Is it true shoujo would not exist without this Swedish guy or it's just a meme?
>>283299030Yes it's true but Griffith is a smidge too far from the original blonde innocent prettyboy design to count. Griffith looks creepy intentionally, more like Psycho Jenny and Rosemarine from Kazeki.
>>283299030>Berserk is acutally about a tomboy who has to choose between a Shoujo hero and a Shonen hero.
>>283299975Griffith is more shoujo villain than shoujo hero.
>>283300085Shoujo hero. You know they love to do weird shit.
>>283300156Griffith has really nothing in common with shoujo protagonists. He's not a woman or a child, he's not a revolutionary, he's a hero in a more common, masculine sense and those types of characters tend to be villains in shoujo or mixed figures, like Rosemarine who is a sadist and aided Gilbert's sexual abuse after being abused himself as a child. Griffith was also nicknamed the "white hawk" after him, nicknamed the white prince.
>>283299030That's Björn Andrésen in his role in Death of Venice. He was 15 years old at the time (but the character he's playing is 14)Dearth of Venice is a movie about an homosexual man in his 50s who becomes enamored with a 14 years old boy, who is in awe of his beauty but is aching that he cannot have him due to the boy's age and that they are both males. The film presents this as tragic.The movie was directed by Luchino Visconti, a homosexual who's made multiple films about homosexuality and pedophilia. Many of the crew members were also homosexual, and they all lusted after Björn. When filming was done, Visconti and the crew took Björn to a gay bar.The Death of Venice movie is an adaptation of the book of the same name. It was written by Thomas Mann, a homosexual writer. The story of the book is fiction, but inspired by Mann's own story of going on vacation in Venice and falling in love with a teenage boy, unable to have him.So yes, the entire shoujo genre is downstream from gay pedophiles.
>>283300516>Visconti and the crew took Björn to a gay bar.Björn HATED the experience and attention by the way (as virtually anyone would).
>>283300516Sounds like the gay version of Lolita. I guess in other cultures they don't pretend gay pedophilia is "worse" while Lolita still gets called a masterpiece.
>>283300516Don't you mean hebephile? Pedophile means attraction to prepubescent children and 15 is definitely not that
>>283300681ephebophile*
>>283300605>Sounds like the gay version of Lolita.The difference is that Death of Venice is based on reality and you're meant to sympathize with the protagonist, while Lolita is pure fiction and you're meant to think the protagonist is a monster.
>>283300774It sounds like in Death of Venice he never actually has sex with the boy because he knows he can't have him while in Lolita the protagonist does sexually abuse a 12 year old girl. So of course the second one is seen as a "villain," he's an actual sexual abuser while the first one would still be seen as innocent in any country that doesn't prosecute people for thoughtcrimes.
>>283300846Also, authors love to distance themselves from their work but any time someone writes about a fictional account of their protagonist wanting to fuck someone not of an acceptable age, it's usually the author wanting that too, especially if there's graphic sex scenes. In the case of shoujo, it's usually showing the situation from the perspective of the lusted-upon child rather than the adult man.
>>283299030That nord is so fucking hideous. Ezra Miller tier hideous
>>283300371>he's not a revolutionaryHe literally is.
>>283300516>So yes, the entire shoujo genre is downstream from gay pedophiles.Every genre of art, music and literature is downstream from pedophiles.
>>283301847jewish mutt cope.
>>283300516So it was always BL shit? Now that explains a lot.
>>283300371>he's not a revolutionary???
>>283299030In the image 5/9 of them are women tho
>>283299030To be fair, Japan's been obsessed with femboys since the Heian period. When Commodore Perry brought his son to Japan, everybody wanted to fuck him
>>283300516Good to know.Now I have to deal with this erection.
