>Conclusion never ever
God i fucking love Kaiji
>>283375129gay
>>283374549I'm starting to feel disrespect for FKMT. I need to see the end of Kaiji and emperor Zero as soon as possible. This is getting annoying. Inoue tier annoying
>>283375482>He isn't gay for KaijiFag
Kaiji is moe
>>283374549Manga has always been treated as a longer version of newspaper strips.>one writer also artist>weekly format>keeps going forever for the sake of the publication rather than the storySlavery is alive and well in japan, meanwhile comic books are actual magazines.It would be interesting however if we saw a protagonist aged in real time since its publication, just like what western comic book authors have done to the character John Constantine.
>>283374549Isn't the end is Mario and Chang returning to their respective country while Kaiji traveling overseas to keep gambling?
Has the runaway arc neared its end yet? I haven't kept up since that hospital room chapter
>>283376977It's apparently ending next chapter but the series has been on hiatus since 2023 so who knows when next chapter will be out
>>283375984That's a phrase I've not heard... In a long time... A long time...
PLEASE GIVE ME NOTE KAIJIAND ADAPT PART 3NOT ON A PACHISLOT MACHINEI FUARKING BEG YOU FKMT
>>283376977Fukumoto said he is burn out and put on hiatus all manga he is writing. Hes just doing some Golf manga now and said maybe someday he will finish Kaiji.
>>283377182MORE NOT NOTE AAAAAAAAA
sawa
>>283375556well akagi took 30 years to finish, and 20 years was spent on the washizu arc aloneit's actually not that bad if you forget about it and return every few years
>>283374549the first 'gamble' of rock-paper-scissors is so dogshit boring.Does the entire series just cycle through the formula of>this is tough! what am i gonna do??!>WAIT! i've got a plan suddenly...hehembarassing
>>283377555That's because the magazine Akagi runs in, Kindai Mahjong Time, is putting pressure on FKMT to stretch it out because Akagi is the biggest name in their magazine. It's not actually because Akagi was some kind of masterpiece that took years to complete.
>>283377881Dogshit taste
>>283378124Akagi was a masterpiece that just happened to take forever to come out
>>283378124Akagi was a masterpiece
>>283377182Part 3 would suck as a anime
FKMT is 66, Kaiji is never getting finished. Add to the list of incomplete manga. The people who’ve never read manga that are on indefinite hiatus are so damn lucky, they don’t understand the pain and frustration
>>283374549hate KaijiAkagi 4 lyfe
>>283379769I am glad I only watched the anime adaptation then.I have a list of hundreds of titles that I will only read once they are done, you can't trust a lot of Mangaka, too often I see:>Axed>the ending is rushed and you realize years of stories weren't building up to anything>is successful enough that it gets padded with pointless arc and the main problems never get resolved>the author doesn't understand the concept of the carrot and the stick and the protagonist is always in a endless cycle of strife with no respite and it just becomes akin to misery porn>story acknowledeges the flaws in the story/character but never goes beyond lampdshading them, the character never improve
>>283379785Based
>>283379414True
>>283374549even Akagi managed to end, so someday Kaiji will finish as well.
>>283378124You're fucking retarded. Akagi IS a 10/10. It's insane FKMT managed to both make Ten AND Washizu mahjong end on a perfect note.>>283374549FKMT will come out of hiatus soon
>>283377881RPS is my least favorite. Has the least interesting tricks and psychology overall>>283379854You're missing out on the best arcs though. Even if FKMT were to die tomorrow and part 6 ended on what we have right now it'd be a decently satisfying ending. Of course some plot threads would remain unsolved (Kazuya's brother, Hyodo's comeback, Kazuya waking up...) but the important character arcs have already been delivered.
>>283381490Hopefully
I can see an ending where Kaiji gets away and gambling in another country, happy but making the same mistakes. I don’t think he should get a completely happy ending where he calls it quits for good and enjoys the luxury smartly. He’s still a gambling degenerate that’s completely naive, Kazuya was right about him
>>283382195I think the best ending would be Hyodo's downfall but Kaiji still ending up as a poor worthless gambler, drifting along from casino to slots to betting.
