Why do modern shonen lack having a good rival nowadays?
>>283333413Can't threaten the local self-insert MC.
You can't be cool evil anymore
>sasuke>goodAnd uryu was a literal who. He's as bad as yuno.Bumgumi is unironically better than every single big 3 rivals from back then. Shame the author hates him.
>>283333413Bakugo, Deku and Fushiguro?
Potential Man is unironically better than most shonen rivals. All simply because he wasn't a cookie cutter template Agenda faggots need not to reply.
>>283333413Because in reality nobody really cares about rivalries in battle shonen anymore, unless they are exceptionally good or fujobait (e.g in your pic Bakugo and Megumi)
You jest but Ishida was laughable as a rival. He's not even popular either despite having Sasuke's VA
Megumi isnt yuji's rival retard
>>283333413Despite Yuno having every single aura farming moment given to him. He still feels painfully boring Bakugou. I can remember his severe assholeness. Megumi. He's just a walking suicide trigger at every single inconvenience. And they're popular to boot. Something Yuno just can't achieve
>>283333413Calling Megumi a rival is a bit too generous. He is just a friend
>>283333595Yuno is distilled boredom. He never struggles, has all the powers, almost everyone loves him and the few who don't are envious assholes, is incredibly beautiful and is entire personality is being the MC rival. A perfect example of why Mary Sue rivals are so hated.
>>283333413Megumi isn't a rival. He never intends to be stronger than Yuji. After all, he saved him
>>283333413As shitty as the writing for these three. At least Bakugou and Fushiguro are popular. Yuno is the true failed rival
>>283333413Megumi > Bakugou >YunoThey're all mediocre. But Megumi isn't that bad unless you're a retard powerscaler
>>283333413Megumi doesn't really fit in there. Hes also not a deuteroganist though despite what many claimed. He is just Yuji's friend that has a shit ton of screentime
>>283334559But Megumi is a deuteroganist. He's also been the second guy to Yuji. Just that Gege refuses to give him focus. He's always just Yuji's sidekick but never the star
I can't explain why but I feel like Bakugou, Yuno, and Fushiguro were created the way they did because their authors hated Sasuke.
>>283333413Because they are forced. Editors saw Vegeta and Sasuke were rivals and are now pushing for those the first chance they get.
>>283333413Shonen rivals were always shit and Begeta should have stayed dead.
>>283333413They were never good in terms of character writing. The goodey boy scout vs edgrlord dynamics was always dogshit.
>>283333415The author wank Bakugou more than the mc. Exactly like kishi did for sasuke.
>>283335039So did Megumi and Yuno though? Megumi especially. Gege kept on hammering that he's this super special sorcerer but he's barely any stronger than half of the characters
>>283335039Kishi basically ruined his own story with obsession with uchihas. It ansn't enough wanking them with a new power up every 5 chapters, oh no, he also had to make them the center of the universe. So many potentially intresting clans and villeges were also basically reduced to one quirk and one power up because of it.
>>283333413The Big 3 had Uryu and I consider him way worse than the modern trio
>>283335097Megumi has very little screentime
>>283335246>>283333512Yeah, people forget Uryu was so unpopular despite being in the Big 3. Say what you want about Megumi but he unironically became memorable (even if it's mostly slander)
>>283335323I unironically think Gojo, Sukuna, and Megumi are going to be memorable down the line among the JJK cast. Yuji isn't unique because he's just a generic shounen protag.
>>283335415I see Yuji as more of the Ichigo than a Naruto. And Ichigo isn't as iconic as Luffy or Naruto.
>>283335323Uryu basically stopped being a rival to Ichigo after SS though and just became another jobber. Even for TYBW he barely had any presence until the anime gave him a bunch of scenes.
>>283333413I will never get Bakugou's popularity. Him apologizing to Deku is not enough to undo all the horrible things his behavior engaged.Yuno is just boring. How can you be one of the strongest and most important people in BC and still be very boring?Megumi doesn't deserve the slander because his theming is more on his trauma than fulfilling his potential. Shame about JJK's audience though since all they want is hype and aura moments. So Megumi > Yuno > Bakugou
>>283335581>Him apologizing to Deku is not enough to undo all the horrible things his behavior engaged.That's Deku's call to make, not ours as the audience. We aren't the aggrieved party.
