I miss battle harems.
Certainly better than isekai
>>283321868>>283322175Isekai are just battle harems set in Dragon Quest-land with the MC coming from Japan.
>>283322504Turn down the soul meter by a few points and add in a few years to fester in an echo chamber, then you've got isekai
>>283321868I agree but we already had this thread.
>>283321868Guess it's your lucky day
>>283321868I hope generative AI eventually becomes good enough to allow harem anons to make anime about their own harems.Sadly copyright laws means that's the only way this is ever going to happen.
>>283321868Soon.
>>283321868Who is that silver haired chick on the right again? It's been ages since I last saw anything of that show and I still don't get how anyone that's out of puberty can watch this stuff without feeling like a retard (even more so than any shounentard).
>>283321868I blame this anime for the genre dying. Well that and High School DXD going down the crapper. Seriously, what the fuck was with season 3?
>>283322175Isekai used to be good
>>283321868Same, I really do.
>>283325412Still unsurpassed.
Is there any school battle harem that's actually an anime original and not a LN adaptation?
>>283325412I rember
>>283325509Isekai no Seikishi Monogatari
>>283325509>>283327319also G-On Riders
>>283321868Kill yourself
>>283327857Fuck off.
...Why?
>>283323535Rossweisse and this is shounen.
>>283321868Would a Koneko and Akeno.
>>283323588>I blame this anime for the genre dying.Blame Hundred and Bahamut.Although Asterisk was being banked on by Aniplex to do some heavy lifting, god knows why.
>>283324149>s2 never ever
>>283321868Kill yourself you subhuman faggot
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>>283322175This, this, a million times this. I'd take 1000000 battle harems over one more goddamned piece of fantasy slop.
Battle harems are shit, bring back sekai-kei
>>283321868Is DxD objectively the best battle harem series? What even compares to it?
>>283323365censored slop.
Vanadis deserved more
>>283330709It's one of the weakest.
>>283330771Well, by all means, name a better one.
>>283330709Antimagic was my favorite battle harem LN reading experience.As it turned out my ass wanted chuuni shounen fights but not drawn out for 600+ chapters.
>>283321868Only if they actually END harems.
>>283330709It is astoundingly generic and uninteresting.
it's interesting that even though battle harems all had school settings it's still easier to recognize a show based on the uniform design than it is to identify any of the generic isekai slop character designs that get shit out these days. even just seeing part of the collar like this you could probably tell what show it's from, but there's no way you could guess an isekai character just from part of an outfit even though they theoretically have way more latitude for character design.
>>283330683>sekai-keiis guilty crown ?
>>283330727Go back to r/anime since you're clearly too retarded to even use your own eyes.
>>283322175>>283321868Same shit
>>283332818School setting is much more interesting than fantasy medieval setting though.
>>283332844Only because they dont even try to make the medieval setting interesting in any way.
>>283332863I don’t think I would watch it even if they did, medieval settings are boring to me. If there was an isekai in a Tron-like world maybe I would watch it.
>>283330615What shit opinions.Good bait though, have a (You).
>>283332901Then you have never read an interesting story in that setting because the possibilities are incredible compared to a high tec school
>still being published after 10 yearshow?
>>283332919>S2 never22 nukes aren't enough
>>283332959the anime is censored as hell so nothing of value was lost
>>283332907No, I think sci fi settings have much more possibilities. Even cult classic stuff like LOTR I find boring.The only exception is if time travel is involved to show a culture shock between the medieval and modern worlds, but isekais never have that because their medieval settings are fantasy
>>283333219Alright guess you just have shit taste then.
>>283333082Counterpoint:
>>283322175So question is which is the best one?
>>283321868>posts the shittiest
>>283330709I want to watch it but I'd get v& here
>>283333317The one with the most lolis
>>283330709Sora no Otoshimono
>>283330709HoTD.
>>283333536But its just two girls who like him
>>283330709is one of the worst, you are just a porn addict
>>283333387>confession at the very end that is turned into a nothing burger because both of them are too scared to do anythingwow, that's exactly what everyone wanted when reading it right?
>>283333305for me, it's Iona
>>283334595More harems should have multiple rei clones
>>283334584That would have pissed-off fans of another girl. Like his childhood friend that had chemistry with him. They pussied out but that's what happens every girl has chemistry with the MC. Also you watch harem shows for the journey not the finish.
