Akatsuki Suppression MissionChapter 313: The New Two!!Previous chapter: >>283490865Start: https://desuarchive.org/_/search/boards/a.desu.meta/subject/Daily%20Naruto%20Chapter/filter/text/page/8/Dailyramen is busy cleansing the Senjus. I will be posting until he returns.
This is a sick spread.
>>283516359Sai's art, but colored blue.
>>283516264First Kumo mention in Part 2?
>>283516471That's some really abrupt ass change of scenes.
>>283516165OUR HEROES!
>>283516165https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq1QxLsLNjI
>>283516392>>283516594>stops a hit from a tailed beast with his bare hands >tanks a bijuu bombHow strong is Kakuzu supposed to be compared to the other Akatsuki members?
>>283516264Didn't he say that he would like nothing more than to be killed?
>>283516594Yugitosisters...
>>283516234>some rocksWow! Nobody could break through that!
>>283516208>"Good chase. However..."
>>283516568>>283516594Yet another fight off-paneled. Ay yi yi.
>>283516667Don't worry, she'll live until the biju is extracted
>>283516594Not even Hinata gets to job that spectacularly.Does Kishimoto hate women?
>>283516330You're wrong Kakuzu, he just got a very special train of thought.
>>283516774To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand geometry.
>>283516534>Asuma: Ah shit! She's gonna nag me about wanting strawberries or something.
>>283516803>>283516774Did Yugito lose because she didn't understand the fucking circle?
Hiashi won.
RIP to all the babies that suffered from the hands of NStards
>>283516644On the weaker side, I think.
>>283516359It's a pretty neat design. Wish the tailed beasts were all more relative to each other. Like I don't like how Shukaku is much weaker than the rest.
>>283516837It's impossible to get a blood drop from the beast, right? Did those two have to simply tank the jinchuuriki until she's out of chakra? How can this be?
>>283516294Never noticed how generic Hidan's actual design is. His unhinhed religious circus is funny enough to cover up for that and be memorable
>>283516837Im 90% sure the reason why all of the jinchuriki sans Bee died was because they simply didn't have the battle iq required to beat all of the Akatsuki's gimmicks. As we see here Yugito can create a 2 tails avatar, The Minato one-sot showed Han and Roshi firing Bijuudamas without going into their v2 states, Fuu is stated to be able to use partial transformation like Bee in the databooks and while Utakata has pretty much nothing in the show, his filler arc showed that he was no slouch either.
>>283516264So that's was before Kishi determined most of Kumogakure as black
Good think Kishi offscreened them beating Yugito. Else he would have to justify how in the world they actually did it.
>>283516172>>283516165Can they save this daily?
>>283516970The dude is only 22 and we don't know exactly how long he's been following the Jashin religion.
>>283516359>>283516418Looks cool af>>283516594Abandoning wasted. RIP, you had potential.Although knowing what we know, I don't get why villages even bother with making female jinchuuriki
See ya tomorrow, anons.
Retrospectively, wasting two members of Akatsuki in one arc, to just some small local Leaf fight, seems like such a weird waste
>inbefore Boruto reveals that Jashin was also some Otsutsuki ayy lmao
>>283516172>>283516568>>283516594So let's get the big elephant in the room out of the way - somehow this dude has made contact with some kind of genuine (lesser?) god in the setting; as far as I'm aware, Jashin basically has zero elaboration in any kind of context, if there's any gods like it, how anyone became aware of it's presence, what motives it has besides BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, etc., but let me ask you guys this - I don't know how much of a common opinion this is, but does anyone else feel like Naruto as a setting has a weirdly low amount of outright "paranormal" happenings in it?Like maybe I'm being too arbitrary here, but compared to superhuman abilities (all the beyond-athletic stuff, elemental manipulation, etc) and supernatural stuff (giant talking animals with human-level intelligence), it seems like it's very rare for the story to actually dip into paranormal or otherwise supersitious-type stuff, things like how Gaara's sand defense is attributed to some kind of poltergeist (early on the narrative is that it's coming from Shukaku (forma de human priest, IIRC) but later it's Gaara's mom, ultimately a roughly equivalent exchange) or the shinigami summoned by the Reaper Death Seal, which too seems to be largely beyond the boundaries of what normally happens in the story. It's just kind of interesting to me how Naruto's setting doesn't seem super "mystic", if that makes sense.>>283517075Thanks OP!
>>283516594Considering the importance of both, the tailed beasts and Akatsuki, Kishi is so retarded to off screen their fights
>>283517108>Retrospectively, wasting two members1. It’s perfectly fine to kill them both in one arc. Problem was that they were total chumps in the end.2. There should have been 18 akatsuki members anyway.
>>283516970His voice actors played it up well
>>283516644middling, they are Akatsuki worthy of their names, but not special like those with eyehax.
>>283517111I would believe it.
>>283516970Hidan looks like a filler design somehow
>>283516330nyaaaa
>>283517075Thank you OP.
>>283517136The tailed beasts aren’t important anon. Only Kurama and partialy Bee’s is important. The rest are plot devices at best.
>>283517115We don't even know Jashin is actually a god and Hidan wasn't just experimented on and taught forbidden jutsu because there is apparently no existence of the Jashin religion outside of Hidan and the bad guy from the Mirai novel who only got into it because of hearing about Hidan.
>>283516264I wonder if Kishi featured Yugito here as the only other jinchuuriki until Bee comes around on purpose, since Kumo?
>>283517115>>283517111Inbefore Hidan's thing was a Kama of some kind.
>>283517115It wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that whatever "deities" or "spirits" or "demons" exist in Narutoland are some kind of masses of chakra with certain extra-sensory qualities that may or may not have sentience or will.The Tailed Beasts are basically that anyway. Kurama and Shukaku were referred to as spirits early on, and that could very well be the case for anything that isn't an explicitly organic creature.
>>283517115I feel like that was either a deliberate intention by Kishi or a simple after-effect of his original ideas for the early series getting veto'd by his editors. Like Naruto originally being a kitsune himself, or Zabuza's talking bear companion. Even elements of religion are barely touched on outside of their relation to jutsu, such as Hashirama's giant Buddha golem, despite an afterlife confirmed to exist in the setting.
>>283517160I found it interesting how Hidan's dub VA doesn't really do anime roles outside of Hidan.
Hidan is an Orochimaru experimentMoving on-
>>283516803>jashin>literally just evil godReal original there Kishi.>>283516837You've got to remember, we understand because we live in a world with a cultural context of voodoo, Naruto doesn't have that, so they couldn't get it in time.Imagine a timeline where the death note manga never happened,but an actual death angel dropped one here.
>>283517171If he was a filler design, he'd be drowning in all sorts of useless details. It's hilarious how out of place filler characters tend to look in this series.
>>283517237The Bijuu are just the fragments of an alien seed/tree monster. Most of the mystical stuff are just the result of aliens.
>>283516644I think that's a simple fireball, not a biju bomb, so it wouldn't have that much range and most of all it is a fire jutsu
>>283516568Comedic genius to come back to this.
>>283516644Almost on par with the first Hokage, obviously.But I'm sure he wasn't that strong.
>>283517115The whole Jashin religion gives me the same feeling as the Lord of Light in GOT. Absolutely out of place and makes you think it first it is just some psycho bullshit, except that one god is actually real and apparently exists and does shit and everyone else is like "huh....well, alright, anyway"
>>283517319Hey, the first Hokage together with the second and Oro, while immortal, was capable to draw with Hiruzen.
>>283517023>Rogue ninja from hidden waterfall. Sucks there weren't more of these guys.
>>283517284I think it's the coloring that makes me think so, purple eyes with gray hair in particular, not a scheme Kishi usually goes for
There's nothing we see from Hidan or Kakuza that should've allowed them to beat a tailed beast on their own desu. Fucking three chunnins and a jounin were enough to put them on the back foot for fuck's sake.
>>283517236I wouldn't call it Karma/Kama. His abilities operate more like Shinjutsu (Divine Arts) -- jutsus that are used without handsigns.
>>283516172Have you prayed to Jashin today, anon?
>>283517374Not many from that village on the first place, Kakuzu that Jinchuuriki girl and who else?
>>283517208>there is apparently no existence of the Jashin religion outside of Hidan and the bad guy from the Mirai novel who only got into it because of hearing about Hidan.I'm laughing at the mental image that maybe Jashin was actually just some hallucination of Hidan's, which is why nobody else has heard of it, but somehow it actually fucking works despite that
>>283517382Well obviously she couldn't figure out the Grand Circle Mystery like our protagonists did, it would take a genius to defend against them
>>283517335Kishi probably didn't think much of it besides "Spooky voodoo shit" for one of his villains.
>>283517115I like to think that Hidan made that up to get out of work, the Akatsuki bought it and he collects all that paycheck.
>>283516208You could have used those paper bombs on them...>>283516264You don't have a surname?
>>283516568I wonder if Kakuzu ever joked about Hidan being too heartless.
>>283517335As >>283517208 we don't even have proof that he exists >>283517279Sincerely you don't need to be familiar with voodoo to guess how hidan is, the truth is that his ritual is really strong, as there's no indication of how it work until it's too late
>>283517418This is funny because the Mirai novel actually did have characters assume that Hidan just made that shit up.