>>283333413Yuno is baffling when you consider everything Tabata has given to him. This guy is the Gojo of the verse but no one gives a shit about Yuno. He's not even popular among female fans. At least Bakugou and Megumi are carried by fujos despite their dogshit characters.
>>283335651This.Self inserting and the need to engage in parasocial relationships with characters had irreversibly damaged media literacy.
>>283335827Yuno has no good fujobait. Asta is just too weird and ugly for girls to ship him with.And frankly, there are no other options because Yuno is stuck with his squad who are just plain ugly as well except for Mimosa
>>283335952Poor Yuno, cursed by being prettier than everyone around him.
>>283335952I don't think BC has any fujobait to begin with which explains why it's such a black (heh) sheep in Japan. And AFAIK, Yuno only has one figure which is really pitiful when Bakugou and Megumi have at least more than 10 figs by this point
>>283334697>But Megumi is a deuteroganist. He's also been the second guy to Yuji. Just that Gege refuses to give him focus. He's always just Yuji's sidekick but never the starYou're pretty much explaining why he isn't the deuteragonist.Since being the first companion of the MC is apparently enough for you, would you also argue the deuteragonist of Death Note is Ryuuku? Why not Matsuda while we're at it, after all it's just that the writer refuses to focus on them
Rival relationships are kind of a dying breed, except perhaps in sports manga. There isn't even a rival for Chihiro in Kagurabachi.
>>283336022As a fujo who dropped BC on second ep, it's not that BC has no fujobait, it's that BC has the most terrible, most awful, less heartfelt attempt at fujobait I have ever seen. Like a guy tried to replicate a chocolate cake by appearance alone without knowing what chocolate tastes like.
>>283336130It's not even a well-executed rivalry. It's two brothers of wildly divergent talents who declared the other their rival and...then never acted like it. No one in BC is prouder of Asta than Yuno, and no one's more amazing to Asta than Yuno. They're the captains of each others' fan clubs, not rivals meant to be bested.
>>283335952Asta being ugly and weird looking wouldn't deter girls. After all, Yuji isn't exactly a conventionally attractive character and yet girls and guys have a hard on for him and itafushi is a very popular ship
>>283336174Sounds based.
>>283335581>Megumi doesn't deserve the slander because his theming is more on his trauma than fulfilling his potentialEhh a dramatic question that stays around for more than half the manga is what Sukuna sees in him and how Megumi should use his powers to rise to his and Gojo's expectations so that's not entirely true. It's just that there was a twist on why that mattered and what his role was
>>283336179Yuji still looks like a normal teenage boy. Asta is a glorified muscle midget. And Yuno is a tall lanky pretty boy. It just doesn't work
>>283336174Worst thing is that needn't even be an issue because you could just throw an apple of discord on that ground, have them fight, and call it a day. Bam, fujobait achieved. But considered nothing BC ever appears in my timeline that probably never happens.
>>283336210And it would be, if they'd dropped the rivals act halfway through. But I have to give it to Tabata, he's stuck them with that "I'm going to be the Wizard King" shit all the way through, even though their actions have undermined that throughout.
>>283336260Anon there are fujos out there who ship Osomatsu and Kaiji. Looks are irrelevant.
>>283336179Yuji is hot in a boyish way. I think that's why he's a huge hit.
>>283333413Rival is such a male invention. Why can’t they just be friends that help each other when trouble arrives?
>>283336296Asta is literally demon possessed and Yuno is the heir to a rival kingdom to the one they both serve and they DO NOT FIGHT EACH OTHER. Not even once. They are so deep in each other's pockets they can do no wrong in each other's eyes. It would be tooth-rottingly cute in any other series.
>>283336339I blame Naruto for the trend.
>>283336339I mean. That's what Megumi is.......sort ofHe only fought aloongside Yuji one time. He's more of a friend to help his sanity like with Shibuya when he was feeling guilty about all those deaths
>>283336296>>283336377It’s been a while since I’ve caught up to the recent chapters, but I always had this question at the back of my head>Why does Yuno exist?Yuno does nothing for Asta’s character, or challenge him. Yami has infinitely greater impact on Asta.
>>283336423Rivals done right, until they didn't need to be anymore. But Ranma 1/2 also isn't a proper shonen.
Here’s a TRUVKE NVKEYuno and Asta should have been on the same team.
