Why does Japan refuse to make fantasy series with a normal party?
>fantasy>normal
>>283406302Your problem is that Japanese normal is different from western normal.
>>283406302What's a normal party? Wizard guy, two fighters, elf, dwarf and four manlets? Or wizard, manlet and a bunch of dworfs?
>>283406302the fk is a normal party?
Because there's no such thing as a normal party you inbred imbecile.Why do you think there's no iconic D&D party before Dragonlance?Because Greyhawk parties were the most uninteresting shit possible to the point the only thing people sort of remember (People in the 60's that is) is the Circle of 8, the circle of 8 made of absolute control freaks and schizos like Mordenkainen or Robilar, the same circle of 8 with somebody like Bigby who made all sort of hand themed spells because he was a perver who'd grope and check your prostate with his magic hand spells.The reason D&D exploded in popularity wasn't Greyhawk or other boring shit like Dark Sun with no notable party, no, it was fucking Dragonlance where every single party member was a fucking freak, you had Caramon being the prototypical He-Man but also a brocon and an alcoholic prone to depression outbursts, you had his wife Tyka who was a fucking barmaid that would smash draconian ass with her fucking frying pan, you had fucking Tass who was an ADHD kleptomaniac K*nder, and among all of these freaks and losers of course you had THE overpowered Wizard OC that gave birth to all overpowered Wizard OC which was Raistlin fucking Majere (pic related), the guy who was born a feeble fuck and then became some monstrosity with hourglass eyes and golden skin after making a pact with an equally freaky wizard now bodyhopping Lich called Fistandantilus (or ol' man Fisto for the friends and family), and you know said asocial fuck Raistlin also only cared about a fucking deformed female dwarf called Bupu, yes, he even got his chance to get his dick wet with a smoking hot priestess but he went all no way fag because bitch would drain his mana, the mana he needed forCOMPLETEWORLDDOMINATIONThrough time travel and God genocide.These fucks you'd call woke Tumblr rejects nowadays were the blueprint for all RPG parties nowadays because NOBODY wants some boring ass party of straight men, you clueless no game underage fuck.
>>283406648Anon, this isn't /tg/, no point calling anyone a no games.>because NOBODY wants some boring ass party of straight menDepends on the system, setting and table.
>>283406302Mage, healer, fighter, tank. All classes are played by appropriate races.
>>283406302Define normal party? Why Frieren party or Dungeon Meshi party don't count
>>283406933Tank or healer is not a class, thes're roles in an MMO.
>>283407108You know exactly what I mean, stop being pedantic.
>>283406302I demand source purely for the brown qt on the left.
>>283406933Cool. Let me know when there's a series about them, disingenuous fuck.
>>283407910Keep living in fear of imaginary troons, newfagYou'll never fit in
>>283406648>muh straight white mendilate tranny
>>283406330Let's have a look at the Fellowship of the Ring to see what a normal party might be>Absurdly huge and supernaturally strong special human, descendant of legendary kings and heroes, with elven and divine blood; he's an 87 years old virgin who will die at the normal age of 210, wields a 6000+ years old sword>Another huge human, son of the most important mortal lineage beside the first member alone in Middle-Earth, he's there because his brother has prophetic dreams from God and their daddy has favoritism>A divine being of incomprehensible might that contains his powerlevel in the body of an old man due to God's eternal keikaku, can solo the entire setting by himself besides things as old and powerful as him, like that time he defeated all 9 Nazgul at Weathertop and forced them to flee>Hobbit, the adopted son a legendary hero, he's a 50 years old virgin>Hobbit #2, a gardener who's there because his lord needs a servant; he's a 38 years old virgin>Hobbit #3, the Lord-heir of the MC's land and his cousin, a 29 years old virgin>Hobbit #4, another cousin of the MC, a 37 years old virgin>The Elf who's there because he was the least relevant elf around when the Fellowship was formed and they thought that he would not have been noticed by the Enemy due to him not mattering; he's a several centuries old virgin>The Dwarf who's the son of an hero who was friend of the MC's adoptive father, descendant of the first dwarf king, he's the most witty and poetic member of the group and a 139 years old virginReview the normalcy of this party
>>283406648Oh no /tg/faggot sperging out
>>283406302Because this isn't real fantasy but litrpg garbage.
>>283406470>>283406477>>283407029Normal.
>>283407829> Two mages is absurd. No D&D group ever had two magic users before.Listen to yourself.
>>283408255Keep pretending to be a moron. I'm sure that will lead to a successful life.
>>283406302Wtf is a "normal party" in fantasy
because tolkien shit is so incredibly dull and boring.
>>283408039Straight man as in Tsukkomi and Bokke "not quirky" you fucking imbecile, get what little remains of your brain out of the /pol/ gutter
>>283406648Bait shitpost
>>283408315Yeah, that's why it's the most successful and beloved fantasy franchise in the world, and this dogshit japanese litrpg garbage barely sells a thousand copies per volume. You are very smart, anon.
