Good news, the fate route is getting a anime remake by Mappa. It'll be announced for the F/SN 21st anniversary.
>>283570700Saber? Built for NTR.
>>283570700saber's endgame.
Arc solos the grail wars
>>283570700Don't post such a horrifying thing ever again.
DEEN was perfect
I feel like Fate should theoretically be way more interesting, but I seem to have a preference for Tsukihime.
>>283571903
>>283570700Honestly, the double feature of Fate/Zero and UBW is pretty much the perfect viewing. The Heaven's Feel movies felt poorly written and rushed in comparison. What does the Fate route even bring to the table that hasn't been done better?
>>283572321>What does the Fate route even bring to the table that hasn't been done better?Caliburn kino
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>>283572321I agree with you F/Z and UBW anime are really solid, but the Fate route is still good and the HF movies basically tried to remove all the best parts of the route.
>>283572321>The Heaven's Feel movies felt poorly written and rushed in comparisonI don't get why they didn't make it a TV anime
>What does the Fate route even bring to the table that hasn't been done better?Better heroine.
>>283572415Movie style would have been fine, but they chose an absolutely horrible director and they tried to shoehorn in way more action than the route had to try and make every movie "exciting" for normalfags.What that amounted to was reduced character development, screen time and rushed infodumps with long, stretched out fight scenes that were totally unnecessary.The Saber Alter vs. Berserker fight was 1 or 2 lines in the VN. It went on for like 15 solid minutes in the movie.Fuck, the part where they made it look like Rin did the transplanting of Archer's arm onto Shirou and how she gave Shirou the lowdown on how it works instead of Kotomine, who needed crucial screen time, was bullshit.
>>283572457>The Saber Alter vs. Berserker fight was 1 or 2 lines in the VN. It went on for like 15 solid minutes in the movie.How did they change HF fights in the anime?
Remember when DEEN fit UBW in 90 minutes?
>>283572488It would take all night to type that out. Have this instead and use your imagination.
>>283572502>Shirou holds his swords backwards and somehow physically overpowers Archer>Shirou uses UBW and instead of using a sword barrage, projects Caliburn normally and swordfights Gil 1v1 and wins.that movie was such a fucking shitpost.
>>283570700>crappaDoesn't Type Moon basically have a backdoor deal with Ufotable for the main fate routes
>>283572621Ufotable adapts Nasu's main works under his supervision>Mahoyo>Kara no Kyoukai>Tsukihime Remake >Fate/stay night >Fate/zero>Fate/hollow ataraxia
>>283572639Ufotable are slaves to KnY and soon-to-be Genshin Impact. They should make a separate studio branch like A1 did with CloverWorks.
>>283572664Nasu pitched KnY to Ufotable. He doesn't careHe also pitched Zero as a standalone.
>Heaven's Feel manga has been going for 10+ years
Worry about Strange/Fake before Fate route
>>283572621>chadppaUfotable is busy with KnY movies, Mahoyo, and the genshin anime.
>>283573004mahoyo movie is never releasing at this rate, and in terms of profits it will be KnY and Genshin before anything else
>>283572986>Worry about fanfic slop before Fate routeNo.
>>283573070realta nua is fanfic anyway
>>283571577ea gg
Hollow Ataraxia over Fate route please
>>283573027>>283573004Director : Takahiro Miura (Fate Unlimited Blade Works) is directing Genshin animeDirector : Tomonori Sudou (Fate Heaven's Feel) is directing Mahoyo anime
>>283573214Why did everyone hate Miura again?
>>283572579>Shirou swordfights Gil1v1 and winsYeah this retardation is in every iteration of this retarded series. Ancient superhuman God loses to Japanese school kid that trained with a wooden sword a bit
>>283573301Shirou vs Gil VN>Shirou gets his shit wrecked inside out and nearly burns out his circuits trying to keep up with Gilgamesh>When he finally gets the epiphany of what he needs to do, he does it CALMLY, because that's a part of his character and it's a part of his magecraft teaching. "Calmness in the face of death," and "Breathing"—the former is remarked upon several times in the VN by several persons and not just Tohsaka (and not just Shirou as the subject, but Saber as well), and the later is later explained in Materials II as an aspect in magecraft that allows magi to actively work with the self-hypnosis necessary to enact their world altering skills such as summoning fire, rituals, etc. Ciel, Saber and Kuzuki are natural proponents of this school of thought, which is why both their techniques are so clean, sharp, and hard-hitting.>It was a hidden Archer who protected Shirou with Rho Aias while he was chanting. Some people misunderstood that part of the VN>He chants the entire ten-count CALMLY>He exchanges words once with Gil and then sets after him like a machine possessed>His inner monologue reveals it's a last-ditch effort the entire time—the minute he stops charging, he'll drop to the floor exhausted>He's actively breaking Gil's weapons and not giving Gil any time to breathe or regain composure, period>He actively DOMINATES the exchange inside the RM and actually has the fight won before the concussive force of Excalibur blows away the RM>None of this "it's just a flesh wound"—he has the fight entirely won of his own power>The instant the RM drops, Angry Manjew is already upon Gil. No pause for dialogue or push/altering in Gil's own characterization to make him seem like a noble enemy (the only reason I can surmise for several of the changes when he's involved over duration of the anime.)Every weapon Gil throws at him just provides Shirou the chance to throw the exact thing back and cancel it out.
