What was exactly wrong with Ryu Nakayama's direction of Chainsaw Man?I know there is legit criticism toward him but it's hard to get a coherent answer here, most of his detractors seem to have a very poor grasp on the English language.
>>283396501As my English is pretty damn good, allow me to try and explain. Naka directed the 1st season as if it were a live action adaptation. The problem was that it was still anime, so that approach could not work with anime. But instead of trying to direct it as if it were anime (because it was) he simply modified the anime to be less anime-like. This means:1. Muting the colors to make it look more realistic. 2. Toning down the expressions of the characters so what actual humans would look like.3. Removing the exaggerated humor which he felt ruined the seriousness.4. Forcing the sound director to have all characters speak softer, slower, and in a much lower volume, to sound more realistic.Basically, he didn't want to do an anime. If you have any other questions, please ask. I'm at work and have literally nothing better to do.
>>283396599How many dicks have you sucked
>>283396678Does my own count?
Nakayama paved the sucess of Chainsawman adaptation.Unlike other bland Mappa adaptations like AOT or JJK, Nakayama actually put his head on line and tried something on his own.Sure in the end looking ike dogshit but i would it was Mappa decision to put all into 12 fucking endings instead of a higher animation budget.If Nips weren't fucking sociopaths Nakayama would be remembered for trying something original instead of taking all the blame
>>283396698He will get remember for doing something original. And be hated for it. Not everything original is good.
He's based because he gave CSM the shit adaptation it deserves.
>>283396678point whats wrong with that comment
>>283396721My point is it's not 100% his fault.The adaption had some good moments but lacked a proper budget.
>>283396501He was too good for the industry.
>>283396698A watchful protector. A Dark Knight.
>>283396698Attempting to do something original does not absolve one of criticism for making a shoddy adaptation. If I made a gritty live action adaptation of Panty and Stocking with no comedy that was aimed at a PG-13 audience, fans of the source material would have every right to be pissed the fuck off. The guy is undeniably good at what he does. Unfortunately he put those skills to use making a product that upset not only dedicated fans, but even the people who worked with him on it. He made a very conscious decision to direct that adaptation in a very particular way, even against the wishes of his colleagues. Given that there were people around him to say, "hey, I think this is a bad way to go about this project", and yet he still elected to do so to fulfill his own specific vision, I would argue that that makes him even more deserving of criticism. He's free to be as much of an auteur as he likes. And the people who are upset at how he handles material that they care about are free to shit on him for it.
>>283396599>2. Toning down the expressions of the characters so what actual humans would look like.>3. Removing the exaggerated humor which he felt ruined the seriousness.>4. Forcing the sound director to have all characters speak softer, slower, and in a much lower volume, to sound more realistic.People say these are "anti-anime" approaches but Akira Amemiya followed this approach for Gridman and Dynazenon and it did not make the show any less entertaining.
>>283396833Have you ever been drunk before? That's just what people look like when your eyes have trouble focusing
>>283396783>some good momentsIt had no good moments. I will say the color palette in season 1 was better than the muted grey look MAPPA had for JJK, but that's it. Every "moment" was awful. The EDs had better auteur directing than the actual anime.
>>283396501He wanted a very real looking show that could be filmed with a camera with characters that could be played by people.In a show about a man who transforms into chainsaws.
>>283396783And on what exactly are you basing this? Because the people who worked with him, or at least the ones who have come forward to speak on the matter, have most certainly levied the blame on his vision for the project. I've never even heard of budget being mentioned as an issue. And can you blame them? Imagine being brought on to animate something as bombastic and ridiculous as Chainsaw Man, only to be told, "No. Don't flex your talent by making this ridiculous, over-the-top B-movie of a series as hype and outrageous as it is in the source material. Dial it all the way back and make this series about a guy with fucking chainsaws for arms as realistic as I think it should be." Now imagine that you're not only an animator, but also a fan of the source material who's being given no choice in the matter. You either butcher something you love to cop a paycheck, or potentially find yourself on the outs within your industry. Personally? I'd be absolutely livid.The issue was not the budget. The issue was a stilted artistic vision that was incongruous with both the manga on which it was based, and the adaptation that everyone else involved wanted to make.
>>283396501I know nothing about film theory but for me it's how floaty chainsawman moves. Sure it's pretty realistic for how a super human who wields three chainsaws would move, but I expected it to be snappier. The guy watches tarantino movies, he should know even movies can be cartoonish.
>>283396501>What was exactly wrong with Ryu Nakayama's direction of Chainsaw Man?
>>283397013/thread
>>283396501>>What was exactly wrong with Ryu Nakayama's direction of Chainsaw Man?
>>283397013Nightmare on Elm Street has a ridiculous concept and is also entirely live action. Your point is meaningless.
>>283396501>>>What was exactly wrong with Ryu Nakayama's direction of Chainsaw Man?
>>283396783Incorrect. Testimonies from the staff working there said that almost everyone told him what he was doing was not going to work, and that the audience would not like it. He doubled down.
>>283397148Nightmare on Elm Street didn't endeavor to come across as realistic as possible. It reveled in the dark absurdity of its premise. Its villain was hamming it the fuck up. That's the exact opposite of what CSM S1 was like.
>>283396887You're not entirely wrong, but not right either. Those shows had PLENTY of anime moments. While the conversation between the main cast were more realistic, it made up for it with absolutely batshit crazy mecha/monster battles.
>>283397148Nightmare on elm street is also funny as fuck when its not really meant to be because Freddy is a cartoon character and they arent even close to being the same genre
>>283396887Well, gridman is a live action tv show, so it kinda fits. Both series have different expectation.
Still insanely soulful despite the flawed approach. Would take 10000 Chainsaw Man S1s over the typical bland shonen adaptation.
>>283397175The whole fight is low energy as fuck in the anime. Denji is supposed to leap and slice the devil in one go, but the anime had him flail around slowly on the ground lmao.
>>283396887the lack of source content really helped with the Gridman stuff, and the fact that Trigger just has their own thing and followers certainly didn't hurt either.
>>283396501Nothing. He was just being too experimental, but CSM S1 was still awesome.
>>283397379Now imagine saying the exact same thing but instead you're saying it about Dragon Ball Evolution.
>>283397379It.... really wasn't.
>>283396887yeah but it's different when it's an adaption of something that does rely on all those techniques
>>283397417Dragon Ball Evolution wasn't awesome so it's very hard to imagine
>>283396501Because he idolized prestige cinema without understanding it, he tried to force a story that was totally unsuited for it into a superficial mold that resembled it. So muted colors, less expressive, etc, which are completely valid techniques on their own, but they're used because the heart of the film calls for them. To make matters worse he didn't have any kind of vision to replace the one that was stripped out, just an idea of what it shouldn't be, so the visuals are just bland CSM steeped in the generic Mappa 'house style' sakuga. He stripped the original personality out of the story but didn't have anything to put in its place other than a misunderstood vibe.
