She did get mad after he said no ???
>>283335969Oh man the shipfags are back after 111 years.
>>283335969romance was never Kishimoto's thing. He didn't even try to hide it
>>283336057Then why even bother with it?
>>283336076editor
>>283335969NS was never happening, and you were repeatedly told during the mangas run.
I'm still mad to this day that Ichigo and Rukia never ended up together. It's one of the reasons I never really went back to revisit Bleach since it ended (the other being that the final arc was terrible in general).
>>283335969This is why kishi sucks with love , the fucking fake confession fucked up everything.And caused this war between faggots arguing over who will marry who
>>283336057Sakura is better from narrative standpointBut Hinata is hotter
>>283335969Sakura's central character goal is that she wants to redeem Sasuke and be loved by him. She is a completely passive figure in this regard, as Naruto, Itachi, and Hashirama are the ones who end up driving Sasuke back to the light. Sakura's own goals are achieved, but not through any action of her own. Naruto achieves his goal of being acknowledged by being an active figure and Sasuke kills loads of people through his own agency. Sakura is worse than a reactive figure - she isn't even connected to her own goal.Sakura's motivations for her own goal are nonexistent. Why does she love Sasuke? We never find out, even though it is the thing that matters most to her in the world. Even Karin, who is basically "Sakura but crazier* gets a scene devoted to showing why she has such a profound love for Sasuke.Sakura's reactions as a character are poor. Why does she love Sasuke after he tried to kill her? It's not played for laughs like it is with Karin. It's supposed to be a beautiful, profound love but it just makes Sakura look weak. Naruto, as part of his character are, understands that if he doesn't continue trying to work things out with Sasuke, if he perpetuates the cycle of hate, then people will just keep killing each other and nothing will get solved. Sakura does not follow this. She just loves him even at her own peril.akura's growth as a character is extremely stagnant. She starts out as a doormat for Sasuke who cries at the drop of a hat and ends up in the exact same way. Literally, her major actions in Chapter 699, thending before the epiloque, are that she cries because of something Sasuke says and then lets him do whatever he wants without repercussion. She has not developed as a character. Her superpowers are no character growth.Character limit - I have
>>283335969All Kishi had to do was not write Sakura as unlikable bitch and it would have been fine. It really wouldn't take much to make hers and Naruto's relationship bloom into something more that didn't look like she was settling, especially with Sasuke being such a cunt the whole time. As for Hinata, writing them as close friends would have been fine too and since they really didn't interact all that much, writing her crush as simple infatuation would have been a good way to show she wasn't really in love with him and no one would be able to complain.I'd agree though, going for no ship route would have been much better than it was now with how badly it was done. If he really wanted one ship over the other, Kishi really should have taken his time to properly develop it.
>>283336057Oh there's romance, just not straight romance
>>283335969Kishi wanted it to but it god so much hate, personally I prefer Naruhina but it could have been better written , kishi accidentally wrote more chemistry in cannon with naruto and sakura then he did with hinata.
>>283336259What did Kishi mean by this??
>>283335969Naruto could smell the bullshit from a mile away. That's why.Sakura is an Uchiha pump 'n dump.
>>283335969Everything after 450 is just a downward spiral the series never recovered from.Shipping is the least of the problems.
I just got down watching Road to Ninja, and they regressed her character HARD. Especially at the end. >their adventure is over and Sakura finally understands life in Naruto's shoes>doesn't invite him over for dinner and lets him go home alone
>>283336057If you think that's weird remember there are One Piece shipping fags,craziest shit I've ever seen
>>283335969Hinata actually likes and respects him so obviously that's the better choiceNeither of them are actually great though, I don't find either of these particularly compelling
>>283335969The manga is already over long ago, what's the point of this
>>283337032450 is such a sharp dropoff from peak to clownshow that there should be a term for fics that begin there. Stories that begin at 699 have too much baggage attached to them to even entertain.
Naruto and Sakura actually spent a ton of time together, grew closer and got to know eahh other well. If Kishi wasn't such a bad writer, he would have had Sakura grow out of her shallow crush on Sasuke and have her end up with Naruto instead, a guy who actually liked her and protected her when the other guy tried to kill her.Naruto/Hinata on the other hand doesn't work at all because they had almost no interactions across the entire manga and Naruto has never shown even a tiny bit of romantic interest in her. Even after she confessed and nearly died for him, he went back to ignoring her right after which shows how little he cared about her feelings. That's also an example of Kishi's shit writing because I really can't see him ignoring her like that but oh well. Beyond that, her crush on Naruto is equally as shallow as Sakura's crush on Sasuke. She saw him as a hardworking guy sure but that's literally it. She doesn't know anything about him besides what she saw from stalking him from around the corner.All in all, with how the manga was going, NaruSaku was the better, and more logical choice to go for with everything that has happened. If Kishi truly wanted NaruHina to be the end goal, he should have developed that relationship throughout the manga. Draw chapters with them interacting on a more intimate level, have them get to know each other better and spend time together. More importantly, have chapters where Naruto shows he sees her as more than just one of his friends. There were plenty of opportunities in the manga where a few pages could have been dedicated to that but for whatever reason, and my opinion is that Kishi actually didn't plan on NaruHina being the endgame, those never happened.These are the reasons why this whole shipping bullshit is still getting discussed even years after the series ended. NaruHina is not a bad ship in an of itself but it was never developed properly.
>>283337547The asspain kishi caused Sakurafags was hilarious. Hall of Anal Devastation was insane.
>>283337595Some good points amid the salt.
>>283337732>>283337547
Yeah that's the rub isn't it?Relationships in this series are so bad that the gay ship actually solves some of the biggest problems with the story, even though it's obviously stupid and wrong
>>283336175Sakura is better from narrative standpoint AND hotter than Hinata
>>283337732Sakura is better from narrative standpointBut Hinata is hotter
>>283335998>>283337595Time to make a stand fuckfaces. Either the writing is terrible and thus you can't truly agree any ship works because nothing was ever properly written and established improperly or you stand by your shitty ass ship and defend the poor writing. You are no longer allowed to play both ends of this and act the superior.