silly mongrel, why should i care about a faker's reality marb-ACK
>>283573338That's great bro, Gil can fly. Gil has an inexhaustible supply of mana. Gil has lived for 120+ years and beaten many stronger foes than Shirou. He's also a demigod and the strongest servant. He's fighting a retard that's using plot powers for the very first time in his life.You can like the moment for the cool badass scene it gave Shirou but don't even try to defend the fight scenes itself. It breaks the narrative in 10 different ways if you start thinking about it.
>>283573495>Gil has an inexhaustible supply of manaWeren't the orphans his gas tank?
>>283573509don't tell Anakin
>>283572321For all of the effort put into adapting UBW, it still felt fundamentally incompatible with the tone of Zero. HF felt like a better sequel to it, and managed to use its limitations to its advantage to get rid of the infamous bloat that people complained about in the VN.
>>283573719Saber/Rin were the light side and Ilya/Sakura were the dark side of the VN
>>283572457>The Saber Alter vs. Berserker fight was 1 or 2 lines in the VN. It went on for like 15 solid minutes in the movie.Lancer vs True Assassin was awful, but making day 10 more action-packed was definitely the right move, since it was a forgettable little skirmish in the VN followed by several days of slow burn development. I loved Archer's sacrifice and how it made him feel GAR for once, which had been solely missing since Archer vs Berserker in the 06 anime despite how famous he is for it.
>>283573782So what are the odds of Nasu doing a FSN remake with the same approach like the Tsukihime remake?
>>283573893
>>283573893It's not impossible. But I wouldn't want it to take so fucking long as well. What's the verdict on the changes in the Tsukihime VN anyway?Illya getting her own route would be nice but I think like CCC Nasu will invest all of his tism into Sakura.
>>283573893What's the point of doing an FSN remake with no porn or Illya route added?
>>283573893>>283573941UBW anime included Nasu's modernized touch ups. Rin vs Ilya, Saber using Excalibur on Berserker, rewriting dialogue, Shirou vs Archer in the reality marble, London epilogue, etc
>>283573941The remake is based on the idea it is getting the Illya route. Like Satsuki is gonna get.
>>283573952Most of the first parts were nice but the Shirou vs Archer changes were meh. Archer getting to wank UBW once more for visual flares felt cheap. The VN approach was more appropriate.
>>283573952>>283573965But will there be H-scenes of Illya?
>>283573988>Thinking that Modern Shirou will actively seek out Illya outside of the Prillyaverse.
>>283571099>>283571492>>283571884>>283572076slaver has only one master that she should've had a far more erotic bad end with
>>283573995Why wouldn't he care about his adoptive father's last living relative?
>>283574006I meant as in sexually.
>>283573952Nasu wanted to add Saber vs Rider to the UBW anime, but Miura, the director, vetoed it.>Mr. Nasu wanted to stick in a Rider vs. Saber battle on the roof because he felt that maybe the scene where Rider is knocked out of the running might be a little over the top, but Miura felt that he needed that to leave an impression.>Miura was worried about how to handle Sakura Matou's exit. He thought about having Sakura watch from a window as Rin and Shirou sneak around the Matou house. But the idea was nixed by Mr. Sudo, so Miura scrapped it.>The Kuzuki battle was the biggest challenge in the first half of UBW. Kondo was finding it hard to swallow the plot twist of a human defeating a Heroic Spirit. As a result, he added the explanation that Caster was imbuing Kuzuki with the life force she had been siphoning from the residents of Fuyuki.>Originally, they were showing that as his fists were being strengthened with magical energy, but Mr. Nasu requested that they have magical energy flowing through his entire body. A magical energy filter (effect) is applied to all of Kuzuki's movements. The staff took to calling it "Time Alter".