>>283378124>It's actually because Akagi was some kind of masterpiece that took years to complete.True.
kaiji fucks farm animals?
Didn't Akagi end? It can end too eventually.
>>283384794Everyone has their Deep Dark Fantasies.
>The Tonegawa anime is older now than Kaiji S2 was when the Tonegawa anime started
Which arc was your favorite?For me it's One poker
>>283379769does he have a backup plan like miura?
>>283385052The Mahjong one
>>283385052The most satisfying were Kaiji winning in Cee-lo and getting revenge in minefield mahjong. I loved part 4, I was rooting for Kazuya. I’m glad Mitsuyama called Kaiji out as well, he was being an annoying bastard
>>283385052Mahjong is so fucking good. Reread gave me a new appreciation for how thorough the game is. And of course the drama is really gripping. I hate Miyoshi and Maeda with passion Great villain too
>>283385264>I’m glad Mitsuyama called Kaiji outKaiji was right though. If anything he was helping these three see the truth. Too bad Mitsuyama was evil.
If only FKMT didn’t waste his time with that shitty Kurosawa sequel, the only work of his I dislike. It completely ruined a fantastic ending
>>283384867Wasn't it 20 years, did they forget it or am I missing something?
Honestly part 4 works better as an anime than 3 or 5, those 2 are 95% internal thoughts. You’d have to direct it in a new style so it doesn’t make it seem like you’re only watching still frames with narration over it
>>283385395I would take part 3 or 5 instead of The Bog any day of the week
>>28338536120 unless it's like 19 years and 8 months or something I guess
>>283385052that continuos stretch from Cee-lo, Bog, Minefield Mahjong and One Poker is an insane run.
No way anyone likes Bog arc
>>283385650I rewatched it multiple times
>>283385650I like it, the sheer absurdity of whole season of watchink pachinko skillplay gets me every time
>>283382195I'd like to see Kaiji quit gambling and live a normal life even if he ends up losing the 2 billion, but I don't know if that's still on the table given how part 3 started and ended.
5 > 1 > 2 > 3 > 4 > 6Do we agree?
>>283385650The bog is very slow, but a lot of FKMT stuff is meandering frankly. In return, the payoff is strong.
I dropped this anime when they started playing rock paper scissors forever. Is it worth pushing past that garbage? RPS isn't even a real gambling game it's pure luck with no strategy.
>pure luck with no strategyNot this version
>>283385878I'd put 3 over 2, and 6 over 4. Ranking Kaiji parts is kind of weird because of how they go from having multiple arcs to just one.
>>283384794Even gorillas!
>>283385395Part 3-5 should be adapted into one 26 episode season. The bog and on drag on for way too long and could easily be shortened to be the same length as the part 1 arcs by skipping all the constant "guh...!" reaction and internal monologue shit.
>>283374549>>283375556His regressor golf manga is way more important right now
>>283379414wait why? the mahjong and 3-card poker looked fun on the pachinko machines
>>283379769Kaiji already ended, do you think he would eventually risk it all AGAIN to get revenge on the old fuck? He has friends, no debts and no worries, if FKMT got Miura'd it would not affect that much Kaiji as a manga.
>>283385650I like it, but Im an anime only. So i guess the manga would have felt way more frustrating.
>>283374549>author too much of a hack to end his story at an even remotely reasonable pacehis fault
>>283377555Is the Washizu arc the longest running arc in any manga? I think if there's anything longer, it would have to be a case of a manga being canceled, then the author finally writing a proper conclusion for an anniversary or something.
It’s said a lot, but Kaiji and Akagi definitely flow better as a bingeread. It’s way more enjoyable, it’s a never ending rollercoaster. Following it weekly must have been a pain in the ass.>shopping chapter >break week
>>283381490
>>283388946This is fucking stupid. You read Fukumoto FOR the monologues. That's the meat, that's the psychological stuff. Skipping it is ruining the part.
>>283390911These are some of the best parts but it's closer to the Bog pacing wise so it might filter some newfags. The manga might be easier to read based on that.