>>283406302You fantasy autists are fucking vermin
>>283406648Keep spreading the good word, fa/tg/uy
>>283406302They need a gimmick or no one will even give it a chance.
>>283408406And yet the most successful fantasy franchises these days are moving far and away from tolkien shit because there's much more exciting concepts.
>>283408465nta but you must be baiting>inb4 le sci-Fi and other types of fantasywe aren't discussing that, and even then, it's tolkien inspired
>>283408528he didn't invent elves and dwarfs if that's what you're implying
>>283408544The elves and dwarfs of Tolkien have zero relationship with folklore elves and dwarfs beyond their names
>>283408248Ninjas require 17 in all stats, they're far from normal.Only noobs would use humans in a party.
>>283408544no, he didn'the did gave them the shape and presentation which 99.99% of authors use though
>>283408595The greater and more relevant point is simply:People are sick of vanilla D&D / tolkien fantasy.It's time for new things.
>>283408616If you read Tolkien you'd realize nothing in there is similar in any way to any fantasy that came after, except very superficial stuffD&D is relevant, and even then Vanilla D&D was a dungeon crawler where the party was expected to get wiped out sooner than later, the modules with parties going on world traveling adventures came in later editions
>>283408302Normal.
>>283408679>mage knightspell-swords would not be considered normal by purists
>>283408616>The greater and more relevant pointokay nice goalpost moving>People are sick of vanilla D&D / tolkien fantasy.>It's time for new things.Frieren is number 1 on MAL
>I played pretend more than you have! You sure have, buddy
>>283408702It's Karla. That's as unusual as it gets.
>>283408710>Frieren is number 1 on MALbecause it's different, despite using normal staples, which is the point.
>>283408759It's different from what?
>>283408248>Two human deadweights>CHADeye the Ninja literally carrying the entire party, absolutely busted to the point he's the one who also kills Werdna>Some useless halfling fuck>Obligatory elf cocksleeve so the useless pretty boys can pretend they're not starved for cock>Pointless dwarf jobberNone of that is normal
>>283408759>despite using normal staplesSo IT IS using the tolkien base, and introduces some new elements that differ from his work.So it's actually NOT moving away from tolkien shit at all, and actively uses it as the base for new creative storiesAnd those 100s of authors that don't deviate from the base, their stories are redundant, as they offer nothing of value, which are the stories people are sick of.So it's not the base people are sick of, but the stories of authors with no creativity that use this base and hope that with only that it'll be enough
>>283409077>So IT IS using the tolkien baseno?Also define the "tolkien base" (again, he doesn't own elves and dwarfs, fiction were using them long before his)
>>283409120>Also define the "tolkien base">>283408068>he doesn't own elves and dwarfs, fiction were using them long before his>>283408595
>>283408039Retard
Tolkien really is the Mt. Fuji of fantasy eh?
>>283408679Parn's and Spark's parties are fairly normal.But Orson's party is more entertaining:Two fighters, a halfling (basically another fighter), a thief that too pretty to hide and a magic user that prefers fighting with a knife.
>>283408982>Some useless halfling fuckSomebody has to disarm the chests so you can loot.
>>283409289Fairly sure OG Wiz1 Ninjas can still do that
>>283406302>>283408248I don't understand, a normal DnD party would have at least one dark elf or tiefling being an absolute drama queen plagued with special snowflake syndrome. An asshole wizard trying to be a rules lawyer nitpicking everything with the optomized wizard race, the one guy who picks the worthless monk class/race out of petty spite then seeths that their class is shit, and finally maybe the guy who only wants to play humans but is too lowkey to stand out.
>>283409210this isn't really coherent, but a big difference is frieren doesn't have "chosen ones".In a way, it's even more "normal".
>>283409385You have yet to define normal
>>283409385>this isn't really coherent???
>>283409416A party consisting of 1 or more chosen ones which have the basic roles of>mage>frontline / tank>ranger (also something frieren lacks)>healer>optional thief With stereotypical personalities to fit them (something frieren bucks)
>>283409416Normal is normal.
>>283409523>>283409536Where does these definitions of normal come from?Clearly not Tolkien, nor any major fantasy that came after Tolkien that deviated from him like Discworld, The Wheel of Time, Elric of Melniboné, Earthsea, A Song of Ice & Fire and other stuff that clearly has none of the stuff you're talking about, nor fantasy older than Tolkien like Conan or Dunsay, that are even more different
>>283409627a vanilla / normal party derived from the convergence of generic fantasy games/stories.At the bare minimum you will have>magic>sword & board>archery But typically, there will also be a mage/priest healer.Eventually priests fell out of fashion and healing became a support or hybrid mage role.