>>283397474Yeah you'd also probably feel confused when someone calls an adaptation that butchered the source material you enjoy "awesome". You'd wonder if they'd even seen the source material before saying something like that.
>>283397142did they not realize that power is supposed to be flushed because she's drunk?
>>283397623Power is white.
>>283397623Not realistic enough. Gotta make it as bland and uninspired as humanly possible.
>>283396501HEDIDNOTHINGWRONG
>>283397635sasuga dragon
>>283397623you might notice her beer seems to have been switched to a cola
>>283397623Too much emotion. Not realistic and dower enough. Please understand.
>>283397672I actually didn't notice that. I guess you can't have immortal devils drinking. Fucking idiots....
>>283397695It's just the one idiot. No one but Nakayama wanted this. It's legitimately the fault of a singular person whose ego demanded that his vision of someone else's beloved work be made manifest.
>>283397672what da fuck i didn't
>>283397610Nice false equivalence, but CSM S1 did plenty of justice to the source material - just not as much as it ideally should have. This is contrast to the vast majority of anime adaptations (including Dragon Ball's actual anime adaptations) which are basically just bland cut-and-paste jobs with the occasional sakuga scene or episode.
>>283397650>>283397680We're samsies, anon. Love you too bro.
>>283397742>did plenty of justice to the source material -
>>283396833What the fuck is wrong with that shirt
>>283397742>CSM S1 did plenty of justice to the source materialI disagree with this statement just barely less than I disagree with the sentiment that it would feel pleasant to masturbate with sand paper. It was a terrible adaptation.Though yeah, that's mostly true of Dragon Ball's anime adaptations as well. Though unlike CSM, among that sea of shit are several moments that genuinely elevate the source material. There's not a single instance of that in CSM S1. All it has are some nice scenes showing everyday moments that are wholly unnecessary on their own. And the sad part is the if they existed in juxtaposition to the ridiculousness of everything else in the story, they would have genuinely elevated it. But that ridiculousness wasn't allowed to exist within Nakayama's self-aggrandizing vision.
>>283397840Were you more pleased with the Reze movie in that regard?
>>283397893Dramatically so. It elevated the source material in every conceivable way. I caught the Thursday pre-screening and even enjoyed the dub. You could tell the cast was having a great time - something that could not be said of the Japanese cast in season 1. Much like the manga, and unlike S1, it was just downright fun.
>>283397840Pretty much all of the "intimate" scenes in the anime (like in episode 4) elevate the source material. The last episode ending sequence is probably the strongest example. It's mostly just the more slapstick and fight scenes where the anime clearly comes up short.>All it has are some nice scenes showing everyday moments that are wholly unnecessary Nah, the manga was somewhat too fast-paced (at least in part1) and those anime scenes were actually good additions. The core trio's family dynamic needed more time to breathe than Fujimoto gave them.
>>283396793I am beyond thankful I didn't go to see this on the big screens and get a seizure watching this
>>283398037>(like in episode 4)Meant episode 8, but the morning scene in episode 4 works as an example as well.
>>283396793The transition between her grappling hand to hand and then launching him with a kick was not done well.
>>283398071For those of us who aren't epileptic it was pretty based, anon.
>>283396501Using CG on the Curse Devil (WHICH DOESNT MOVE) tells you all you need to know about this pretentious schmuck.
>>283396698>Unlike other bland Mappa adaptations like AOT or JJK, Nakayama actually put his head on line and tried something on his own.And that's why he failed, his job was to ADAPT the manga, not to TRANSFORM it. See the huge difference with the reception of the movie
>>283398139/thread.Literally the problem. Fucker thought he could do better.
>>283396501Probably that he spent too long building emotional arcs up over the fights themselves. Cared more about the characters than the devils. I prefer that, it's what makes S1 stand out from a lot of other battle shonen, but I'm not sure that's what most people care about. Compare the direction of S1 to how, say, KNY handles their characters where they only show you a lot of backstory after they're about to leave the stage. You don't need to care as long, there's always a fight that got you to care (or lets you glaze over the backstory if you don't care) in the first place.Add the slower, more deliberate pacing to a few underbudgeted scenes (CG chainsaws) and you've got criticism that's really easy to blow up on social media. A doesn't look like B type stuff. Funny thing being that most of A didn't look like B.Reze overcorrects on this. The fights were fun but overproduced (who will ever care about typhoon after the movie's done?), and nothing was added to better reflect a character beyond what was in the source. The few things that were expanded on (like that movie Denji and Makima ended up liking) made me think they might not be able to.
Why are there no funny/gag faces in the movie? Are there no gag faces in the manga as well?
I just watched the movie, the only thing i didn't understand was why did Cillian Murphy with a Mohawk attacked Reze in the school?
>>283396783Wasn't the 12 endings thing his choice to begging with?
The manga crosses cheesy B-movie atmosphere with artsy auteur movie direction but the anime tried to suppress the B-movie aspect.
>>283398275We don't know for sure. It was either him or Sony.
>>283398312It didn't try to suppress it. It tried to pretend it didn't exist.
>>283398358Regardless, it's nonsensical to blame the direction of the session on its budget. Not that you're doing that. Just piggybacking.
>283396793I honestly think the people who are bitching about this sakuga are poor idiots that only have had exposure to the movie from shitty LATAM/SEA camrips. I felt goosebumps all the way through the fight scenes. I don't think I've seen any bad reception of it anywhere besides the singular (1) (一) webm spam here.
>>283398404You can't blame the director for the budget, but you can blame him for how the budget is spent. Now, we don't know what happened. The 12 endings things was dumb as hell and very expensive, but we don't know for sure it was his fault.
>>283396501I honestly wonder if MAPPA is going to redo Season 1 after the reception of the Reze Arc movie. I've seen a lot of discussion about it on JP twitter. I think Nakayama would commit seppuku lol
>>283396793I watched in IMAX and was absolutely floored by it. Incredible action scene
>>283398435Correct. Much like you can't blame the budget for directoral decisions that had nothing to do with cost effectiveness. E.g, attempting to make the entire season look like art house cinema.
>>283398470Didn't they already did that (to the extent that it's possible) with the compilations that are in Crunchyroll? Didn't they change some scenes and the OST and also added more expression to the voice acting?