Japanese people now want to live slow life
The best rival i've seen in manga so far and one of the few times where a character gets fucked by the choices he made
just seems like no one in modern days can pull off the dynamic in the right way. The formula is there but most fuck it up right from the jump. It doesn't have to be friendly atleast at first. The mutual respect can be earned
>>283336339That's what Yuno and Megumi are, but people have issues with them. The writer of MHA tried to make Bakugo that, but people don't buy it because of how awful he was to Deku at times.>>283336377I like that Black Clover didn't have Asta and Yuno turn against each other. A lot of times the 'friends turn against each other' plots in manga/anime feel forced.
>>283336534Most "rivals" start out by friends or becoe friends early. It’s not common to have a rival that’s just a dick/enemy/antagonist
>>283336455Yuno being the gifted prodigy over Asta's magical incapability was the challenge, which Asta overcame with HARD WORK and DEMON POSSESSION to stand alongside Yuno with. What flips my lid is why Yuno had total faith that Asta would catch up to him from like Day 1.
I think modern authors are staying away from the toxic rivalry that Naruto and Sasuke are known and just have them be friends or siblings from the startMHA>Bakugou: I get it but this dude was never that vile enough to be a villain. Not even towards Deku Todoroki: He's just an awkward friend to DekuBC>Yuno: Just a friendly albeit smug adoptive sibling to AstaJJK>Megumi: Never ever a rival. He's just a friend to Yuji. Him fully aware that he didn't want to get strong cemented this fact that he's never meant to be a rival to Yuji
>>283336548>I like that Black Clover didn't have Asta and Yuno turn against each other. A lot of times the 'friends turn against each other' plots in manga/anime feel forced.I admit, it subverted my expectation after the Yuno parentage reveal than he didn't immediately flip onto Spade side because it's his fucking birthright.
>>283336591The problem with Naruto and Sasuke was there was barely any friendship between the two, even less from Sasuke's side. There needs to be a balance which is missing even now.
>>283334888>Bakugou Doesn't hog the spotlight and is wholefully irrelevant to the story>MegumiDoesn't have any sort of ambition or motive beyond his sister despite everyone and the grandmother glazing him>YunoIs like Tabata saw how shitty and gay Naruto and Sasuke's relationship was and did the exact opposite with Yuno and AstaOf the three Yuno feels like a very obvious call out to Sasuke the rest share the same DNA.
>>283336515That was done in a different series.
>>283336568I thinl a good conflict for them would be>Yes, Yuno is Asta’s friend and roots for him, BUT Yuno does’t view Asta as his equal or someone he can rely on.Asta having to prove himself to Yuno would be a decent path for their relationship. Granted I would also make Asta much less OP from the get go. Once he gets his anti magic he kinda stomps everybody until beast man arrives, which is kinda lame.
>>283333413Because the rivals have no real motivations of their own so they don't feel like real characters, just plot devices to move the story along for the MC.
>>283336591It always did feel like every shonen rival felt like a piss take on Sasuke and still managing to be popular. Like Megumi and Bakugou should've been unpopular considering what have they done in their series but they're not. They're still somehow raking in tons of money. I say Yuno failed because his screen time got cut a lot because he's on Golden Dawn instead of Black Bulls.
Hear me outBattle shonen, but it’s a love rivarly for the girl in the trio.
>>283336591>>283336709Old shonen were like this too though. Naruto is ironically a rare exceptionGon and Killua were immediate friendsYusuke and Hiei tooSakuragi and Rukawa were proto Yuji and Megumi aka friends
>>283333413Of these three which one should have went the Sasuke route and went on a "dark" path for a good while?
>>283336809By all means. Megumi had everyone reason to go evil. If we go by parallels. He'd be the Geto of the modern day JJK story but he didn't. Sukuna had to literally force him to use his body to be a villain.
>>283334888Well yeah, that whole generation of shonen was just everyone doing their own rewrite of Naruto. It extends past the rival characters. The crazier thing is that the Naruto fanfiction formula was successful enough that there were three of them running in the same magazine for a while all selling over 100k
>>283336809Megumi. All the shit that happened to him and he would rather kill himself than to be a villain. I was surprised he didn't considering we all thought he was the Sasuke
>>283334888I wouldn't say Bakugou is a take that at Sasuke. That's more Todoroki if anything. He's the resident prodigy of the number two hero but he's just a very awkward kid and the story pokes fun at that
>>283336809I thought Aki would be that in CSM, but then he got merked.