>>283408595Depends on the time periodTolkien elves are inspired by the older closer to the origin than the literal made up fantasy that have nothing in common with the original depictions
>>283409318With reduced probability.
>>283406302Name one thing abnormal about the dungeon meshi party.
>>283409799Was the reduced disarm/unlock roll that worse for OG Wiz 1 Ninjas?It's been over one decade since I last played but I don't really remember them being much worse than rogues, OG Wiz 1 Ninjas were absurdly cracked.I do remember they got nerfed quite a bit in some of the ports/remakes.
>>283409381Only if you play with the invented people /tg/ schizo rants in their threads.
>>283409708>generic fantasy games/storiesName them please
>>283409869Their personalities.
>>283409869The only somewhat normal party member in Dungeon Meshi is Chilchuck>LaiosAutistic, monster maniac because he secretly hates people, siscon, pretty suicidal because he can't properly gauge the danger he's in>MarcilleMule, completely terrified of being left alone due to her half-elf lifespan, scaredycat, not even that good at magic, a bit racist>SenshiNEET, PTSD from seeing his previous party slaughtered, obsessed with keeping the dungeon ecosystem intact, okay-ish fighter, party's cook, somewhat suicidal at timesChilchuck is the only somewhat functional person in the party, largely because he's a parent and a fairly experience dungeon crawler in his later years as a halfling and ready to retire for good.
>>283410119>OG Wiz 1 Ninjas were absurdly cracked.I found them not worth the effort.Not needing equipment and having an instant kill attack are nice but at the point you get to use them the game is almost over and evil alignment is worse than good. At best you can convert a fresh thief via the dagger.
>>283409869See >>283409536
>>283410237>NEETthe fuck does this mean in the context of DMgoing down the dungeon is a profession
>>283406302>Here's your normal western party
Do you really want a party of kleptomaniac bisexuals?
>>283410265Wiz 1 Ninja has absurd beheading rates, only in the OG though, iirc from the NES version onwards they got nerfed all around because they were just rogues but better.Some later JP games like the Elminage games restored the OG Ninjas to their Wiz1 version and they're just as amazing but without needing the dagger for early conversions and much more reasonable stat spreads for class selection.Whether they're worth the effort is arguable because effectively your most valuable party members are a cleric and a wizard with a tiltowait anyway, but they're in no way weak, honestly way better than Lord or Samurai which are also a pain in the ass to get.>>283410311Senshi doesn't go down the dungeon, he's a literal janny
>>283410515>Senshi doesn't go down the dungeon>we see him going down the dungeon
>>283408982every fantasy and isekai should be required to feature at least one ninja in the party that always uses the same signature move and either succeeds magnificently or fails spectacularly
>>283410177You are out of touch. Thanks to stuff like Critical Roll people deliberately play up to the stereotypes.
>>283410473Honestly, doesn't look bad compared to the typical modern D&D and Pathfinder party. Ironically, it looks like weebshit fantasy. If your goal was to dunk on modern western fantasy, that was no the best example.
>>283410742>lookWhen my friends asked me to watch some Critical Roll stuff I could not believe my ears.It's like a parody of the most stereotypical liberal mid-20s first world nothingburgers self-fellating, but it's played completely straightYou have to watch it to understand how bad it really is
>>283406648>God genocideDeicide?
>>283410840There's too many gods in Krynn so genocide sounds cooler
>>283406302>anon comes up with a fantasy world only limited by his imagination>it's a party of gruff human warriors and maybe a token big titty elf girl if he's feeling risque
>>283410955Don't fix what's not broken.
>>283410955The three normal parties according to this threat>human warriors of varying burliness, one optional human mage, one or more optional non-human females for eye candy>one human hero, all-female cast of dicksuckers>one human male, one female elf, one male dwarf, one male Hobbit-like
>>283410515>only in the OG though,There were a lot of changes from the Apple ][ original to the remake based on Wiz 3's engine for Japanese computers, IBM and C64.>honestly way better than Lord or Samurai which are also a pain in the ass to get.A new character can be a Samurai. You just need gnome or hobbit with 17+ bonus points. It's a useful option to get some extra DUMAPIC or MAHALITO early on.
This is what fantasy should look like. Nu-anime faggots with their kawaii uguu quirky garbage need not apply.
Would people talking about normal parties shit themselves if a monk joins
>>283411740>if a monk joinshttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/wc1aPUwExKI
>>283408710>Frieren is number 1 on MALI guess the mods there finally gave up artificially uprating FMA:B to keep it on top.
>>283411462This is what fantasy should look like, nu-anime faggots with their westernized garbage need not apply
>>283408068>all middle-aged virginsPretty normal by 4chan standards.
>>283411970It was bound to happen. The average anime fan today has not seen FMAB. On /a/ as well. I'm surprised it wasn't some other crap popular with kids today like JJK or KnY.