>>283397733I thought it was because of JP TV laws. I know that you can't show a (implied) minor smoking a cigarette for example (a la JoJo Part 3)
>>283398497>attempting to make the entire season look like art house cinemawhat nothing about season 1 is art house. it's not experimental or avant garde at all
>>283398435>12 endings things was dumb as hellNegative taste in animation, judging S1 without taking the endings in account is retardedhttps://youtu.be/_flKbsZoAHg?si=ckvaqDrV03PKnGRq
>>283398506Correct. The compilations are much better. And they have brand new voice recordings. Denji and Power sound SO much better, it's amazing.
>>283398538Why do you think anon said that?
>>283398541The point is that it was a waste of money, anon. >>283398538Guess I was using the term incorrectly. That's my bad.
Why does Reze grow taller when she transform?
>>283398541I didn't say they were bad. Some were great. But it was still a very dumb idea to do that when the budget wasn't that big to begin with. It was a waste of money. If you have money left over, yeah, make some more EDs. But not when you have CG battles running at 10fps. And I'm not pulling that number out of my ass.
>>283398600boots
>>283398584Neah, I was just genuinely misusing the term. I've always thought it was associated with the kind of "artsy" realism that CSM S1 was going for. I fucked up. Thinking about it, it does seem more like the kind of thing that would apply to a Tarantino movie.
i'd rather an adaptation take some creative licence to distinguish itself from the source material. i already love the manga of CSM and can read it any time, the film being so slavish to its style makes it less interesting than the anime which experimented a bit. the much more detailed character designs in particular added a lot to the more subdued scenes i thought
>>283398189Did you watch the movie with your eyes closed
I love that we are getting those american ads of the movie with the voice over saying things like "Chainsaw Man is the No.1 movie in the world" or quoting the reviews with the RT score.If you live in the US have you seen those ads in the tv?
>>283398663Point one scene with funny eyes or anime expression, i'm not talking about Denji funny faces i'm talking about Konosuba gag faces
I love Reze so much it hurts
>>283398708That isn't Tatsuki Fujimoto's style of expressionism, anon. Why would you expect that to be in the movie? Do you think people complaining about the lack of expressiveness in S1 are upset that Makima doesn't bawl like Aqua?
>>283398708It's an anime. By definition, every expression in the film is an anime expression.
>>283398734Yeah Denji had the same problem.
>>283398737That's why i asked if there were no gag faces in the manga, i assumed the lack of funny faces was due to Nakayama's direction
>>283398602People spazz out about the episode tones and art being dry when they have the endings as the contrast to the episode and the palate cleanser, the endings are all tailored to the episodes so they're obviously meant to be consumed with the episode and not just dismissed as fluff
Reminder that Fujimoto already spoiled the canon ending of the manga
Any word on another season of Chainsaw Man, or what
>>283398312>>283398380This. The director somehow missed the fact that the source material itself champions and revels in its B-movie elements.
The pool scene is unironically one of the greatest scenes in film history.
>>283398775The kind of silly expressions you saw from Denji, Power, and Beam in the film are perfectly in line with the manga. Season 1 cut those sorts of expressions out pretty much entirely. And yes, Nakayama said it was a deliberate decision on his part.
>>283398775Fujimoto doesn't do cartoony gag faces (closest is he simplifies some faces for comedic effect), but the manga isn't as low-energy the way S1 portrayed it as.
>>283396781He types like a stunted fag, that's the problem
>>283398841Because who the fuck wants a literal sharknado in their story about a dude with chainsaws for arms fighting a half-naked devil bitch with a cartoonishly-WW2 era bomb for a head? Shame Nakayama didn't get to fix any of that ridiculousness.
>>283398650The differences are a bit more subtle than I was led to believe.
>>283398903Okay.
>>283398166>Compare the direction of S1 to how, say, KNY handles their characters where they only show you a lot of backstory after they're about to leave the stage. You don't need to care as long, there's always a fight that got you to careIt must be nice being 12 yea
>>283398944I mean, I think that's part of why they do it. Less upfront investment, more swords and explosions.
>>283398942Jesus Christ is this Reddit? Do I need to type /s on a post for the autists on this board to recognize obvious sarcasm?
>>283398996I think he baited YOU, anon.
>>283398932it's kind of jarring seeing it in the film honestly. the designs are less detailed since it's copying the manga, and there's often less actual movement in scenes too since they tend to just replicate shots from the manga
>>283399018I think you're right.
I didn't think S1 was as bad as everyone else, but the movie is objectively a much better direction for Chainsaw Man's anime going forward.Even Mappa was surprised how well the movie did compared to S1
>>283398932I don't think most people took issue with the character designs in season 1. They were just upset about how those characters were portrayed.
>>283396501Most jarring thing was that fight scenes didn't really have music behind them until halfway through, which takes you out of the moment.
>>283396501The nuance that's lost on a lot of people is that S1's "cinematic" style isn't inherently wrong, since it's actually fitting for certain parts of the manga (Power's flashback, Himeno's death, Gun Devil arc, a huge chunk of Part 2 etc.). The problem is that it was used to wash over the entirety of S1 which removes a lot of the dynamism of the source material going from comedic/zany to somber/serious and vice versa. They tried to make up for this with the constantly changing colorful EDs but then that creates the problem of the EDs essentially carrying more than half of the series' charm while the actual show feels languid by comparison.The Reze movie fixes this where the first half maintains some of the wistful cinematic vibes to sell Denji's romance with the two girls, while the latter half happily revels in the craziness of the series.
>>283396501Chainsoi Boys got mad, because they couldn't comprehend the fact that their favorite, first, and probably last manga slop received a treatment that elevated it above "a story about homeless coomer".
>>283396698AoT and JJK by MAPPA weren't bland. They were done well. However, CSM Season 1 was a novelty. Something different to the vast majority of modern anime, resembling more 1990s trends of producing anime.
>>283399145>>>/sharty/
>>283398232Typhoon paid a mercenary to kill Denji, not knowing Reze is already on the case.
>>283396501Even after the Reze movie showed what a fraud Nakayama was to the point that it kept none of his vision, s1 cultists refuse to admit how flawed its pacing and action was because it had pretty backgrounds.
>>283396501Nothing. Some people just can’t accept the fact that they don’t have enough film knowledge or media literacy to understand the direction. It’s literally the same kind of direction you see in Blue Giant or other “realistic” anime. What Nakayama did in Season 1 was make it more dramatic and he did a great job at it. There’s tension, weight, and he managed to elevate parts that most manga readers didn’t even care about.I watched the Reze movie very recently, and they stripped out all the dramatic elements from Season 1. Making it more dramatic is literally a net positive for a show, not a net negative. But the manga fans just can’t accept that, and now it’s devolved into another action shounen crap like JJK Season 2. Chainsaw Man doesn’t feel any different from other shounen now. I mean, Bocchi the Rock! is more dramatic than CSM at this point.