>>283517017The elusive Kumo snow bunny...
>>283517136>>283516704he didn't wanna out their powers. I'm fine w it bc the two upcoming flights are mostly only interesting on the merit of not having any clue as to their powers, and this fight would likely reveal both>>283517017Not so much most as most of their elites (C might be the only exception, and his character also makes no fucking sense since you'd expect he'd be A's highest ranked after B? But he gets immediately jobbed into oblivion by Sasuke and never matters again)
>>283516418>>283516439>>283516471>Supposedly slowest of the Akatsuki>Can dodge a bijuu Blast from point Blank rangeKishimoto want me to believe Shikamaru is faster than this guy?
>>283517111Jashin is just a psychotic delusion for a guy who somehow either developed or was born with a unique power
>>283517406It's an ayy lmao you just watch.
>>283517500Karui?
>>283516594It's been already established that jinchurikis can regen limbs and even organs, this loss is completely unbelievable considering how "clean" her corpse or how unscathed the duo is.
>>283517335Well, another god (shibai) does canon exist and is prob gonna be the kaguya of boruto. At least this time they began setting it up in advance
Hidan probably got pranked/scammed out of his house and possessions by some guy coming up to him with some book he wrote and selling him on the glory of lord "Jashin".>"I'm serious, he's real. Here's a scroll of his sacred jutsus that I totally didn't steal from some clan if you don't believe me."
>>283517115Karura being the actual cause of Gaara's Shield of Sand is especially weird because unlike the earlier idea behind Shukaku, who was sealed in a kettle first, Karura 100% died and then became a part of Gaara's defenses, which would make you think that this world would have a lot more haunted ass places and events with how many people have died in horrific and tragic circumstances
>>283517514i think it was stated he was experimented on>>283516927I don't think he's particularly weaker than the others except for kurama
>>283516165Sasori: freak that turned himself into puppets and made his enemies his personal collection Deidara: Psycho terrorist who thinks bombing everyone is art and could only be stopped by deus ex machinaPain: Insane dude that uses the cadaver of his friend as his body and wants to create the ultimate nukeHiddan: Immortal religious fanatic Itachi: killed all his clan, even children and defenseless people, mind raped his brother two times and told him to kill his friend because he thought the third hokage was basedTobi: The leader of them all, did what he did and unleashed WW3 because a 4/10And then we have kakuzu and kisame that are the most monstruous looking guys in the team but somehow they are the most sane ones
>>283517017Yugito, C, 2/3 of the kumo team in Boruto, Samui and her brother are all White.You only think that because the most famous ones are Black.
>>283517527Maybe Yugito just jobbed. She had the two tails and was a woman, in Kishimoto terms she may be on the level of a Genin fresh from the academy.
>Ino mind controls the sound Kunoichi in the forest of death>she subdues her completely, with the very real possibility death>uses on Sakura written exam easy breezy>uses it in the 3rd round prelims, and Sakura somehow shatters it with her willpowerPeople talk about Sakura but Ino got done worse than anyone. There was no harm in letting her beat Sakura there, as it could serve as motivation to beat it next time and give her even more reason to apprentice under Tsunade.
>>283517075>>283517054>>283516628Arigatou, OUR LEADER!
>>283517527This is not established lol. Only Kurama can. The beasts themselves can do so (or maybe only 8 can bc he's an octopus, and even then has permanent disfigurements, as does 3), but that doesn't save one in human form at all (unless you have 9tails hax)
>>283517465No I believe it's real. Hidan is the televangelist. He just didn't do it for the lolis and spread his genes thru concubines, or get the mansions.
>>283517636Sakura can't be mind dominated because she has split personalities lol. Just never gets mentioned again
>>283517514And there is also Samui's brother.
>>283517636See, that would require a woman to win a fight and Kishi wasn't going allow that to happen. He only lets Temari win so she can be HUMBLED by his self-insert she'll end up marrying.
>>283517500>>283517610The reason why is that you're making shit up, retard.
>>283517636Tenten was done worse than both of them, Sakura is a main character so she is under harsher scrutiny
>>283517601Pain is mostly sane other than using Yahiko (even that could be justified in the beginning to keep to appearances). He genuinely needed to use cadavers bc he's permanently disabled from the Hanzo fire jutsu. The 6 paths was essentially just a thing be made work to get around being disabled. He'd have been unrealistically OP if he could fight (given he doesn't even use much jutsu but prior had all natures + can simultaneously use all 6 paths powers) Plus the bomb was just cover for tsukuyomi, which honestly I'm not sure he planned to go thru with (I imagine he wanted to be a benevolent deity after collecting all beasts and killing tobi)
>>283517641It has been established actually, Gaara Heals from all the chidori wounds against Sasuke he got and when he got pinballed by Lee it took him a while to stand up. Even then she was already in bijuu form.You can't just say>Uh, only the bijuu we knew beforehand could do that
>>283517661I don't think Hidan made it up. In the novel, it was really just an assumption. But Jashin being a real god is still dubious unless it's secretly Otsutsuki-related.
>>283517641Sasuke LITERALLY stabs B in the chest once and there's no wound in the next page.
>>283517527I don't think I've ever seen a Jinchuuriki regenerate limbs. Organs seem as far as the Bijuu's power goes for their vessels, but I think even that's limited.
>>283517800Against lee he never uses beast powers, just tanks the blows w armor and substitution. Sasuke cuts him but he remains injured, and then fails to regen in beast state (gets a limb cut off by Gamabunta and doesn't regrow). I'm not debating healing of the beasts themselves, but jinchuriki don't seem innately to heal like Naruto.>>283517829when? I don't remember him really hitting B till the amaterasu but I could be wrong
>>283516568Damn Yugito Nii really fucked this new guy up
>>283517847I mean, kurama also healed Naruto's lung AND ribs, logically, that shouldn't be an issue even though that is really not what Kishimoto wants you to think.
>>283517914It's confirmed Kurama can't regenerate limbs because Naruto literally loses his arm in the final battle of the manga and needs it to be replaced with a Hashirama-cell created arm.
>>283517897
>>283517811Obito doesn't believe in organized religion thinking Naruto is a conman with his Dr. Phil talk therapy and Nagato is already the God with Konan as his angel.
>>283517960Yes, that's what i meant with "that's not what kishi wants you to think".A lung is much more complex to recreate than a hand.
>>283516594Dracula lookin' ass
>>283517970This made me chuckle. Makes it sound like Obito was making a stance.
>>283517897According to Naruto vs Kiba, bijuu chakra doesn't need to be visible for their healing to occur.
>>283517968>>283517960Forgot about this too. I'll take that they can heal internal damage pretty effectively but not limbs. Even then it's possible it's off screened as B using some kind of lightning armor since he is good w lightning, but I accept that it's a leap.Either way, enough internal damage is sufficient to kill any jinchuriki, and it's possible Hidan just mashed up all his organs while inside since it doesn't effect him and wouldn't show without an entry wound. Once he's got you in the circle there's no way to recover since he can just keep hurting himself if you keep moving
>>283517993His thing is about blood too.
>>283518064And this was when Kurama's chakra was sealed by Orochimaru, yet it still leaked out.Or Kishi simply forgot (again).
>>283518064Yes, but Naruto is explicitly said to have healing powers. Every beast has different powers (like certain kekai genkai), and kurama's seem to be more healing, especially when w natural tanks like uzumaki that can survive losing their beast for quite a long time comparatively
>>283516774feet
>>283518161Only Uzumaki like Kushina and Mito were special with their chakra among the clan to have Kurama sealed in them. We don't know how the "normal" ones would fair compared to them.
>>283518161Naruto inherited nothing from his uzumaki genes.
How would Naruto handle a situation where Sasuke raped Sakura?
>>283518161>kurama's seem to be more healingThat is never stated.And kurama regrew a lung with less than a tail worth of chakra.
>>283518387Naruto would talk to Sasuke. Say he would help him fix this. Get through this problem together.
>>283518387That would never happen because Sakura would consent.
>>283518385He was able to make a million shadow clones because of his large chakra pool (stated not to be the fox's).
>>283518424Maybe in Sasuke’s sick mind
>>283518443>stated not to be the fox's[Citation needed]
>>283517527>It's been already established that jinchurikis can regen limbsNaruto permanently lost his arm in VoTE
>>283518387By raping sasuke
If Naruto at ANY point in the story died, would he have been brought back to life by god grandpa?
>>283518447...Sakura would also consent in canon.
>>283517319>Almost on par with the first Hokage, obviously.Kakuzufag moment
>>283518387There is no situation where Sakura would object, so it would just be regular sex.
>>283518387A better and more realistic question is what would Naruto do if Sakura raped Sasuke?
>>283516568Not notice the absurd destruction to the area? wow
>>283518514Yes, i acknowledged that in later posts.
>>283517285>Most of the mystical stuff are just the result of aliensWhy did Kishimoto have to ruin the series with this shit?
>>283517560>another god (shibai) does canon existBoruto isn't canon.
>>283518646As long as Kishimoto keeps being bffs with Ikemoto, it may as well be.
>>283518622Kishi is a sci-fi nerd at heart.
