What truly motivated Eren to initiate the Rumbling?Was it to protect Paradis Island? Did Eren believe that the only way to ensure the survival of his homeland was to eliminate the rest of the world?Was he trying to recreate the world from Armin's stories? Perhaps Eren wanted to erase the current world and build a new one, free from walls and fear, just like the one Armin once imagined.Was he overwhelmed by power and emotion? Could it be that Eren, consumed by anger and past trauma, lost control and became a prisoner of the immense power he possessed?Was it simply part of his nature? Eren had shown a willingness to kill for freedom even as a child, such as when he murdered Mikasa's captors long before gaining the Attack Titan and its future sight. That drive was not taught but instinctive. Yet he met Armin even earlier, and Armin's dream of a liberated world may have influenced Eren's violent tendencies, giving them a grander purpose. Maybe the Rumbling was not just about destruction. It could have been Eren's distorted attempt to bring Armin's dream to life.
only Ymir knows lmao
He literally did everything he did only because he saw himself do it in the future, it's such a stupid explanation it baffles the mind. "Oh, I tried changing the future, but every time I did the future I saw actually came to be anyway" as if destiny has a mind of its own, it makes no fucking sense. You can't say "I tried not to rumble over that poor guy, but I could not!!!" when all you have to do is not step on the guy. Isayama tried to be deep as if destiny was something immutable but in reality Eren was just a weak idiot that gave up the instant he touched Historia's hand and became a puppet to his own visions.
The farmer is a cuck raising Eren's child. There I said it.
>>283345724Historia and that Farmer is the least believable romance in manga history. They fell in love because he...used to throw rocks at her? And she was into that? Fucker didn't even get a name. The Queen's fuckbuddy was just some dude that she didn't even seem into.
>>283345778>Isayama reveals the "final panel" of the manga years before it's finished>It’s Eren holding a baby>Everyone guesses immediately>panel randomly shows up in a dream sequence and ErenXHistoria goes nowhere because... she fell in love with a farmerIsayama cucked out.
the show ended when they all got wiped out at shiganshina by berutoruto and monke, rest is eren's fever dream from getting kicked off before dying from brain trauma
>>283343558Initially it seemed like it was because he exhausted all his other options. Peace was off the table and the island was about to be genocided, so he had no choice other than strike back.The two main issues that come after were:1. Why the fuck did it turn in to him stomping the entire world? A show of power would have been enough, maybe only stomping Marley. All their enemies would probably have been thankful and willing to negotiate afterwards. I also don't see how a few chapters of the Rumbling suddenly turned in to a world tour, when it just seemed like he only got to a few cities and towns at most.2. The last few chapters murdered his character. He only did things because he was predestined to. see >>283344479
>>283344479Everything involving that fucking worm and Ymir is stupid
>>283346577everything involving marley is stupid
>>283343558>What truly motivated Eren to initiate the Rumbling?>Was it to protect Paradis Island? Did Eren believe that the only way to ensure the survival of his homeland was to eliminate the rest of the world?>Was he trying to recreate the world from Armin's stories? Perhaps Eren wanted to erase the current world and build a new one, free from walls and fear, just like the one Armin once imagined.>Was he overwhelmed by power and emotion? Could it be that Eren, consumed by anger and past trauma, lost control and became a prisoner of the immense power he possessed?>Was it simply part of his nature? Eren had shown a willingness to kill for freedom even as a child, such as when he murdered Mikasa's captors long before gaining the Attack Titan and its future sight. That drive was not taught but instinctive. Yet he met Armin even earlier, and Armin's dream of a liberated world may have influenced Eren's violent tendencies, giving them a grander purpose. Maybe the Rumbling was not just about destruction. It could have been Eren's distorted attempt to bring Armin's dream to life.Eren did not initiate the Rumbling to protect Paradis Island, as he knew its destruction was inevitable regardless of his actions.He wasn’t trying to recreate Armin’s dream world, because his path led to annihilation, not liberation.His decision wasn’t driven by overwhelming emotion or trauma, but by cold acceptance of a future he had already seen.It wasn’t simply his nature or instinct, since even his earliest choices were shaped by the memories and burdens of the Attack Titan.And it wasn’t a twisted tribute to Armin’s ideals Eren’s actions directly contradicted the peaceful world Armin envisioned
