>>283503367
It took basically everything that made it interesting and engaging and ruined it.

NO, I DON’T WANT THAT!!

>>283503367
It didnt copy muv luv enough

Ever since Serumbowl the writing took an absolute nosedive and Isayama clearly had no fucking idea what he was doing. There are hundreds theories why that happened, some blame the director change, other say he was pressured by outside influence to change the controversial "nationalistic" work etc. It's probably a combination of all of these but we will never know the truth.

In hindsight the writing always had some sloppy moments (convenient fucking big ass boulder in Trost that perfectly fits the hole in the wall that Eren SOMEHOW can lift even though it should weight so much it should crush him instantly) but at least they were more like plot devices to move the story forward and not waste time and weren't contradictory to how things worked. Ever since Serumbowl/RtS, Isayama just kept writing shit against his own logic and ideas and there's just too much shit to list, it could fill a book how much he fucked up and how many contradictions are in last few chapters alone, not to mention entire last few arcs.

>Specifying a percentage of how many Erin killed
>Erin's abrupt idea of suddenly killing the majority of mankind going nowhere undermining his character and the overall weight of his shit actions
>Erin having no clue why he killed his own mother, just felt like it
>The whole meltdown in front of his friend over a girl he outright rejected

>>283503367
Instead of a blood-pumping action series it became too moody and boring

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Threadly reminder that Mikasa is bred by Jean's thick cock daily and that bird Eren can't do anything but watch as Mikasa moans Jean's name over and over and over again.

>>283503367
being written by Isayama

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The simplest answer is this - AoT for all it's possible flaws rewarded paying attention and theorizing. A seemingly innocent line said by a character in part of a panel could have huge ramifications and the story was satisfying to everyone who remembered the little details. There are old threads where people predict Reiner and Bert are Titans purely through their dialogue and reactions and interactions with Anniebut got laughed off.

The things simply made sense. It was breath of fresh hair how "of course characters need to think about that, of course i they have to take xyz into consideration, character x said xyz and now it's mentioned again" etc. It was immersive and exciting.

Since the timeskip, there was no more of that. There were Hobo Eren theories and GRIM REMINDER but it just wasn't the same. The story became shallow as fuck and a lot of things that would be HUGE deals and important got sidelined to rush and shit the garbage story out eg.
>Levi is out of commission for entire COTT/Season 2 because of a fucking twisted ankle fighting Female Titan but now cleaves through Shifters like it's nothing even though he got turned into Swiss Cheese by Zeke
>The fact that Pastor Nick said even if mindless, Wall Titans will move if just exposed to sunlight or that Armin said the titans followed Eren's orders for hours after he gave them and way after Dina was killed should make at least Armin or Hanji question the "kill Zeke to stop Rumbling" plan but no one voices it.
>Mikasa being a princess story literally amounts to nothing even though it was hinted in earliest chapters.

>>283503447
>it was le global conspiracy
Or maybe he's just a fucking hack. He straight up stated he likes NTR and he outright admitted he laughs at his own characters being humiliated. The ending is exactly what Isayama would write.

Not nearly enough time. Give it another 20 years.

>>283503367
The mangaka watched Game of Thrones.

>>283503538
AOT's main inspiration is a famous manga full of NTR shit from the beginning to the end so I am not sure why people were surprised.

For much i like how WIT literally MADE AoT and established the atmosphere, aesthetic etc. i blame anime. The popularity 100% influenced Isayama's choices, especially with characters:
>Mikasa from being told to be just a mother-like figure to Eren was shipped in anime so he moved towards that
>Anime hyped up Levi from very strong but not too absurdly strong character (he still made mistakes and almost got pwned by Annie) into a fucking killing machine/tactical nuke that will literally destroy every titan he faces no matter what. They also cut him being an asshole in Uprising to make sure he's likeable.

>>283503367
People were not into AoT for what it ended up turning into post-timeskip

>>283503367
People hyping it up before the story was finished.

>>283503582
>AOT's main inspiration is a famous manga full of NTR
What?

>>283503677
>teenagers trained in combat
>constant state of war
>some group of people is oppressed by the government, segregated and feared by the people because they have some genetical gimmick to control monsters
>one of the main trio goes full asshole mode and plans terrorist attacks at a summit full of politicians
>on top of that he starts bullshit with his closest friends and female mc in love with him
>some major bullshit about muh cycle of hatred going back generations
>the place full of shitters gets ultimately destroyed by one of their victims
you tell me

WIT leaving

>>283503367
Game of Throne'd all over itself.