10 years ago Nasu wrote the UBW anime script for every episode and plenty of his scenes were on the cutting room floor hinting at an UBW sequel>Luvia reminisces about how she first met Shirou (he saved her from assassins with kanshou in one hand and a bag of groceries in the other).>Thus we drastically cut the parts that weren't needed for an anime... but the generous people at Aniplex said, "It would be a waste if all of your Nasu-san's work was cut, so let's include it as a special in the second box set.">Those of you interested in what was cut (Luvia's turn to shine and Luvia's turn to shine and Luvia's turn to shine, etc.) should check out the second box set.>The final wasteland shot, mostly the same as what Nasu posted on his blog. Shirou is walking, he falters and sees traces that someone was there (the place Archer stopped). He looks up filled with hope and keeps walking. The camera stops on the traces of Archer's presence and watches Shirou go. (There's a note saying they could show Archer here if they wanted, but show him seeing Shirou off without any malice/grudge, just watching as if he's seeing something dazzling)It would be kino if the iconic Daisuke Moriyama adapted Nasu's scripts to the manga
>>283574027>The Kuzuki battle was the biggest challenge in the first half of UBW. Kondo was finding it hard to swallow the plot twist of a human defeating a Heroic Spirit. As a result, he added the explanation that Caster was imbuing Kuzuki with the life force she had been siphoning from the residents of Fuyuki.Someone on the writing team had a brain but even then it's far fetched.
>>283574404Caster could've done a prototype version of a class card or something among those lines.
>>283574017What makes you think his consent is a factor?
>>283574463Isn't it enough that in the original plan Illya sends her two servants to rape Shirou?
Anyone happy they got ufotable Stay Night at all?
Fate works better as a manga
>>283573214It doesn't matter, all the stuff is busy with KnY movies
>>283574727what the fuck Nasu
>>283574727the fuck is this, they haven't even kissed in the VN
>>283574823Real the fucking Visual Novel.
>>283570700>source: my uncle's ass who happens to work at MAPPA
>>283574828I just finished UBW, am I in for a cumsplosion further on?
>>283574853Yep
HF mangaDay 10 - darkwood,sleepingbeauty
>>283570700I'm tired of remakes and remasters.
>>283574853No, all sex scenes were cut in Realta Nua. If you finished UBW it means you missed it already
>>283574897I like the manga but the most vuglar thoughts of Shirou from the original VN would've turned it into a 10/10
>>283574924fuck, I knew it was sus that it's THAT vanilla
>>283570700In it for my boy garcher
Watch Strange Fake in January
>>283574944It's fine, Nasu's sex scenes are not really good, you just missed 100 synonyms for dick and some "mana-transfer". You can just keep in mind that each route has a sex scene with route main girl (or a threesome)
>>283575002no strange fake is the second most reddit spin-off of fatethe first is apocrypha
>>283575022I think Nasu's sex scenes are also only remembered for the absurd text that are Shirou's thoughts during all of them. Especially those during those with Rin or Sakura.>DEFENSELESS ANUS>Her movements are like that of an educated prostituteHis engagement with Sakura in particular is insane at some corners.
>>283575022>>283575060>Nasu Ugh... I don't want to remember those floppy disks. I was still working at that time, and still feeling the stress from writing my first erotic scene. I was just so desperate searching for my own "style" of erotic scenes.
>>283575060my favorite is "I don't love her."congratulationsif you realized that before fucking her, this dogshit trashfire of a route wouldn't have happened
>>283575060
If there's no sex, I don't care. I'm sick of Fate hiding from it's roots.
>>283575081>my favorite is "I don't love her."During what Day and what route was that one?
>>283575081Wasn't that one from one of his more animalistic thoughts?
What was your reaction to the worms?
>>283575193"heh, reminds me of higurashi"
>>283572321Yeah. I just watched that and the Grand Order movie, for some reason. I've been thinking about watching Heaven's Feel but I'm not really dying to get into them.
>>283575193>using the censored worm CGCome on, dude.
>>283575101You don't have the full one that ends with visions of a non-Euclidean city?