>>283398775Fujimoto doesn't do chibis or super cartoony faces, but he does expressive faces, the perfect example of Nakayama toning down the comedy and expressions is when Power appears for the first time, Denji is screaming and Aki looks like he wants to strangle him while the anime Denji is talking normally and Aki just looks at Denji without any expression.
Pretty sure even Nips themselves are starting to realize that Nakayama is being turned into a scapegoat.
>>283397117you can't tell me that dead makima wasn't incredibly erotic in the anime
>>283399502What does the word "dramatic" mean to you?
>>283398734denji will never experience such a hot and passionate romance ever again
>>283397059>Imagine being brought on to animate something as bombastic and ridiculous as Chainsaw Man, only to be told, "No. Don't flex your talent by making this ridiculousAnd the clusterfuck equivalent of JJK S2 Mahoraga battle was any better?
>>283399563Seems like it means "devoid of character and excitement".
>>283397672that's just the lighting, another one of nakayama's problems
>>283399552Nah, while MAPPA has some fault over how season 1 ended up being. The nips have every interview before and after S1 came out and they can accurately pinpoint on how everything they hated about the adaptation came from decisions made by Nakayama.
>>283399552How is he a scapegoat when firing him actually fixed the problem?
>>283399030Kobeni was done dirty in the Reze movie. She didn’t get any focus because it just followed the manga.
>>283399711She's not relevant to the arc, what do you expect?You got to see her in lingerie, what more do you want?
>>283399711what did you expect from a movie called The Reze Arc
The best scene in the saga was so shoddily done.
>>283399563>dramaticElevate important scenes, add weight, create tension. Take the ambush scene with Katana Man in Season 1, or the Kobeni vs. Snake Girl fight. Then compare that to the Bomb Devil reveal or the final rooftop fight between Chainsaw Man and Bomb Devil. I don’t think it’s a hot take to say there was way more dramatic tension in Season 1.
>>283399563To add more, compare Makima’s massacre scene to the Bomb Devil destroying the entire Devil Hunter building. Sure the Bomb Devil scene looks cooler, no doubt, but we’ve seen that kind of sakuga stuff a million times in JJK. Those kinds of scenes just go in one eye and out the other.
>>283398903This, but unironically
>>283399763It was so fucking slow, the shot of Makima dressing up was neat, but completely unnecessary.
>>283400022Reze movie is perfect for you
>>283400080>True to the source materialYes, anon, that's what happens with good adaptations.
Mappa's animation was terrible thats why it sucked
Toonami should give him his own original anime series. It's right up their alley.
>>283398650now imagine if someone said this about the hunter x hunter anime or fma brotherhood you'd be livid
>>2833988072 years off
>>283398932how the hell was makima's hair pinker than power's?
>>283398807They'll announce it at Jump Fest in December
>>283400258Yeah may as well read the manga since its just a direct copy of it
Absolutely nothing. The man is an auteur and as another anon pointed out he have paved the way for CSM's adaptation success. He also knew that Fujimoto is a huge cinephile and did his best to create a cinematic experience using the anime format. Season 1 is mostly of a tribute to Fujimoto and I find that respectable.
>>283400617>We don’t use the word fun
>>283400617>I always wanted to make something that could be seen by adultsoh fuck offsounds like he's embarrassed to be even working on something related to anime & manga, the sort of guy who hopes he can graduate from this to something 'real'CSM is very juvenile, it's made for teens, 16 is probably the best age for it
>>283400874>Embarrassed to make something too anime >Redditors still suck his dick and bash Japanese fans for actually having taste and calling out a self-masturbatory shit adaption lmao
>>283396887>Akira Amemiya followed this approach for Gridman and DynazenonThe girls are fat
>>283396501I think that his direction would have worked for Fire Punch, and I feel bad that Mappa fired him when they've said they intend to adapt all of Fujimoto's works.They had the right guy for the wrong job.
>>283396501Congrats OP. You managed to bait /a/ (and me) to giving this shit thread 150+ responses.
>>283400617>be 24 when Haruhi Suzumiya anime comes out>this fucker was in middle school>enough time has passed that he's now old enough and accomplished enough to work in the anime industry
>>283400874>CSM is very juvenile, it's made for teens, 16 is probably the best age for ityou know the more i read people's criticisms of season 1 and nakuyama the more i feel like these people just don't respect or even like the series
>>283401166What?
>>283401536He was born in 1990. The interview must be mistranslated, because he would have been like 16 when it came out (high school aged)
it's not that emulating cinema is entirely a wrong thing to do, it's that he did it while not understanding cinema or what makes something cinematicthe OP is a dead giveaway for how pleb his tastes werereally it's the same reason I hate VEG, it looks exactly like the late 2010s oscarbait flicks I despised the look of
>>283396501My main critic>budget wasted in 12 different ending>24 fps shitty CGI >tried way to hard to have a grounded tone for the anime to the point that every time the anime could have gone ball on the in term of direction, Naka show up with nail gun to make sure it stay groundedIt has its moment during the non action part but annoying during fight scene.
>>283396501If he was so much a cinephile like he claims to be, he should have taken inspiration from Grindhouse/B Movies and embraced CSM's frenetic and grimy nature instead of trying to sanitize it and wash away the dirt that the manga had. He thought directing it like a serious Biopic Oscarbait film is the way to go which to me showed he didn't understand the source material at all.
>>283401995I was JUST thinking about this in reference to Pompo the Cinephile, which does something extremely similar. The characters make an obviously oscar bait-y liveaction hollywood movie, but it doesn't read as liveaction in the least and would never look that way if someone ever tried to make it for real. It just looks like any anime music video.
cinema this, cinema that, when watching something by shinbou is probably more of a cinematic experience than anything else. His stuff is inspired by french new wave, while CSM's idea of being more cinematic is just being less anime: it sucks
A lot people don't realize how badly Nakayama messed up the entire Chainsaw Man adaptation with his vision and creative decisions, alongside how unpopular he was among the staff.>All the staff disagree with his vision, also pretty much stated that it wasn't the adaptation they wanted to make for CSM>The VAs for Denji, Makima, Aki and Kishibe weren't exactly thrilled with his voice direction even they questioned it. Just to remind you Kenjiro Tsuda (Kishibe VA) have done live-action as well>While CSM was far from being a failure financially it wasn't the hit that MAPPA hoped for due them wanting another JJK and weren't happy about it>According to one animator that worked on the film, MAPPA had lost all hope for CSM and the mood was pessimistic due the poor reception of S1 in japan. The film projections at box office were being extremely lowThe movie and compilations being a massive success was a blessing.