>>283412064/a/ is full of normalfaggots these days, I doubt it
If your elf heroine doesn't have a flat, athletic ass - I'm not interested.
>>283412729>AIshit
>>283413110I wanted to see if any of the image generators could replicate this art style (protip: they can't). Maybe that one anime focused one can. NovelAI was it?
>>283413100
>>283406648You're retarded and wrong, do the world a favor and kill yourself already
>>283409223>Retardthat's what you are
>>283406302>normalfagging fantasyretard
>>283406648I'd unironically invite this guy to a party, as an autismo I'd listen to his ramblings, pouring drinks all night.
>>283406302>>283408248Pretty much every fantasy anime has a "normal" party by D&D standards, but I get what you actually mean. Problem is, no one's gonna watch a fantasy with more male characters than female. Otaku demand bishoujo, this has been the case since the 80s, and it's not gonna change. If you want your tight muscular heterosexual brothership of dudes, you'll have to look elsewhere.
>>283411462Meanwhile in 1980s Japan
>>283406648I bet this copypasta is real popular on /tg/ huh
>>283406648/tg/CHAD btfoing all of /a/
>>283414727>Pretty much every fantasy anime has a "normal" party by D&D standards, but I get what you actually meanThey absolutely don't, and you clearly don't get what I mean if that's what you believe.>Problem is, no one's gonna watch a fantasy with more male characters than female. Otaku demand bishoujo, this has been the case since the 80s, and it's not gonna change.Nobody cares about "otaku" anymore. Nowadays the anime business model relies primarily on streaming licensing, and most of the money from streaming is coming from western platforms like Netflix and Crunchy. The male otaku have moved on to other hobbies like gachashit and vtubers. Anime is normalfaggot hobby now, and doesn't rely on male otaku anymore, and hasn't for a decade or so. KnY becoming a national sensation and beating every record, and then JJK and Slam Dunk repeating KnY's success to smaller extent, made anime go mainstream. >>283414727>If you want your tight muscular heterosexual brothership of dudes, you'll have to look elsewhere.Wrong again. Fujoshis are the one group that still consistently shells out big money for anime that panders to them. Making anime about "tight muscular heterosexual brothership of dudes" is much better business strategy than going the usual failed route of pandering to 30-40 year old shut-in NEETs.
>>283416009Anime was mainstream long before Kimetsu no Yaiba hit theaters, anon.
True anime is made for the abnormal.
>>283416134Wait until you learn about literature
>>283416122Your idea of mainstream is clearly not actually mainstream. I'm not sure if you are aware, but past a certain age being anime fan in Japan was considered just as lame and embarrassing as being anime fan in the west. Normalfags and Stacies couldn't openly admit they watch anime and read manga before, but they can now. It was trendy to be Kimetsu no Yaiba fan and to show off your tankobon volumes on social media. Even 80 year old boomers were reading it and watching the reruns on their TV. Nothing has ever approached that kind of mainstream popularity and acceptance before. One Piece, Dragon Ball, Doraemon, Sailor Moon and the like may be popular, but that's more to do with the fact for how long they have been around and how many generations of kids have grown with it. Some 70 year old granny might be familiar with One Piece, but she's not engaged with it in any way, besides maybe buying some One Piece themed merch for her grandson.
>>283406302>doppleganger Laios leading the partyALARM ALARM
>>283416432Were you in Japan when this happened?
>>283407108the class thing is similar if less blatant piece of rap but the tank & DPS nonsense is easily one of the most deplorable shittropes in fantasy stories
>>283414727>tight muscular heterosexual brothership of dudes, you'll have to look elsewhereI think the original shoalacer party of the protagonist of this shit was an "we are all muscular male fags" party:https://mangadex.org/chapter/04375e77-f795-495b-8444-afc02460d40f/29
>>283412064Pippin's actually underaged by hobbit standards. Frodo's the only one of the hobbits who really should've been married already.
>>283411462That sort of style and colors was SOUL.Even the sillier schlock can have olsschool charm tho.
>>283410473hey it is the party from that famous "comparison" picsex with goblinas
You have to approach the issue mathematically.Normal means something that is within the norm.And the norm is, simply put, a function that allows you to determine which character is (very generally) stronger.All in all, according to different norms (in different conditions, teams, or contexts), the same vector (character) can be stronger or weaker.
>Black mage>White mage>Warrior with INT as a dump stat>Weirdo edgy multi-classer >Obvious DM character desperately and ineffectually begging the party to get back to the fucking campaignThis is the most representative D&D party ever
there is no normal adventurer party, because normal people wouldn't go spelunking in a dangerous and possibly mystical environment full with hostile monsters and deadly traps to search for treasures in a small group.