>>283575101>>283576139Found it on Gelbooru of all thingsAnd the Akiha pasta
>>283576188
>>283575029>most reddit spin-off of fateThat's Zero
>Q: In the first month of 2004 Fate went on sale. What was the reaction to it like?>Takeuchi: He's speaking of the Sakura route. A lot of people were disatisfied with it. Hence, the hollow feeling.>Nasu: Yes, although recently more people are warming up to it. When it first came out, people were so excited and pleased by the Saber and Rin routes that they expected to keep proceeding down the royal road. The Sakura route is not like that at all, and they had trouble accepting that when it first appeared. We learned a lot from that experience.>After the release of the original game, how was the response to HF?>After I had finished writing the scenario, I had a feeling of completion and thought "I've cleared a difficult task!", but after having received far more reactions and response to it than I had imagined or expected, I felt that I was able to learn a lot from it.>To be precise, which kinds of reactions do you remember the most, Nasu-san?>I felt that users want feel-good stories more than anything else. If you play Fate and UBW, you get to taste feel-good storytelling for roughly 40 hours. So I felt that there was no need for HF to be a feel-good story after all that, but then I learned that apparently not all users feel the same way. I reflected on this greatly, and came to the conclusion that for some works, it's okay to aim for being feel-good all the way through. I believe that if it weren't for my reflection back then, Type Moon wouldn't be the way it is today.Back in 2005, the three main TM devs released their own character poll where Sakura was pretty much everyone's least favourite heroine.Nasu just got upset at the fan reaction towards her as he is a massive perfectionist and HF and Sakura were far from perfect. He started pushing some really obvious lines trying to lessen the fan backlash towards her.
>>283576284>Issei that lowI thought he could coast by pretty well through the sheer power of his misogyny.
>>283574823It's from the Heaven's Feel route and that scene is a dream sequence. In the VN that's the scene where the 'defenseless anus' line comes from.
>>283570700
>>283576338kino
Was Zouken a good final boss? He was foreshadowed and hinted at from the prologue.
>>283576468He was fine. Wouldn't have hurted him to get a bit more involved in UBW though by maybe edging Shinji on or giving him a taste of what Sakura endured.
>>283576468He wasn't the final boss.
I only watched the 2006 anime, Zero, and a few episodes of Carnival Phantasm.What am I missing?
>>283576482Kotomine was the deuteragonist
>>283572321>What does the Fate route even bring to the table that hasn't been done better?It brings in more Saber and that's all it needs to do for me to watch it.
>>283570700Is this actually happening or are you just fucking with me?
>>283576468Nasu came up with Zouken after writing UBW and it shows.Suddenly, Zouken and True Assassin out of fucking nowhere. No foreshadowing or anything. And then they proceed to fuck up the established setting. Why did Shirou not sense his presence when he went to the Matou Residence in Fate? It was so overwhelming that he could sense it from a distance in Heaven's Feel--before Zouken had decided to interfere.How about Gilgamesh not noticing him in UBW? Nasu tacked on the insect chamber to make HF seem more legitimate, yet Gilgamesh didn't mention anything about it.Gilgamesh hates weakness and he thinks of the Matou family as weak, by the way. He tried to kill Shinji in UBW and Sakura in HF. There's no way in fucking hell that he wouldn't do the same to Zouken, but he apparently didn't, as Zouken's insects were still alive. It just doesn't add up.There's also the part about Archer recognizing and Zouken being deathly afraid of Sakura when she shows up, even though it's later shown that Archer has never run into anything like her and Zouken has complete control of her up until the last day.
kino
>>283576284Nasu mentioned that Sakura was the favorite of most of the other staff at Type Moon. I think the real issue was that he was negatively influenced by doujin authors like Crazy Clover Club who had a sickly obsession with spinning popularity poll results as being all or nothing (they did the same for Tsukihime before that too) and got their works published in early anthologies and magazines advertising the VN, even though 6th place was never a particularly bad ranking considering the amount of characters (look at manga popularity polls, and you’ll find that main characters and known fan favorites often don’t even get into the top 10 because of the sheer amount of characters). He would have been better off just ignoring it instead of obsessing over it and constantly highlighting it.
>>283576300>misogynyA literal witch showed up to his house and pretty much brainwashed everyone around him.And then there's Tohsaka being a bitch in general and has the gall to seduce his househusband, Shirou.He's allowed to hate women.>>283576580That's not Sparks Liner High
>>283576483An entire route
>>283576760>Sparks Liner HighThere is such a thing as "too kino for animation"
I don’t dislike Sakura, but her route was trying too hard to make you feel bad for her. Her relationship with Shirou wasn’t particularly interesting as well, from her end, at least.
>>283576760Nobody is allowed to hate entire groups for the actions of individuals
>>283577004>Reddit rhetoricThe type of people who say this also happen hate an entire group of people because of the actions of it's leader.I guess it's fine to hate people if they're part of the wrong group.
>>283572502I read UBW and this shit was still hard to follow with the constant time jumps.