>>283337732because it was what actually drives the story
>>283335969Didn’t kishimotos wife get mad at him because sakura didn’t get hitched with Naruto.>and kishi based sakura off his wife.
>>283337547forcing in naruhina at the last minute, sasusaku had to get together, naruto and sakura can't interact with each other as much (same with hinata & kiba and hinata & shino and sasuke & karin), neji died for a stupid reason (and he got ship-teased with hinata a lot), and kurenai, kiba, shino, and team taka got thrown to the wayside. (Naruto, sakura, and Sasuke being inspired by kishimoto, his wife, and his twin brother respectively - along with the unconfirmed rumor that hinata may or may not have been inspired by kishimoto's mistress - definitely made the studio pierrot naruhina decision more awkward. No wonder his wife didn't talk to him for weeks because of naruhina and the manga staff, anime writers, animators, voice cast, movie writers, and short story writers were surprised and pissed when they found out about studio pierrot forcing kishimoto to make naruhina canon endgame
>>283335969Shipfags are back with more crazy antics to justify their delusions.
>>283336231>>283337547Sakura would have got too much hate. Lots of the fandom believe she doesn't deserve Naruto and would complain that she got with him just because Sasuke was not the best option anymore. Hinata fans boys would have been pissed too of how Naruto didn't take into consideration the only girl who like him from the start. At the end it was Kishimotos fault he was trying to do a love triangle with team seven, plus the situation of Hinata and he wrote horribly all of this relationship. Sometimes I believe that Naruto as a series would have benefit with not making clear the couples. Like we could see just how Maruto is Hokage and let the rest to imagination
>>283338255 There's only one set of delusional persons here, and it's the persons defending shit writing.
>>283335969The entire point was that her feelings weren't genuine. Sakura is just a legitimate piece of shit.
>>283338555Wasn't she purposefully being a piece of shit to protect Naruto?
>>283338555>>283338715Nit a ship fag but her eyes did ball up after he calls her out.
>>283338783All women do that by instinct when they're caught doing heinous things.
>>283335969Are you autistic? Her feelings weren't genuine. It was a lie to manipulate him into coming back and giving up on his search. She was upset because it meant he was dead set on throwing his life away to find Sasuke and try to drag him home kicking and screaming in spite of the objectively awful things he's been doing for some time now.
>>283335969kill yourself narutard
Naruto Shippuden
>>283335969Her feelings were genuinely so shit she didn’t even try to hide it.
>>283337732this isn't true. As Sakura herself said in The Last, and Naruto confirmed, he didn't love her; he merely didn't want to lose to Sasuke, because she loved Sasuke. Naruto fell in love for the first and only time with Hinata. It wasn't "liking" like Sakura liked Sasuke, but on both sides (Naruto and Hinata) a sincere and unconditional love. Hinata didn't love his appearance. She didn't love that he acted a certain way. She didn't love him for being a hero and Hokage, like other girls who ran after him later. She knew that he had Kurama inside him, that no one liked him, that he didn't have parents.Unlike almost everyone (even Sakura, who thought Naruto was annoying because he didn't have parents...) she loved him unconditionally. Hinata was the woman Naruto always needed, and when he finally discovered it, I'm sure he loved her just as endlessly and unconditionally.
>>283335969Their feelings were genuine????LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOMY SIDES!!!!SAKURA ONLY LIKED, LIEKS AND WILL LIKE SASUKE THE GIGACHAD.SIMPRUTO WAS SIMPLY A NUISANCE TO HER.STAY MAD NSKEKES.
>>283336259>>283336765I really don't have any stake in Naruto's shipping wars but if the 友よ were an afterthought then he would've stopped at 唯一 and not included the の. Here 友よ being singled out at the end is more for pacing? rhythm? impact? (not sure what word to use here) purposes. Something dramatic to say as he delivers the blow but still part of the original thought, like when people shout each other's name as their about to cross punches or something.Japanese is high context and omission (省略) is a common feature so Naruto not repeating the 友 part is just standard speech; it's already been stated that they're friends. That being said, Kishi, Naruto, and Sasuke are all faggots
>>283338181Kishimoto also said since so many fans hated Sakura and he couldn't make them love her, that's why he didn't focus on her family
>>283336231>All Kishi had to do was not write Sakura as unlikable bitchHe wanted to make her realistic bc he had to read young girls magazines and psychology books to ever understand how realistic 3dpd girls worked. Seems he basically picked 3 prerequirements.>Be a cunt towards people below her social league.>Simp people above her league and actively fawn over them, even be willing to abandon everything for them.
naruto never loved sakura romantically, what he had for her was just a need for womens love ofc he had iruka but women love is different. if u disagree with me on that. whatever he had for her died when she hugged sasuke but he kept trying cuz that's the type of person he is. also naruto never said, I love sakura. he alway used the term like , which is completely different . he also stopped askung her out as time passed. but I think the fake confessing was point where naruto gave up on her.
>>283336057He didn't even focus on it. Blame the retarded girls getting into animanga for the first time crying that their self insert lost.
>>283339865Yeah Naruto is so starved for affection that he doesn't even know what he wants from Sakura. He says some things that are at odds with the idea that he had a crush on her, more like he was enchanted with the notion that she'd treat him nicely.
>>283336201I reread Naruto and Sakura is written more as a bookworm cadet who become a medic. I support her and Sasuke cause she sees being Tsunade's drunk interpreter and covering her gambling debts isn't a life for her.
>>283339865Anime Naruto had so much chemistry with Anko, Ino, and Kurenai that I am baffled he didn't get Samui
>>283340207So, Naruto was a simp towards a stacy bc he wanted what he lacked, got it.Now, kill urself NSkek.
>>283336387It didn't start getting hate en masse until the false confession. That was when even Sakurafags flipped their shit when the manga was being published. People were livid. Sure, there were plenty of people who preferred Hinata, but any balance between the two was obliterated when Sakura knowingly manipulated Naruto by using his feelings for her as a means to an end. Had Kishimoto not written that, way fewer people would have had an issue with the two of them ostensibly ending up together.
