistic with all of them given their predicament. The enemy factions are more interesting since they actually embrace the brutality cruel nature of their setting and don't have morally righteous baggage.Like, I get he wants to tell a hopeful message, but with how things are going... it just feels super out of place. The humans are coasting of blind luck at this point, and hardly have much strategy. Even the fucking Lawless have an edge over them despite being way more chaotic and disjointed and being hard carried by Rinri
>>283319667>Just say no to the people above you.Yeah, that's definitely how things work.
>>283321997There was the improved designs, fanart, fanservice, Mizuki, artwork, improved fights, and other crazy shit like the moon kick so yes he did far more than One ever could
>>283322334>>283322457So you guys think that Tatsumaki getting taken out with pure bullshit and not doing a single thing in the webcomic was better because you’re nitpicking how he went overboard? I guess Gouketsu was supposed to have a character arc too? This has gotta be bait
How would Webcomic Tatsumaki fare against Jachi?I'm asking about the Tatsumaki webcomic because I don't consider the manga canon, especially after the second round of redraws of the Phoenix Man fight.I'm asking about the webcomic Tatsumaki because I don't consider the manga canon, especially from the second round of redraws of the Phoenix Man fight onwards.
>>283323396Jachi was able to destroy the entire giant metal factory of the Robos with one punch in release mode. How does that compare with Tatsumaki lifting the base of the monster association?
>>283323441She barely has any feats because it’s the webcomic though
>>283313752Which is why it got retconned so his redemption wasn’t even more retarded
>>283323441Tats defeated Psykorochi, which should be a Moon level threat due to Orochi's Gaia canon feat-so she scales to that
>>283323654I believe that raising the base of the monster association so easily is a great feat. That base was the size of City Z, which is one of OPM's megacities, and extended to at least 1,500 meters below ground.>>283323726I said Webcomic Tatsumaki, I don't care about the shit manga.Not to mention that I totally disagree with that stupid assessment, but I have no desire to discuss this garbage from the manga, especially with an autistic retard who talks shit like "moon level". Take your vs battles shit back there.
>>283323726If Jachi is weaker than Boros than I’m pretty sure she can beat him at high difficulty
>>283320252>>somehow manages to have a good ending unlike most of the entire mediumThe ending is the only thing about it I dislikeIt has one chapter 2 many
>>283322936You don't understand, even amidst all this they remain human, it's what makes the story revolve around them as opposed to just being part of the story.
>>283323876She casually split apart like a kilometer of the earth just to make Saitama fall. That's her with a severely wounded brain still recovering and against Saitama himself, so she must have went all out which reopened the wound.But, when it comes to feats, the webcomic is the antithesis.You go by narrative, Tatsumaki is much stronger.
>>283322936I agree for the most part, the humans are barely characters because of that. I'm not saying they should be evil, just more realistic, more like actual characters rather than just a trope without personality.That Masaochi wank also cost the others their characters; he sacrificed the characters and competence of the others to make Masaochi the only competent one, to make him look super smart when in reality he is just making the others look super incompetent.
>>283322462It has some memorable characters, but the manga is more about having fun fights between monsters from different works of fiction. Humans are the least interesting part of the story.
>>283310079Looking back, perhaps it would have been out of character for him as he considered them to be simply mind-controlled rather than considering them evil as he did with the caveman (although the caveman still didn't deserve that and Sweet Mask was being unfair to him), but like the others anon said he still tried to kill them anyway even after the redraw.IDK if those private mercenaries can even be considered innocent though? Maybe that's illegal and Amai Mask considered them evil for being mercenaries or something?
>>283324611Anyway, evaluating this again, it kind of looks like Murata is trying to make him look bad or something.
>>283298813Not true, OPM was very popular before Murata got involved. If it weren't for Murata, the webcomic would have been animated, and we would have received this >>283299482 and OPM would be much more popular.