>>283392615Some are good, some are obvious padding. You don't need to spend several chapters deliberating every single move of the game. Early Kaiji and Akagi were paced properly, so it's obvious how Fukumoto began stalling to milk his popularity.
What do you guys think of the salvation game arc?
>>283392676Bullshit. Most are necessary and add to the plot. It's not FKMT if the characters aren't considering every corner and every possibility. For 1 potentially unneeded summary you'll have 50 very necessary monologues exploring the games and the possibilities. Removing said monologues leaves you with much less depth.
>>283391073Not really, you can read the manga faster. On the other hand the anime really did ham it up with the soundtrack and voice acting, it's quite the rollercoaster. But when it comes to pacing, FKMT is meant to be read in big chunks.
Kaiji ended here.Everything past it is fanfic.
>>283392769Part 1 could fit 4 (5 if you count the Human Derby and Brave Man Road as separate games) games into 13 volumes, part 2 covered two games (the pachinko arc taking up most of it) in the same amount, and since then, each game takes around 13 volumes on its own. Just about speaks for itself.
>>283392939And part 1 is one of the worst ones with incredibly surface level games (actually really two games).Let me guess, early Akagi is better than Washizu because it has more games while Washizu lasts 250 chapters? If you want to remain consistent, that's what you're going to say. You'd also say early Ten is better than Ten vs Harada because Ten vs Harada lasts 3-4 volumes while early Ten crams multiple games in one.
>>283392129Part 4 was horrible. Part 5 was kino of the highest order. Part 6 has been a mixed bag.
>>283392899Actually>Part 3 > Part 2 = Part 5 >= Part 6 > Part 4 > Part 1
>>283392990Early Washizu is better than Washizu's adventures in hell, yes. The timeline showing how the Washizu arc progressed over the years says it all about how Fukumoto started intentionally stalling the progress, and he's clearly doing the same for Kaiji too.
>>283393215Don't dodge the issue. Akagi vs Yagi, Ichikawa, Urabe... all take place in less than 40-50 chapters. Are they better than late Washizu mahjong because of that?
>>283393215Round 5 and the last 2 games were incredible Skipping the Pei 3 times for Last Draw and the fucking illusory 1-sou
>>283393256Than the chapters where absolutely no progress is made and the characters are just sitting around and hemming and hawing about their tiles without playing a single one by the end of the chapter, and where Washizu is fighting demons in hell? Absolutely. The late Washizu arc still having high points at times doesn't change the fact that huge chunks of it are pure fluff. We could have had more arcs such as Akagi's middle-aged life and rivalry with his rival from Ten if Fukumoto hadn't decided to waste decades just to keep an obscure gambling rag afloat.
>>283393446Washizu mahjong absolutely peaked in the later half. It's not even a contest. I love the first half, but holy shit. Akagi's endless honba ride, the reveal of Akagi's path to winning by killing Washizu, the Pei hand alone is 40 chapters long and could be made into an OVA.
>>283393467>muh no progressThere are maybe 2 or 3 chapters of *drawing* that you could maybe try to cut down if you want to make the story worse without cutting actual plot points. Most of what we get is meaningful and needed. Washizu in hell is a fan favorite part.The pei hand lasts 40 chapters, as long as the entirety of Akagi vs Yagi/Ichikawa/Urabe. It's incredibly long, and it's also much better written than anything in those parts. Early Akagi has good stuff but has a few faults that early FKMT had when writing mahjong (basically characters never have to take luck into account and pull some shit out of their ass). FKMT just got better at writing, and with his improvement also came extended pacing to analyze the moves rather than gloss over them. Your ADHD doesn't matter here.
>>283375556He made both Kaiji and Kurosawa a slice of life homelessness simulator. Both characters are now aimlessly mucking about thinking about what trick they can use to get an extra bento coupon. Even Hell Golf was axed which was just growing on me
>>283385650Eh, I know it´s kind of a meme, but I honestly like most of it and can´t really remember any part that I felt that dragged, I liked the gimmicks, the characters and the build up to the end. If I rewatch it maybe I will find something to be picky about, but if anything it was colorful and had a great ending.