>>283517560Shibai is a god, but he was originally an alien; he just ascended to a higher plane.>>283518646Boruto is canon. Always will be.
>>283517636Keep crying pig
>>283518385The rasengan , considering both minato and kushina could do it and the chakra chains.
>>283516165kill yourself narutard
>>283518677Kishimoto and Ikemoto being friends always makes the whole cope about Boruto being wiped away from the series silly. Kishimoto isn't going to disrespect his friend by deleting his work.
>>283518387"SASUKEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" end quote.
>>283516534WHAT WAS ASUMA GOING TO DISCUSS KISHI wait is it the pregnancy?
>>283518540clearly sarcasm every real Kakuzu fan knows that he got his forbidden Jutsu after the Hashirama fight and would of fought and lost as an otherwise normal Jounin. Its the same level of carelessness Kishimoto had when he had Sasori said he beat a country with his 100 puppets.
>>283516594If only kishi designed yugito to wear sleeveless... We were so close to greatness.
>>283518752Asuma wanted to discuss how could he make his own death look like an "accident" to dodge being a father and child support without looking like a deadbeat coward.Luckily, Jashin's finest appeared and solved it for him.
>>283517685>she has split personalitiesIt was literally just manifestation inner true feelings for a joke. That's it.
>>283518700>Boruto is c-Stopped reading there.
>>283516359>>283516392>>283516418>>283516439>>283516471How the fuck did they get out of this? How did Hidan even manage to get close enough to wound herif he can get blown into pieces by paper bombs?
>>283518770>Its the same level of carelessness Kishimoto had when he had Sasori said he beat a country with his 100 puppets.It's not carelessness. Kakuzu surviving a fight against Hashirama doesn't mean Hashirama went all out or anywhere close to it.
>>283518781I think her cloud pants are cute but looks a little like Akatsuki robe
>>283518886I'm talking about habits in Kishimotos writing that have been pointed of a number of times. He has character name drop important events and people only to never elaborate, drop, or change an idea drastically later on.
>>283518716>rasenganIs Konohamaru an Uzumaki?
>>283518886This. It's more of a case that Hashirama went easy on him and let him live rather than Kakuzu being strong enough to go toe to toe with him.
Can anyone tell me why Asuma was being such a deadbeat in the first place? Their relationship was an open secret he was terrible at hiding it if that was his goal.
>>283519003No one but powerscalers try to argue otherwise
>>283516885Why is it people who read battle shounen can't tell which character the Love Interest is? It's pretty obvious. It's the character who exists just to be the Love Interest. I didn't think it was up for debate, but every series has this swarm of shippers who apparently can't understand a children's story.
>>283519025No need to overtly flaunt it when you're fucking the second hottest woman in Konoha
>>283519108Who's the first?
>>283517115Akatsuki recruitment OVA mentions Jashin cult "the Hidan" meaning he is the leader of its cult
>>283516704This is pretty normal for shounen that don't want to immediately show off the villain's powers
Does Kishimoto still care about Naruto?
Now that's a trophy wife I tell you hwat
>>283519153This hot piece of ass of course
>>283519175
What I like most about thus chapter is no one had a flashback
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>>283519153Sakur->>283519175Beat me to it.
>>283516359Why are the eyes different colors
>>283519560Because it's a cat.
>>283517115They also have a literal heaven reserved for ninjas, where the people who get edo tensei-ed come from.
>it’s just a heckin circleNo other jutsu at this point has this sort of ritual at all. Hidan doesn’t use hand signs and he is a bit tricky with his scythe, the people pointing out why most ninjas aren’t noticing the circle fail to consider how this sort of thing is uncommon to the settings power structure. It’s not something you can fathom while you’re in an immediate short battle where his blade can be swung from most directions. He also can keep up with Kakashi in taijutsu so he isn’t a complete pushover. Hidan doesn’t have a destructive jutsu that can level the earth but he can kill anyone under the right circumstances.
>>283518385He inherited above average chakra pool an life force.
>>283519269Sure is
>>283517601>the most monstruous looking guys in the teamKisame, Zetsu and Orochimaru
>>283519740Above average chakra sure, life force?He would've died without Sakura manually beating his heart, him being durable is just protagonism and will, no different than Neji tanking multiple holes in his torso.
>>283517601>Rin>4/10You're gay.
>>283519668>also have a literal heaven reserved for ninjasSo what's the point of infinite Tsukuyomi then? And also crying about losing someone, you all going to meet in ninja heaven at the end anyway.
>>283519882Uchiha hands typed this post.
>>283517017Kumo is a stand-in for Murica, which is why you see blonde and blacks.
>>283519719Shut up, Shikamaru.
>>283517027I wanna kiss so bad
>>283516264I like their dynamic and their designs. We are so back
>>283516264What's it been, ten pages since he said he'd like nothing more than to be killed?>>283516294Is there a term for this kind of roundabout monologue? I see it everywhere in japanese shit, but it doesn't seem to be a translation issue. It's some kind of character trait.>>283516568Nah it's ok Kishi I wasn't really interested in seeing what a tailed beast twice as powerful as shukaku can do.
Is Rin truly the most mid girl in this series? Even most filler girls are better looking than Obeta’s oneitis
It really feels like Kishi's editors told him to stop fucking around with how shit is actually happening in a timely manner compared to last arc.
>>283517794>he's permanently disabled from the Hanzo fire jutsuWe saw that wasn't true after he was reanimated
>>283519968Sakura...
>>283516534>....
>>283518387
>>283519881
>>283516534Damn, Kurenai's hot. I can't wait for her to do something
>>283518387He would hyperventilate and cry over the fact it wasn't him
>>283516852I think I actually like the spread better in B&W. Wasted tailed beast sadly.
>>283520083Naruto is straight.
>>283519571That explains nothing
>>283516534>remember these nobodies from 200 chapters ago, they're secret lovers and are joining the main cast now!name a bigger Death Flag
>>283519882She's the most average looking chick.
>>283520176As straight as a circle.
>>283520208Not him, but look up heterochromia. >>283520224Nah bro. They're gonna come in clutch against the Akatsuki. Remember them fighting off Itachi and Kisame? They're gonna STOMP these weirdos no prob.
So did Asuma and Kurenai never get formally married for some reason?
>>283517993>this shit ain't nothing to me man
>>283520176He's Sasukesexual
>>283520268Marriage in Japan is very weird. It's really common to register the marriage before any ceremony. I think Kurenai has a ring on when Asuma gets jobbed by his negative IQ team.
>>283520261>Not him, but look up heterochromiaI'm aware of that. It's not unique to just cats
>>283520261Never forget that Kurenai's most prolifuc character moment aside from being pregnant while her boyfriend fucking died is her attempting to use genjutsu against Itachi fucking Uchiha.
>>283517732Kumo is America. It has blacks, whites, and American Indians like the Gold-Silver brothers.
>>283520351Prolific*The booze is starting to kick in.
>>283520356I wish I could say that we don't have that many noggers, but I'm from Central Texas where we do, in fact, have that many. Kumo seems to expect better leadership than we do though. So they've got that going for them I guess.
>>283516837WHAT DOES IT MEEEEEEEEEEEEEAN?!
>>283517189>half of kurama is stronger than all of the other tailed beasts combinedLiterally why did kishimoto do this?
How would people procreate in infinite taukuyomi if they'd all be locked in their own little fantasy world? Did Madara want the human race to die out? Or was he just retarded?
>>283520092That's zetsu assuming stuff, his words don't hold more value than Hagoromo's.
>>283520351That's her only skill.What was she supposed to do?Sharingan gives taijutsu precog and her ninjutsu is probably shit.
>>283520440If he can't have his waifu(Hashirama) why should anyone else get theirs?
>>283520440>How would people procreate in infinite taukuyomi if they'd all be locked in their own little fantasy world? Did Madara want the human race to die out? Or was he just retarded?Clearly he was retarded since it was all a big trap.
>>283520444>manga tells you the clan has high life-force>another character says nart will cling to life for a bit>we see it he does since he doesn't die instantly like gaara did after extraction>don't believe your eyes broCope harder.
>>283520440>Did Madara want the human race to die out?Doubt it. He probably just assumed they wouldn't die because of tree magic or something.
>>283520268>So did Asuma and Kurenai never get formally married for some reason?She is shown wearing a ring later.
>>283520440Also what was Madara planning to do after? It's not like he can enter the tsukyomi(even after getting revived).
>>283520440>Did Madara want the human race to die out?Seems that way
>>283520440I don't think he was aware that people plugged into the Tree Matrix eventually turn into Zetsu. he probably assumed they were kept in a form of stasis forever.
>>283520514Naruto had to have his heart manually pumped by Sakura, unless you have proof that regular people having their bijuu extracted die INSTANTLY then there's no argument here.
So why was Madara actually doing the whole infinite Tsukuyomi thing? I just don't get get it.
>>283520373Especially because prolific means "Producing a lot of work." You might've meant "prominent" or "iconic."
>>283520680Gaara died pretty quick.
>>283520724he wanted to create the 'perfect society' he and Hashirama had dreamt about. Madara had become disillusioned by the failures of Konoha to truly bring an end to war and suffering, so he decided the only way to end them once and for all was to put everyone into a genjutsu dream where they could always have whatever they wanted.