>>283413100>>283413282STUPID KINO ELF
>>283406648I always laugh my ass off when all mages in our parties die of instant aneurysm and are forced to make a new character because we hit the level they stop being fun.Wizards not even once.
>>283416854>powergaming murderhobo>guy who only half pays attention to the story>guy with homebrew race and a backstory full of dramait really is
>>283416838Let's not exaggerate, Euclidean metrics are sufficient. It also explains well why a team needs four specialists and not four people who are good at everything and nothing.
>>283416959>peoplechcaracters
>>283406302Why can't they make a fantasy setting without a "party"? Does it always have to be RPG mechanics pseudo-isekaishit?
>>283416939>>powergaming murderhoboLina Inverse is without a doubt the most faithful on-screen representation of your average tabletop player.
>>283416758Oh, you're right. Just looked it up. Kudos to amazon for the redesigns.
>>283416993What else are you gonna do with all those jobless mages, thieves, warriors and priests?
>>283416993Isekai usually skips the party and has a single overpowered main character who does everything and group of useless but attractive hangers-on.
>>283406302Watch Nageki Bourei/Let This Grieving Soul Retire. It's the most accurate fantasy party ever.
You may not like it but female mage with a "c-stave" staff with gem on top is the sum total, culmination of the "female mage in a party" and peak performance.
>>283417323I have no clue who the one on the right is.
>>283416009>if that's what you believeIt's pretty obvious what you're seething about>Nobody cares about "otaku" anymore.>Nowadays the anime business model relies primarily on streaming licensing, and most of the money from streaming is coming from western platforms like Netflix and CrunchyAll false statements>Anime is normalfaggot hobby now, and doesn't rely on male otaku anymoreCorrection, they've expanded to normalfaggots.>KnY becoming a national sensation and beating every record, and then JJK and Slam Dunk repeating KnY's success to smaller extent, made anime go mainstream.It was mainstream before those mutt retard.>Fujoshis are the one group that still consistently shells out big money for anime that panders to them.Wrong. Moetroons still shell out much much more money. Fujos are just more vocal and they've lesser products and so their spendings seems like more because they concentrate around a few. Love and deep space tops gacha market not because ML games aren't popular but because it's the only gacha game that panders to yume.
>>283416432No normal 70 year old I know is watching KnY. Are you talking about attention whores on social media? We had those before as well.
>>283417421>Wrong. Moetroons still shell out much much more money.Oh, so you're a total moron living 20 years in the past. No point in engaging with you any further.
>>283417501Nope, you're just lying and dishonest or most likely uninformed, most likely the latter seen in how you think most of overseas money come streaming platforms like Netflix(It doesn't, overseas isn't the 'West'). Moetroon pandering is pervasive all through the industry that to many it doesn't even register as pandering and just uwu kawai animu hijinks.
>>283406302>human male fighter>human male fighter>human female priestess>demon female mage>human male fighter>duck male thief>human male fighter
>>283417501>you're a total moron living 20 years in the past.Just open a seasonal chart and count the shows which is just self insert isekai harem slop or cgdct or just plain self insert beta male romcom.
>>283416854our HEROES
>>283406302someone post the leviathan greentext about saving jorm's dads, i cant find it
>>283416009>Nowadays the anime business model relies primarily on streaming licensing, and most of the money from streaming is coming from western platforms like Netflix and CrunchyNo they're not. First of all, you're utterly wrong that they don't care about domestic market because it contributes almost the equal revenue. >Inb4 data is old I don't think there's going to be such a large difference in data, considering only recently did this so called 'over seas market' overtook Japan. Some preliminary search gives me western countries only contribute 30% of the revenue while Asian market is still a large majority of the revenue.
>>283416009>>283417860And it's not just Western countries that had an anime consumer boom. Previously dormant markets like India and Africa too had a boom in anime consumption.
>>283417939Which I hypothise is what lead to overseas market taking over, not Western expansion.https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/1nhe9en/demon_slayer_infinity_castle_opens_to_48cr_in/
>>283407108>not a classdepends on your system - or series, since we are on /a/. Two for the price of one, btw.Rud - Tank (well, secondary occupation - the first one is brother)Nin - Healer (former saint).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPLVbhfZAg4
>>283410538Prior to joining with Laios's gang he hung out on the top couple floors, never going further than the orc camp and even then he only hung out to sell then went back up. He's a hermit, not a dungeon crawler.