>>283340416>Anime Naruto had so much chemistry with InoWhen ?
>>283340554It's admirable that up until the epilogue material they thought NaruSaku could still land after that. I wonder what their thought process was.
>>283340416>>283340704Ino and Naruto actually have great chemistry.in cannon as soon as the pain arc ended she said she fell in love for him
>>283340704Ino is probably a big fan of Naruto's. After the Pain fight she said she could "fall for him". They are both loud on occasion, blonde and both like plants. They also both married relatively quiet individuals.
>>283336125I don't really get why it's suddenly switched to Orihime , they barely have any chemistry.
>>283341130>>283336125Orihime is hotter though..
>>283340737>I wonder what their thought process was.Childhood association to other couples from the series they watched since childhood.Many people who watched/read Naruto were raised seeing Ranma & Akane, Ash & Misty, Shinji & Asuka, Taichi & Sora (and Kouji & Sayaka & Hikaru & Misa in some countries where Mazinger Z & the Macross part of Robotech were still having reruns) being at each other throats, having constant interactions on screen and walking a thin line between love and hate and associated that to true love and sparkling chemistry.It was a period where internet access was scarce and the only assumptions about japanese couples was that they "bicker a lot like an old married couple" simply bc of an old school mecha romance series showing that.
>>283341130>I don't really get why it's suddenly switched to OrihimeBecause that's what Kubo planned since the fucking one shot.Animeonlies also were stripped away from a character definition moment from Orihime that did appear at the manga: her being the only one who didn't find Ichigo creepy or scary, but funny instead.
>>283341231If you're into empty headed bimbos then sure, but I always hated that shit.Plus started to look worse every arc, her best version was her in Hueco Mundo , looked elegant instead of a whore as she is now.
>>283341021That's not what she said, anon. She just says he was a great guy and that she could see herself falling for a person like him. That's a far cry from outright saying that she was in love with him. Besides, Kishimoto is nowhere near enough of a chat to let Ino win. She actually had character development.
>>283341376So in other words she is saying she adores him.
>>283341365Might be misremembering,but when did Rukia say Ichigo was scary? And didn't Orihime kinda walk back the "not scared" part in Hueco Mundo due to Ichigo using his hollow powers?
>>283341456I'm still salty that we didn't get much of any Naruto and Ino interactions, best we got was that filler episode in OG Naruto where they were sent on a mission together.
>>283341456Yes>>283341500She also did a cute little impression of his rasenshuriken fight.
Does Sai and Ino have any chemistry whatsoever or were they just the leftover picks for each other?
>>283341803>leftover picksPretty much, no idea what kind of autism Kishi had that he made Chogi go with Karui , did they even meet? Shika was almost guaranteed to be with Temari , so Choji ending up with Ino would make more sense than Sai.
>>283341857She did not age well holy shit
>>283341962She has red hair so Choji thought he was getting a good deal on an Uzumaki.
>>283341962Cloud fuckers don't age well at all anon
>>283341130Because once Rukia decided to stay in Soul Society, the potential of a relationship went up in smoke.
>>283341962Black don't cr-ACK
>>283335969It's been 10 years. Boruto has had a 250 episode anime and a shitty spin off manga. Its over. Go home. Naruto married Hinata lmao.
>>283335969Dragon Ball isn’t really all well-written, but my god it must be doing SOMETHING right to avoid having shipfaggotry be it’s lasting legacy
>>283342349What does that have to do with the OP's question?
>>283342398>SOMETHING right to avoid having shipfaggotry be it’s lasting legacyHaving ugly and unlikable women
>>283342398Toriyama just hated romance, and any romance put into DB was due to editor influence.
>>283342400Because its the only answer degenerate shippers deserve.
>>283342463..so you? You do realize what thread you are in, right?
>>283342446>Having ugly and unlikable womenbut it’s naruto where people say it has all the realistic women
>>283336125>>283341130>>283341231Stop, chemistry does not exist on paper. Chemistry only exist in real life when you feel it. It's not a fucking feeling in a narrative setting unless the author specifically says so. Ichigo and Orihime was always the narrative outcome. Ichigo and Rukia together as friends was always the stated constant. Shippers are mentally ill, and need to stay far away from the author's intent. Over 500 meter at best, or at gun point at worst.
>>283341130It wasn't really a switch up. Orihime was shown to be into him constantly throughout the first arc of the series. So much so that she was willing to "team up" with Rukia and turn him into a herb protagonist, despite Rukia denying any interest in him beyond friendship. I definitely like Rukia more, but the thing Kubo ACTUALLY did wrong was failing to show Ichigo developing feelings for Orihime and reciprocating her advances. It's obvious he intended them to end up together, it was just really poorly written much like pretty much all romance in battle shōnen.
>>283342733>Stop, chemistry does not exist on paper...this has to be bait, are you actually illiterate?
>>283342733I just said Orihime is hot
>>283342733>Stop, chemistry does not exist on paper.This is just a blatantly media illiterate take. Capable authors are absolutely able to write palpable, endearing chemistry between their characters. Yes he was obviously meant to end up with Orihime. No, that doesn't mean it was convincingly written. "The author says so" is not a good excuse for try characters ending up together. They have to put in the legwork to make it believable or fans are going to be unsatisfied.
>>283342804It's kinda ironic isn't it? That a side non romance character get a lot more development with the MC instead of the "main" girl, I assume it's because when an author already has a girl in mind from the start he just forgets to develop it properly since in their mind they are already together and doesn't show it properly to the audience.
>>283336259>Naruto is the story of a man being aggressively pursued by a homosexual until he is forced to submit to the other man's love
>>283335969>if her feelings were genuine
>>283337732Naruto's love for Sakura was shallow, though. passing it off as "Sasuke rivalry" was a retarded retcon.
>>283342952I wouldn't call it "ironic". I'd just call it "bad character writing".
>>283336175>>283338081>Sakura is better from narrative standpointPlease be bait.