>>283503533
>mystery box plot
>jangles keys and tosses a few morsels at the fans
People declare this to be genius writing.

>finally has to answer the questions and resolve shit
>shits all over itself

feels like no one talks about AoT anymore despite how big it was

>>283503795
Because it wasn't as deep as people wanted to believe it was.

>hook is that Giant monsters are attacking us
>we don't know why we are in this walled city are we the last humans on earth
>ZOMG THE TITANS ARE HUUUUUMANS
>OMG THERE ARE ACTUAL NAZIS WHO SENT US TO THIS ISLAND
>oh...
>Oh no.
>This is fucking stupid.

>>283503819
That's because the entire S4 is about the main characters constantly repeating to the Nazis that want to genocide them how they are "the same" because they used violence to retaliate.

>>283503367
>what went wrong with AoT?
Eren didn't marry Armin and Armin aged like shit.

>>283503793
>genius writing
I mean, he did make the equivalent of the cop that killed George Floyd a hero because some Black guy rioted too much, and the audience did not bat an eye. Few people would be able to pull this off.

>>283503367
"Attack On Titan" is a mistranslation...

>>283503367
not enough JM scenes

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>>283503367
Armin didn't go far enough. But still you shouldn't forget to bow down

>>283503367
Honestly, not much in my opinion. I never read the manga, but from my perspective, the worst thing about the ending is it was a bit contrived and somewhat unsatisfying, but otherwise did its job. The main complaints I've seen about the ending, mainly around Eren's character dont hold imo. Maybe it was different if you read the manga, but alot of it seems to stem from mischaracterizing Eren and his motives.

Overall there were definitely parts I didnt like, but it was fine

Everything fell apart when they went across the sea and revealed the rest of the world
The entire course of the story took a fucking nosedive
It's a retarded decision to bloat the character cast with an extra 1/3rd, then expect the audience to like or sympathize with these new faggots because
>THEYRE LE THE SAME! WAR IS LE HELL THEY THEY BOTH LE ARE LE MORAL GRAY!!
fuck you
Total marley death erin didn't go far enough. The only thing he did wrong was fail to wipe out their entire race
It was doomed from the middle

>>283503795
Because the ending was shit
Game of throne's cultural relevance evaporated over night because the ending was shit. Exact same thing happened to attack on shittan but it a was slower death because it took them half a dedace to drip feed the final last finale totally ending this time fourth final season

>we are being Attacked on Titan
>we are now being Attacked on World War 2 Fanfiction Mary Sue

>>283504724
>i can't sympathize with these characters because... they're not the main characters
33 IQ thread.

>>283504835
NTA but what is there to sympathize with Marleyan characters, exactly?

>>283504835
Marleyan characters aren't sympathetic and they do not have relatable nor understandable motivations. Obito Uchiha's waifufaggotry was more sympathetic than Reiner's PTSD.

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>>283503533
Everything related to that shifter fight on top of Eren was the most anti-AoT shit ever. I couldn't possibly understand what Isayama was thinking

>>283503367
The ability of Eren to control titans in the past to some degree (sending the titan to kill his own mother) was a bit too convoluted and took things too far. Aside from that it was all fairly solid.

Perhaps the ending could have been paced better and more fleshed out. But I can appreciate the author wanting to finally conclude his work and not drag things out unnecessarily.

Kept too much the good kind of mental illness at bay. Should have gone all the way in and for a moment it really looked like the ending is going to be completely schizophrenic but ended up being like fanfiction tier insane instead. Pity.

>>283505203
>The ability of Eren to control titans in the past to some degree (sending the titan to kill his own mother) was a bit too convoluted and took things too far. Aside from that it was all fairly solid.
This was pure shock value reveal that made literally no sense whatsoever. It's funny people meme on the "thank you for being mass murderer for our sake" but at the very least you can see some intention of Armin trying to sympathize with his friend, the mother twist was genuinely retarded because it adds fucking nothing to the story, just more Eren humiliation and tragedy by throwing away all fucking established logic and rules, just to have one extra humiliating line.