"Before the retcon of the ending It was very clear.Eren was no 'fool with power' he had been contemplating his options for 4 years and when certain with his choice successfully outplayed Marley, his government and Zeke at the same time.The main 'overt' reason was to protect the island (including his friends and all he loves). This is obvious and the core conflict of the show.The inner 'personal' reason was a personal disgust/hatred/disappointment for the humanity outside of the walls. Eren could see everything in Armin's book but the existence of these people made it so he couldn't enjoy any of it. At the medal ceremony the image of his Aunt eaten by dogs interrupted his ocean speech and he couldn't enjoy the scenery of the ocean because of what waits across the other side. Enemies.This is why only mid rumbling when no one can stop him can he enjoy 'That scenery'.The tragedy of these two motivations is that 1. his friends reject the rumbling and will have to conflict with him and 2. The mass of innocent life Eren has to kill (like Ramzi) hurts him.Despite this he still finds achieving this freedom and personally wiping his enemies away worth it.Yes his nature of kill or be killed and his freedom boner fuelled the rumbling along with wanting to not have Historia used as breeding cattle.At least that was the conflict until it was made to be sparing 1/5th of the global population to perpetually continue a cycle of Eldian rape and 'it was for muh friends specifically' who he killed two of and ostracised the rest from his island of which he left defenceless and ruled by a government names after the man who genocides 80% the world (good luck with the PR).Eren in his own internal monologue said 'ill wipe them out, every single one of those animals, off of the face of the earth'100% was always the motive and it was clear why.80% then lose, fate slave, Mom killing, contradicting motive, 'I don't know why', 'I'm an idiot' Eren isn't canon"
>>283348629Wtf I written this yesterday you just copied and pasted my response to the same clone thread and didn't even fix the spelling/grammar mistakes. Are these threads just bots or smth?could of at least posted it as a screencap or green text is since its not your own words.
>>283349604Yes, they're bots
>>283343558Is the ending that shit? Should I watch it???
>>283343558His friends + innate desire.
>>283349701Makes sense, also just noticed the quote marks so I guess that's on me.>>283345778Yeah everyone says ending haters wanted a le hecking romance with Historia and eren when really we just wanted something to come out of what should of been an obvious red herring and a pay off that makes Historia more important than just 'ill get preggers to not eat Zeke for one month'. Also this idea of Historia breeding for the sake of some plan was literally one of the main reasons Eren rejected the 50 years plan so him then seemingly having sacrificed Historia in this same manner didn't sit right.There were so many different theories on how Historia having this baby (she would obviously name ymir) could be important to the ending both in plot and theme but nah she just wanted to bang her abuser like every other woman in this shit show.Ymir, Mikasa, Annie, Historia. All 4 of the most important females in the story love their abusers.karl fritz gained a 2000 year empire from itAnnies dad got a super warrior who saved the world for himEren got to end the titan curse manipulating and mentally abusing Mikasaand the farmer got to fuck the queen.Literally all you gotta do is say sorry or be a little nice after abusing a woman in this world and you get em soaking.If anything its a consistent theme that abusing women lead to devotion and high achievement.Thanks for the lesson Isayama
I wonder if AOT is going to be like evangelion and people are going to discuss it for the next 30 years
>>283350229I think so. The ending is such an abomination to writing and yet somehow so many people don't see the thousand flaws staring at them. Because of this debate over it will continue forevermore. Also the story was too based to have a good ending so any /pol/tards will seethe about what could of been till the end of time. As will I, The rumbling would of been the most daring and memorable ending in fiction if Eren went through with it but instead we got somehow the safe avengers level 'everyone is here' battle in what was once a dark fantasy where people die instantly to basic titans and on top of that we got a total pull back on Erens motivation along with a total character and worldbuilding assassination that breaks the story from start to finish.Game of thrones was awful but at least it was awful for 2 full seasons. Aot was at the finish line. flawed but salvageable, It could of been a masterpiece of a tragedy but now the only tragedy is how shit it is.
>>283343558>be eren>live entire life in confinement>learn to value freedom from young age>have childhood robbed from you as you watch family brutally die, and spend formative years serving military>continue to lose people you care about in what almost seems like a hopeless fight for freedom>face betrayals from people who should have no reason to be fighting against you>after several years of fighting, finally end the oppression beyond the walls where freedom should finally be achieved>instead find out worse is waiting for you beyond confines of island and you aren't actually free>learn about outside world and find out everywhere is filled with close-minded chuds who wants you and your people either dead or oppressed because your ancestors 2000 years ago were evil transforming jews.>get blackpilled>yet, these same people who hate you are all normal people just like you who largely share the same desires and motivations as you >unable to envision an amicable solution, and despite not wanting to inflict suffering, desire for own freedom outweighs empathy>come to realization this is the only way to achieve what hes been striving for his entire life and it becomes more of a "duty" than a "desire">sprinkle in some 4-dimensional gaslighting to taste >genocide to finally finish what you started as a kid
>>283350451The last stretch of SnK was as good as what came before. The story didn't become bad or less coherent from one chapter to the other.