>>283343105>"bad character writing"Sure,but this seems to be consistent with way too many authors.
>>283342506I don't ship, I simply state the facts of an already finished story. No amount of whining will ever make a crackship like narusaku happen.
>>283342804harem protagonist*
>>283343150>I don't shipBut you do, you're literally in a shipping thread saying you ship Naruto and Hinata , just because it's official doesn't mean it's not shipping.
>>283343149Well yeah. But it's not ironic. It's just really unfortunate that shōnen writers aren't willing to put in the research and effort to try to write fulfilling romance stories between their characters. And even more regrettable that they don't realize that no romance is always preferable to badly written romance.
>>283338715no, she saw it almost as a form of martyrdom for herself. Like she was punishing herself for ignoring him and pursuing Sasuke. In her mind, Naruto was still a downgrade not only from Sasuke but even compared to herself; she still viewed him as fundamentally 'below' her, in spire of all he had accomplished. To her, she 'deserved' Sasuke but was willing to 'settle' for Naruto. That's why she viewed it as some selfless act of concern for a friend, because fundamentally she believed she was better than him. It's an extremely woman-coded way of thinking, which is why Kishi should be commended for writing one of the most realistic depictions of a woman in shonen history.
>>283343190Not that anon, and I'm fine with shipping, but this is a fucking retarded statement. Someone saying they're fine with a two characters ending up in a romantic relationship in fiction =/= shipping.
>>283343227>And even more regrettable that they don't realize that no romance is always preferable to badly written romanceTrue, it's like having a perfectly good meal,but you just keep adding unnecessary spices that ruin the food.
>>283340704in the filler episodes where he gets partnered with her.I particularly liked the fat princess episode, one of the funniest in the series.
>>283342398>>283342446>>283342512>>283343233Kek, nailed it
>We need to accept the canon ships because the writer is terrible at writing relationships and they wrote a sequel that is also dumpster garbage!Nah.>hina-shippers can't justify their ship without having to defend all the piss poor writing or just use it as a veil to excuse their ship of being an actually good oneThere's more denial here than the "tobi is not obito" posters from back in the day.
>>283342398shipfaggotry being it's "lasting legacy" is only a thing on /a/, /dbs/spic
>>283343256>Someone saying they're fine with a two characters ending up in a romantic relationship in fiction =/= shippingBut that's not what he did
>>283342860Chemistry is just a shallow argument that people use to justify their ships and their delusions.
>>283343337Holy fuck you just unlocked a core memory. I've never seen the phrase "BTFO" typed more in my life than when the chapter where Tobi claimed to be Madara dropped. The number of smug, self-satisfied retards who had no idea how wrong they still were was mind-blowing.
>>283343337Naruto x Hinata is 100x better than Naruto x Pinkshit.
>>283343190I don't give a shit that Naruto and Hinata got together. I just enjoy the butthurt from people, a decade on, who are still mad it happened and is set in stone.
>>283342804The whole first arc was him and Rukia bonding and everything he did after that in going to rescue her from the soul society.Orihime was just some side character that had a crush on him and he paid almost no mind to despite having the biggest ass tits. SHE was nothing more to him than an aquaintance he barely talked much with There was far more chemistry in Rukia's relationship and so much more built on it, the dude went and risked his life over a girl he only knew for a short time. Kubo clearly had Rukia in mind for the pairing in the early stages of the story but somewhere during all the corporate meddling they swapped it.
>>283343396himetard cope
>>283343411Ha you thought I was a sakura shipper? You lose, I think they all suck because the relationship writing is piss poor. No one was written well for a proper relationship. Back to your hole with you.
>>283343410Indeed, and it's these same type of smug people I see posting about other stuff they don't know anything about, they haven't grown at all.
>>283343531I fully agree that Ichigo and Rukia had more chemistry with one another. You'll hear no argument from me in that regard. Though I don't think the fact that he fought to rescue Rukia is really a point in her favor. He did the same thing for Orihime the very next arc, and he'd only known her a few weeks longer than Rukia seeing as they met in their first year of high school and Bleach begins in late April/early May of Ichigo's first year. Like I said: I like Rukia more. A lot more, in fact. She's my second favorite character behind Ulquiorra and I don't particularly like Orihime much at all. It's just obvious that Kubo didn't switch up who Ichigo was meant to be with. He simply did a poor job of writing it. I'm not overly invested in shipping outside of series where that's the whole point of the narrative (I love haremslop) but I definitely would have been nominally happier with the ending of Bleach had Ichigo and Rukia become an item. Though that's not saying much since 60% of TYBW and the ending of Bleach in general is fucking terrible.
>>283343579>Not necessarily
>>283343454>I don't give a shit that Naruto and Hinata got togetherBut you obviously do, otherwise you wouldn't be here, in a shipping thread, proclaiming people shouldn't ship because there's an official couple. The things you say and the things you do seem to be at odds anon.
>>283343728>Peak og Naruto design was wasted on this writers pet.Sad...
>>283336125It doesn't seem to make sense on paper but it happens between people. Circumstances get in the way and you end up chosing someone else. Not gonna blogspot but I was in a similar situation. Minus all the supernatural shit.
>>283343531this highlights the problem. the first two arcs are the only arcs the majority of Ichigo-Rukia shippers watched, even though they make up maybe a quarter of the series. Everything after Rukia's rescue makes it clear that she already has a guy she likes and Orihime is going to win the Ichigobowl.
>>283341456>>283341052>>283341021I got to give it to Ino more than Sakura. She didn't look down on him and treated him how she would to everyone, while being a secret admirer
>>283341857>did they even meet?IIRC the Cloud clowns duo never speak with anyone from the Leaf other than Naruto or Tsunade
>>283335969Series doesnt exist
>>283343915>is the only girl besides Hinata to cheer for him his match with Neji during the chunin exams>is more excited than any other character when he returns in Shippudenhmm
>>283343579>No one was written well for a proper relationshipWhatever you say pinkshitter
>>283335969Yamato wanted to slap her hoe ass for that stunt. Don't let them whitewash her dumbass move.