>>283396698Agree. And I think somehow the Reze movie, despite moving towards a more cartoonish style, respected that approach. Many scenes, especially in the first part, felt extremely realistic. I think the opening song summarized what they wanted to do: the whole breakfast routine in the my opinion was clearly a way of saying "we are not abandoning S1 style"; and then some of the more psychedelic parts, full of color, showed what they wanted to "add", rather than to change. Honestly, it felt like an organic evolution of S1, and it also made sense retrospectively because the Reze arc is when things start being really fucking weird in a cartoonish sense - with shark riding, tornado babies and so on. After that, it gets even weirder. I feel that once they get a bit more material on the table for future seasons and so on, Nakayama's choice will be vindicated: it maybe wouldn't have worked for the whole series, but it makes for a nice "realistic" start for a story that goes in a completely opposite direction - it establishes a premise that is then going to be flipped over. He missed the tone, yes, but now going back to it in the Reze movie felt super impactful. I don't think this was his plan, but it somehow worked anyway, at least for my taste.
>>283402463>According to one animator that worked on the film, MAPPA had lost all hope for CSM and the mood was pessimisticCan you link to the animator in question? I assume it was a tweet or something
>>283396501I didn't even get that far, I saw the first episode or 2 but was so disgusted by the slimy shit of skipping muscle devil to get to power faster (this probably wasn't up to the director) that I didn't watch more.The movie was fantastic though.
>>283396599>>283396501And it turned out to be amazing. I stopped watching anime for a few years and got back in because of the style and pace of the movie. It was really mature, and is what we will see more of in the next few years as directors realize they can hit that audience yearning for classical cinema, that isn't getting it anymore in the cesspool of modern woke and superhero landscape.I loved the Reze movie, but have to say the slow, muted vibe contrasting the craziness of the devil-hunting world and characters like Power and Denji, really had an oddly satisfying contrast.People hate on him, but in the next decade, and well after, it will be one of those things where people won't be able to understand how he got so much hate.
>>283397280Wtf is bottom? KnY?
>>283397280It immediately defines a person when they think top is bad. As good as the Reze movie was, I think it would have been even better if it had moments like this in it. Reze, reflecting on her feelings. Aki thinking about his life left. Makima quietly doing anything. It's kino. Nothing is said but the vulnerability in the quiet solitude really communicates who the character is.
>>283398932Why does the top feels like it has more soul?
>>283404813csm just was not the anime to try this with even normies agree on that
>>283396501I have no idea why people hate s1, I absolutely loved it, I read the manga after and it was a great adaption that elevated it. Apart from some bad cgi shots then and there the cinematic style it was going for, some shots were gorgeous to look at. It was a genuine tribute to Fujimoto and his love for movies, ill never understand the hate.
>>283396501>What was exactly wrong with Ryu Nakayama's direction of Chainsaw Man?Nothing, he deleted all the dumb faces and children decided to throw a tantrum
>>283406090nigger it's the anime equivelant of a snyder film
>>283396501It was literally hies first directional work. A lot of things he did you don't normally do because they don't work or look bad or feel bad. He would know if he had the experience.Best episode director was Goshozono.
>>283406090>I read the manga afterRetard.>it was a great adaption that elevated itDouble retard.>a genuine tribute to Fujimoto and his love for moviesYou don't know anything about the movies Fujimoto likes. I'll give you a hint. They're not the oscarbait schlock that Nakayama tried (and failed) to ape.
>>283406245Fujimoto loves schlock
>>283406242this never put a rookie on a extremely anticipated adapatation project mappa was retarded
>>283406286Yeah but the good kind.
>>283406369No, any schlock is fucking dogshit
>>283406245It was an adaption that played with the advantages that animation has compared to manga, if you want it to be 1 to 1 with the manga then just read it instead.
>>283406610>played with the advantages that animation hasit literally did the exact opposite
If you clap at this, you're an actual monkey
>>283396501A think a good case study is Kobeni. In the manga, she's basically a gag character. A fraidy cat teamed up with jaded vets and sociopaths for the sake of humorous contrast. Her expressions are exaggerated for this purpose. Meanwhile in the anime, the atmosphere is different and Kobeni is basically being played straight. The actress is putting in a heroic effort, sounding genuinely horrified and panicked. You actually pity her as she whimpers and cries and screams. But that's not the purpose of the character. It changes every scene she's in.
>>283406610His own words said he prevented that from happening retard.He made it so everything was slower and more serious.
>>283406090This
>>283406219>snyder filmRetard comparison
>>283406192The dumb Power faces at the beginning of the film adds nothing at all
>>283406245>They're not the oscarbait schlock that Nakayama tried (and failed) to ape.Anti-Nakayama crowds are funny. They just go off assumptions. People keep bringing up how Fujimoto likes Tarantino films, but there’s not an ounce of Tarantino-ness in the Reze movie. And why do people even think Fujimoto didn’t give a thumbs-up to the Season 1 adaptation anyway?
I think overall it's fine, but the first third is fucking awful to sit through. During the first four (maybe five) episodes, it's so up its own ass and insistently cool and serious that it can't be bothered to try to have fun with an incredibly goofy main character or an over-the-top bleak world. It kind of feels like the show is pissed off that it has to reduce Aki, the coolest character ever (who has a backstory and a sword), to a writhing mess on the ground after Denji kicks him in the balls. I'd say it gets better as it goes along, but I mostly chalk that up to it reaching parts of the manga that, so long as you don't change everything about it, will still function and have some amount of emotional resonance.There are points where I think the direction and tone do work, though. Episode 4 when Denji is in the hospital with Aki I thought was a good scene, and I like entire sequence with Denji at Himeno's place.
>>283396501He fucked yo Reze's hair color. But fr the pacing felt like shit in season 1, action half of the time whenever they brought out season 1 CGI saw man felt like a slug and inconsistent(episode 1 zombie battle for example).Surprisingly from the bits I seen I think I prefer the nakayama cut over the "de-nakayama cut" season 1 movies(for example the gun devil causality scene, I wish it had the black text like the manga, was okay with the text in Nakyama's version, and I think the white text take up too much of the screen in the de-Nakayama cut looked worse). Like I can understand people loving season 1(not me but to each their own). Like fuck, you tell Nakayama to remake Jin Roh or any other Kerberos panzer cop movie and I think he can do it.(yeah I know the bit of irony in my statement).What really went wrong was the mappa CEO not telling bro to STFU and basically throwing Nakayama under the bus(I don't care what anyone say, that motherfucker fired that other motherfucker). Also apparently the animation staff felt like he kept them of a leash and the VAs were confused by how he directed them, something something.>>283404978Maybe but I think with what we got and even the small bits of what the film adds(example being Reze looking pissed at the killer interrupting her school) do well enough show what the characters wants and how their lives are going. The film isn't subtle(literally we have the addition of the spider and the poison butterfly symbolism) but neither was the reze arc itself with maybe the expectation of when/how much Reze loves Denji.I simply wanted the reze arc but turned up to 11 and that's what the staff/crew post Nakayama gave me.>>283406307Mappa is ultra retarded
>>283396599These are all good things.