>>283334595you can't go wrong with brown
>>283321868I definitely don't miss the hottest girls always being stuck in a genre that's broken at its core. Every season I'd see hot girls, see the dead-eyed protagonist, and be depressed that I'd have to write to it off. Good riddance.>Isekai is broken at its core.Hipster/Coward take. The reason why isekai almost instantly produced more big hits and mid-level hits than battle harem did during its perpetually floundering 15 year reign is because it's a great format and they ditched their obsession with blank slate leads. Not everything needs to subvert expectations. Unlike passive aggressive blank slate men who are pulled through the plot by 11/10 women who are obsessed with them for some truly incomprehensible reason, power fantasies are fun.Also, we need to think about the impact that the two different kinds of protagonists have on the harem. Feminism would have you believe that a half-naked bombshell who's affectionate with a man and has a charming personality can't be an interesting character, but I completely disagree. That's feminine charm, and feminist characters are uninteresting because they lack it. You know what does legitimately cheapen female characters? Having a harem of 11/10 girls who could have any man they wanted absolutely cream themselves over the generic passive-aggressive Japanese student who's designed to be unthreatening to even the biggest loser. It's immersion breaking. On the flipside, you can understand how women would be infatuated with the cocky OP wizard or with the fighting underdog who's struggling against the odds.
>>283324149>Isekai used to be good>posts a series that is dogshit
>>283332919Eiyuu Kyoushitsu is unironically a masterpiece
>>283334772and the journey was terrible anon, might as well read hentai, at least something concrete happens there, I am tired of these harem stories where either the MC is a passive cunt who barely changes from start to finish and the girls do everything or where he has to be tard wrangler, treating the girls like a caretaker and treats romantic love like an annoyance, something to give almost out of pity.>That would have pissed-off fans of another girlYou can't appeal to everyone, there wil ALWAYS be someone who is mad because their girl didn't win, should Toradora not have an ending because it pissed off Ami fans? Should "god only knows" had ended in a way where he keeps taking care of the girls and leading them on?
>>283335457How is battle harem broken at its core?
>>283332919Who is winning?
>>283335457>Having a harem of 11/10 girls who could have any man they wanted absolutely cream themselves over the generic passive-aggressive Japanese student who's designed to be unthreatening to even the biggest loserWhy are you acting like isekai doesn't constantly do this?
>>283335457Issei from DxD is instantly a better MC than any isekai troon could ever hope to be.
>>283321868the problem with battle harems is that it usually didn't commit itself to the harem>>283323588What did DXD even do? The newer seasons with the worse art?>>283325412Man the author really showed his mental breakdown in the LNs
>>283335582SnO should have ended in harem same with antimagic academy, toradora wasn't a harem to begin with so the comparasion doesnt work
>>283322175Isekai and battle harems can go hand in hand.
>>283335671Ha ha, no.
>>283335603Because its defining quality is the dead-eyed lead who's designed to be even less interesting than the typical audience member. If the protagonist was interesting, people generally didn't define it as a harem show, even if a harem was present. See: Bakemonogatari, Haruhi, etc.A point that I used to make all the time back then is that people didn't actually want those protagonists, and they still don't. Outside of a couple of freak outliers, almost everything that does well has a protagonist who's worthy of the role. I don't understand why people have such a hard time accepting this. Is it because that would mean admitting that they're not actually more sophisticated than the typical anime fan?>>283335647And they tend to perform like 00s battle harem.>>283335671Highschool DxD is just more proof of concept that it's not the isekai itself that makes isekai popular. It's shows with great protagonists and lots of great girls.
>>283335789>Because its defining quality is the dead-eyed lead who's designed to be even less interesting than the typical audience member. If the protagonist was interesting, people generally didn't define it as a harem show, even if a harem was present. So most of isekais are battle harems?
>>283335789>If the protagonist was interesting, people generally didn't define it as a harem showLooks like people are retarded then.Haruhi isn’t considered a harem because there’s no actual romance in it, and the one it blatantly opens the door to is monogamous. The idea of a harem is never ever mentioned in the series.I’ve never seen a single person claim Monogatari isn’t a harem.
>>283335620Red one, it's harembait
>>283321868>S5 neverwe'll never see the best 2 volumes adapted and that's sad
>>283336093You mean the one where he dies?
>>283336244Yes. The ending of volume 11 (iirc) and start of volume 12 was the peak of the series for me. I stopped reading after volume 16/17
>>283336263Yeah, pity it doesn’t stick. Or just end. That’d be better.
>>283325412Demon King Demon King, my beloved. I remember watching the raws on some gundam live website. Idk, I was 13
>>283335893I wouldn't say "most". But they're out there, and they generally don't last long. As for the typical middle-of-the-pack isekai, even if they're not super memorable, at least they tend to have initiative, ambition, and a will of their own. Even if they're being dragged around by the harem (they're usually not), they're more proactive in dealing with problems. That's enough to maintain immersion. It's fine for a character to be the audience's fantasy, but the problem comes in when you're taken out of the story by being reminded of it.>>283336024Haruhi had the same level of romance as most harem shows do early on. All of the girls crushed on Kyon, he was an herbivore male, and he helped them with their problems.I legitimately had people argue with me that both shows weren't harem. Why? Vibes. Namely, the vibe of the protagonist being the heart of the show instead of a footnote. I'd say that the reason why DxD is unquestioningly considered harem is because Issei looks kinda dorky and is initially fairly low status in the family.