>>283336830>>283336861Gege did a twist on that too. Megumi's body did all of those horrible things but it's Sukuna's soul whose piloting him
>>283337013The therapy in the aftermath of that had to be CRAZY.
>>283336030Death Note's deutaragonist is L since the first half of the show has him take the most focus and pov after Light literally the entire point of the show was les about rooting for Light to kill L or L to catch Light and more about how they both try to outwit one another in satisfying ways.
>>283336128I unironically blame the rise of gay marriage and the hightened awareness fujos are shipping in the background. Plausible deniability doesn't exist anymore so authors can no longer use rivalries to shelve their repressed (or not so repressed) homosexuality into.
who was the last truly great rival?
>>283336861>we all thought he was the SasukeOnly the muhparallel morons really
>>283337013>>283337035Don't worry. He apparently learned Binding Vows to transfer his trauma and brain damage to Yuka
>>283337082db had some good rivals.> krillin> Bejita
>>283337054They just hide it in plain sight now. Blue Lock, for example, just made everyone rivals to each other despite being on the same team.
>>283337082The last hardcore rivalry I remember is Inaho and Slaine in Aldnoah Zero.
>>283337144Fair enough I do like how BL treats rivalry I just wish there was a battle shonen as a shameless as Blue Lock when it comes to homo rivalries.
In reality. They realize it's easier to make a character popular by just having them be friends from the start which worked really well with Megumi. I can't really count Bakugou. Deku has a weird ass mind for thinking they're friends
>>283337217>Deku has a weird ass mind for thinking they're friendsSomeone in a past thread said Deku has the mindset of a battered wife. Can't unsee it after that.
>>283333413They lack a good everything, except anime adaptation.
Pretenders to the throne, make way for THE PRINCE
>>283337013Card-carrying members of the Raped By Sukuna's Soul club.
>>283336709Too be fair the rise of characterfagging and Tumblrisms shaped the perception of character popularity before you actually had to....do shit in order to win readers favor but now the way to gauge the popularity of certain characters can be divided into;>Are they attractive >Can I ship themYou dont even have to write anymore because they can just make up a personality thats completely at odds of how theyre protrayed in canon. Its why female characters tend to ALWAYS rank low now even when a portion of the story focuses on them because if you're a character fag you're never going to care about anything outside the only one you give a shit about even if they're fucking dead. Its more apparent what happened with MHA when you compare the first poll with the last poll.
>>283336525You actually might be onto something. As the point of shonen ceases to orbit around bettering yourself, getting stronger, or reaching high goals only one guy can get, the narrative need for rivals and the works where they can exist may be lessening in numbers. Until they're no more than another ingredient chunked into the pot out of habit, as opposed to being needed or even central to the recipe.
>>283336887>That's more Todoroki if anything.No? Todoroki was Gaara and even had the asshole dad
>>283337211Shokugeki no Souma?
>>283337516Too straight and not a battle shonen
>>283336534Kaiba is too much of a jobber.to be all that great.
>>283337396that's only the fujo half of the fanbase, you're forgetting about the half that literally only cares about "aura farming" and power levels.
>>283333413megumi is not a good rival because he isn't a rival at all. He is Yuji's friend and they never compete in any way. Just because he has black hair and has an emo look doesn't mean he is a sasuke clone.
>>283337561>you're forgetting about the half that literally only cares about "aura farming" and power levels.Those people don't participate in polls or even know they exist
>>283337527How is a cooking battle school not a battle shonen?
>>283333413read kagurabachi if you want to see a great protagonist rival.
>>283337712Those are enemies, not rivals, but that is the closest thing to it in KGB.
>>283337712I will not read soulless slop, thank you.
>>283337712Doesn't work. Hiruhiko is a villain
>>283337866vegita started as a villain too
>>283337054Being aware of fujos didn't stop Kishi.But there is much less innocence and sincerity behind the writing of male relationships in shonen nowadays. Mangaka are aware of and shamelessly pander to fujos in the designs and tropes they choose for male characters. The mangaka know, the readers know, everyone knows what's going on except some particularly delusional fujos who think their ship has a chance. It's all so fake and tiring.