>>283343558Him being the cause of the Rumbling and seeing the future where he does it takes some future sight dumbfuckery but can at least be argued in his favor. That bullshit where he said he knew about EVERYTHING happening was completely retarded though. It made the entire series an "it was all a dream" sort of thing and it pissed me off.
>>283350732Wow you know what, I'm convinced, you asserting a retarded claim with no backing just moved me in ways I never thought possible. that was worth the wait for the captcha cause now the world can know. I hope someone screencaps it and uses it to convince others. Thank you.
>>283348629>>283349604>muh retcon
>>283343558>What truly motivated Eren to initiate the Rumbling?The Rumbling was likely the Worm's plan. Eren and Ymir's brains were too melted by Paths to really understand what they were trying to achieve. The Worm might have had some nefarious plans involving humanity's extinction and planted the idea into Eren, but the manga ends too soon before properly elaborating on what the Worm even was.
>>283351073>muh no argumentThe ending chapter (which got retconned twice with the added 8 pages and then the anime rewrite) is literally a bunch of reveals of character and worldbuilding all of which annihilate said character and worldbuilding across the story. Almost every line of that chapter can have an essay about how much it fucks with everything. But no, not retcons at all bro just trust me bro authors don't change their minds and make changes ever.
>>283343558He did it because he wanted the world to look like the book. Actually he did it to save his friends. No, he did it because he was predestined to. He did it because he saw all the futures and the rumbling was the only way to save his friends. He didn't have a reason, actually, he started acting like a nationalist and got a bit too into his character. He actually did it because he wanted to bang Mikasa.
>>283350087As much as I hate Aruanni, at the very least they interacted with each other and had some chemistry before they implictly hooked up. Farmer literally only exists to bait a plot twist that never came.
I miss him
>>283350087Isayama loves NTR, so of course he's into women worshiping and living for assholes who treat them like shit.
>>283343558it was retconned twice, don't think too much about it
>>283351686I don't think the farmer was an intentional red herring. I think Isayama's intention with her was always clear, his choices were just so odd that people couldn't help but read more into it. Historia legitimately fucked off from the story to prevent the cannibalism plan and that's it, that's her character after everything she was involved in.
>>283350087Abusing women is based isayama was right
>>283344479>"Oh, I tried changing the future, but every time I did the future I saw actually came to be anyway"This and this:>>283351582Are making me think that maybe Isayama read the Dune series and decided to poorly copy some vague plot points.
>>283344479>Eren was just a weak idiot that gave up the instant he touched Historia's hand and became a puppet to his own visionsEren who happens to be famously known for accepting the world as it is.
>>283343558he forgot lmao
>>283351869This. You have to convince me that Eren 'freedom' Yeager learned that his fate is to live 19 years of hell, kill his dad, brother, two of his close friends, 80% of the world, fail to stop the conflict, use god level time powers only to kill his mum and nothing else then get killed by the woman he loves not acquiring freedom and he folds to this? Eren would do whatever it takes to break fate and the 'the paths are across all time' give him the ability to do so.They just give him this level of power and only say he used it to keep this fucked up hell timeline in tact which makes no sense.>>283351839The anime did try and fix this with this line but its lazy. what did he try and do exactly? It's a throw away to make u stop thinking. I bet Isayama couldn't even think of an arc of Eren changing the past with god powers and it somehow resulting in worse for eren than what he was already in.Oh yeah basically all titan deaths across time are due to Erens allowance now.
>which got retconned twiceTake your meds schizo.
>>283352173Retcon: A piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events, typically used to facilitate a dramatic plot shift or account for an inconsistency.Explain to me how the ending chapter isn't just a bunch of retcons by definition.Then do the same for the added 8 pages that Isayama added weeks afterThen do the same for the literal rewritten ending for the anime that adds in stuff like 'I actually did try to change the past bro'You might actually be retarded.
>>283351839He read the Eternal Champion where the MC does exactly this but he goes through with it and wipes out one side of the forever war
>What truly motivated Eren to initiate the Rumbling?Incel rage
Eren straight up cries to a boy that he saved, one who he knows will die in the Rumbling, that a definite part of why he'll do it is because of his own innate disappointment that the world outside the walls wasn't what he dreamed of/envisioned from what Armin's book showed. When he learned humanity existed outside the walls, he was disappointed in their mere existence, wishing to wipe it all away as it was ultimately not what he thought the world outside would be.If he didn't kiss Historia's hand, that disappointment probably would have been the end of it. But now, we gotta deal with the solid concrete fact that Eren fucking SAW THE FUTURE and somehow ended up being destiny's BITCH despite supposedly trying everything he could to change what he saw only to end up staying the course because deep down he fucking wanted to do it anyway.Eren post-timeskip is a fucking loser.