>>283302697Nobody really has a problem when adult men want to fuck male teenagers, it's when female teenagers want to fuck male teenagers that said adult men get offended and start virtue signaling about masculine men in order to prop up their own older age as "more desirable" in the straight AND gay realms to prey on female and male teenagers alike. Same thing happened with Justin Bieber, kpop etc
>>283299030Considering you can see shojo will a rather clear lineage leading to later shoujo that was released before 1971. Attack no 1 or Sunroom Nite for examples. Also Griffith is a Ryoclone more than anything.
>>283302858>Nobody really has a problem when adult men want to fuck male teenagers, it's when female teenagers want to fuck male teenagersNow this is some serious self projection
>>283302697*Nara period
>>283303448Idk what he's talking about when in the west men get crucified for even the slightest age gap let alone anything involving teenagers of any gender while adult women get a free pass for doing the similar thing. He's probably some thirdy whining about his shithole.
>>283299030please learn English and never post again
>>283299030Shoujo is older
>>283302858Explaining to teenage girls during beatlemania that they were "psyopped by gay industry pedos" into finding skinny young men attractive
>>283300371>Griffith isn’t a revolutionary>hero means protagonist >Griffith is masculine and masculine characters tend to be villains in shoujo>Griffith had a nickname btwwhat the actual fuck am I reading
>>283302858I have no words for how sheltered you are.
>>283301864>>283302657>>283303748>a forcible overthrow of a government or social order, in favor of a new system.Yeah, Griffith isn't a revolutionary. He was a conformist who wanted to replace the current king with himself without changing the system. You're wrong if you think Griffith resembles a "shoujo protagonist." I mentioned Rosemarine's nickname because Griffith's character was clearly inspired by him, an antagonist, in more ways than one. People like to compare Griffith to Gilbert when that's a terrible and unfitting comparison.
>>283299030Imagine having a face that forever changed a country's perception of beauty.Damn.
>>283304097I feel like it was honestly his hair more than his face
>>283304097He looks good, but in Northern Europe it's relatively normal for boys to look like that. He doesn't even look particularly feminine, just fresh and noble.
>>283304400Stop you're going to flood Scandinavia with Japanese onee-sans.
>>283299030>Jessica instead of Reinhard
>>283303448>>283303794It literally just happened in this thread >>283300516
>>283304400Yeah he's just a kid in the picture. In his adult age he looks quite normal.
>>283299030death in venice is one weird movie, can't believe Japanese boomer women loved it so much.
>>283304400It's not really about looking "feminine," it's about looking youthful. Women value youth just as men do, but you only really get called a "pedophile" for it if you're attracted to younger men. If you're attracted to younger women (even teenagers) as a man, that's just normal!
>>283304400>He doesn't even look particularly feminine, just fresh and nobleThat's the point
>>283304650He was still pretty handsome. It's just that people lost interest when he hit puberty and didn't look ambiguous anymore.Nowadays he's a Nordic wizard.
>>283300516>15>pedophilia
>>283306380The author of DiV was a pedophile, the actual boy was 10 years old (although the character was 14) but yeah I wouldn't call the (supposedly gay) filmmakers taking 15 year old Bjorn to a bar pederasty. And I certainly wouldn't call the entire genre of shoujo "downstream from gay pedophiles" for being aesthetically inspired by 15 year old Bjorn. Especially because Oscar is at first 15 or a similar age when we see her and that's at the very beginning of the manga.
>>283300516Anon every female oriented piece of media was spawned from some boy molesting faggot.
>>283306562Gonna be honest here. The most charitable way I can describe taking your teenage lead actor to a gay bar is "highly irresponsible."
>>283306776For 70s standards that was pretty tame
>>283300605in many cultures, such as in latino countries, gay pedophilia is not seen as gay or pedophilia, it's perfectly straight there
>>283305070Seriously, that dude grew old like fine fucking wine
>>283303654>White boy were literally made to be bussy slaves...unlike the men of melanin who are born masculine and muscular like men should beMY SIDES
>>283299030So are Aryan femboys gods in Asia?