>>283336709Yuno failed for a number of reasons, including what you listed. His character was always only about Asta and progressively the story stopped pretending he wasn't a mary sue, because the story needed to add powers over powers on him attempting to boost his popularity. Add to that the complete lack of personality and it's easy to see why Yuno failed. In short, he's a shit character
>>283336515No, Yuno should simply have died at the beginning like that author planned to
>>283337054>people are now more awere there's a profitable market about people shipping rival characters> and that's why they aren't doing them anymoreare you retarded? do you think shonen jump and the people that work there hate money?
>>283337866The most iconic rivalries are between enemies though. Friendly rivalries just don't have the same spark to me
>>283333413Rivals are outdated. No one gives a fuck about them anymore. People don't have patience for that crap. The only thing that matters is if the MC is OP as fuck and wins every fight, if not then your series will flop.
>>283335323Bruh I forgot about Uryu. Lol it seems they tried to make him a half ass rival to Ichigo in the last arc but too bad I don't give a shit about Uryu as a character.
>>283337987See>>283336661
>>283337984They're more terrified of losing their dinosaur readership and their reputation than concern over money. It's why everyone who is anyone is eyeballing Owari no Seraph closely for how it might turn out.
>>283338058Not really into sports animes though I can see the appeal and how it probably has entertaining rivalry dynamics because its competitive by default
>>283338281Furudate gives a masterclass in layered rivalries in Haikyuu.
>>283338281I hate sports anime and rivalries even more, but loved Haikyu. I would give it a try
>>283333413Bakugo and Deku's dynamic felt too silly to be interesting. Cucku seriously acted like he was Bakugo's little bitch, I can't put it another way. What was Hori thinking?
Megumi is more memorable than most rivals. Like, who can top him having the most memeable line>WITH THIS TREASURE I SUMMON Not helping that there's a good amount of promo material whether it be toys or anime art depicting him doing the Mahoraga hand signs
>>283337712Isn't this just a subversion of rivalshit where Hiruhiko insists he's Chihiro's rival but gets shrugged off at every turn. Every attempt he makes to cement himself as Chihiro's rival just ends in a humiliation ritual for him.
>>283335323>people forget Uryu was so unpopular despite being in the Big 3.Lmao he was Ichigo's most popular friend/ally only second to Rukia and the most popular antagonist turned friend overall
>>283338338>>283338379I'll consider it. If there was a sport to draw me into the genre it would be volleyball
>>283338554?popularI've seen more Kenpachifags at cons and in real life than I've seen Uryufags.
>>283333413Sasuke is the ONLY good anime rival in all of shonen.>Megumi, not even a rival, just a weak jobber>Bakugo, not even a rival, just a weak jobber>Yuno is too lame and corny to ever be intimidating>Vegeta, too much of a jobber, not a threat to be Goku to be a full-on rival>Luffy doesn't have one set rival (Blackbeard/Akainu/Imu/etc.) so the dynamic isn't as strongSasuke is literally the only rival done right.
Isn't solo leveling also another series that lacks a rival to the MC?
>>283338507He's gonna initiate Chihiro's bloodlust by killing Samura
>>283333413Why did you make this thread again?
>>283338554I have never seen an Uryu fan in my life. Not even female fans. They get the hots from Grimmjow more
>>283335581honestly, Bakugou isn't the problem, It's everyone else around him. All Might acting like him and Deku are best friends, no one paying any mind when he's having a spergout when they're talking about what to do next, in the middle of a mission, or just chatting before bed or some shit. He just can't keep his mouth shut, usually over nothing, but no one seems to give a single fuck, it's just unnatural. At least most people were telling Naruto that Sasuke was a violent terrorist and he needs to give up on him, everyone just tolerates bakugou throwing a tantrum over nothing all the time
>>283338652>>283338993If it's any consideration. I have yet to see a Renjifag and an UryufagPeople rag on Megumi and Bakugou but I definitely know they have tons of fans backing up their popularity despite all the hate they get.
>>283338993>They get the hots from Grimmjow moreIchigo x Grimmjow is unironically the most popular fujo ship. I guess that's the best rivalry in Bleach for them. But Bleach was always more of a straight ship series hence the Ichigo x Rukia ship was more prevalent.
>>283339077Hmm Bleach was very popular in my area growing up. I remember kids at school would watch hell verse on their phones or talk about if they seen it. But even during that period I have never heard a peep about Uryu. I atleast seen a few cosplays and women who drooled over Renji’s design, but Uryu? Nothing.