>>283504931
Gabbo is a carbon copy of Eren. If you can understand Eren's anger and desire for revenge after Shiganshina gets attacked, it should be very easy to understand Gabbo's when the same thing happens to her in the internment zone. Since she's not one of the people who attacked Eldia it's not even a tit-for-tat situation from her perspective, she's purely a victim. Yet the average reader/viewer can only think "nooo she killed muh funnee potato girl! i hate her!!" This wasn't even a morally grey situation, Gabi/Falco/the child warrior candidates who died in the interment zone are as black and white as you can get. They were clear victims of Eren, and Sasha as well (who shot Gabi's friend right in front of her with no hesitation).
>but i don't like this mary sue character!
Ok. But her emotions and motivation are still perfectly comprehensible.

>>283505606
Gabbo is a really sloppy attempt at "parallel" and her story is really on the fucking nose. Typical "i hate them but now i have to live with them and warm up to them".

>>283505606
>Gabbo is a carbon copy of Eren
No, she isnt. Gabi is a racist happily killing real people for her Nazi government. I am not sure what is there to empathize with or understand. Reiner attemped to genocide an island for his Nazi government multiple times.

None of them have sympathetic motivations or a legitimate desire for revenge and you can understand. They country started shit, and they participated in it. Eren was a victim.

>>283505606
>But her emotions and motivation are still perfectly comprehensible.
they are if you were born and raised in New York or Tel Aviv, unfortunately for you most people can still tell who's the aggressor and who is the victim in a story.

If all Eldians descend from Ymir, they all have Royal Blood.

Isayama went full retard with timeskip and Ymir's backstory. Not to mention there's really no fucking way you could explain it without resorting to extreme Stockholm Syndrome - she should have took over the moment she gained Titan powers.

>>283505606
>Yet the average reader/viewer can only think "nooo she killed muh funnee potato girl! i hate her!!"
The average viewer sees a child soldier acting like a Klan member killing someone from the group of people her government has been trying to genocide for three seasons

>>283505987
The parallel is a sloppy attempt because it requires you to believe that using violence against the nation that is trying to genocide your people puts you on the same level as your wannabe genocider.

>>283505203
>The ability of Eren to control titans in the past to some degree (sending the titan to kill his own mother) was a bit too convoluted and took things too far
I still don't get why he is allowed to do that even. That's just asking for your story to be broken. First it started with "the attack titan can get visions of the future ala dejavue" and then it went "ok he can manipulate past events becasue lmao".
Imo there were alot of small dumb things scattered across all of AOT, but people overlooked them because the plot was engaging. Like why do they have openings in the walls at all, why can't the survey corps just go over them they clearly can with how many times the hang out there. Why is levis underground village only mentioned once and why didn't they bury underground from the start gurren lagaan style. Why did they give every titan to a mentally unstable teenager, why did they send 25% of thier population into titan infested territory?
And many many more

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>>283503367
Eren cucking himself TWICE

>>283507278
Isayama was so desperate to make Eren look bad and armong good

Lotta people itt who view the Marleyans as Nazis. Maybe it's because I spent years on infinitychan and pol but I always saw the Eldians as the "le evil" Nazis. They were essentially the last bastion of hope for their bloodline that were actively trying to be eradicated through roundabout means and infiltration, had their history covered up/altered. Essentially had the entire planet on their knees in the past. You even have characters like Zeke who demonstrate a certain amount of "white guilt." Sure, maybe isayama didn't intend that to be how the story comes across but some stories just have a transcendental quality to them and I think isayama saw how the story was starting to come across and decided to can the whole I must ethnically cleanse the world to prevent my people from being ethnically cleansed thing

>>283507834
People see Eldians as Jews because superficial armbands when it couldn't be more clear that the story is literally what would happen if all the "white hating" nations got their way and became majority/dominant powers and what they would do with whites for their crimes of colonizing, empire warmongering etc.

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>>283503503
Remembering the time when "Jean the Real MC" was a meme since the thought of him winning was just that ridiculous

>>283503592
>Anime hyped up Levi from very strong but not too absurdly strong character (he still made mistakes and almost got pwned by Annie) into a fucking killing machine/tactical nuke that will literally destroy every titan he faces no matter what.
Except when he had to sit out an entire season for a sprained ankle because the ODM gear needs to be precise and perfectly balanced.
But less than 24 hrs after an anti-titan nuke to the face, getting half his hand blown off and being unable to walk without help, he's good to go. Just a scratch!