>>283408068>>283406302just go watch the anime lord of the rings movie that came out then...oh wait no one was interested which is why this premise sucks ass
>>283417860Not all contracts are equal. A deal with a big western platform is worth more than with all those non-western services combined. Secondly, it's true that the industry at large is making more money in Japan and Asia, but this is mainly on the account of popular IPs and blockbuster movies. Your average late night TV anime slop makes nothing from merchandising, music or home video sales, and relies almost exclusively on streaming deals for most of their revenue, which is dominated by western platforms like Crunchyroll, Netflix, Disney and Amazon. So when you're looking at this kind of data and you see that there's more contracts in Asia, or you see that it says most revenue doesn't come from streaming, you have to understand that it's like two or three dozen of popular IPs making the overwhelming majority of revenue for the industry, which massively skews the data. All the garbage slop they pump out every season, that hardly anyone watches, barely makes anything at all, just enough to break even, and maybe a little more. The financial risk involved with making anime has been removed due to streaming bucks, so they're just pumping out as much garbage as it is physically viable and hoping it will lead to a boost of sales and popularity for the original source material. In the past, that kind of strategy was not viable. Not only because the production output was a lot smaller and thus there was a more limited numbers of shows that could be produced each year, but also because of the financial risk. So they had to be picky and choose material they thought might actually be successful and make a return on the investment. That's why an anime adaptation was a sign of prestige in the past. Authors usually had to reach a certain level of success to get one. Not anymore. Now any kind of base, worthless slop by no-name hacks with barely any sales or content for 12 episodes is getting an adaptation.
>>283419473>A deal with a big western platform is worth more than with all those non-western services combinedThis is just your head canon, at the end of the day it's total revenue that matters. >Your average late night TV anime slop makes nothing from merchandising, music or home video sales, and relies almost exclusively on streaming deals for most of their revenue, which is dominated by western platforms like Crunchyroll, Netflix, Disney and Amazon. And this is what I talked about here >>283417989. It's not just Western countries now that consume them.My Dressup Darling have an official Hindi dub. https://www.crunchyroll.com/watch/GEVUZ2ZK7/someone-who-lives-in-the-exact-opposite-world-as-me
>>283406302In my case, I don't understand why they're obsessed with making the group's warrior a teenager, without muscles, armor, or a helmet. They're all literally copies of Kirito, when the logical thing would be an adult with some combat experience, good physical condition, and some damn armor to protect their body.Meanwhile, their mages are children—not mages who look like children, literally children with little to no intelligence, but with unlimited power—and not a scholar who has spent decades collecting and perfecting his/her skills.And I won't even mention the clerics, who are just an excuse to give the love interest a job.I understand that all this is for aesthetic reasons, but any fantasy story loses my interest when it presents a world with magic, but everyone is useless. Grown men can't defend their village from a wolf, but then the main character shows up who's only been practicing magic for three days and can suddenly kill a dragon.
>>283419556Oh wait I can't see it, seems region locked. But you can search up some late night otaku core slop and you can see them having official Hindi or Arabian dubs now that didn't used to exist before.
>>283419473>Your average late night TV anime slop makes nothing from merchandising, music or home video sales, and relies almost exclusively on streaming deals for most of their revenue, which is dominated by western platforms like Crunchyroll, Netflix, Disney and AmazonAlso, pretty sure most of them are just one big advertisement for their original manga/light novel and where they cover up most of their savings.
>>283406302cause incels don't have any friends, only goon and fear competition
>>283419556>This is just your head canonIt's hard data, moron. You can look this information up yourself. I think Oricon still publishes revenue breakdown for top franchises. You can see how much they make from movies, tv royalties, music, merch etc. Add the numbers up, then subtract from estimated total revenue numbers for the anime industry, and you can figure how much money the late night tv anime slop makes. Turns out they make jack shit. But keep believing whatever you want, moron. >It's not just Western countries now that consume them.No shit, moron. Have you seen the population statistics? White people are only like 10-12% of the global population. Of course there are more brownoids watching anime than whites, duh. The overwhelming majority of them stream it illegally, so they're not relevant to the sales discussion.
>>283419821>incels don't have any friendsReally?What do you mean by fear competition?
>>283417630>duck male thiefThe thread is about normal fantasy characters, not Swedish fantasy characters!
>>283406302
why are third worlders so obsessed with medieval europe?
>>283420626>You can look this information upAnd you can look up where most of the revenue from those late night slops come from.See >>283419778>Of course there are more brownoids watching anime than whites, duhSo do most whites I'm sure. >The overwhelming majority of them stream it illegally, so they're not relevant to the sales discussion.Nobody cares about consumption per capita. If they did, then Japanese population would be the number one priority and this entire conversation was pointless to begin with. Most Chinese who consume anime pirates but the sheer number of paying customers is enough to vastly over shadow any Western country.Also another incorrect assumption. Average brown doesn't know how to pirate. Most of their demands are driven by organic growth in legal consumption. You don't make official Hindi or Arab dub for a late night slop like Dressup Darling if you don't see money for it.
>>283408248I was surprised there was sudden elf waifu. Probably because I didn't know they were in the Wizardry mangas.
>>283406648didn't read Dragonlance, where did Laurana put it in all this?
>>283413100this sort of body was pretty much a thing of current fashion. If it was earlier in the 80s, she would have that stocky belly, hips, thighs and calves you can see in older anime, say Ranma.