>>283335671Then why is he still a virgin?
Nue's Exorcist is running right now.
Her last animated appearance
>>283325412Dark Green > Blue > Yellow > Green > Red > Purple
>>283332844That really depends though on how the medieval setting is done, like if there's good worldbuilding elements and all. If it's the same generic shit then yeah.
>>283321868You miss your childhood. Battle harems were garbage. You just miss the liberty you had associated with this type of shows
>>283321868The main guy inside a harem should always share his wives with his other wives. Yuri makes a harem stronger.
Battle harems died out because isekai does literally everything they did. Kids all have magic powers? Give them video game skills, it’s the same thing. Magical school where kids fight each other in tournaments? Make a fantasy world where that happens the same way. Harem? It’s isekai. Tell me what battle harems can do that isekai series cannot. Why should I care for the Hundreds or the Asterisk Wars when there are a dozen isekai titles which do the same exact thing?
>>283333330of course
>>283336446He isn’t he already has kids already.
>>283337493In a possible future
>>283336999Battle harems were nice to binge watch in my childhood one after the other. I remember those times...
>>283321868miss how? they are just called isekais now
>>283335457isekai is shit because it completely fails at being a power fantasy. you have a protagonist who gets transported to another world where he is suddenly super important and has some kind of special power and what does he do? fucking nothing. no trying to become rich or becoming king of his own country or fucking all of the girls who are slobbering his knob. they just want to be the fantasy equivalent of a wagie, if they don't completely reject it and want to go back. at least battle harems let the guy rise to being king shit of the school.
>>283330727You want real censored slop? Watch Seiken Gakuin no Maken Tsukai. What they did to that adaptation was fucking atrocious.
>>283333305>Counterpoint:There's no really any counterpoint, the anime was okay, but still censored, especially some bath scenes and the removal of nipples.
>>283339317>Adventurers Guild
>>283335603NTA but it takes all the annoying shounen and harem tropes, including the MC (male) has to do everything because every side character is only good for side villain battles that don't matter, but we're still supposed to care because they all love the MC and we sometimes get fanservice out of the girls even though their personalities are as vapid as harem girls in regular harem anime, and mashes them together into a thing that can't do either thing well enough to at least be mindless entertainment. I'd rather watch a battle or a harem than a thing that half asses both.
>>283339591the manga however goes all outhttps://files.catbox.moe/vthkhx.png
>>283336428>All of the girls crushed on KyonYou didn't watch Haruhi
>>283336024Haruhi has some harem elements but that's why it works: it doesn't promote harem stuff the harem stuff is just in the background while the plot is a mixture of mystery and weirdness. Like Tenchi initially, the harem was in the background (until it wasn't). Those usually are the best harems.
>>283323588It was more of a symptom than a cause. Battle harems were getting too stale and formulaic and copying each other too much, while going nowhere in particular and doing nothing to stand out.
>>283339673Not all of them but best girl Itsuki sure did.
The best battle harem, and the only one whose story is so fucking stupid but somehow works and becomes the best story humanity has made since The Odyssey, is Date A Live. And I'll die on this hill.
>>283333536This is more gore-ecchi, like the one of the gigant bugs.
>>283339755>getting too stale and formulaic and copying each other too much, while going nowhere in particular and doing nothing to stand out.And then we got 15 years of isekai slop doing the same thing but even more egregious, as they don't even bother creating a setting anymore. It's all just a big larp of MMOs
>>283339824>Island of Giant Bugs>ecchi
>>283339673He’s kind of right but Kyon clearly made his choice and they never wanted it to be a harem, it was a competition. In a later LN a guy has a crush on Yuki but it turns out he was just being dazzled by seeing the Data Overmind around her and when she cures him and he’s no longer interested Kyon notes that Yuki felt disappointed.>>283339722I wouldn’t have minded it being a harem. I don’t think it would have undermined it at all. But the characters are clearly geared towards monogamy and not ready for a harem setup. This is obviously why Haruhi isn’t a harem but stuff like DxD where the MC is seen sleeping with three girls at the same time on screen is.
>>283322504No even close of the same, isekai is a setting, like could be a school, but battle harem is an especific genre.Battle harems are often in a school setting, but not every school anime is a battle harem.The same, some isekais are battle harems, but many others are not.
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>>283339886It has a hot lesbian scene in the movie and lots more lesbian scenes in the maga. And of coursethe straight sex scenes.
>>283340087Somehow I don't think that cancels out the gore and way too scientifically accurate bug stuff.
>>283339886>>283340087>>283340127In the manga the cowboy hat mc girl gets sexually molested by other girls a lot Sometimes she give in.
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>>283322754HOLY SHIT NO WAYUOOOOHhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mggRt6PGLw