>>283520680>unless you have proof that regular people having their bijuu extracted die INSTANTLYGaara.
>>283520724Because he hated war and thought keeping everyone asleep in a big tree was the better alternative. But as mentioned before he somehow didn't know about the pure land which made his whole plan completely stupid and pointless.
>>283520290>I'm smoking that kekkei genkai kusagakure bubbakush>reach for my neck, you'll get turned into an example>I don't know who I am anymore, I got too much money!
Too bad the daily didn’t start 1 month earlier, Hidan/Kakuzu would've been great for October
>>283520896I felt that way about something else I saw today but cant remember whatMaybe it actually was this chapter I'm tired
>>283520724I like that Itachi uses Tsukiyomi to dish out punishment. Sasuke being weak? 3 days of reliving the massacre in crisp HD, blue ray, and commentary from the parents. Kakashi fails to make him stronger? 3 days of good old fashioned police brutality. Madara has no imagination which is why he needs Obito.
>>283521028>Obito, I need you to be the vessel for my fuckass plan because I can't rotate a chakra fruit in my head
>>283516165In the Boruto verse You know I know Everyone Knows.The entire village might also know>this mother fucker is plapping that maybe 4 or 3 days a week in his office and in her medical office.
>>283520440>Or was he just retarded?yes
>>283520896We probably could've had it if the site wasn't hacked in April and down for a week.
>>283516418>Even the self admitted weakest Akatsuki member can handle Tailed Beast’s without much much issuePowercreep is coming in hotter than ever before.
>>283521111You cant really blame her when sasuke doesn't even go back home in months, if anything sasuke is probably a closet homosexual faggot.
>>283520896Too bad it started
Boruto won
>>283521111>a woman needs to satisfy her needs >husband is mia for months in.
>>283521111I want to know what the fuck would happen if by accident naruto suddenly, got sakura pregnant and now sarada and Boruto have a pink haired sibling.How would this initially impact the entire villages view and their relationships politically and socially.Would Naruto have to pay child support and alimony by the book in villages court system ???? This would be really interesting.
>>283521028>3 days of reliving the massacre in crisp HD, blue ray, and commentary from the parentsHow did Itachi do shit like this to him and not expect him to turn into a schizo?
>>283521111Why would Naruto downgrade?
>>283519882she's 4/10 but I agree she's prime fuck meat
>>283521446She jumped in to protect him and confessed her love and he went back to ignoring her existence after the fight ended...
>>283516970I think his design is minimalist on purpose to highlight the fact that he's the weakest Akatsuki member by making him less visually impressive.And to make room for the skeleton transformation, which is when he shows why he's still dangerous despite being the weakest statswise.
>>283521446Why not fuck two of the hottest girls in the village, while hes at it fuck ino as well.
Do shipfags just lose all interred when only male characters are onscreen?
>>283521516Naruto was still a fag who paid guys to dress up like sauske and pound his ass behind the ramen stand at the time so he couldn't in good conscience accept hinata's confession. Only a few weeks before The Last movie was hiashi able to lure nacho into his gay conversion compound to ensure he had the strongest grandkids.
>>283521679I really didn't need to read this
>>283517208According to the databook, this isn't actually too far off.It's not just Jashin worship alone that made him immortal, but forbidden jutsu rituals. He's also the first success, which is why there aren't immortal Jashin worshippers running around everywhere.
>>283520248But enough about Sakura.
>>283521679You can not convince me not to believe that this manga series is closer to being a yaoi then at is about real friendship and brotherhood.This anime/manga is a gay story about an edgy scruby emo kid and a redneck trailer trash blonde.It should be remade with having sasuke be a female character.
>>283521630>Why not fuck two of the hottest girls in the villageBut you said Sakura not Ino.
>>283521446Reminder that not 1 character in universe finds Hinata attractive. Not 1 guy swoons for her, but Sakura had multiple characters after her. Naruto quite literally settled for her.
>>283521746But who did the ritual? Was it himself? Or some group? In which case what group is it? Where is it located? Are they still trying to make more immortals? Honestly this would have worked better if it was a more well known cult.
>>283521679>>283521811Take your fag fantasies somewhere else.
>>283521679Straighter than the actual story
>>283521387The child would probably be kept a secret or get disguised and sent to a foster home never to learn the truth.
>>283521867>Reminder that not 1 character in universe finds Hinata attractiveNaruto impregnated her twice.
>>283521746>ideal partner>horse and rider
>>283521869The Mirai novel/episodes/manga had the Hidan fanboy try to perform a ritual by sacrificing people in order to gain immortality, but we don't know if that would've worked because he didn't succeed. But according to him, he read texts that instructed him.
>>283521951I don't think you understand what "settling" means
>>283521819I want to trace my tongue on those abdominal highlights
>>283521819Sai is way too gay for this
>>283521811I don't think kishi meant for their bond to look gay. Despite his clear retardation on some level he probably realized how underdeveloped and half baked naruto and sauske's relationship was. So he wrote naruto to react very emotionally and irrationally whenever sauske is mentioned or physically present to trick the dumbass audience into thinking that they're friendship is actually meaningful. But because naruto becomes so irrational and emotional over a brain damaged edgelord he doesn't know very well that he comes off like a homo who wanted the BUC all to himself.
>>283521867Hinata is 'Hollywood Ugly'. a girl with incredible genetics who hides it behind frumpy clothes, bland haircut, and bad posture.
>>283522019Doesn't change the fact only Raikage took an active interest in her lol
99% of Naruto girls are canonically ugly due to only have 1 or genuinely no men interested in them, which makes Kishi insanely based beyond belief
>>283521867Hinata literally looks plain as fuck. The only distinctive feature she has is her white eyes which would look uncanny in real life. Sakura resembles something like a pop idol with the pink hair and green eyes -- her bright features in general.
>>283521985You're coping hard pinkshitter.
>>283522013so, you're saying Naruto is BUCbroken?
>>283522060I do not care about Sakura. Just spitting facts. Stop projecting.
>>283522058this is unironically how shipnigger logic works btwSamui, Tenten, Anko, Karin, etc. all ugly cause nobody likes them
>>283521111Sasuke still wouldn’t give a shit.
>>283522074Karin isn't all that attractive desu. And Tenten looks very average, like a background character.
>>283521811Female Sasuke would just be an edgy Rukia from Bleach. Even having a stoic big brother they idolize and everything.
>>283522092Tenten's appeal is her personality. she's the ninja equivalent of a gun nut
>>283522074Anko is the only attractive one until Kishi ruined her
>>283522118Why was Kubo so much better at writing women?
>>283522071>I do not care about SakuraYou clearly do.
What I found funny about the Konoha Girls joke in the SRA is that it proves that waifutards are just straight up fucking lying, they can supposedly fight these waifu wars for eternity but when people are clowning on them talking about how base Jirobo would turn them into a red smear on the ground in a 4v1 fight suddenly they've completely vanished into the windWhat's even the damn point of being a waifufag if they're just interchangeable warm bodies?
>>283522147No woman spoiled a movie he was going to watch when he was getting his hair cut like Kishi.
>>283522092> looks very average, like a background character.Excuse me ???
>AIslop iphonetoddlerthe horror
>>283522147
>>283522158Waifufags fight over which girl is the prettiest and who deserves a man more, not how strong they are since they know they'd get flattened by basically every male character in this series.
>>283521387Wouldnt the kid be a redhead because of kushina.
>>283522152Because I noticed characters liked her in the series? You're schizo lol
>>283522201Nta, but Kubo IS more willing to have female characters win fights compared to Kishi who seems like he has to be strong-armed to do that. Although, the thing I don't like about Kubo is that he actively refuses to kill female characters, even the villain ones, even when it clearly looks like they died. That's waifufag behavior. Kishi at least gets points for not having a bias and can kill female characters casually.
>>283522201Name 1 female character in Naruto that's better written than any of the ones in Bleach
>>283522232Because Hinata minbroke you so hard.
>>283522283Lol. You're retarded.
>>283522261>>283522276Notice how none of these anons can name even 1 well written female character in bleach.
I mean Rukia and Orihime are just Sakura/Hinata but better
>>283522299
>>283522305I genuinely don't consider any character in Bleach well-written. Naruto has its flaws, but I find myself caring about the characters in it more than Bleach. Probably because Naruto characters feel more like people while Bleach characters feel way too archetype-ish for my liking.
>>283522305>Yoruichi >Rukia >Nel>Misaka>Unohana >Senjumaru>RangikuJust on the top of my head. Faggot.
>>283522313
>>283522333?
>>283521387>Naruto got sakura pregnant and now sarada and Boruto have a pink haired sibling.Boruto would change his view on sarada and go after sumire
>>283517115There's no Jashin. It's completely made up nonsense. Hidan is just performing some kinjutsu that may or may not be a unique kekkei genkai and giving it a religious attribution.
>>283522361>YoruichiDoes nothing but job and look hot>RukiaDoes nothing but job>Nel>MisakaLmao>UnohanaDid nothing 99.9% of the series, then jobbed to Zaraki to give him a powerup>SenjumaruLmao. Only thing she did was job.>RangikuShe is literally just walking tits obsessed with Gin.