>>283423456and few years before that, even thiccer
>>283406933you mean,>"Rei, but hear me out", "oh shit there needs to be more people in party", muh yuusha selfinsert, "oh shit there needs to be more people in party"
>>283408609>he did gave them the shape and presentation which 99.99% of authors use thoughincluding the contrarians and haters that sneethe about him and his stuff's superiority, hoping it makes them interesting
>>283408679>>283408702sex with gish Karla
>>283406933where's their rogue?
>>283409077dude, the whole problem with Frieren is that is nowhere based on Tolkien, it's chain of low-quality derivatives of low quality derivatives it's built on.
>>283408068>schizo postI ain't reading that
>>283409523>With stereotypical personalities to fit them (something frieren bucks)
>>283423816Yes?Neither party of frieren's had typical personalities for their roles.
>>283417049anybody has the more famous comparison pic? I can't find it anymore, only googled this one up.Still would the goblina and Laurana threesome
>>283416993Joining forces and hanging with friends/close ones is normal behavior so why not in stories.If you forcefully wanted to get rid of that, today's author would write a story of loner adventurer/knight/person with a quest in the style of "muh solo flexxan" with even more RPG mechanics pseudo-isekaishitalso as this anon says >>283417083
>>283417323>not a gishfeh
>>283406648>no iconic D&D party before Dragonlance?
>>283423911>i-it's not stereotypical if I put two tropes TOGETHERAnd not even sure it's the case of that, you are coping hard regardless. Fucking read more.
>>283424145You haven't actually elaborated on why they're stereotypical.
>>283408068You left out Gandalf being a virgin too.
>>283418551>former saintsome of the things Japan randomly comes with are pretty low-key funny>>283424152what? If Frieren isn't one of the first few anime/etc things you watched, you have seen them all>anime alcoholic that is oh so funny>insert Dragon Quest-type "hero is a class" template>Dwarf. Just dwarfI mean, okay, everybody does this, but don't try to brainwash reality into callings art, okay
>>283424257>low-keyah that makes more sense as to why you're so retarded.wasting time arguing with a z**mer
>>283424220Galadriel got him running again after the Balrog incident with naked body sexual healing, anon
>fighter>edgy fighter>rogue>ranger>wizard>clericThe Grimgar party is pretty standard, even when they drop one of the fighters he gets replaced by a paladin which is normal to have in a party
>>283424271>wasting time arguing with a z**meryeah dream onas an uncritical Frieren wanker, you may easily be half my age and boy I'm not glad I can say that. fuck you actually, lucky kiddo
>>283424322>a br*teven worse my lord
>>283423800>people making new medieval europe-ish fantasy shows is badYou people are at best "no fun" allowed at worst insane. everything bad, you're NOT allowed to make or enjoy new shows of the kind because they're not going to be Tolkien oh that is the only fantasy media I know btw. Obviously not, doesn't mean people are going to stop making anything because you want them to. The hate is artificial, d&d wasn't hated to this extent before, people had fun with it but now it's evil.
>>283408710>Frieren is number 1 on MALAnd it's dogshit and a memeYour point?
>>283409869They are ugly and stupid and it foud success among westerners because they are tumblr design and they can projecty their mental illnesses on them
>>283423812>minimalistic description of a character is schizoAnon are you alright?
>>283424025oh, found it, should have just googled critical role like I had brainI wonder how big a mistake it is to watch the series they are apparently cooking. No goblin nipples I guess.
>>283408068Legolas is a prince, not just some chucklefuck
>>283424220I forgot Maiar and Valar can have sex, sorryYou think Melian fucking Thingol and making Lùthien would be big enough for me to remember that
>>283410473>>283424025>>283424387>it's a male goblintragic loss
>>283424412Compared to anyone around him at the Council of Elrond he's fucking nobodyAlso>Prince among LaiquendilmaoThere are two direct descendants of Eärendil and fucking Glorfindel at the Council, Legolas was a child sitting at the grown-up table in comparison
>>283424426really makes you wander if Morgoth ever tapped the spider
>>283424516It's hard to say if it's possible for Ungoliant and her brood to mate with a ValarShe was "a spirit" that entered Arda, so she's either about as old as the Ainur, being born during the Ainulindalë, or even older, being some weird shit that existed in the void with Eru before the AinurShe could understand speech, so she had a fëa, no doubt, and in theory all children of Eru with a fëa could interbreed with each other because sex and reproduction are the metaphysically regulated before any biological barrierIf you read the text any time Tolkien writes about Ungoliant and Shelob he uses words, metaphors and images related to sex and lust ("desiring to be mistress of her own lust, taking all things to herself to feed her emptiness" for example) for one could headcannon that the original father of Ungoliant's dark brood was Melkor, who mated with something to "create" in his eternal envy of Eru's Flame in contrast to the other Valar who never reproduced; also, the male spiders that Ungoliant mates with and eats after she flees are said to have been born when Angband was made, so maybe Melkor did some shit there tooWho knows
fuck party and rpgi want more rts fantasy
>>283423545what a slutas expected from elven miko
>>283424143I heard about these from early gradeschool pals describing one of the shows they watched on satelite TV (without understandind) years before I even know DnD *local knockoffs* existed, much less DnD.I made the connection like 15 years later, when the mangled names of the characters and the show clicked somehow. Weird moment.