>>283350732>suddenly force ghosts are a thing and do actual shit>suddenly what kickstarted everything was a very on the nose “Stockholm syndrome” that was never foreshadowed>suddenly Mikasa was the key of everything and its okay for her to never grow up and stay obsessed to eren even after he died>somehow eren can control the birds even three years after he died>somehow the scouts get infinite blade and gas for the final fight>somehow a whole army of shifters cannot kill a single scout when even just a bunch of pure titans used to be a huge deal>more over in a battlefied that is literally just a moving skeleton, literally no advantage for ODMG unlike in cities or forests>Falco flying just for an avenger moment, annie reduced to armi’s love interest, every single character flanderizedBut please..you are tooootally right…the last stretch was trulyy the same quality of what came before… if you suffer from a mental illness
>>283348629>Historia used as breeding cattleWhy was this bad I forget. Isn't that what women are suppose to do.
>>283354385Eren loves friendsEren loves freedomFor 50 year plan Historia would have to breed children who will be raised to eat her and be sentenced to 13 year lifespans on repeat. Basically royal cannibal cattle.Eren specifically rejects this because of his character and values while I think most other people wouldn't give a fuck, hell no one else in the story seemed to care. wasn't the main motivation anyway but that's the gist of it.
>>283350884>>283354266Yes, the writing of the series is consistent with what came before. If you were fine with Eren getting his way will the scouts were totally helpless then the story doing the reverse of that at the end of it is consistent with what hot it ever was.
>>283354557>the writing of the end*>with how it ever was*
>>283343558Every timeEvery single fucking time Japan does this "next stage of human evolution" or "people get superpowers bit"THE VERY NEXT THING THEY DO IS EXTERMINATE HUMANITYThere's no step three in this master plan.
>>283354557>Eren getting his way will the scouts were totally helpless> consistent with what hot it ever was.I'm having a stroke trying to read this holy shit I can't breath I'm arguing with an actual retard.
>>283343558He did it for the bit.
>>283354650Yeah, I'm sleepy and english isn't my first language, sorry for the confussion, but I think my point is clear desu.
>>283343558AOT is pretty genius, it's basically about what if you picked the worst person possible to be the protagonist of a story.
>>283354557The scouts are helpless against founder Eren. All but Levi and Mikasa would go to sleep if he told them "sleep". He could have had them incapacitated on Paradis and marched alone to rumble the rest of the world.
>>283343558IF I LOSE IT ALLSLIP AND FALL
>>283343558>He murdered Mikasa captors long before gaining the Attack Titan and future sightLmao read it again you mongoloid, why do you think child Eren suddenly adopted the attitude and demeanour of an adult?
>>283345778>he still doesn't knowThe baby is Eren's obviously.
>>283354754>EVERYTHING HAPPENED BECAUSE TIME FUCKERY.>NOTHING ABOUT THE CHARACTERS IS IMPORTANT OR THEIR WILL THEY ARE JUST PUPPETS FOLLOWING THE FATE>DO YOU RIKE MY ON THE NOSE META-NARRATIVE THAT DESTROYED ALL THESE 11 YEARS OF PUBLICATION?No, it is the most boring shit i’ve ever seen and i was rightfully angry at it since chapter 121.Unironically Expedition 33 did this bit better
forever the one true ending
>>283354937I'm not saying it was good anon; the self-fulfilling loop is downright dumb and Terminator did it better, but it was consistent with PATHS.