>>283407799True, 300 and watchmen were better adaptions than Chainsaw man season 1.>>283408624I think chainsaw man season 1 would have benefited from one extra episode. Muscle Devil should have not been cut.
So the manga for Chainsaw Man is recommended over the anime? I know very little about this series.
>>283408717I think the manga and anime are both pretty good. Movie trailer/movie poster spoils the same semi mid movie twist of the arc it's adapting. I would say read the manga first up between chapters 39-52 after reading 1-38 or watching season 1(season 1 cuts out half of chapter 2) before watching the movie. While the movie stands on its own the context from season 1/the manga helps fill some stuff in.
>>283408717I'd say go with the manga, yeah. Watch the first couple episodes afterwards if you want to understand why the anime is so polarizing.
The movie made me realize how insufferable Aki and the whole special division was. In fact, the "job" part in CSM makes zero fucking sense, it looked like Fuji was halfass trying to make a social commentary but for the first time i am glad part 2 ditched that thing completely.
>>283396783>The adaption had some good momentsWhen the most praised scene from a CHAINSAW MAN adaptation is a freaking BREAKFAST a la Ghibli scene you can tell something went completely wrong.The new movie also had a really good and detailed breakfast scene, I don't think someone would pick it as their favorite part.
>>283409443You know, with all the bullshit that happens in chainsaw man where's the military?
>>283409517Too busy gathering gun devil flesh for their bosses as they also make secret contracts with powerful devils for geopolitical reasons.
>>283404813>People hate on him, but in the next decade, and well after, it will be one of those things where people won't be able to understand how he got so much hate.What are you talking about? It was boring, this manga is a science saru or trigger type of anime
>>283406610>It was an adaption that played with the advantages that animation has compared to manga???????
>>283406610>It was an adaption that played with the advantages that animation has compared to mangalol!
>>283409735This looks like shit, but I blame Fujimoto's inability to draw
>>283409651Can you imagine if Science Saru did the adaptation?Then again, we wouldn’t have Reze arc movie most likely And that shit was amazing to behold in an IMAX Wish the anime was directed by whoever directed the movie
>>283408695Muscle devil would have been a waste of space, it was turbo Shonen shit monster of the week where denji monologues about stuff that you would have learned about him in the next arc
>>283397175jesus the anime looks so sterile in comparison
>>283409905>Can you imagine if Science Saru did the adaptation?Just watch Dandandan or Sanda. is obvious how they would adapt Chainsaw-man
>>283397175You would think with Fujimoto’s choppy and “raw” way of drawing, an animation studio would be able to keep up with him But this is an absolute mogging What the fuck were they thinking here?
>>283409472>breakfastEvery time I see someone bring up the breakfast scene, I just dismiss it completely because their strawman arguments are so purposely reductive.
fuck why the hell did dandadan get science saru and not CSM
>>283410094Chainsaw Man with a Creepy Nuts opening
>>283409651>science saruDandadan is lame as shit. All they did was taking the exact static panel from the manga and add animation in it. Like the band performance scene. They just add animation to head bumping. Lazy ass. While band anime have more dynamic animation and moving camera angles.
>>283410137Be happy we live in the timeline that Science Saru is doing great things with Dandadan It’s just only up from here for Chainsaw Man!
>>283409735Youre ultra retarded if you think Aki vs Katana in the anime wasnt good
>english without subtitlesEw.Gotta have to pass on the movie then.
>>283409905>Can you imagine if Science Saru did the adaptation?It would look like shit because Science Saru is a meme studio
>>283410227The animation and choreography was really good, but they did a poor job of showing how curse was hitting Shadman from outside the panels.
>>283404813I hope they have different type of director for season 2 that gives contrast to season 1's and Reze arc's styles.
>>283396501Reminder that he is now essentially blacklisted from animation and his work now consists of shitty commercials.His defence is pointless, he fucked up Season 1. You can tell how much the reception to CSM changed when the movie came out.
>>283396887Amemiya is a good director, and actually loved the source material. The Dragon didn't get the manga and you can see the difference with how based Yoshihara did the movie and for cheap.
>>283410688It not him having fucked up S1 that got him blacklisted though. Many directors fucked up slam dunks before and still got work. What got him blacklisted was his attitude. He refused to listen to any of the people working with him and forced them to do things his way, by pulling rank. Almost everyone who worked on S1 with him said that the experience was miserable because of him. The sound director especially. He's a prick, plain and simple.
>>283402848The source is from instagram.https://www.instagram.com/kozumashinsaku/p/DO2Oaq8j_v-/?img_index=3
>>283404813>I stopped watching anime for a few years and got back in because of the style and pace of the movie. It was really mature, and is what we will see more of in the next few years as directors realize they can hit that audience yearning for classical cinema, that isn't getting it anymore in the cesspool of modern woke and superhero landscape.You nitwit. That was exactly the problem. You stopped liking anime. This is exactly what alienate 90% of anime fans from the first season 1: it wasn't made FOR anime fans. It was made for tourists and people who don't even like anime anymore
>>283400617This Haruhi dissing is funny because Haruhi was actually cinematic in meaningful ways like Nakayama wanted but couldn't properly execute.You'd think they would read the manga to catch all of the substance and the meat and find ways to convey them in interesting ways through animation, but instead you get RTX on your onions sauce >>283407311 and otherwise very straightforward scenes butchered (Makima in the train is such a baffling miss)
>>283412222>Haruhi dissing is funnyIt becomes even more funnier due Fujimoto actually being a Haruhi fan.
>>283412325The endless stairs chapter was an Endless Eight reference iirc. Yeah, Nakayama had his head up his ass for too long.
>>283412378Endless eight was shit, but I at least understand how and why it happened. It wasn't planned by the staff, they didn't know they would have Disappearance taken away from them and left with nothing. It was basically "The fuck do we do now?" kind of situation. "Let's do the endless loop story to fill time". And even then, they actually did reanimate the thing 8 fucking times. There was effort put into it, they didn't do it because they thought they were improving the source material.
>>283396887Those have big goofy mecha battles so the contrast works. The characters are also teenagers and the series is based on a live action show, so it's emulating the "school drama" approach specifically.Chainsaw Man just didn't have the same success. It's meant to be pulpy b-movie schlock, not have serious direction. The comedy when toned down means the horror elements aren't as punchy, etc. etc.