>>283300516It should be noted, the 50 year old man dies of cholera because he stayed in venice far longer than he should have been because he was infatuated with the 14 year old boy and wanted to see him more. The point of the book (and the film to a lesser extent) is that the man was overcome by his lustful desires and perished for it.>>283300605sure, if your similarities begin and end at "pedophile" then yeah, it's just lolita but gay
>>283300681>>283300700These were invented by the tranny whisperer
>>283300516>So yes, the entire shoujo genre is downstream from gay pedophilesMY FUCKING SIDES
>>283300516Please don't put bisexual twinkfags together with the rest of the gays. Bishounen are for bisexual pedophiles. True gays don't like anything feminine in men. True/turbo gays like hairy, very masculine looking men. The older, the better.
>>283310251>Bishounen are for bisexual pedophiles. True gays don't like anything feminine in men.spoken like a hardcore fag
>>283310329That's exactly how it works. Men look more feminine when younger. Turbo gays don't like anything feminine. They like beards, body hair, masculine looking. These bisexual pedos have nothing to do with turbo gays.
>>283310251Agreed. All pedophiles are bisexual freaks
>>283303354>Ryoanon, ryo is based on Bjorn
>>283310251>Bishounen are for bisexual pedophilesAnd lesbians in the closet. Androgenous men fascinate leasbians. Lesbian here.
>>283300516>Björn AndrésenAnd he was in midsommar.
>>283312288Oh, so that's why it was so popular in Japan.
>>283299030Shoujo would exist without Bjorn, but Lady Oscar and her various clones who you listed in your pic would not. Riyoko Ikeda and Kentaro Miura arguably owe their entire careers to Luchino Visconti for casting Bjorn Anderson in Death in Venice.
>>283310251There's some weight to it. Most fags who are into feminine looking men are usually bisexual though a considerable subsection of top pure fags who are into that category or young men does exist.
>>283300516Thanks for the info>>283300605Do you think Lolita is about how pedophilia is good?
>>283313186Speaking as a bisexual guy myself, my attraction to men is mainly limited to men that have at least some kind of effeminate qualities. They have that feminine softness about them and they’re usually quite feminine in personality too. All my boyfriends in the past have been timid bottoms almost to the point of parody. I think the only reason I feel women still have the edge is because I want children and a guy can’t give me children.I fully blame androgynous girls like Lady Oscar and guys like Gilbert from Kaze to Ki no Uta for turning me bi, as I thought I was straight for most of my life up until I got into anime.
>>283300371Being a shojo heroine back in that time is pretty much just having rape angst, fluffy hair, and loving a man. Griffith checks all those boxes. You are full of shit.
>>283299030he still lives rent free in japs minds
>>283299030I look like this
>>283305070he looks like Alan Moore if he took a bath
>>283300516No retardShoujo started by yurifags / tomboyfags who created Takarazuka Revue
>>283312288Erotic jiji
>>283302697Truehttps://visualizingcultures.mit.edu/black_ships_and_samurai/bss_essay02.html>“This youth is extremely beautiful. His complexion is white, around his eyes is pink, his mouth is small, and his lips are red. His body, hands, and feet are slightly plump, and his features are rather feminine. He is intelligent by nature, dutiful to his parents, and has a taste for the martial arts. He likes scholarship, composes and recites poems and songs, and reads books three lines at a glance. His power exceeds three men, and his shooting ability is exceptional....”
>>283315572>His power exceeds three menso he was a twunk?
>>283304726Women never get called pedos, men doMaybe some women on TikTok or Lolcow Farm call women they don’t like pedos, but that’s not most people
>>283312288This part was so scary.He looks sort of beautiful even here like an elf. It was sad to see him explode.
>>283310748Nah they're still bisexual, seething moid.
>>283314703>having rape angst, fluffy hair, and loving a manWrong lol... Usually you have to be a woman first of all, but in the case of yaoi, you're ignoring the fact that villains can have those things too.