the series just sucks. it's okay to admit that
>>283343558>What truly motivated Eren to initiate the Rumbling? He wanted to be DEFEATED by a coalition of his countrymen and enemies, so the enemies might engage in diplomatic contact with his countrymen. Eren never cared about his nation or race, he only cared about his friends and family (except when he killed his own mother with time travel mind control magic, and doomed the offspring of his friends to die in a nuclear holocaust) >Was it to protect Paradis Island? For a few years. He could have protected Paradis forever, but decided to spare 1/5th of his enemies for some unexplained reason, ensuring the future genocide of Eldians. His plan made no sense morally, or logically>Did Eren believe that the only way to ensure the survival of his homeland was to eliminate the rest of the world? Eren wanted to lose. Did you not watch the show/read the manga? It's made pretty clear.The story was written by a literal cuckold - so of course the main character would be defeated and humiliated BY CHOICESnK was made by a cuck, to mock and subvert honor and heroism
>>283355007It was arguably consistent when the paths mechanics was only a tight small scale memory tism with attack holders only. When the fucking line 'The FOUNDER makes it so the past, present and future all exist at once' drops in order to set the rule Eren can manipulate all titans/Eldians across time it causes so many fucking paradoxes and plot holes the story simply can't exist. Fritz wouldn't allow Eren to be born to commit genocide and every fritz before fritz wouldn't allow fritz to be born to fuck Eldia over.The Eldian empire should of been a perfect 100% speed run due to this.There should be a million Erens and Fritz in the paths at the same timeBut then also the second Ymir enters the paths is the second she ends it meaning it should simply never exist.And then also this power only being used to kill Erens mom instead of literally anything else is retarded. And no, 'he made the choice because he had to preserve the worst timeline for him possible' is not a mechanic for the power itself. He has the power to control titans across time, why his 'self fulfilling loop' doesn't account for his actual wants and needs makes no sense because he would change it if so. Eren wanting the timeline he was fated to have would be an assassination. see >>283352056
>>283351686>As much as I hate Aruanni, at the very least they interacted with each otheRent free shitrentard lmao. The more a retarded incel envies another couple, the more cruelly his shipping will be destroyed. You're a trashy tranny, you should have kept your mouth shut and not insulted other people's pairings. Rent free cuck, rent free
>>283355128> Eren never cared about his nation or race, he only cared about his friends and familyWhich is also very OOC for him.He was smiling at the children watching the SC in amazement .He was worried for the children experience what him and his friends experienced in Shigashina and Trost when Rodd titan was attacking.He was crying for ramzei and his family thinking brutally killing them was horrible and unfair.He patted the head of the deformed titan before they reached the beach.He was pretty much dead inside in Marley at the idea of killing innocent people during chapter 100, and even forgave Reiner as he understood what he suffered and the reasons that brought him doing that….So the whole “eren doesn’t cares about anyone but his friends “ sounds bulshit to me…
Hey EHcucks plebbitors
>>283355563>Cropped Jean's faceLmao
>>283355460he was so sweet, i miss him
>>283344479Based kainchad blessing us with his trvthnvke
Canonical endingReminder for shitrenfats
>>283343558its a no ontological origin paradox. eren did it because he already knew he would do it in the future. and eren was incapable of choosing not to because he had no control over his actions after touching historia. "I couldn't tell the difference between seeing the future play out, and it actually happening. I think I must have gone insane" - Eren, to Armin.everything that happened for 2,000 years after Ymir encountered the wyrm was a stable loop of future events influencing the past to ensure they happened in the future
Bump
>>283351869Was there even freewill to begin with?Did Eren and the other's have a choice or was this what was always going to happen?
>>283343558Isayama retconned eren because people were defending him instead of defending Armin aka his favorite character
>>283355145>, 'he made the choice because he had to preserve the worst timeline for him possible' is not a mechanic for the power itself. He has the power to control titans across time, why his 'self fulfilling loop' doesn't account for his actual wants and needs makes no sense because he would change it if so.What then he wouldn't be in the spot to make that decision.You don't understand time flow.
>>283354541"I won't let fate decide Paradis' future.">Lets fate decide Paradis' future
AoT started as the author's revenge fantasy against his high school bullies. Making his MC murder everyone on earth with naked giants is pure edgelord fantasy, and essentially a prequel to the original "pilot" chapter for AoT that got the series greenlit.Then it got giga popular so he made it longer with a convoluted storyline and had to come up with some justification for the naked giant apocalypse that would be palatable to the masses and not get him in trouble, so he added in a bunch of magic and time travel bullshit so Eren *had to* do it and the author can act like he's condemning the act even though he dreamed about drawing all those NPCs getting crushed for over a decade.
>>283343558Eren said himself that he doesn't know why he did it and closed it with: I guess I am stupid lol, only Ymir knows.That's Isayama's lazy way of telling you that he wrote himself into a corner when he decided to suddenly change the course of the story and by this point was too tired of the series so he just patched up the absolute surface and prayed that normalfags will spare him.
>>283344479It reminds me of that 40k guy who could see the future, but did nothing to actually prevent bad things from happening. When he saw that he was going to be assassinated, despite being able to prevent it, he let himself get assassinated, because otherwise that would have meant that he could have changed fate, and he could have stopped all the bad things that have happened up to that point. "You can't change fate," only makes sense if the story clearly shows that you cannot. Anime like jojo do that really well, because they show that you really cannot change it, just 'alter' what it really means. If they showed eren either trying to not adhere to fate, but it happens anyways, then fine. But they show basically shows eren never actually trying not to.