Timeskip and basement were a mistake. From a genuinely interesting and well thought of setting with potentially rich lore (with potential for ton of stories in different towns/in the walls etc.) it got turned into the laziest WWII parallel in existence with literal flipped upside down Earth, couldn't make this shit up.

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>>283503503
>my favorite anime series ends with complete and total ntr
that's why AoT is the goat

>>283507333
Erasing moral nuance is pretty bad, but Eren should've known better than to make Historia resort to the farmer.

The simplest answer is - the writing always took a nosedive when it focused on EMA. Every time Isayama had to write around a character he "didn't care about" eg. Erwin, Levi, Kenny, Historia, Jean, it was a masterpiece. The moment story focused back on Eren, Mikasa and Armin it always went to shit. Isayama is a good writer when his personal biases do not cloud him.

>>283508883
Eren and Armin had some good writing, particularly early in the story. The real problem was Mikasa. Isayama totally dropped the ball on her even though her personal crisis was meant to be the heart of the story.

In simplest terms, Isayama established certain things that, when trying to untangle them in a global setting, were very hard to balance. My preferred example for this is the intelligent titans. It's one thing to have titans attack humanity basically on instict, that could have a million explanations. Maybe they just are like that, maybe they're aliens, some science experiment, a fucking wizard did it, whatever. It all works if they're basically animals. But if you have a bunch of intelligent titans, now you need a proper explanation. Why would intelligent beings do the things the titans do? And trying (and failing) to come up with a satisfying explanation is pretty much the original sin of everything that is awful post-timeskip.
Other flaws like the character assassination of Eren, Historia or Ymir are just minor issues in comparison to the clusterfuck that was trying to create a world where titans make sense.

>>283508883
EMA was fine in the early arcs, it went to shit after the timeskip because he has them acting wildly OOC and not communicating with each other for plot convenience, and used timeskips to avoid having to show them actually discuss anything of importance.
Like after the basement for example. Immediate timeskip. You'd think maybe we would get one scene of characters discussing the implications of the massive bombshell discovery they worked towards for the entire series, but instead it's just "and then we killed all the rest of the titans on the island and went to the beach".
Same with Eren getting estranged. All happens offscreen so you have to suspend disbelief that he just never talked about anything with his two best friends he was inseparable from since childhood and survived countless life-or-death situations. And you get that restaurant scene where his friends immediately go "Eren hates us now, we need to kill him". What the actual fuck? How could they fall for that act?

>>283509290
>"Eren hates us now, we need to kill him". What the actual fuck? How could they fall for that act?
It's mainly Connie who hates him hard because he's seething over Sasha IIRC Jean voices his opinion that Eren probably has a reason to get estranged.

The whole plot COULD work if the resolution wasn't so fucking retarded. Let's be honest - Isayama wrote himself into a corner with the Chekov's Gun that is the Rumbling. He desperately wanted it to happen no matter what but also chickened out of it. He wrote retarded worldbuilding and setting where it was the "only option.

In a perfect world, AoT would easily go for 200 chapters and post-timeskip would be actual intelligent politicking and plans how to face the wide world.

>>283509411
Mikasa also immediately started crying like a battered wife. S1 Mikasa would have punched him in the face.

>>283509550
Mikasa loses all personality since S2/COTT. She was actually an interesting character in S1 and Trost but that was literally the extent of her depth. Eren literally died and she was able to focus on the mission and pull through.

you cant take anything that happens post timeskip seriously
it's all trash

I knew the writing will be shit when a character with all the answers (Freckles Ymir) literally out of blue decided to not disclose fucking anything and help the enemies lmao

>>283509550
>started crying like a battered wife
She did that when Eren headbutted her too. But yeah she did turn into a huge pussy after S3 which made the whole don't need no man haircut girlboss princess "leaves kids on their deathbed" personality that more nauseating. Mikasa had no personality post-timeskip besides clutching pearls and being a psychopath, but that's most of the Alliance.

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Ultimately, this was the message of the story. The Titans/Eldians were just a mistake and Marley was right for persecuting them. Eren should have never been born and he was an idiot for thinking otherwise.

>>283503367
>what went wrong with AoT
It was made and caused a flood of normalniggers like you to get into anime and flood /a/, now do everyone a favor and kill yourself

>>283509938
this is just the same message of Naruto with respect to the Uchiha genocide though.

>>283508229
Marley was white and Paradis was not attacked for "past crimes" but because they had oil and a magic WMD.