>>283393618>Both characters are now aimlessly mucking about thinking about what trick they can use to get an extra bento coupon.Huh? Kaiji is loaded now. Kurosawa has been finished (again) for a while.
>>283379785Youre a bitch
>>283385878No.
>>283375984based, but i have to disagree. Kaiji is the opposite. Is fujo
>>283385650Its amazing
>>283379414Nothing would be worse than the bog.
>>283385052Minefield Mahjong.
>>283385264>I’m glad Mitsuyama called Kaiji out as wellt. Mitsuyama
>>283386377probably cause most of the part 3, entirety of part 4 and 5, beginning of part 6 happen in one night.
>>283393215did you watch anime before switching to manga? cause I can't imagine anything else being the case.
>>2833858785 > 3 > 2 > 1 > 4I am not caught up on part 6, I stopped at the beginning when Kaiji says goodbye to Sakazaki and gives him money. It seemed like a good spot to leave and comeback later.
part 3 filtered billions
>>2833858781 this high is stupid
>>283385052muh jong babiieeeee
>>283385052Ohtsuki getting his ass stretched twice with the bloody dice will rest with me 'til the grave
>>283403082Now read the Ohtsuki spinoff.
>>283403365I watched Tonegawa and loved it. Unless there's more to his spinoff?
>>283405397So you have the Tonegawa manga and the Ohtsuki manga, both spinoffs. The Tonegawa anime adapted a good chunk of the Tonegawa manga (not all) and incorporated a few Ohtsuki chapters in itThe Ohtsuki is similar to Tonegawa in the sense that it's more comedy oriented than Kaiji, but it really hits those emotional and philosophical beats. It's basically a Japanese middle aged man slice of life manga that uses the premise of Ohtsuki going on 1 day outings (often with other characters) to do random interesting things in Japan the author wanted to share with the reader. Including some of the spiciest meta fuckery and hilarious references you wouldn't think you'd see in the Kaiji universe.I can't shill it enough honestly
>>283385650>No way anyone likes Bog arcas it should be. The 100th metaphor for Kaijis changing luck became stale very quickly when there´s 0 skill involved at that point. Also FKMT didnt even bother writing an insurance for Kaiji. The owner of the establishment could have just told Kaiji to fuck off after he defeated the bog.>>283385878>6 so lowhonestly its one of the best and worst parts. The tension doesnt really work though if they can just leave japan anytime.I really like the premise though of Kaiji trying to chase after safety instead of money. Feels like the natural evolution of his character arc.
Zawa~
>>283374549Sad
>>283385650HE HATES IT!
>>283410493I liked it!
>>283405599
>>283374549if he really needs money why doesnt he just sell his body?
>>283411557Part 2 manga shows him being afraid of Endo selling his body for prostitution but it was just forced labor
i've decided to buy a pair of adidas superstars because of this manga
>>283411959He wears them in part 1 or something?
>>283411557Also I think in lore Kaiji's looks are painfully average. So is not like a normal looking women would pay him to sleep with him
>>283411988every main character wears them, in kaiji and even in akagi
>>283385650Filtered.
>>283412197Why does the author like them so much?
>>283411176HE LIKES IT!
>>283374549Hanchou is better than Kaiji. Seeing Otsuki develop his tricks and having fun is really nice. I stopped caring about Kaiji a long time ago. It peaked in part 3 anyway.
>>283393618>Even Hell Golf was axedBut why... it was great, and I thought FKMT took a break from Kaiji to work on Hell Golf instead. Now both series are dead?
is the manga still stuck at the Grandma Neighbor Arc?
>>283393618>Hell Golf was axedProof?
>>283393618>>283417103Seriously? I literally opened this thread just to find out anything about Nikaidou Hell Golf and this was my worst case scenario. I can't find any information on this though. Anywhere I look says its ongoing or mentions it getting a cover on the magazine it's in.
>>283392695it was nice seeing Kaiji not putting his delicious and tight virgin asshole on the line for once, and i really enjoyed seeing the contestants getting paranoid. The ending where he actually pays up to save them always makes me happy.