>>283335969>Naruto was madly in love with her and would do anything to support her>Ultimately chose the deadbeat who never showed any interest at all and even tried to kill her to knock her upWhat was Kishimoto trying to say here?
>>283343984This is because Ino actually got character development. For some reason she got everything Sakura should have gotten in regards to getting over her childish obsession with Sasuke, and growing into a more mature, level-headed character. It's wild how little focus she actually gets within the narrative considering she's a genuinely well-writtenb female character in a series that only has a small handful of those.
>>283335969>>283344027If only kishi moto knew how to actually write, such as pic not happening proves otherwise.
I swear to god 80% of posts here are just copypastes from previous threads
>>283344106It's been a decade since this series had ended. We're all just regurgitating the same arguments that people have been making for years because there's really nothing new to say on the matter. It's a serviceable way to kill time.
By virtue of being completely irrelevant outside of comedy spinoffs, Tenten has been saved the fate of being part of the self-insert harem shitfest
>>283344085THIS IS THE BEST ENDING EVER. THIS DESERVES TO BE IN THE MAIN ANIME. I STILL CAN'T PROCESS THE DAMN ENDING IN THE ACTUAL ANIMETSUNADE WOULD HAVE BEEN PROUD!!!!!!!!!
>>283344175speak for yourself, she is MY wife.
>>283341962she just took the hairband
>>283344027The one scene in boruto that shows her and sakura wine and dine talking about their kids and the dangers of being a ninja.>sakura talking about the inner fears of having sarada die during battle.>ino >well thats the life of a shinobi one must be prepared to expect the worst in such case !!!>come on sakura you should have expected it since day one of her acadamy.Pure development in plain text
>>283342733>Ichigo and Orihime was always the narrative outcome. Ichigo and Rukia together as friends was always the stated constant.This. Especially when Kubo called Rukia the "Female protagonist", while Orihime was called the "Heroine" (concept used to depict love interests... except in super sentai or battle mahou shoujo)
>>283344337Why the fuck would I know that a scene like this exists? That would require watching/reading Boruto and there are a million things I'd rather do than that. Like sounding with a soldering iron.
>>283342860Bruh, both in reality and fiction, you have to accept having great chemistry doesn't guarantee a couple happening, especially when they have different lifegoals or dreams. In facr, most lifelong couples don't even have chemistry, they even started hating each other and repelling each other, yet they fucking ended up settling and working well simply because they aim for the same thing.
>>283344175>Tenten has been saved the fate of being part of the self-insert harem shitfestBoy do I have some bad news for you
>>283343915It's because Ino was more levelheaded and battle hardened than Sakura. Mw, Sakura was the typical valley alpha stacy who looked down at beta simps and losers and aimed for the school ultimate chad, and only started treating a little bit "nice" towards her number 1 loser simpcelcvck simply bc the ultimate chad called out her bullshit.Sakura may suck dick as a character, but she was at least REALISTIC.
>>283344025Besides, the other witnesses.>Kiba: naruhuna shipper>Lee: Sakura simp>Kakashi: knows her story with Sasuke.>Sai and Yamato: know fuckall about Sakura's circumstances and only assume. Especially Sai who's an autistic being.
>>283343728I will give you that one, but I was meaning the main cast. It's funny how some support people actually got good outcomes.
>>283344472I'm not even going to dignify this unfathomably retarded comment with an articulate response. You're a fucking moron and you sound like an incel.
>>283343992>thinking this small section over 700 chapters is enough to establish anything properly.This is why you fail.>thinking I'm still a pinkshitterwithout evidenceSakura didn't get jack shit either for it. This is why I'm calling all of you out.
>>283337248York and Luffy are endgame, btw
>>283343890read the whole thing my guy. Imagine thinking that Orihime got anything close to what Rukia got in the first two and then thinking there was anything establishing renji as anything more than friend especially after he almost let her die over stupid shit. Orihime and Ichigo only got a handful of scenes compared to Rukia and Ichigo and even then they weren't romance ones,. just establishing their friendship.or are you really trying to say Orihime shouting Ichigo's name hundreds of times makes him fall in love with her? lol She was a fucking one note for most of the series
>>283343700Rescuing orihime was partially due to his own willingness to save people and friends from danger combined with his own guilt for him leaving her in a position where she got kidnapped. WIth Rukia he wasnt saving her out of friendship, she had given him so much and he wanted to repay it. Orihime gave him...some healing and was a cheerleader for him. That's it really.
Sakura has no reason to like Sasuke, and Naruto has no reason to like Sakura. >>283335969This is like if your sister confessed to you. Gross.
>>283344768Face reality, moid. Chemistry alone can't maintain a relationship when the 2 parts aim for different things. Eventually they'll end up parting ways.Actual relationships that stand the test of time are formed by people who, independent from their different circumstances or lifestyles, both aim for a common goal.Imagine if you are having the most sparkling and vibrant relationship with a woman you met and got along too well... but when your goals demand you to stay in a fixed place while your partner wants to not stay in a single place, then you know the relationship is doomed. If there's a thing people will never negotiate it's their life projects.Meanwhile, maybe you'll have a woman next to you who can't stand your presence and viceversa, and the coexistence can't even be sustained at first, but time and some forced cooperation at work or as neighbors or in an extra makes both of them know each other better and by the end they can't imagine a life without the other, even if they lacked chemistry.Now, go cry to >>>/c/rystalcafe, moid.
>>283335969>i believe shippuden should have ended like this with narusaku in order to further prevent the boruto series.Plain and simple after everything happened after the war this should have happened wether it be hinata or sakura.https://youtu.be/8m48S9DnIZ0 [Open]>The big reason why (the good portion narusaku shippers).are still mad and absolutely in denial is because in a way the show takes the rest of the series.>after that scene and after naruto saves her theyre should have been a scene were they both discuss after what happened.Rebuttal for the (naruhina winners)>after the pain arch there should have also been a scene in the hospital were naruto talks to hinata after what happened. It would’ve helped boost more development for both relationships to then finally be formed after the last arcs in the story.>but kishi does not know how to write.