>>283503367
Isayama wanted to shit on Eren and the fans of his series out of spite.

>>283503367
Pretty much everything. Hackayama couldn't draw, couldn't write, fluked his way into a semi-interesting premise but couldn't maintain it for more than nine chapters, and then the sales and anime success went to his head and he thought he could pull off some grand political epic like UC Gundam despite being a retard who could barely handle basic shonen.

>>283503447
>There are hundreds theories why that happened, some blame the director change, other say he was pressured by outside influence to change the controversial "nationalistic" work etc. It's probably a combination of all of these but we will never know the truth.
I don't think it's that confusing. Hackayama is a fucking retard who managed to bumble his way into a pro-genocide plot and then likely got screamed at over the phone to fix it immediately by the higher-ups, since no publisher in their right mind wants to be associated with a story like that.

>>283503503
Based horse

>>283503367
it went to shit after mindless titans became irrelevant

>>283503367
Went to shit after they introduced Marley

>>283503367
Didn't properly follow up on what it promised the audience it would be, changed its tone, focus, and pacing to something completely different
It's like he decided partway through that he wanted to make a completely different manga and retrofitted AoT for it instead of finishing it up and writing something else.

>>283510322
>since no publisher in their right mind wants to be associated with a story like that.
What amazes me is that some higher up realized it literally after 123.
Like, could they not see where it was going or bother to ask?

>>283503795
It was bound to happen even if the ending had been satisfying.
It just happend way faster since it was a really bad one.

>>283511054
wow no shit retard
people are still talking daily about eve 30 years later no shit they won't be talking about it 100 years later

Honestly just the ending maybe some of season 4 if you want to really nit pick but overall the ending. AOT is almost a perfect anime but the problem is it has one of the worse endings in media because it doesn’t make sense. If you’re pro genocide pro Marley pro Eldia pro pacifist it doesn’t even matter. When characters like Armin for example just start acting like schizophrenics when theres 3 chapters left there’s something wrong. Nothing was answered. Characters didn’t get good send offs. For a series that had many twist and turns ironic that the ending is so straightforward. You can honestly tell the author was burned out at the time and just wanted to finish which is fine but fuck man what a waste of 10 years for 3
months of being fucking tired. Should have grew some balls and told his publisher he needed more time like the HxH author

Oh remember when Ymir fell in love with the king who fucking raped her years, made her a slave, killed her family, and forced her to take over empires with children in a series about war crimes? Lel kek

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>>283511242
remember when the real ymir told historia that outside the walls noone would tell her she shouldn't have been born
or when ymir decided her best course of action would be to go away with the people who not only think of her as a subhuman abomination, but also have a strategic incentive to recover her titan

>>283511343
>ymir told historia that outside the walls noone would tell her she shouldn't have been born
she was lying to try to get her to come with her. idk why this plotline mindbreaks people

>>283511445
and her helping bertholdt/reiner is retarded, but ultimately she trusted that eren being the coordinate would be strong enough to protect historia and defeat them. it's a really retarded line of logic though, but ultimately ymir never viewed it as her job to protect historia, she thought eren would do it

>>283510173
>A 100 year plot to get some oil
Okay retard

>>283511445
because it is incredibly wrong to a degree that to think ymir would use such drastic lies to get historia to come with her kind of makes you wonder if she even liked her at all

>>283511759
>100 years
What 100 years you retard? Marley left them alone until they needed oil and the founding titan

>>283511168
The author was never burned out he was telling the story he wanted to tell (terrorist POV until you switch to the good guys in Marley) but he didn't know how to write it because he doesn't understand it

He was just shit at writing and had no ideas outside of big titans

>>283503367
Genocide arc was retarded. Why would you stop near the end? They didn't fear you when you threatened to stomp them, they're gonna fear you less once you lose your powers and have no technology to go along with it.

>>283503367
Absolute dogshit ending that betrayed everything the series stood for, narratively, morally and thematically

>>283504835
It's not because theyre not the main characters
It's because they want to kill the main characters and have been trying to do so the entire story
You're a cuckhold like eren

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>>283504724
Why didn't Eren stomp their families first

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>>283503503
literally absolutely nothing wrong with that even if not outright confirmed

>>283514144
What did the series even stood for? From the very first episode of the last season they started turning the aggressors into dindus. The ending was very predictable.