>>283522366>Is that you John Wayne? is this me?
when people here are calling Sakura the most realistic female character of all time because of how astronomically terrible the writing around her is (and quite frankly the female characters around her aren't much better) I struggle to imagine any story whose female characters are supposedly even more dislikable
>>283522409>no rebuttal Here's the low effort (You) you're clearly thirsty for
>>283522454>no rebuttalTalking about yourself I see.
>>283521746>>283522390It was already posted here
>>283522313You might be on to something, both those characters felt way more important to their series than our 2 girls. Rukia had a lot of screen presence in the early arcs
>>283522470It's obvious you're not arguing in good faith, I'm not gonna waste my time. You lost (:
>>283522446she's the living embodiment of that famous line from As Good As It Gets>how do you write such realistic and believable women?>first I think of a man, then I take away all sense of reason and responsibility
>>283522390>There's no Jashin. It's completely made up nonsense. Hidan is just performing some kinjutsu that may or may not be a unique kekkei genkai and giving it a religious attribution.
>>283522509>It's obvious you're not arguing in good faithMassive projection.
>>283522261>but Kubo IS more willing to have female characters win fightsRukia is the only female character in the series who has won multiple fights. Granted it's more than Naruto has but the rest of the female cast in bleach have a pretty poor showing.
I love Naruto
>>283522531You already lost buddy. No need to continue feeding me.
>>283522516But if you say "[insert other shonen] has better/cooler/etc. female characters" you guys immediately go into tribalist doublethink mode because you feel like your brand is being attacked, consistency be damned
>>283522539Oh it's the "you lost" fag. Makes sense.
>>283520789We literally don't see if he died Instantly.For all we know he could be fucked up until his heart gave out.
>>283522556I don't. believe it or not, the Naruto fanbase is not one person
>>283520765Naruto was also going to die quickly if not for Sakura.
>>283522532Rangiku defeated Izuru, Yoruichi styled on Byukuya and Soi Fon after being indisposed for a century, Nel toyed with Nnitora for years before being blindsided, Harribel was taking on multiple captains, Misaka took out White, Rukia was pretty useless until the end, but did take out Aaroniero. Nanao had her spanking paddle. Most the females have a few good showings.
>>283522569you lost u gay if you respond again
>>283520435Closest Bijuu to the Juubi.
>>283522694Still stupid writing
>>283522649NTA so I'm not losing shit. Kill yourself.
>>283522590They finished extraction right before Naruto and co. got to the hideout entrance and as soon as they open it Deidara tells them Gaara is dead. Stop coping.
what kinda clan is Yuhi anywaywhy doesn’t she become Kurenai Sarutobi (unless that’s a thing in Boruto)
>>283522712Lol. U gay
>>283522722It's vague. I'm pretty sure it was never implied that Asuma and Kurenai were married, but she did receive his family name and so did their daughter.
>>283522716Naruto would have died pretty quickly without Sakura's intervention
>there's anons ITT who actually believe Naruto girls are better than any other females from other seriesLol
>>283522778Naruto girls are prettier and more iconic despite all being useless beyond babymaking.
>>283522763If you say so. Still didn't die instantly like Gaara did.
>>283522792>Naruto girls are prettier Mostly>and more iconicEh, not really. Tsunade is probably the only iconic one
>>283516165>thread theme very much later https://youtu.be/BTRNCgcNBF4>>283516172>oh GOD here we go>>283516264>>283517017KEK true but they always had snow bunnies>>283516359jobbers are always cool (cause they are too hard to draw so they get 1shot)>>283516568KEK wtf is this cutaway, thats awesome kishi. Does anyone agree that this feels like Kisame+Orochimaru/deidara in terms of dynamic? very fun duoalso with the rituals and rings and international success... is this kishi inserting Freemasonry/Satanic themes in Naruto?good chappy>>283517115great post
>>283522855>thread themeHuh?
>>283522629Based Bleach bro
>>283522870wrong link...( ͡° Ê–̀¯ ͡°) !!SUBSTITUTION JUTSUhttps://youtu.be/1-K4c-ueWuc it's hidans theme
>>283522629>Harribel was taking on multiple captainsOnly captain she took on was icefag who she jobbed too and had to get baited out by a guy.>Rukia was pretty useless until the endShe was still useless in the end without Byakuya having to bait her out.
>>283523210Lisa was captain class. Rukia still won in the end.
>>283522158>Konoha GirlsI miss it ngl. The SRA was probably the best these threads have been so far.
>>283523454Low bar
>>283523454One day I’ll finally get off my lazy ass and make a collage of all the Konoha girls mentions in that arc
>>283523557Why?
>>283523557Remind me to kneel if you ever do. I'm giggling over this shit.
>>283521400>Trauma builds character
Thanks again OP
>>283523658No problem
akatsuki really was under utilized
>>283522516>first I think of a man, then I take away all sense of reason and responsibilitySo a 4channer?
>>283523694The group as a whole or some of the individual members?
>>283521679Sounds gay
>>283521679Sounds heterosexual
>>283517636
>>283523962Ino should have won this fight but Kishi clearly had no where to take her after this.
>>283518178Defeet
Dead thread. Boring thread. Bleach girls won.
>>283524383Based. Looks way more aesthetically pleasing.
>>283523988This. It was rigged. Hiruzen will burn.
>>283522351Nta but based.>>283522509>>283522531Don't worry, you both aren't arguing in good faith.
>>283522629>Nel toyed with Nnitora for years before being blindsidedI'm not sure you can call Nel randomly depowering the moment before defeating her opponent and having to be bailed out a good moment. Same for Harribel, who effectively only fought Hitsugaya, and is always the most mocked out of the top 4 espada, Misaki obviously, whose entire story is being saved by a guy and is almost nonexistant beside being a wife/mother. It's true it's still got more good moments than Naruto for females.
>>283523454I miss Kidomaru.
>>283520440Why would Madara care about propogation of human race? All humans managed to achieve and create were pain and suffering according to him. He wanted to give people who already lived the happiest lives they could dream of. Considering the regular tsukiyomi is capable of stretching a single second into three days. The people under perfect Tsukiyomi would've been able to live out numerous lifetimes in their perfect dreams>>283520724Despite being a battle crazed psycho, he was deeply loving and compassionate. He hated seeing the suffering and pain people had to go through. One's happiness is bought with another's despair according to him. The only way out of this cycle was the eternal tsukiyomi.
>>283520795Pure land is a fucking meme. It's just state of nonexstance. None of the people who were brought back knew anything about it. His plan made plenty of sense even if pure land exists anyway because it alleviates suffering and pain experienced before it's reached.
>>283523962Isn't Ino dominating this?
>>283523719most anons are spiritually histrionic BPDemon females, yes
>>283524383Me on the right.
>>283525344>he was deeply loving and compassionateDoubt.He wanted to control everyone and impose his idea of heaven, no matter how many people had to die for that, no matter if literally everyone told him they didn't want that, he never starts considering other people matter too, he just wants to control everything.
>>283525533He clearly didn't want to control anyone. There's no value in being the king of a garden. He already had all the power in the world to live his life as he wanted. But his concerns lied somewhere else. Of course he had to impose his decision because he believed it to be, and arguably it is, the only way to achieve true peace. Eternal tsukiyomi isn't a type of deal you can opt out of. So either everyone goes or nobody does. So assuming there are people who would want that the ones turning the plan down would be in turn control obsessive freaks imposing their will on others as well then? The issue is that there's no logical counter argument against a life of perfect illusion. People obsessed with realz have no ground to stand on since they have no proof that they are not already living the life inside of a dream. If there's an option to upgrade and make experience objectively better for everyone and you turn it down then you are the self-serving evil.
>>283518841Kishi is a shit writer.>>283517527Remember she also was in Akatsukis lair for 3 days wherenone of the Akatsuki wereable to move, while they were sealing the 3 tails.>>283517012I'd feel insulted at the notion that an experienced jonin wouldn't be able to figure out a way to incapacitate an opponent withouth killing them. If this fight was not offscreened there would be no plausible way of actually showing it.
>>283525365Obito went to the Pure Land, though.
>>283525937We don't know that. And we don't know what it even means. It could be that right after death there's some period of time when the 'soul' still lingers and can 'act' while preserving its identity for a short period of time if its will is strong enough, after which it dissipates.Realistically there must be some sort of place that stores souls or information about them for edo tensei to work, but people who come back from that place never have any recollection of it. So who the fuck what being there even means
>>283525990>but people who come back from that place never have any recollection of it.Kishi just did that because it would be awkward to have characters talking about just chilling in the afterlife and all knowing each other because they went to same place. That completely distracts from the story.