>>283345060Ahhh yes the main character the hero gets the girl in the end.
>>283345060In english please
>>283344974what are Sakura and Sasuke's united goals?
>>283345060But Sakura never showed any interest towards RATruto
>>283344930All of these things are objectively true. They also prove that Ichigo is willing to rescue a damsel in distress regardless of whether or not he has romantic feelings for her. Ichigo is a reactive character. "People in danger" is the only thing that ever gets him to do literally fucking anything throughout the entirety of the narrative (except trying to get his powers back in the Fullbring Arc I guess but that arc is shit). Be that infiltrating an enemy fortress to rescue a girl he's known for a few months, or training in a pocket dimension for the umpteenth time to "get strong enough to protect" the people he cares about. He really only has one motivating factor, and ascribing romance to that motivation really isn't in step with his character writing, even if it should have been if Kubo wanted people to accept the ending.
>>283344974For your consideration.
>>283345117>the main character the hero gets the girl in the end.That was a misunderstood cliche.The main hero, when he has a romantic interest, 99% of the cases ends with the character labeled as the heroine, no matter if she's the "female protagonist" or a side character. Other than, let's say Mazinger Z, it's quite rare for an MC ending up with the main girl, even in romcoms or dramaromance series, the girl who ends with the MC has less screentime than the character who's fated to part ways with the MC, even if she's the main character.An infamous example nips still resent 'till nowadays: Hikaru didn't end up with Minmei, but with fucking Misa of all people, the side heroine ended up winning because she and Hikaru shared a common lifestyle and purpose, while Minmei's lifestyle and purpose always clashed with Hikaru's and even wanted him to give up on his passion.
>>283345287Listen to your own advice and neck yourself, moid.>>283345235Sakura at one point was willing to help Sasuke to rebuild the Uchiha clan.
>>283342733>Chemistry only exist in real life when you feel it.not even this. people gravitate towards people that similar to themselves. even couples end up assimilating each other personalities and routinesif anything, it exists to censor the fact that stupid kids love danger due to the fact that females that behave like stupid kids (most of them) gravitate to criminals. media is simply encouraging idiots to never grow up.chemistry is nothing more than cock carousel in idea form
>>283345331God damn this guy is mad. Did you forget to take your lithium pills, anon?
>>283345060Should’ve just made a cannon episode , after war ere naruto gets love proposed by both sakura and hinata , at least not make it in that tone with a full blown kiss but , have them both sort of take initiative.
>>283345331Sakura didn't care about the Uchiha clan from a philosophical standpoint, she just wanted to fuck the class Chad because the other girls wanted him too. her 'goal' was to be with Sasuke, end of. So your argument about "aligned goals" falls flat, because her and Sasuke's goals are even less congruent than her and Naruto's.
>>283345331Kek trolled
>>283345331Sasuke doesn't give a fuck about rebuilding the Uchiha clan, only restoring its honor or something, idk I didn't finish Naruto.
>>283345495early on he says he wants to rebuild the Uchiha clan but doesn't elaborate what he means. the story never addresses the sexual side of that claim. He doesn't switch to 'restore the honour' until after Itachi's death.
>>283345331Sauske should’ve stayed single and just go around the world and fuck anything that walks with his appeal.Imo it woudlve been better if he just had multiple kids from different women in different villages as a way of repopulating his clan but hey >Kishi is a pussy to even consider writing that
>>283344793>thinking this small section over 700 chapters is enough to establish anything properly.Yet you said it did for shikamaru and temari >>283344738 pinkshitter.
>>283345580>let the harem begin and many women would be happy to get that exclusive uchiha cock.
i quite like ramen of the daily variety
>>283335969She lied to him so he would stop chasing sasuke.
>>283345674
>>283344027Most women only want chad.
>>283342398Wrong. Gokutards still mald and cope over Vegebul to this day.
>>283335969Sometimes i wonder why kishi wrote sakura similar to kushinaHmmm
>>283345768Goku fanboys are autists who hate romance, and only hate Chichi because she's a woman who distracts Goku from fulltime battling. If it were up to them, Goku would've birthed Gohan asexually like a slug.
>>283345248Which is why my argument for Rukia is all the stuff prior to that. Something Orihime never truly got in the entirety of the rest of the series.Orihimefags want you to forget all that and just focus on handfuls of friendship scenes in the later sections as somehow meaningful when in reality they don't even make up 1% of the entire story.
>>283345789Similar personalities, sure. Similar writing is a stretch. Kushina was actually a well-written character.
>>283345789>Sometimes i wonder why kishi wrote sakura similar to kushinaHe admitted it was deliberately to troll ship fans.
>>283345789as a red herring to keep the audience guessing on who Naruto would end up with. he admitted to it. Kushina-chan even tells him to "find a girl like her", it was very much out of an attempt to troll readers.>>283345708cute
>>283345814Like I already said, you'll hear no argument from me that Ichigo's eventual relationship with Orihime was not well supported by the narrative. It just happened to be what Kubo was obviously going for.
>>283345789>>283345824No wonder narusaku fags are pist
>>283345708Would. Next question.
>>283345617 Side/Support characters don't usually get romance arcs and like 90% of things for them happen off screen. That is COMPLETELY OKAY for a side/support character. This is just whataboutism meant to distract from trying to justify the absolutely abysmal situation with the main characters who should be getting whole chapters and arcs devoted to this shit.You have nothing to explain for this.There is nothing you can prove.,You are the shitter here.Get fucked.
>>283345861Maybe but I'm not even sure if that's what Kubo wanted. It may have been his company meddling.
>>283345870Shitt
>>283345923He referred to Orihime as the "heroine" from pretty early on, IIRC. That's otaku speak for "love interest". Rukia was treated more like a deuteragonist in the first arc and supporting character following Soul Society.
>>283345892You're not you when you're hungry, anon. Have a Snickers.
>>283346017this is what she deserves.
>>283346123True and baste.