>>283412535I think the direction was interesting and it was a well written story, just not worth 8 episodes.
>>283412662Because it wasn't supposed to be 8 episodes. It was supposed to, and going to be 3.
>>283408717The source material is pretty bad but I guess it’s alright to read to pass the time
>>283410688Is he really blacklisted?He made a pretty good name for himself as a talented animator before moving up to the post of director. He's not a Yamakan-tier lolcow (yet) and he'll always be sought after for his skills. Or do you consider directing the OP of that House MD anime as "blacklisted"? CM work isn't low-tier at all by the way.
>>283396501He intentionally butchered the look, feel, and delivery of the series. CSM has very strong absurdist dark humor tones, the anime plays this down as much as possible and instead plays everything 'straight' in a muted and direct way. It's as wrong as possible for it to be...it's like the anime/manga equivalent of a Holocaust movie set to a vaudeville reel.
>>283407311I don't even know but this webm really pisses me off. It's like forced animation but instead of being in the background it's the main focus, and not only is the animation focused but so is the storytelling involved the whole thing is so inorganic and weird you'd expect AI or Indians to have made it, a total waste of time devoid of humanity.
>>283415222I didn't have the words. Now I do thanks to you
>>283415125Back to Roblox, faggot.
>>283415241You didn't have the words "forced animation" and "inorganic" in your lexicon? Interesting.
>>283415256This isn't a console war thread, anon. We're exchanging information not shitting on each other.
>>283415257>so inorganic and weird you'd expect AI or Indians to have made itThis specificallyInorganic, pretentious, devoid of meaning, RTX, all of these come to mind, but it really does give off AI/Indian vibes because of the superficial praise vibes
>>283415294"Inoragnic", "pretentious", "devoid of meaning", "RTX", all very precise language, I like this>AI/IndianYou know, I'm convinced. This guy really has a way with words
>>283409443Public safety are only meant to look cool. They wear suits and ties like in Reservoir Dogs and they stand around and smoke and act nonchalant all the time because it looks cool. This is how Fujimoto's brain works. I really don't think he ever thought too long and hard about the fine details and inner workings of his fictional swiss army knife of an organisation.
>>283415375>I really don't think he ever thought too long and hard about the fine details and inner workings of his fictional swiss army knife of an organisation.I think it's for the best. Otherwise you end up stuck in a boat for a decade and get infinite back pain.
>>283396501Better director than Yoshihara
>>283415125NTA but i don't think he got blacklisted from the anime industry. It's more likely that the reception of Chainsaw Man season 1 end up, damaging his career particularly as director that anime studios aren't giving offers as director outside of contract work.
>>283396501Starting to feel like there wasn't anything wrong with it at all. Lord knows I'd rather see him working on Eri than whoever this new guy is.
>>283416103Look at these muted colors...I can't believe Nakayama ruined CSM.
>>283416154It's very "RTX" if you ask me
>>283416154>>283416103I'm glad Nakayama was very faithful to Fujimoto's Tokyo :)
Nakayama is bad because he actually hates anime. Pay no attention to the fact that he worked on key animation for>Milky Holmes>Nisemonogatari>Space Dandy>Flip Flappers>Eromanga-sensei>Ryuuou no Oshigoto>Kill la KillHe actually hates anime. Trust me bro
>>283415281We can do both. Faggot.
>>283417598>He actually hates anime. Trust me broAnno hates Eva and spent 20 years of his life making shit movies about it.
>>283396501CGI>inb4 it wasn't le heckin CGIYes it was.
I did like it, but that's about it. Direction wise, it had more misses than hits for me.I also wish they had used more of the soundtrack in the series.I think Hikaru last season had a much, much better execution and approach to what Nakayama was trying to do with CSM.>>283412222>>283412378>>283412662I really like Haruhi, although I'm not the biggest fan of it either, but Disappearance is fucking amazing.
>>283417937Your mileage may vary, it's just really funny to see Haruhi achieve what Ryu tried and failed at because he doesn't give a shit about Chainsaw Man and has no real eye for manga or direction. You think he spent all nighters at hot springs discussing and pondering the meaning of Chainsaw Man over alcohol with his team? KyoAni did that for Haruhi
>>283417598But he was an animator with no say in how the series was done. Once he got a taste of power, it immediately went to his head and though he knew better. He didn't.
>>283396501Bad t direction from shit director who tried to imitate epic real TV without directing any TV shows before. People often mention "realistic" "anti anime" as some sort of shield to defend this shitty adaptation>it's nor like ur childish anime it's like dorama!Except it is like netflix 4/10 slop at best if you judge the performance and direction by TV standards.
>>283417598>nooooo ignore what he saidRetard
>>283415866Having a show get a bad reception and lose money usually does not get you blacklisted in the anime industry. Many great and famous directors have had flops but still got work. Dragon boy, on the other hand, was a prick to work with. And you CAN get blacklisted for that, especially when you also fuck up the project. You can fuck a project up, but be easy to work with, and you still get jobs.Or you can deliver a great project, but be hard to work with, and still get jobs.You can't be both be a pain to work with AND fuck the final project up.
>>283418056>he doesn't give a shit about Chainsaw Man>has no real eye for manga or directionSwinging for the fences today huhTell me, between a director that mostly adapts the panels of a manga one for one, and a director that works with their team to come up with entirely new storyboards - which had to think more about how to keep the spirit of the source material?
>>283418244The director will always have to come up with new storyboard even if he sticks closer to the manga panels, because it's a different medium and you'll have to think of a few changes no matter what.And to answer your question, the one that cares is the one that doesn't shit out pic related, completely unable to understand what the original page was.I'm not even being subtle here. I'm not trying to criticize more gray areas. This is the kind of stuff even retarded shonenfags would notice. It's simply unacceptable to fuck up THIS bad as a professional.
>>283418133Chainsaw Man’s anime was popular in the west at least where everyone’s a retarded consumer of slop
>>283418373It actually wasn't that popular. It was 50% at best, but people who liked it are VERY loud. Also, Western fans are worth less, because they don't spend money on merchandise. They just pay a CR subscription, if that. They don't bring in money. It needed to have many fans in Japan, where people pay 100$ for a disc, and 200$+ for a Makima figurine.
>>283418501It’s a good thing that the compilation and the movie seems to have gone over well in Japan then
>>283417669Only my husband gets to call me that
>>283418056Do you honestly believe onsen trips aren't anything but an excuse for staff to get wasted and for producers to nail young voice actresses?