>>283283231
why did murata introduce blast really early and remove most mystery and suspense about him
OPM should have ended a long time ago, really it's a talented to be able to milk this shit out for so long
>>283290542+1, i lost interest here. i still kept reading it until he started the 200x redraws but this is where it all went wrong
>>283299927Saitama's similarities to ONE pretty much end once the former becomes too powerful. I'm 99% Reigen is his actual self-insert. He quit his wage slave job and took a chance on a dream job, only to find himself surrounded and valued by good company
>>283283231When it turned into DBZ 2.0
>>283322078>Shame Murata is stick in this crap series.This is his manga, you know. Without editor interference. Correction, this is his last manga. No one would want to collaborate with this ticking time bomb in the future.
>>283326490Yeah I guess.
>>283307019Toyobro btw
>>283325087>I can break these cuffs
>>283324901>If it weren't for MurataDon't be a prick.Early chapters were fire & his recognition of ONE's work did grant a lot of clout that definitely helped ONE overall.
>>283285238I like Suiko and the daughter of the old samurai guy. Yuno I think her name was?
>>283325114it's odd because in the webcomic he looked like saitama with hair in design and costume, so there was clearly a plan maybe to be on the level as him ? But now the manga moved that mystery to blasts space organization
man I feel so stupid coming here after reading only the manga and not understanding any criticism other than the usual "Murata re-draws"should I read the webcomic?
>>283327228webcomic has better paneling. better comedy. better pacing. better story. better characters. worse art. it's your choice
>>283327295I just want to understand where anons are coming from.
>>283283231The redraws ruined it a lotEverything that was redrawn / rewritten was better before the changesThat page you posted made me cringe like hell
>>283327295Sonic also doesn't look like a fag
>>283327329It is better to read the webcomic and form your own opinion.
>>283306652ONE has made a volume's worth of content just this year for the webcomic. The last chapter was 60 fucking pages long.
>>283327228Yes? Are you genuinely fucking retarded?
>>283325114He couldn't help himself.
>>283324294Masaochi looks Japanese after all, the Japanese always need to wank a japanese orJapanese-looking character if there is one in the work just as they need to wank Japanese cuisine.
>>283284062the webcomic was never a parody retard normalfag
>>283326923Yuta.
>>283306506Versus is soulful and awesome unlike currenr OPM manga thoughbeitfully
>>283329133Kek. Omagine reading that webcomic and treating it as a completely serious battle shounen story.
>>283283231webomic >>> mangamanga became trash at Monster Association Arc
>>283327618And therefore nowhere near as fuckable as manga Sonic
>>283283231The re-draws must have killed so much momentum that I can't find chapters on the usual manga sites
>>283283231This shit was only good for like a one shot. People only care about the protagonist, his gag and the gang around him. Pushing other shitty shonen characters and plots nobody cares about when they mainly signed up for funny joke man and the gang is gonna get stale. It got stale far before even when season 1 finished at its peakI dont know why anyone cares about this slop anymore aside from powerscale faggots
>>283329414OPM and Mob Psycho are not battle shonens, the fights aren't the point. Two protags who can just 1-shot everything they encounter and you still think it's either about fights and powerlevels or parodying manga about fights and powerlevels.
>>283285200>He even saved mosquito womanPeople had been arguing from the beginning that she could've survived because she wasn't punched and her body was mostly intact in all three versions. Murata just legitimated that headcanon, and frankly it's a very harmless retcon, especially when you compare it to the actual redraws.
>>283284755I hated most of the post-Boros changes, but this was the final nail in the coffin for me.
>>283325209>One Piece reaction gifPot. Kettle.
>>283329133>>283329414>>283332102OPM is a satire of battle shounen writing conventions
The bad animation is satire
>>283332795The bad animation is just because the industry is aware of how much slop anime fans are willing to consume (high amount)
The people with braincells already moved on from OPM to other, better seriesBandai Namco know this and thats why they don't care about quality
>>283283231It unironically filters.
ONE thinks his premises are ten times more interesting than they actually are
>>283334549but they are that interesting