>>283334697I still don't consider Megumi to be a deuteroganist precisely because of that. He was never given a focus arc of his own. Gojo got one and so did Yuta. But Megumi has always been living the shadows (kek) of everyone and he didn't want to be in the spotlight but plot pushed him to the spotlight whether he likes it or not. His lack of agency is a sign of this too as he's only limited to just Gojo, Sukuna, and obviously Yuji. I do think Gege wasn't expecting Megumi to be so popular though. That might've ruined whatever plan he had for him outside of Meguna.
>>283339077I know Renjifags exist. One of his fights was cited to be an author's favorite (can't remember who) so he has that going You're right on Uryu. Legit can't remember him having a diehard fanbase. Not even when Bleach was still running
>>283339324>I do think Gege wasn't expecting Megumi to be so popular though. That might've ruined whatever plan he had for him outside of MegunaMy guess is that he was supposed to be put on a bench when he got bitch slapped by Mahoraga. Make him retire temporarily like Nobara did and only coming back to when Yuji brings back Tsumiki. This is so that Meguna can still happen
>>283339077I know Renjifags exist. Mostly homos. Still never met an Uryufag
>>283339696I knew a few from when the story was in soul society arc.
>>283336658>Is like Tabata saw how shitty and gay Naruto and Sasuke's relationship was and did the exact opposite with Yuno and Asta>Of the three Yuno feels like a very obvious call out to Sasuke the rest share the same DNA.Care to develop on this?
I think Yuno would've done fine on a Shounen that has fujos. Black Clover is an oddball where it has mostly male fans even though the girls aren't really attractive looking
>>283333413Megumi isn't a rival nor a deuteragonist. In fact. His real role is just being the MC's resident loser friend you see in tons of series. It's just that he's a bit too important.
>>283341042>A bitIt was certainly more than "a bit"
>>283341042I equate Megumi to being the Junpei/Yosuke/Ryuji of the group. The games hate the MC's best friend while the MC gets prepped up constantly
>>283341042He was supposed to be the deuteragonist, but instead became the damsel in distress and his role got supplanted by the mentor, Gojo, or even (arguably and only periodically) the antagonist, Sukuna. It could even be said that JJK had an evacuated deuteragonist role that no one actually filled, and the load was instead shouldered by several tritagonists.
>>283342513>Sukuna I wouldn't count that. I say Yuta
Hm... Beyblade.
>>283338789>Only clean win in all of Part 1 was.......................... Yoroi
>>283343311Yuta was there five minutes, Sukuna was in Yuji's head 75% of the run.
>>283343639He beats Naruto at the end of part 1?
>>283337712I love Hiruhiko but you can tell how much Hokazono regretted killing off Sojo, he really should have been a constant threat throughout the series.
Is JJK worth watching or does it turn to shit and pisses off the fans.
>>283345032M*ppa made the anime unfaithful on purpose. You need to read it, if anything.
The age of true hot blooded rivalry is over. It was a peak 00s stuff. Only a few authors can pull it well now, like Ishida, but he does inject a ton of psychologism into it.
>>283337984Kek you're naive if you think these people can write stuff they hate into their comic for money. You might be aware of what sells but that doesn't mean you are ready to commit to drawing it everyday. Comic artists draw what they want to see first and foremost.
>>283338507>subversion of rivalshit where Hiruhiko insists he's Chihiro's rival but gets shrugged off at every turn. Every attempt he makes to cement himself as Chihiro's rival just ends in a humiliation ritual for him.I haven't read Kagurabachi but that sounds like a rivalry to me. It doesn't need to be aknowledged by both characters to be one. If that were the case then Deku never had a rival kek
>>283339077The admin of Bleachness, the livejournal community that outed Gene Simmons's son for plagiarizing Bleach, was an Uryuufag I'm pretty sure. She shipped Uryuuhime and then Ulquihime.But yeah Uryuu was far from a favourite, even among women. He had some popularity surge around the time of the TYBW arc because people expected him to matter, but yeah that didn't pan out.
>>283347813>that outed Gene Simmons's son for plagiarizing Bleach,Wasn't that an ichirukifag??
>>283333413Rivalries only work when they are both equally as strong. Which is why it worked in Naruto and nothing else.
>>283345032It's fun battle shounen slop.I don't get people who say mappa ruined it by making the animation too flashy when all style no substance animation fits perfectly for an all style and no substance manga.
>>283348829This is just a low T issue. If you appreciated the flow and purpose of fights you'd easily see the difference.