>>283510739
>instead of finishing it up and writing something else
But then you end up like Aka, fumbling the ending of one manga to rush into your next one.

What went wrong is that there are retards who genuinely believe the ending was fine.

>>283503367
>what went wrong with AoT?
Chapter 1 page 1

What was the point of Historia? Was she supposed to represent Ymir or something falling in love with her past abuser? If that's the case, Isayama really didn't need to spell it out by making both Mikasa and Historia parallels to Ymir's shitty relationship. It's superfluous.

>>283515122
the "thesis" of the series is that the world is cruel yet beautiful, that every human is born free and deserves to life and that these ideals are worth fighting for

but the ending the world was just cruel, endless innocent deaths and all the struggles and sacrificies of our heroes amounted to little more than hell on earth

>>283515836
I feel like her arc was 100% supposed to be about Mikasa at some point but he just changed it to Historia for some reason, leaving Mikasa's whole "princess" thing being a completely meaningless lorebit

>>283515836
historia stopped being a character after she became queen
there is no point

>>283515260
Discipline issue
You take responsibility for what situation you've gotten yourself into and you do your best with it regardless of how annoying it is

>>283516284
You're right, but hacks gonna be hacks.

>>283515836
All AoT arcs were basically Isayama watching some western piece of media and getting inspired by it, once he got bored or found something new, he moved on.

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>>283503367
Nothing. Most people didn't spend years making up headcanons that didn't pan out like you EH schizos did.

>>283503367
Worm + Precognition

Trying to recontextualize the story by making Eren a precog mastermind who sent brainwaves back in time to kill his own mother is fucking retarded.

>krista lenz
>historia
isayama should be punched in the face for these names

>>283503447
Remember when Isayama said he was inspired by Life is Strange in 2016? He was always a faggot lol

>>283516438
>Isayama said he was inspired by Life is Strange in 2016
Bullshit. Provide proof.

>>283516299
You've gotta be like the Spy x Family guy, he didn't really want to write it but needed some success, and as it was getting popular he was annoyed that now he's stuck with this thing he's not really interested in. But he kept at it and figured out how to do something he enjoyed, and now the manga is better than ever and he actually likes it.

>>283516473
Here you go.

http://blog.livedoor.jp/isayamahazime/archives/9324702.html

>>283516365
>with the world being what it is, I dont see how AoT could have ended any differently - 5 stars
this is a hilarious comment because it is undoubtedly true, but that's not a good thing. I consider it a pretty big flaw by the writer to create a world where a genocide plot ruining all your characters turns out to be the best course of action

AoT was never that good. It was like a 7/10 at most

>>283503367
I dropped it like two issues after le nazi mainlanders were introduced. Fighting force of nature titans was cool, fighting directed disasters because of le evil nazis was lame.

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>>283516524
>The adventure game "Life is Strange" was so much fun!
>It's a masterpiece! It's a well-made game, a great movie, and above all, a first-class yuri!
>"Life is Strange" is truly a masterpiece, and every time the protagonist goes back in time she learns that life is a series of irreversible choices.
>It's about unbearable losses and separations in life and whether you can accept them, and in fact the content of this month's issue is blatantly influenced by it.
>Above all, it's yuri! Yuri is the best! Yuri is life! The other one I like is "21 Jump Street" -Isayama
Plebian taste in videogames & movies, AND HE'S A MASSIVE YURIFAG? No wonder the ending was terrible.

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>>283516929
>has Mikasa and Historia end up with random ass male characters instead of each other
The fuck was his problem?

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reminder that he was right about everything

>>283517098
This anon is what happens when you jack off too much and you start thinking that characters who have 0 chemistry should end up together because you saw them in hentai a couple of times.

>>283503503
Based

>>283516596
It didn't ruin any of the characters. /snk/schizos are the only people that believed this shit because they projected their own believes onto the characters, rather than seeing the characters as they actually were. You only have yourselves to blame.

>>283503367
I think it's a modern classic. My gripes are minor. Demon Slayer is probably next.
Maybe I'm just easily entertained.

>>283507075
>Why did they give every titan to a mentally unstable teenager
THE COCKPIT'S TOO SMALL FOR A GROWNUP

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Perfectnnie!

>>283517112
Reminder he got killed by a fucking girl

>>283517161
>Friends
>"Soulmates!"
>Bitter rivals, have literally tried to kill each other multiple times
>"Star crossed lovers!"
>One on screen interaction, no canon connection
>"They're fucking every night!"