>>283525675>He clearly didn't want to control anyone. There's no value in being the king of a garden. He already had all the power in the world to live his life as he wanted. But his concerns lied somewhere else.>Of course he had to impose his decisionThis is an oxymoron, wishing to impose your ideal on everyone, when they explicitely don't want that, is just wanting to control them.He would rule in an empty garden, basking in the satisfaction he had the chance to control everyone and impose on the lesser people unworthy of an opinion his own.>because he believed it to be, and arguably it is, the only way to achieve true peaceNo, it isn't, killing everyone would have the same identical effect, as long as you accept the lack of interactions, both positive and negative, as peace.>Eternal tsukiyomi isn't a type of deal you can opt out of. So either everyone goes or nobody doesHe literally showed Obito he could already do it, and needed the rinnesharingan to apply it to everyone, he didn't have to enforce it on people, he simply wanted to.>assuming there are people who would want that the ones turning the plan down would be in turn control obsessive freaks imposing their will on others as well thenThe only ones shown to want it were him and Madara, and they could easily put themselves in a genjutsu>The issue is that there's no logical counter argument against a life of perfect illusion.I agree with this, and would immediately sign up if it was possible, but imposing it on those who don't want it, who want to stay with the people they consider their real friends, is evil.>If there's an option to upgrade and make experience objectively better for everyone and you turn it down then you are the self-serving evil.It wouldn't be better, it would be happier, but in their moral standards, which are just as valid as mine, if not more, this isn't the same thing.
>>283517382The tearing down ofthe world in this arc is unforgivable. Sure there were some nonsensical things in part 1 and Deidara just flying into suna unopposed was bad, but none of it is as extreme as this arc. Not just 1, but 2 experienced fighters job to the Akatsuki duo offscreen without leaving any impact (if we take the manga literally they didnt even damage their clothes), on of which should by all means be one of the strongest ninja in the world, being a fully trained, jonin level jinchuriki in prime age. Then after that both members of said Akatsuki due are also turned into complete jobbers to Shikamaru and Naruto
>>283526009>wishing to impose your ideal on everyone, when they explicitely don't want that, is just wanting to control them.If that is true. Then everybody wants to control everybody as far as large scale political initiatives are concerned. In that case any accusation of wanting control becomes mute.>No, it isn'tAnd why is that? True peace is complete absence of conflict. And yes death is a true peace in a way.>He literally showed Obito he could already do itWhat put one person in a genjutsu? Well yes. But his goal was true peace. And true peace requires a different scale>The only ones shown to want it were him and Madara, and they could easily put themselves in a genjutsuMadara didn't care about his own happiness? All he ever enjoyed was a good battle and by ceasing all conflict in the world he purposefully would rob himself of the thing he cared for the most. Both Obito and Madara more than anything desired to cease human suffering. They could become blind to it by putting themselves in the genjutsu, but it would be selfish and would not solve the issue they were trying to solve. The only reason why we didn't see anybody joining their cause is that the narrative could not provide a counter argument against it. Realistically there are myriads of people who lost their loved ones or live in a state of overwhelming suffering who would be more than glad to do so.>but imposing it on those who don't want it, who want to stay with the people they consider their real friends, is evil.Why? Is it evil to give a child medicine even if it tastes bad? From Madara's perspective the people had nothing to loose and had they been forced to join they would soon realize that to be the case. Freedom of will is a meme anyway>It wouldn't be better, it would be happierSo what's the difference? Why should their morals that are not based on anything concrete be placed above the suffering of others? They literally have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
>>283526008The point is that this shit is left vague for a reason. And the reason mainly is that Kishimoto has no fucking idea what happens there and how the place functions himself. Regardless of whether the place is real or pleasant, it doesn't detract from Madara's plan
>>283516568Were these Akazuki rings ever actually relevant?
>>283526276No.Akatsuki as an org kinda stops being relevant after this arc.
>>283526174>If that is true. Then everybody wants to control everybody as far as large scale political initiatives are concerned.Theoretically the idea is letting representatives of the society decide, rather than someone simply enforcing their wishes, sadly this rarely happens.>And why is that? True peace is complete absence of conflict. And yes death is a true peace in a way.You said "it's the only way", that's false, it would be enough to exterminate humanity to reach true peace by that definition>What put one person in a genjutsu? Well yes. But his goal was true peace. And true peace requires a different scaleEnforcing his ideal of peace on everyone, regardless of their desires is wanting to control them, Madara just wanted to feed his ego.>Madara didn't care about his own happiness? All he ever enjoyed was a good battle and by ceasing all conflict in the world he purposefully would rob himself of the thing he cared for the most. Both Obito and Madara more than anything desired to cease human suffering. Yes, that's my point, they didn't want happiness, they wanted to force their twisted mentalities on others (more Obito than Madara because Obito is slightly less of a plot device than Madara so he has actual elaboration of his mindset)>The only reason why we didn't see anybody joining their cause is that the narrative could not provide a counter argument against it. Realistically there are myriads of people who lost their loved ones or live in a state of overwhelming suffering who would be more than glad to do soAgree on this>Why? Is it evil to give a child medicine even if it tastes bad?That's the point, Madara feels superior to everyone else, and never in his life considered actually listening to others, wich is against the message of community. Other people aren't children and have the right to choose how to live.1/2
>>283522409>characters are well-written when they win fightsBrainlets are you is what's wrong with the shounen genre.>>283524227While I have many issues with Bleach, it's undeniable it simply has better written female character. And sexier too. Even someone like Tatsuki is more interesting than Tenten, despite the fact that she got sidelined because no powers. At least gave enough of a shit about her to not turn her into a joke.
>>283526174>>283526908(me)>So what's the difference? Why should their morals that are not based on anything concrete be placed above the suffering of others?If Madara wanted to put in the genjutsu world only those who agreed to it and people opposed him I would agree with him, the problem is that he wants to force everyone.Also a thing you ignore is the importance of the actions people take, beyond their moral grandstanding, Madara manipulated people to kill children, exterminate his own clan, betrayed his apprentice, exterminated those who tried to oppose him and absolutely reveled in these things, bragging about them. Obviously people can make choices for the "greater good" but it's still telling on how he feels about others.
>>283522313Truthnuke
>>283526958Never watched Bleach, but can you explain for one of those characters, why they're well written?
>>283527043They're sexier, which makes you care about them more. They're not actually all that well written, but at least most of them have huge gazongas.
>>283516165Every mental illness in each character.
>>283527077Orochimaru is a pedophile faggot
>>283527043Sure, I'd pick Orihime, since she's the heroine but she's more than just the romantic lead or eye candy. While at first she's just a happy-go-lucky ditz until Arrancar arc her character arc revolves around overcoming her insecurities and learning where is her place among the supernatural cast. She wants to be a fighter even though she's not suited for an offensive role as Hachigen told her. She's written as unrealistically kind and empathetic (with some caveats) and that character trait changes others like Ulquiorra or Riruka; she pretty much embodies the heart theme of Bleach. She has friendships and important interactions with other characters besides her crush like Tatsuki, Uryu, Rukia, Ulquiorra, Riruka. And her payoff to her character arc is when she finally can fight alongside Ichigo against Yhwach, who accepts to rely on her when he previously told her to stay back so he can protect her; she is the one who protects him instead.She brings a humane side to the story involving fighting and death and while I don't think she was perfectly written she's miles better than Hinata whom Kishimoto treated like trash.
>>283526908>Theoretically the idea is letting representatives of the society decideWhy is it any better? It's still forcing will of people on others even in so far as to choose such a political system. Why do you value choice to begin with? Why potential of having a choice is imperative and topples potential suffering resulted from it?>You said "it's the only way", that's falseIt's the only way as so far as there being people to still experience this peace and as so far as the amount of suffering resulted is arguably less>Enforcing his ideal of peace on everyone, regardless of their desires is wanting to control themEverything is a desire to control in one way or the other. Some people want to kill by stopping them you exhort control over them. The rationale is the same prevention of suffering.>Madara just wanted to feed his ego.Everything we do, when we boil it down, serves the purpose of feeding the ego. It's not an argument and it's up to you to prove its bad. Generally as far as motives go desire to minimize suffering is considered a laudable cause.>they didn't want happiness, they wanted to force their twisted mentalities on othersWhy are their mentalities twisted? And why the others are allowed to force their mentality of every one should have a choice on everybody even though this position is fundamentally prohibitive as far as behavior that stands in opposition to it goes and therefore doesn't allow everyone to make their own choice in case it stands against it?You are arguing that the pursuit was sheer desire for control but that makes no sense as the desired outcome could've been reached the number of other ways without resorting to eternal tsukiyomi plan. Madara is literally the strongest being there and once Hashirama died arguably even before that, Madara could have reached the absolute control over the world.>considered actually listening to othersExcept that he did when he joined the leaf and got disillusioned
>>283516208>I'M NOT LOCKED IN HERE WITH YOU, YOU'RE LOCKED IN HERE WITH ME!
>>283526959Again you place the everybody should choose for themselves principle as an axiomatic pinnacle of morality and goodness. Why? Freedom of choice is most likely an illusion why should it be so valued? I value minimization of suffering more.Madara's done a lot of nasty shit and a good chunk of it is seemingly for no other reason than to be a mustache twirling motherfucker. Given his philosophy I can only leave the diegesis and blame the author. He had no counter argument so he had to paint him evil in some other ways. Now I wouldn't say he reveled in it. The only thing he's shown to be reveling in is battle. And that's kind of where the beauty of it all is he loves fighting killing war but he loves people more so he's ready to sacrifice all of it for them
>>283527401>>283516594Ok actually I was locked in there with you...