>>283408315There are no healers in Tolkien and mages are underwhelming - can't even cast a single EXPUROSN!
>>283425025>There are no healers in TolkienAragorn literally heals people by touching them
>>283406933elf, cleric, warrior, dwarf
I would be glad if I never saw another orc or elf or dwarf again
>>283425087>race>social class>profession>raceWhat did anon mean
>>283410955I would also include a 70 year old human wizard for utility. Wizard must be visibly old or it's not a normal party.
>>283425111in dnd basic, classes (profession), races outside of human, and social classes are categorizedas the same thing.
>>283406302Competitive sex with the redhead while the blonde watches
>Princess specialised in becoming one with a dinosaur from_behind "human "melee fighter>a love interest prince, human melee fighter>burly comedic dude brute force, human melee fighter>dexfag human female melee fighter>a silly youngish dude wizard>two furries, one prostituterate the partyOP song is epic tho
>>283406648/tg/ herethis anon does not actually play games. Everyone who plays RPGs fucking hates dragonlance and the railroad bullshit it led D&D down for decades.The dragonlance party isn't even remotely what the average RPG party is even in today's era of quirky tieflings.Dragonlance was never popular as a game setting either, it's always been forgotten realms, and the actual popular party was drizzt's traditional team of >elf ranger>human fighter>halfling rogue>female archer>dwarf warriorOnly thing missing from what is considered the ideal party is a cleric.tl;drthat autistic fuck has never played a single RPG session in his life.
>>283425433>Only thing missing from what is considered the ideal party is a cleric.leave it to Salvatore "let's write a novel where I name my notConan boy MC Luthien and call the continent Eriador" master writer
>>283425497For whatever reason, D&D novels really hate adding a cleric.I can't think of any D&D based novels about a cleric, even though they had entire series about the various gods.
- ranger- witch / mage / summoner / healer- tank- useless princessSeems pretty normal to me
>>283425537>modern soft shoes in a world before concrete and where you have to walk everywhereThis retard is going to get crippled after a day of marching
>>283425497>let's write a novel where I name my notConan boy MC Luthien and call the continent EriadorKekImagine writing a manga and calling the MC Bulma, living in the land of Nappa
>>283425497>Luthien>Eriador>oh and the other characters are called Oliver and CatherineWhat really fucks me up that this shit was not his first book. OTOH, if it was, maybe he would not be published.>>283425528It's probably because which young adults want to be a fucking priest. When I first got my paws on Eye of the Beholder II (first DnD contact) as a 13 yo or so, and saw there is a "cleric" class, I was, like, wtif, why? (At first I misread it and thought it was "clerc" which didn't sound that much worse to me, to illustrate).It takes time for you to appreciate how healing magic is probably the single most fucking miraculous thing ever and should be seen as the most worthy thing ever, by sufficiently smart people. But as a teen, you don't think that way, chances are good nobody you know died of cancer/got killed by a car or similar stuff. Much less tasting how fragile life is yourself.
>>283425528>I can't think of any D&D based novels about a cleric, even though they had entire series about the various gods.Salvatore of all names wrote something about cleric. It was a gimmick of it, though, "Cleric Quintet" or something. Wasn't very good but dunno if it just wasn't very good period or wasn'T very good even for Salvatore
>>283425586You are underestimating the bonds of his shoes
>>283425528Not having a healer around adds stakes.
>>283424314get your guild names right, it's warrior (replaced by paladin)dark knightthiefhuntermagepriest
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>>283426526>all closed eyesI hope this isn't bastards that betray
>>283406477I nominate Naheulbeuk dorks
>>283424412Thar leggy lass be a princess? Ain't never hearin' the o' tha!
>hey, an early unicorn rabb-- pig?
>>283425624But she has distinctive look that sets her apart, right
>>283406302Where is the paladin cockslut?
>>283420706other males are clearly competition
FUCK elves
>>283424516>>283424700>Give it to me..>I must have it..>Precious treasure..>I deserve it..>Where can i run, where can i hide the Silmarils>Gems of tree-light, their life belongs to me!
>>283430165For me it's Curse of Fëanor>I cannot turn back the time>Don't look back>There's still smoke near the shore>But I arrived>Revenge be minehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TruPe0V2p7Q