>>283503367

You know, the answer to that won´t change no matter how many times this is discussed. It´s a common answer too, something that happens all the time.

People think that bad endings or bad final seasons just happen when, in truth, bad final seasons are just the inevitable result of errors made earlier. Missing information, fucking up character arcs, rushing or stalling plots, stuff like that. For those paying attention noticing stuff like that always foretell the inevitability of fucking up.

SNK was fucked up the moment the basement reveal didn´t live up to the build up of it´s mystery. Basically the story ended there. He reached his house and humanity discovered the truth beyond the wall. Problem is the truth was predictable as fuck and it basically left Eren without purpose. After the time skip he is literally a different character and you are watching a different story. A more dull one.

I always like to compare this to Claymore, which has a similar reveal. Do you know what the MC does after she learns the truth? She ignores it completely and goes about her own personal revenge even harder, because that´s what the story was about. In SNK you basically have one story before the basement and one after the basement and the one after the basement is shit on it´s entirety, not just the ending.

>>283517359
Such is the yuritranny's mind.

>>283517241
I'm not an "/snk/schizo", I avoided those threads because I was behind on the manga. I just paid attention to the story. And yes, I consider Eren, who has been shown for 300 chapters to hate mindless killing, hates people dying for his sake, hates how his mom died, hates this world that makes people submit and kills them for no reason and who would always turn to his friends, especially Armin, in times of need, this same character then does a complete 180 on all these things and everything he stands for, yeah that's a character ruined. Bonus points for all this "development" happening offscreen and then being drip-fed to the audience through retarded flashbacks.
And that's just Eren. Ymir, Historia, Armin, Mikasa, Jean.... nobody's actions make any fucking sense the longer the story goes on.

>>283503367
When Eren became a fag instead of remaining his cute boyish self.

The bad guys started making too much sense.

>>283517309
Should have had them be 16-17 for the training arc and then early 20s for the main story. You can see irl the actual adult characters run circles around the rest in popularity. Not every shonen MC has to be a kid.
And bringing in even more and even younger kids after the timeskip was incredibly annoying. Gabi is like worst traits of S1 Eren dialed up to 11 and you have to suspend disbelief that an advanced military with modern weaponry like Marley would be putting 12-year-olds on the front lines, come the fuck on.

>>283517668
I think if you hate the Marley kids you have issues, but it's fine to dislike them. I find them to be pretty blunt and obvious attempts to make the audience sympathise with the Marley side, but imo this should have been done with more RBA flashbacks. Show us their training, how the Eldians are treated, how child soldiers are bad and brainwashed, etc. all that shit.
Not only would you have characters people actually already care about, but that arc already introduced a million characters and could have done with less stuff to juggle.
>b-b-b-but what about the kids relevance in the plot later
they really dont matter, all their shit is pretty superflous. gabi hanging out with sasha is kind of nice and I might have missed that, but the rest? not a huge loss. the only "main plot" relevance the kids have is falco flying and there were surely other ways to asspull a transport

Always felt like the series' main appeal was its initial atmosphere, and for that I have WIT to thank. Beautiful landscapes that mashed perfectly with a story about freedom. The more Isayama added to the plot, the less I felt confident in it. I think most people only really got hooked because of the Berthold and Reiner reveal anyways.

>>283517805
yeah that much is obvious, you had a strong premise of plucky, ingenious humans trying to fight this overwhelming enemy and a strong set of mysteries to keep the plot going
then the mysteries were revealed and the initial premise got lost along the way

>>283503367
nothing

>>283517766
Reiner's own arc during the Marley part was more than adequate at humanizing the other side of the conflict, there really were just too many unnecessary characters added while characters who were there from the start got sidelined or made irrelevant until the 11th hour when they are awkwardly forced into the spotlight like "to save the world" Connie, and pie face Annie.

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Everytime AOT produced a good character, they left the plot for IRL years and oftentimes didn't get a good conclusion
>Reiner and Bert
>Ymir
>Yelena
>Historia
But all the shitty characters were front and center at all times.

>>283518374
Underrated character design

>>283512038
>Marley left them alone
>Constantly sending Eldians to the island as Titans to terrorise the Paradisians.

>>283503367
AoT is and always was for fags

>>283503367
Everything