>>283527401Rule #1 of Kishimoto writing:Whenever a f*moid is made to look cool it is only setting up to make it more humiliating when she jobs.
>>283527358>>283527459Nta but I would say that the freedom of choice is important to morality, because else it's only the strongest and most ready to play dirty to decide, now imagine if instead of his plan Madara was a jashinist, as you already said that killing everyone will bring about peace, would you still be saying that an individual is justified to decide for everyone else, even in direct opposition to their desires just because he happens to be stronger than them? Especially when these things can have unforeseen consequences.
>>283527358>Why is it any better?Because it's the will of the people, by talking and collaborating theoretically we reach a compromise, to leave a lower number of people unsatisfied with the outcome.>It's the only way as so far as there being people to still experience this peaceAnd why is this important? It will still end humanity (no descendants), and more importantly once you stop caring about the dignity of other people there is no more merit in leaving them alive.>Everything is a desire to control in one way or the other.Yes, but one alone deciding for everyone is worse than multiple people having their opinions and from those derive a new one.>Everything we do, when we boil it down, serves the purpose of feeding the ego.Possible, it could be argued, and again, Madara cared only about that, not about anyone else (it's telling enough how he always pretended the Uchiha were his reason but he had no problem planning for their demise).>Why are their mentalities twisted?That was mainly referring to Obito, which I don't think I need to explain, Madara has less personality, but what I'm saying is reason enough for him to be twisted.>And why the others are allowed to force their mentality of every one should have a choice on everybody even though this position is fundamentally prohibitive as far as behavior that stands in opposition to it goes and therefore doesn't allow everyone to make their own choice in case it stands against it?Because it's the fairest method, living in a society and abiding by rules agreed upon by multiple people, accepting limits on personal freedom to maximize communal one.>You are arguing that the pursuit was sheer desire for control but that makes no sensebeside him being on life support, he doesn't want to physically control them, he wants to control everything by enforcing his mentality on them.1/2
>>283527358>>283527928 (me)>Except that he did when he joined the leaf and got disillusionedHe didn't listen to all the Uchiha who stopped following him and to Hashirama who pleaded for peace until he was forced into the ground and the only alternative was dying, and even then he simply betrayed it because he couldn't lead and was paranoid towards Tobirama (probably because of a grudge as Tobirama killed his brother), again not listening to every other Uchiha nor to Hashirama.>>283527459Again you place the everybody should choose for themselves principle as an axiomatic pinnacle of morality and goodness. Why?I value minimization of suffering more.Because, ironically, that's the general opinion.I personally would prefer being a mindless robot who lives happily in a programmed world, but I can't decide for others how they should live their life, because I, like Madara, am just a person, like them, so I have no way to "rightfully" pretend that my mindset is above others, so I think I should simply respect other people's way of life as I can, if someone, like Oro or Madara, attacks others because their values are different and he wants to impose them it's obvious people will oppose him.Freedom of choice is most likely an illusionI once thought similarly, by now I concluded it was dumb.>Madara's done a lot of nasty shit and a good chunk of it is seemingly for no other reason than to be a mustache twirling motherfucker. Given his philosophy I can only leave the diegesis and blame the author. He had no counter argument so he had to paint him evil in some other waysI can respect that, but sadly I prefer to think of it as Madara being simply evil, as I usually prefer the Watsonian answer to the Doylistic one.>Now I wouldn't say he reveled in it.I'm thinking of how he smugly mocked Obito for falling for his manipulation, am I misremembering?
>>283527097Orochimaru is weird in every way but he seems like a total asexual who is enchanted with immortality/youth in general.
>>283527928>Because it's the will of the peopleWhat people? The ones that came out on top? So because there are more of them they get to impose their will on others? They just had their power in number. Madara has power in other ways.>to leave a lower number of people unsatisfiedSo there are going to be people left disenfranchised? Again how is it better? You literally want the same thing you blame Madara for without the benefit of actually being able so live a life of your choice in a dream personally tailored to you>And why is this important?Because Madara loved humanity? That was his main drive to make their lives the best they could possibly be>once you stop caring about the dignity of other peopleWhat does dignity have to do with anything? What do you even mean when you say dignity? Denying them a choice? We are constantly denied choices yet we do not resort to forfeiting our lives. People love their lives no matter how difficult otherwise they would've killed themselves. Madara offers them the best of both worlds. They keep living and they are happy and free of suffering.>Madara cared only about that, not about anyone elseWe all only care about that. What exactly do you mean? That he didn't care for people? Then why did he decided to make his lifegoal to make their lives better even if it was the case only in his mind?>planning for their demiseMadara didn't plan for the clan's demise that was done by Obito and to this day it is not clear for what reason. Neither Obito nor Madara have anything to gain from their death. You could argue that Obito assumed the death of the clan was imminent so he decided to cut the losses and at least get himself some spare eyes as well as a strong ally.>That was mainly referring to ObitoOk. How is Obito twisted?>Because it's the fairest methodAccording to whom? Why is that forced onto me? Who is the controlling asshole I need to blame for that? 1/2
>>283527928>>283528076>he doesn't want to physically control them, he wants to control everything by enforcing his mentality on them.Why? You claim all he cares is control what does it matter what form it takes? He doesn't care what people want or think, he only wants them to stop the wars and causing pain to each other by the only way possible. But apparently it's unfair to deny people choice of hurting each other in that case but not in the case of potential murderers >He didn't listen to all the UchihaSo he should've subjugated himself to the will of others but when he does the same thing he is the bad guy who doesn't listen to anybody? Why didn't others listen to him? The Uchiha are all dead now because of it.>Because, ironically, that's the general opinionWhat does it matter? Why are you so quick to subjugate yourself to majority? Why is it just? Why is it better? You have quite literally no leg to stand on here. You blame Madara for the same things that you allow society. Not only that you ignore the fact that the societies of Naruto are largely not democratic and leave a very small room for an individual to make use of his ability to 'choose'>I once thought similarly, by now I concluded it was dumb.Well, then you could explain where this freedom stems from. Do you you posses something that exists outside of the principles of cause and effect? How can you say that a person born to certain parents in a certain society with certain rules can live and choose outside of what he was programmed by them to think and do? From the moment you born you already were denied a choice since you had no say even in that. So why being subjugate to the will of others in that case is fine and when there's a person with a plan against which it's impossible to argue it suddenly becomes a huge issue and that person is actually evil and bad even though the result will be objectively by all definitions good?>he smugly mocked Obito Don't remember that
>>283528337>What people? The ones that came out on top? So because there are more of them they get to impose their will on others? They just had their power in number.It's not about power (theoretically, I'm not saying it's working as intended), it's about how multiple people collaborating and having different points of view can create a society fairer to different people, rather than a megalomaniac who wants to enforce his sole vision.>So there are going to be people left disenfranchised? It's impossible for everyone to agree, we can try and reach a solution more people agree with, rather than just "I'm right everyone else is wrong".>What does dignity have to do with anything?The basic dignity of humans beings with a will, Madara denies it, treating everyone else like object on wich to impose his will, at that point there is no value in them being alive beyond what Madara attributes to them.>Then why did he decided to make his lifegoal to make their lives better even if it was the case only in his mind?Becaise that was his way of telling himself he was right, if he ever cared for others he would have considered their desires, he would have asked them what they wanted, rather than imposing himself on them.>Madara didn't plan for the clan's demise that was done by ObitoI thought that was Madara's plan, anyway I think that it was both to collect eyes and, on the spot, Obito decided to use it to force Itachi to become a missing-nin, to push him towards akatsuki.>Ok. How is Obito twisted?Because he decided that a world in wich bad things happened to him wasn't real, so all the suffering people received and all his victims didn't matter, as they were fake, and only once reached the infinite tsukuyomi, where Rin was still alive, things would have some meaning.>According to whom? Why is that forced onto me?To the same society that supports you. It doesn't work well but the idea is more solid than everyone doing what they want based on power.1/2
>>283528584>>283528977(me)>it's unfair to deny people choice of hurting each other in that case but not in the case of potential murderersIt's unfair to deny them the choice to be with others, to follow a path different from the happiest, to leave a real, tangible legacy (they couldn't have children), and simply to live.Also, again, it's a society developing that is trying to decide a moral framework, like how to stop killers, rather than a singular individual.>So he should've subjugated himself to the will of others but when he does the same thing he is the bad guy who doesn't listen to anybodyYES BECAUSE HE, ALONE, CAN'T CHOOSE FOR OTHERS, starting from this being a false equivalency, as the Uchiha didn't force anything on him, they just refused to rebel, THE PROBLEM IS THAT HE WANTS TO DECIDE EVERYTHING FOR EVERYONE, INSTEAD OF CONSIDERING THAT MAYBE WHEN OTHERS TALK THERE IS SOME VALUE IN WHAT THEY SAY>The Uchiha are all dead now because of it.No, they are all dead because the one he groomed manipulated things so they would be killed, and because Danzo was a moron, not because Tobirama was the second kage and not Madara, unless you want to use the "Madara wouldn't have had to manipulate things and bring them to their deaths" excuse.>What does it matter? Why are you so quick to subjugate yourself to majority?Because I'm not superior to others, I'm not saying society is good when it kills children, I'm positive about someone going against society to kill Danzo, but the concept is correct, people talking to each other and listening to different viewpoints allows more fairness to multiple people than a singular viewpoint being imposed on everyone. Society isn't a person, it's all of us, ideally.2/3
>>283528584>>283529182(me)>Well, then you could explain where this freedom stems fromI absolutely think that all of my choices are predetermined from the start, and we are all just biological machines, I'm still free. Simply I reflected that I was bending too much the definition of "free will", I don't need to be an acausal god to exercise my free will, because being a product of my circumstances doesn't contradict me being free, I take freely decisions based on who I am, I can't act differently because I wouldn't be me then, I try to become better and that's still a part of me, just like when my vices bring me down. All of this is free, not something imposed on me by someone else, so I have free will.>Don't remember thatchapter 675
>>283528977>It's not about powerYes it's about control. Power is merely a tool to achieve it. You literally told me that Madara cares only about himself and his ability to control others as he imposes his will upon others, yet you keep tip toeing around the fact that the same thing keeps and will imminently keep happening in the system you like so much. We can make society fairer you say ignoring all the pain and suffering that happens in the meanwhile and all the people who will fall through the cracks even if the system will work as close to perfect as humanly possible and yet the man with THE solution is a megalomaniac and although his sole vison inarguably will fix the issue you deny it and yet turn a blind eye to the real megalomaniacs obsessed with themselves to run rampant because muh choice>It's impossible for everyone to agreeWell, then why is that the option that would allow everybody to coexist peacefully while preserving their ability to literally live in accordance to their believes once it taken effect should not be used?>The basic dignity of humans beings with a willWe deny it all the fucking time even in the systems we have now but you keep saying that we do because it's fairer or better this way but somehow Madara's way of doing things is not. Merely because he's an individual and you arbitrarily decided that no single individual should have power to make decision for others except in all of the situations where they do.> Becaise that was his way of telling himself he was rightWhat does it even mean? What would he care? He wants control not to be right according to you. And how is he not right anyway? Because there are selfish people that keep holding onto realz for no justifiable reason?>if he ever cared for others he would have considered their desiresHe understands the desires of others better than they do themselves. That's why he literally provides a system that will necessarily meet them once they are a part of it. 1/2
The fuck.