>>283346017Why frown thats what she wanted
>>283346171she thought she could 'fix' the bad boy and turn him into a domesticated pet, but got bitch slapped with reality instead.
>>283346017>Nothing was lost >Naruto gained genuine love >passed good genetics to his offspring >very beneficial for the hyuga clan and their ancient politics and beliefs>gets to have fun
>>283340207>I'm not even 20, no alcohol for me!Shounen mangaka are such geeks lmao. You read somewhat realistic "teen drama" style manga set in highschool or first year of uni and everyone is drinking, smoking or occasionally doing drugs. Obviously premodern Japan had no issue giving booze to teenagers either, except maybe that good booze was rather too precious to waste on shitty brats.
>>283345768>Gokutards still mald and cope over Vegebul to this day.Who even does this besides Torishima?
>>283346013>If I twist these translations for one single word I can make up whatever I want so I can ignore literally what the entire manga didn't show.I've seen these gymnastics before. They were old and tired back then too. Do you have some actual evidence?
>>283346306Yet another reason that Grand Blue is fucking awesome.
>>283336125This, except Tatsuki. Imagine if she got some powers of her own and went along Ichigo to SS instead of being essentially dropped from the manga aside for a few panels here and there.
>>283346060I don't accept free candy from the 4chan party van, sorry. I'm also too old for you.
>>283346365>Do you have some actual evidence?Neah I'm nowhere near interested enough in this to bother with that. Especially since you let acting continually buttmad no matter how often I agree with the promise that Ichigo ending up with Orihime was badly written. Truth be told, you seem like kind of a douchebag.
>>283346438Hyuuga cuties..
>>283346306They're not allowed to depict minors drinking which is why sometimes minor characters will get drunk drinking barley tea.
>>283346584Cowardly ass editorial not letting authors have based water in their mangos.
>>283346448 It would be nice if there was something written for me to say was badly written but you offered up nothing. But as usual, you guys never have anything and can't produce anything so you will perpetually always lose this argument I'm happy to be kind to people who deserve it but I will be absolutely ruthless in an argument especially when I know I'm not the one who's wrong and I will not apologize for that. "I bet your fun at parties" types of accusations don't phase me because I don't debate people at parties and I will always be kinder to my friends.Byebye!
>>283346584>t-t-t-they're not allowedI'm telling you they get away with it even in fucking shoujo magazines, and less dorky shounen mangaka do it too. IIRC, GTO in Weekly Shounen Magazine had goddamn middle schoolers getting piss drunk with their teacher (and that's probably the least scandalous thing that happened in GTO)Replacing booze with barley tea is some Toei sunday morning cartoon shit, although editors at WSJ had a stick up their ass back in the 00s too (that's why protagonists from that era virtually never killed anyone like it was some capeshit comic)
>>283346799>I will always be kinder to my friends.Oh, anon. You know you don't have any of those.
Sakura should've ended up alone just like her master. Because by end Naruto wises up and chooses Hinata and Sasuke never gave a fuck about her to begin with. Bonus points if she tries to make a move on Naruto after everything, only to get rejected a final time.
>>283347147she shoulda ended up with Lee
>>283335969>her feelings were genuineWomen with Japanese names do not have genuine feelings
>>283346385It was genuinely a big wasted opportunity that Tamaki wasn’t present in the Arrancar arc.A big part of her initial character is that she’s really protective of Orihime. Tatsuki awakening to her powers to help Orihime is, like, the most natural segue to bringing her into the main story you could possibly have. Especially since Orihime herself first awakened to her own powers to save Tatsuki when she was in danger
>>283345817Naruto also had a boisterous personality like his mom.Seriously speaking, Minato was soft spoken and demure, even for a hokage like him.
>>283347218Why would you wish something so horrible on such a kind young man?
>>283346262Hiashi won
>>283347272>Tamaki*TatsukiI have no idea how I made that mistake
>>283347288friendly reminder Lee has a son in Boruto but it's never shown who the mother is.
>>283347090Not on here I don't. But that doesn't matter. Yo9u have no friends to tell anyone that anyway.
>>283347272Kubo realized he had no reason to care about the supporting cast of characters he established in the first arc after the characters introduced in Soul Society garnered instant, unshakable popularity. Uryu was kept around because "muh rival", Chad because "muh friend", and Orihime because "muh love interest". Tatsuki was too nuanced and too osananajimi for Mr. Tight to give a fuck about her.
>>283347364I have a few. None of them are autistic mangofags like I am, though. Hence I come here. Though we do talk about Dragon Ball pretty frequently.
>>283347366Orihime was kept around because fanservice (her tits kept getting bigger and more shown off) and to make the main character look cooler and more of a "chad" since all the ladies want him. More so than the literal guy named Chad.
>>283347366I mean Uryu got some expanded importance in TYBW which was niceChad’s treatment was just criminal though
>>283347404>I totally have friends but none that share my interests!So you don't have friends.
>>283347460You only have one interest that you're able to share with others, anon? That's sad. I feel sorry for you.
>>283347670Nah my friends actually share most of my interests, one of them is probably on here fucking around in another thread.None of that matters though, this is just another distraction from the fact you haven't found any evidence to your argument. I have no interest in your fanon headcanon of me.
>>283347759I was never looking for evidence, anon. I'm reading manga. Cheer up, buddy. For every losing heroine you love there's a winning one equally worth your attention.
>>283342860using the word "media literacy" is just as bad as using -coded, dumbass zoomers.
>>283347827>I was only pretending to be retarded and I didn't really carelol, right. That's why you're monologuing about it. Tell me more how you are just fucking around and just enjoying stuff because everyone will totally believe that here.
>>283347906But it's true, anon. I'm 39 chapters into Nisekoi. I already know how it ends but I thought I'd give it a read. It's not very good.
>>283347366Maybe I'm just too One Piece brained, but I always expected Ichigo's crew to get their own individual wins in all the arcs and pull their weight somehow. And then they just... didn't. Like at all.(One Piece itself has had some issues with this in recent years, but you get what I mean)After Soul Society, it feels like the actual main characters became the Captains + Ichigo. I think something like Fire Force did a way better job at balancing the main cast (Company 8) with the other company captains.