>>283418783That sounds like something that could (and would) happen quite often. I don't see how that contradicts what I'm saying, though. These guys went out of their way to put autistic obscure references that would only make sense in a hypothetical season 4. They kept track of the NPCs they drew and even wrote backstories for all of them. You don't do that if you're not passionate. I don't see Ryu doing that, ever. Even the anime cover wildly misses the point >>283416653 does this look like Chainsaw Man to you?
>>283396887Gridman was originally a live action series. It still used bright poppy colors for the characters.
>>283398795Missing the panel of Makima yabbaing because she was too late.
>>283400617The most insulting thing about Nakayama and his defenders is this insistence that human beings are incapable of acting zany. That is a complete erasure of the total cringe that exists in any anime club where people can and do try their absolute best to emulate the behavior of anime characters regardless of how wise that is.
>>283409905>Can you imagine if Science Saru did the adaptation?We'd get the proper zany Jojo-style colors and green blood CSM is supposed to haveEven Reze Arc respects Nakayama's dumbass decision to use red blood
>>283400617damn
>>283399605In regards to how the animators were treated by Mappa? Absolutely not. In regards to being faithful to the source material? Not a fucking chance. In regards being far better than the way the action was animated in CSM S1? Yes. By an order of magnitude.
>>283400617What a pretentious cunt.
>>283401929I don't understand why my fellow Millennials are so shit at creative endeavours.
>>283420679>Jojo-style colors and green blood CSM is supposed to haveThe damage the colored version of the manga and fujis meme chapter covers has done will never be undone
Mappa needs to keep Yoshihara in their animator dungeon until he fully adapts the rest of CSM
>>283420860The coloring of the panels only makes sense envisioning it with green blood.
>>283420824Generational divides have nothing to do with levels of creativity. Stop thinking in such categories.
>>283420824Think about how you, a millennial, have felt discouraged from engaging in creative works.
>>283396501Why does he look so smug?
>>283421140That's what being a pompous asshole looks like, anon.
>>283421140Does he look better in this picture?
>>283421304How about this one?
>>283421304Ugly. Is this picture after 2022?>>283421316Not too bad looking
>>283404813>the slow, muted vibe contrasting the craziness of the devil-hunting world and characters like Power and Denji, really had an oddly satisfying contrast.Shame that this was so misunderstood by the people that spazz out about it
>>283396599Naka sounds based. Looks like manchildren can't cope when he try to make it more mature.Besides, Japan is a boomer country so it was a good business decision to appeal to adults
>>283396501One obvious thing is the visuals, toning down the colors, dimming the lights, unnecessary fogs and angles, etc during certain important scenes. Don't get me wrong I love that shit but it simply doesn't work in CSM which is dynamic and absurdist. It worked for the slower paced scenes like let's say the introduction to Aki's apartement scene. But in most other scenes, especially the fights, It fell flat. It felt sluggish instead. Even when talking about this supposed contrast, the movie did it way better. Compare the slower, more cinematic scenes at the beginning during Reze's introduction at the cafe >>283399121, and then the climax of the Denji & Beam vs Typhoon fight. That's when it truly clicked to me, that's what an animated Chainsaw Man should look like.
>>283397175How the hell people look at this and still defend Nakajima. People who defended him and S1 definitely have never read the manga before
>>283401166>op wanted to shit on nakayama>the majority of /a/ also want to shit on nakayama and use the thread to rantIt's a win-win situation for both
>>283422427Where in the OP is the intention expressed to shit on Nakayama?
>>283422374i OBJECTIVELY understand the manga better than anyone else in this thread and i still prefer season 1 to the movie (slightly, i think both are good but flawed)
>>283422603Tell me, why do you prefer CGI Denji? Is it retardation?
>>283422633the bad cgi in a few scenes is the main issue with the anime yeah, it's the reason i don't consider it a truly great adaptation unfortunately. but in the scenes where they actually had enough time the CGI looks great and suit the type of fights in CSM better than the weightless sakuga in the movie
>>283422633There's nothing wrong with CGI.CGI fits chainsaw man PERFECTLY, go rewatch season 1
>>283422348Except they weren't trying to sell TO adults.
>>283400657Yeah, the music in the manga was great. As was the voice acting. Not the mention the animation..... you fucking imbecile.
>>283402046>>24 fps shitty CGI24? Nigga, that was 12 TOPS.
>>283421316>>283421608Dude's wearing makeup
>>283422671>CGI fits chainsaw man PERFECTLY, go rewatch season 1I don't need to take a second bite of shit to make sure that the first bite didn't taste like shit, anon.
CGI-Man was kino, you're all just plebs
>>283399640It has ice in it, anon. That looks like cola or barley tea. Even nips don't put ice in their beer.
>>283396501I don't really know if his direction was necessarily the issue as much as it was Mappa's classic mishandling of CGI and noticeably sloppy animation at key moments. watched the show a few days ago and 90% of it is fine, arguably even good, but there are moments that are just egregiously bad which immediately take me out of the show. the casting and voice direction for a lot of characters is also questionable. I frankly think Makima, for example, should have had a different voice. ultimately, he was the director so a lot of the blame is going to fall on him regardless of how responsible he actually was for the show's shortcomings. for the record, I haven't read the manga and only watched the show because a friend was streaming it before another friend was going to watch the movie.
>>283412222>you will never have the experience of watching Disappearance with /a/ for the first time again, with the tilted camrip and all
>>283421304>>283421316crazy how much a decent hairstyle can change a man
>>283423406My brother, we have people who worked with Ryu saying that he made them do stuff they knew was a bad idea. They KNEW it would fail, but he was the boss. And they told him.
>>283423233No
>>283399640You drink beer with ice?
>>283398734Many are saying this
>>283397192>and that the audience would not like itBecause they were wrong. Fuck otaku.
>>283396793This looks worse than Tougen Anki. It's as if Mappa WANTS to be worse than Toei's french/chinese/jeet animators
>>283423192Oh now you understand why anime adaptations shouldn’t be 1-to-1 copies. Imagine how boring shows like Bocchi the Rock would be if no one added any new ideas to the original 4-koma material. But this is what you faggots wanted.
The otakufag cheegyu opinions here reek.
>>283424612Who's worse: incels or chigyuu?And how common is it for chigyuu to also be nettouyo?
the only problem i have is that the first 2 episodes are low quality in terms of animation. but overall it's pretty good. the overreaction came from terminally online grassless weebs who wanted a more moe approach. or something i don't know. after watching the anime i read the manga out of curiosity and it was adapted pretty faithfully. i usually ignore anime discussions for this reason. weebs make zero sense.
>>283396501I prefer his direction. the movie was bland without his style
>>283396599literally all points that Ryu did a great job.