What the fuck is all this?
anon is arguing with himself
>>283529315AIZEN!!!
>>283529264Nta but literally everyone else except for him agreed against him, and many of them suffered more than him, why should he decide how they have to live?
>>283528977Not only that but it also doesn't follow logically. The fact that we do not consider certain desires when making certain decisions doesn't mean that we don't love people. Take children for example. >Obito decided to use it to force Itachi to become a missing-ninItachi was forced to go missing-nin because of the order that wasn't giving to him to kill his clan>So all the suffering people received and all his victims didn't matterI don't think he ever thought it. Afterall that was the impetus behind his decision to go for the plan. He could've escaped from all of it by himself but he wanted to save others as well>To the same society that supports youSo would Madara with his plan>It doesn't work well but the idea is more solid than everyone doing what they want based on powerBut that is how things work. Depending on how much power you have your choice have more or less weight. You just choose to chalk it all up to system not working ideally. I choose to chalk it up to the system never possibly being able to achieve the state where none of people will would be suppressed. Madara's way of doing things literally does allow it. But because he is just an individual that's apparently a problem nevermind that the idea you argue also belongs to individuals and would be put in place by force.> It's unfair to deny them the choice to be with othersWhy is it fair to deny people who suffer solace? Why is it fair to force people who are not born into the world without their consent? All of the things you mentioned and more they would experience in eternal tsukiyomi and be none the wiser to unreality of the it. >tangible Prove to me you are not a brain in a jar. Can't? Then what do you fucking care for all of that shit? If you think it's tangible it's tangible.>Also, again, it's a societyAnd who is society composed of? Have you heard about monarchies and dictatorships? 2/3
>>283525204Nta but cringe
>>283529182>YES BECAUSE HE, ALONE, CAN'T CHOOSE FOR OTHERSOk so the numbers is the only thing that gives somebody ability to force will onto other people according to you. Can't say I see any logical justification for that.>Uchiha didn't force anything on himWell, yes. Because following your ideals he decided to preserve his own will and took off with his plans alone.>THE PROBLEM IS THAT HE WANTS TO DECIDE EVERYTHING FOR EVERYONEHe merely wants to stop others from fighting and causing suffering. Is his plan wrong? You don't seem to disagree with it, but for some bizarre reason you have this incredibly irrational hung up with personal choice>Danzo was a moronWhose student is that? Can you remind me?>Because I'm not superior to othersWhy? Are all ideas equal? Are all things equal? What makes humans special? Why people with better ideas shouldn't be consider 'superior'? Afterall fairness seems like something worth striving for according to you. Should we not allow a person with a better idea how to bring a fairer life for everyone to put it in place? Just because he is a person? That's incredibly formulaic.>ideallyDo I really need to say anything more. The system you vouch for doesn't exist and it's too slow and it's not absolute. Madara's plan checks all the boxes. >Society isn't a person, it's all of usSociety will never accommodate and represent all of us>I was bending too much the definition of "free will"If anything you are bending it too much now. >I take freely decisions based on who I amYou don't. You are limited by society and the physical world your parents and the ideals that were instilled in you. You chose none of these things and you merely function in this small space foolishly thinking you are free even though everything that you are and what defines you is accidental. It's bizarre such an accidental creature would be so bothered by some other limitation which just like all the others exist outside of its control
>>283529356He doesn't. They will. The only thing he forces onto them is the tsukiyomi. And since there's no quantifiable or perceived difference between it and "reality" then they have no reason to be butthurt. Realistically many many people would join him on their own like Kisame, but as things were Kishi already was grasping at straws to refute Madara
Orochimaru being turned into a good guy at the end and not getting executed for all the crimes he's committed is why Naruto sucks as a manga. Arguably the most disgusting villain in the series and he gets off with no punishment when he should have been rotting in a ditch. I guess starting an invasion and killing a Kage is a forgivable offence now huh? All the child experiments, murders, torture. Just swept under the rug. Disgusting.
>>283529264>>283529612>>283530095Sorry, right now I don't have the focus to keep this discussion, for now I will add that "saving" people who didn't ask to be saved and are opposing it is self-centered, other villains with similar plans convinced me more and that my comment about tangible children is because some want someone that will come after them, and your argument is dumb because by the same token>Prove to me that the infinite tsukuyomi actually works and won't turn humanity into zetsu, you can't? Then what do you care for all that shitIf you start from the assumption that everything is false then you can't trust your "miracle solution" either, it's correct functioning is less probable than the existance of something beyond me.
>>283530163Maybe more people would have agreed with him if he didn't start a world war before and only after he antagonized them revealing his objective without any way of proving his words. Maybe we would know better other people opinions if he didn't decide that they were worthless
Madara can't explain why he doesn't just use the Infinite Tsukuyomi on himself, meaning that I'm ultimately smarter
>>283531287Is self-genjutsu possible? Even Sasuke and Itachi had to use it on each other instead of on themselves.
>>283530596I don't think Orochimaru ever actually turns into a good guy, he just stops doing overtly villainous shit, conceives a son via mitosis, and retires like Hitler in Argentina.
>>283531509>uses White Zetsu to stay eternally 12 and evaide justice
Black Clover has way better female characters than Naruto, Bleach, or One Piece.
>>283530596Orochimaru's punishment was being made irrelevant for the majority of Part 2, besides Naruto seems to appreciate his Mengele-style scientific reports.
>>283522808>>283522716>They finished extraction right before Naruto and co. got to the hideout entrance and as soon as they open it Deidara tells them Gaara is dead.They had to move the god damn gedo mazo and every other akatsuki member left inbetween those scenes.Many minutes could have passed there.
>>283521819the only thing you seem to care about is tits so Tsunade shot be number 1...
>>283532353Assuming no time happened inbetween scene transition only applies if shit stays the same as soon as it returns.
>>283522808>If you say so. Still didn't die instantly like Gaara did.We have 3 examples to work with.>Gaara insta-kill>Naruto insta-life support.>Kushina restrained the kyuubi but would die eventually, even if she didn't also get skewered.Naruto's condition is a lot closer to Gaara than Kushina.
I think it’s a shame Gaara never interacted with Shukaku in a meaningful way or even managed to control him post timeskip like Bee.
>>283533411Not like controling the biju in itself is gonna do much... >>283516359 >>283516594
>>283531390It should be possible if you look into a mirror or something.
My favorite character never won a fight.
>>283536013Hinatabro...
>>283536013same bro...
>>283525371Yes, Sakura is getting btfo
>>283525371>>283537193>Inofags' only claim of fame are a plot device in the war and coping about how she should have beaten Sakura and IT WAS NOT FAIR!!!!!
>>283537339>NOOOOOOOO ITS THE INOFAGS>NOOOOOOOO ITS THE HINATAFAGS Kek, pinkfags get a new boogieman every other week.
>>283537841What are you even Implying?
>>283537856It's good 'ol Sasukerajesh doing the only thing he truly knows
Migrate. Bump or let this one die. >>283538797