>>283347980>reading something you know is "not very good">doing it it anyway despite finding this out>knowing the ending too and doing it anyway>wasting time with that instead of reading something better>posting here while reading that
>>283347458Uryu was kind of treated like shit in the TYBW manga version too. The anime gives him a boost though.
>>283348091I've read a lot of manga. Literally tens of thousands of volumes. Plus the nature if my with affords me a lot of downtime, and living in a deep rural area means I don't have a lot of things to do with it. Plus, I enjoy experiencing new things, even if they don't always click with me. Variety is the spice of life. At the very least it's way better than To LOVE Ru.
>>283346013I know he said that, but pic rel is what he chose as the cover of the final volume.Orihime was always the love interest but the "heroine" (i.e. the female lead) imo was always Rukia.
>>283348312Heroine doesn't mean the same thing to writers of otaku media like manga and light novels that it does to native English speakers. It doesn't always refer to romantic interests, but it usually does.
>>283348393"Heroine" means the most prominent/important female character.Nami is considered the heroine of One Piece. She and Luffy are not romantically involved, but she is still the heroine.Rukia is the most prominent/important female character in Bleach. Therefore she should logically be considered the heroine.
>>283348185I wouldn't know, I read neither.
>>283348451Not in japan, there they use female protagonist for prominent/important girls while heroine is used for the love interest. The obvious exceptions are super sentai series or aeries where you have main girls being part of the battling cast.Rukia was never called a heroine by kubo, but simply a female protagonist and nakama at most.
Anyway, the term "heroine" in otaku speak exists simply because nips don't have a term for "love interest" (they have one for unrequited love interests: kataomoi, but not for reciprocal ones).It usually can overlap with "female protagonist" when you have an ensemble cast of fighters in a battle manga.
>>283344106You're not wrong, someone posted my image + text from a thread a day ago and I recognized like 4 other posts from the same thread.
>>283337547What was it about Sakura that made Naruto fall in love with her? How did Naruto show that his love for Sakura was genuine?How is Naruto risking his life to bring back Sasuke any different than when he protected Sakura?Are you saying he wouldn't have done the same for any of his other friends?>If Kishi truly wanted NaruHina to be the end goal, he should have developed that relationship throughout the mangaYou can say the same about NaruSaku. Only naive people think that friendship will always automatically turn into love.
>>283336201It's most likely a coincidence, but Sakura ended up being a somewhat realistic character: she's shallow and only infatuated (not love) with Sasuke because he's a badass.
>>283335969It wasn't a retcon. It was intentionally written to be a manipulative lie. Which is bumfuck retarded writing
This thread reached so many replies, when i originally made i made it to tease /a/ about the old ship days.>tried it with boruto and it failed
Sakura is a bitch. There's no other way to say it. She's a jerk to her friends, hitting Naruto and Sai, breaking her friendship with Ino over Sasuke, telling an orphan that orphans have it easy, asking only Sasuke if he's okay during the big team 7 reunion during the war when Naruto is standing right there, the list goes on and on. Kishimoto thinks this is funny, but she's just a huge cunt.Sakura is useless. This would be okay, since tons of other characters are perfectly useless but still lovable, but Sakura keeps bringing up how she's caught up to Naruto and Sasuke and then having how blatantly false that is shoved in our face, time after time after time.Sakura's backstory is, like her motivation, practically nonexistent. Her parents are filler. Her big tragedy is being picked on in school for her forehead, a tragedy from which she is saved from by her best friend, whom she then parts ways with over Sasuke.In being so useless with no motivation, backstory, or character arc, Sakura wastes our goddamn time. She has more screentime than most characters and all female characters, but most of that leaves us with panel after panel of what amounts to substanceless fluff. Naruto is 700 chapters. It's already bloated. We didn't need our time wasted even more. But she didIf you can name a single other character with every single one of these flaws, then I will concede. But you can't because Sakura
If you're a "man" and you genuinely care about any of this faggotry then you are a low t failure and a troon in denial so just go ahead and kill yourself
>>283342446Fuck you, Bulma is gorgeous on top of being useful and a key character. And sure, Milk hit the wall after having Gohan and became a nagging wife and mother, but she's a far cry from being unlikable.
>>283335969to appease the black hinata fans
>>283336175How is she better from a narrative point? Just because she's the one Naruto was obsessed with for most of the series? They make it clear she didn't actually like Naruto and only retarded Sakura shippers refuse to see it
>>283336057He did make a pretty good romance story with Naruto and Sasuke though.
>>283351928Your other thread likely failed because people have 20 year old agendas for Naruto and not all Naruto fans even touch Boruto.
>>283352660personally, from a writer's perspective, l'd prefer Naruto and Sakura because!>It gives Naruto's long emotional journey more payoff and follows hero winning girl.>It lets Sakura truly grow and recognize real love.>It closes Team 7's story in a more intimate, human way.Kishimoto didn’t make NaruSaku happen because he wanted Naruto’s feelings to evolve, Hinata to represent unconditional love, and the romance to follow a fairy-tale ideal not a realistic emotional change.
>>283352932You're running in circles. Explain what makes Naruto's love more true than Sakura's.You want her to move on from Sasuke, but at the same time, you don't want Naruto to move on and need him to win Sakura like she was a trophy.Naruto's payoff is being respected and recognized like he always desired, and becoming a Hokage. Having a wife is a plus, not a necessity, for his story.>It closes Team 7's story in a more intimate, human wayExcept that it leaves Sasuke floating around, the three having a strong bond among them is a good enough ending.But if your idea of a humane closing is romance, then end it in a polygamous marriage.> Hinata to represent unconditional love, and the romance to follow a fairy-tale ideal not a realistic emotional change.That's not any different from a bland, generic MC for whom a girl falls in love just because.
>>283348312This volume cover cracks me up everytime, as if Rukia didn't became a glorified background character halfway through the story, Kubo is shameless.