>>283316708YWNBAW
>>283316871You really won't though. Resume the seethe about women attracted to young men being "pedophiles" and/or "closeted lesbians" KEK
>>283316928NTA and let me repeat myself YWNBAW
>>283318706*becomes a woman*you were saying?
>>283299975That's Escaflowne.
>>283300516Check out what happened with Zefarelli and Bruce Robinson on the set of Romeo and Juliet. That will give you a whole new Gay tryst to get angry about.
>>283318974kek
>>283300516holy based
>>283300516based
>>283319057Oh yeah, he based Uncle Monty off of Zeffirelli when he wrote Withnail and I.
>>283313186>>283314619No, you are just bi pedos.
>>283299030They would've found a different guy eventually, bishounen have been popular in japan since ancient times. Tale of Genji (first known japanese novel and also one of the first in the world) has a part where the MC is lusting after a beautiful boy and iirc it's implied he did gay stuff with him too
>>283320187And Monty is apparently "toned down" by comparison.
>>283320616I think the issue people have is that shoujo manga exposed that teenaged girls were attracted to teenaged boys and not whatever older men society was trying to push onto them. In America still men are in denial of that and call young prettyboys "faggots" while in Japan shoujo allowed them to accept the reality that women primarily like twinks and it's mostly gay men into musclefags.
>>283321098>In America still men are in denial of that and call young prettyboys "faggots" while in Japan shoujo allowed them to accept the reality that women primarily like twinks and it's mostly gay men into musclefags.We really have been gaslit into thinking ugly hairy men are attractive
>>283322033>We really have been gaslit into thinking ugly hairy men are attractiveGay men that don't like muscular or muscular fat macho men aren't gay. They are all bisexual pedos.
>>283322033How can call yourself gay if you don't like mature hairy dilfs??? Just say you are pedo already
>>283299030That guy got pegged by japs so much it mind broke him into becoming a misanthrope. Look up his story, its quite sad really. Japs are fucking savages.
He died after this thread was posted
>>283322915He was already dead, but it wasn't public yet. OP is a murderous faggot.
>>283306562>>283306868Oh, sure, taking a minor to a bar full of horny, drunk men where he was harassed is not pederasty.>>283310251>>283310368Wtf are you talking about? Turbo gays love masculinity because they are the bottoms. Manly tops love twinks.
>>283303687>men get crucified for even the slightest age gap let alone anything involving teenagers of any genderIt's not a problem if it correctly demonizes LGBTBBQs and NAMBLA.
>obese fat hairy men itt mad because actual attractive pretty boys are more valued in glorious nippon lmaoooo
>>283323674Dude it was 1971 Michael Jackson was performing in American gay bars at 10 years old that exact same year. They did not give a fuck about taking some 15 year old twink out to drink, this is Europe we're talking about
>>283300516Westerners completely disregard the accumulated body of manga criticism written in Japanese and fabricate history based on their own preconceptions.
>>283304400I want to fuck normal northern european boys
>>283323674>Wtf are you talking about? Turbo gays love masculinity because they are the bottoms. Manly tops love twinks.Just because you are pedo, don't project your tastes in average gay men.
>>283323941This is the beauty standard for women, trannies and bisexual men. Pic related is what gays want in Japan.
>>283299030>>283312288Dude went from twink vampire to manlu vampire hunter
>>283326668>>283326833You are literally discussing with a tranny, don't take bishounen trannies seriously.
>>283323959Michael's father was a religious man; he wouldn't have taken his sons to gay bars, regular bars, yes.
>>283327157that's not any better
>>283327157It's called selling your child out and "religious" "family" men do it more than any other group.https://youtube.com/watch?v=U-BW4JHmPk4
>>283327157>Michael's fatherWas a dark triad psychopath an serial child abuser.
>>283326668Twinks are hairless young men with smooth features; you can be in your 20s and still be labeled as a twink.
>>283299030I didn't realize he just died, RIP. Is that why this thread was made or just a coincidence?
>>283299030it would still exist, but in a different form
>>283326121>criticism while the tropes continueok