>>283405985>honestly its one of the best and worst parts. The tension doesnt really work though if they can just leave japan anytime.>I really like the premise though of Kaiji trying to chase after safety instead of money. Feels like the natural evolution of his character arc.The arc feels like wasted potential to me. I think it could have been so much better if it kept up the formula the rest of the series is known for (Kaiji getting into high tension, life-or-death gambles, coming up with ingenious jukes only for them to blow up in his face, eventually triumphing with a masterful plan in the end), but applied it to him escaping from Teiai.We kind of got a taste of this when he escaped Endou at his mom's apartment (and then this exact same scenario was copy-pasted later on when Mario escaped from the mall, which was disappointing), but most of the arc ends up being a meandering SoL thing with no sense of danger or stakes--it's easy to forget they're being pursued by Teiai at all. Kaiji and his crew got out way too far ahead of Teiai, they only ever become a threat thanks to complete asspulls (like the dude who spots Mario). It almost feels like FKMT got a little stuck in his own head trying to write out how the escape arc would realistically play out, rather than write a compelling story.
>>283417409The SoL is the best part. It feels good and it's really interesting to see Kaiji in regular scenarios. Also I don't know what that anon is talking about, they'd have a hard time leaving Japan at that point, especially with their money.
>>283417823>and it's really interesting to see Kaiji in regular scenariosWhile I agree that it's nice to see Kaiji fleshed out and humanized a bit as opposed to just being the "neet who gambles with his life every other day", it takes up way too much of the arc and removes any sense of tension. The periods where Teiai is actually on their ass feel artificial and forced, to the point of feeling out of place. I think I would have rather seen a SoL spin-off manga like Ichijo got.
>>283418174Every part is pretty long. We just came out of 400 chapters of games (mahjong, asian three, poker). Well part 6 is 210 chapters long which makes it especially long for a Kaiji part, but with this length there's more than enough good content to really hit the mark, even if some parts might take too long or be weaker.I guess my point is that once you read it in bulk, it's still a bit heavy but I can't say it wasn't a pleasure all that time. Maybe once or twice I thought some subplot needed to end faster but that's what bulk reading is for
>>283417409>tensionyeah that´s the main point. Theres just some vague tension which sometimes rises and then deflates instead of having a clear narrative structure. Kaiji should have met japanese SaulGoodman by now.Also everything with Kazuya after part 6 is an idiot plot. Hyodo is the clear final villain but i guess FKMT has no route for Kaiji to beat him and finish the manga.
>>283374549Did he ever get his ear back?
>>283420201He gambled and won a different ear.
>>283417103>>283417164>>283417246Doesn't look like it. Ch 108 was released yesterday.
>>283422270translations doko?
>>283422270>108Wow it's much farther along than I thought. The fan translations aren't even halfway through and so much has happened already.
>>283392864I can't wait for the Balatro arc. Or even a Clover Pit one.
>>283374549do they ever explain what happened to Tonegawa?
>>283424032No.>>283420201Yes.
>>283424032https://comick.live/comic/chuukan-kanriroku-tonegawa/p4tLvut0-chapter-76-en
>>283405985Japanese Yakuza are very honraburu samurai who lose fair and square
>>283411534>Fukumoto pays Anons to shill on 4chanWhere do I sign?
>>283374549>brainlet mangaMakes sense /a/ would like it.
>>283424316What a heartwarming end for a bunch of bowling fanatics, happy for them.
>>283422270Hell Golf can't get cancelled until has gone through hell.
>>283425560Post some big brain mangas then sweetie
>>283391236Content-wise, no. There is probably some manga out there that had a hiatus at some point and only continued later that surpasses it, but nothing continous as far as I know.
>>283385322
>>283428481Why are the Js and Is lower case?
>>283405985>The owner of the establishment could have just told Kaiji to fuck off after he defeated the bogIf he did that, not only will the casino goes under but Tiai's reputation will ge damaged beyond repair. Hyoudo even said that people's trust in them is what let them operate.
bump
>>283391236It's probably the longest 1v1 in fiction
>>283374549Goated manga; good thread.