>>283573719>fundamentally incompatible with the tone of ZeroI disagree. It's a contrast and the culmination of Kerry's "I wanted to be a hero" mindset.
Kiritsugu is an idiot who ruined his life Why is he popular again?
>>283576531He wrote the plot for each route separately and was originally aiming to release them as separate doujin games across several Comikets. Fate was written in early 2002, UBW was written in late 2002, and HF was written during the first half of 2003 after deciding to scrap the Illya route at the start of the year. Incidentally, he didn't write the H-scenes until all of the routes had been written.
>>283572321Actual exploration of Saber's and Shirou's characters instead of surface level chuunibyou and edgy shit
>>283577274Guns are cool.
>>283577274He was raised on an island with no school and then groomed by a half succubus to be an assassin.Cut him some slack.
>>283576284I think most of the backlash toward Heaven's Feel had less to do with Sakura and more to do with how damn backloaded it was. Sakura wasn't in the first two routes at all, so the story has to completely hit the brakes and spend 5 hours trying to convince you that Sakura is the heroine Shirou has the closest bond with so the rest of the story can work.Heaven's Feel would probably have been much better received if they had spread Sakura out more through the first two routes, instead of the infamous "cooking scenes" that the early route barrages you with.
>>283577567It's badly written in general. It isn't just rushed
>>283570700Source? I haven't seen anything hinting at this.
>>283577274Flawed and tragic characters are compelling >hurr, why did Achilles go to Troy if he was prophesied to die there, was he an idiot?
>>283577597The vn or the movies?
>>283578321Yes
>>283578321The movies are based on the VN, so...
>>283576284>Nasu just got upset at the fan reaction towards herIsn't that the whole reason why BB and her off shoots exist?
>>283579801yesworst part is he's still trying to make this dogshit bitch work
>>283570700Fate is just amwf propaganda.>FSN has female king Arthur give her virginity to a Japanese high school boy>Medea instantly forgets her marriage to the Greek hero Jason to get bred by a Japanese kungfu wobbly fist master>Medusa gets wet thinking about Japanese dick>Tohsaka ancestor implied to have married and impregnated an Edelfelt Sister from the 3rd Grail War>Kotomine's white wife literally dies trying to fix him>FZ has a prestigious German family hire a Japanese mage to impregnate their crown jewel, he also happens to have a devout assistant who happily serves as his stress relief>FApoc has the queen of ancient kingdom fall in love with a literallywho Japanese>FE has a Roman empress fall in love with a Japanese boy>FGO goes hard with this, Japanese teenager/college student/shota is sought after by female knights, goddesses, witches, queens/empresses, etc.
>>283572321>ubw anime>solid viewing>somehow compatible with Zero
>>283579976Explain yourself.
>>283579801I thought he had nothing to do with Fate/EXTRA other than lending the IP?
>>283579801And then he stated that if the HF movies had come out first, he never would have felt the need to make them.
>>283579839>Japanese mageDo we really know if Kerri is actually Japanese?the fact that their family name is エミヤ hints at a foreign origin.And given that fact the Shirou gets so much taller is also a hint to his non-Japanese heritage. I would bring in his hair color but the only time that matters is if it's blond or white.
>>283570700Wake me up when they finally adapt hollow ataraxia.
>>283580726pffffffff
>>283580842shirou is adopted>>283580860they'll fuck it up
>>283580842>エミヤ hints at a foreign origin.It's not really a strong hint and it's possible his name is simply registered in katakana.The best argument against your theory I'd say is that anime tends to have Japanese protagonists and when it doesn't its made very explicit, which is not the case here. So, while it's not conclusive, I'd say there's more reason to believe Kerry is a Japanese man rather than not.
>>283581265It's 衛宮 Heroic Spirit Emiya uses katakana because the japs think they're being really fucking clever
>>283580878Even if they only get a handful of scenes right I will already be satisfied.
Honestly, Fate sucks. Zero was very good and maybe Strange Fake will be good, but the original is just a shitty jap eroge powerfantasy with writing on par with your average seasonal isekaislop. Don't even get me started on F/GO, got tricked by the "bro actually the writing is amazing" once already (it was not amazing to say the least).
>>283581753The Bazett and Caren scenes need to be done right at the very least.
>>283581811The irony of this post being a parody edit of a scene that was fucked up.They had one fucking job.One fucking line that recontextualizes Kirei's entire character
>>283574001What was the point of putting her in the dress?
>>283583076sexual humiliation
now you remember deen ubw everyone decided to forget
>>283583182I decided to forget it.
>>283583076To symbolize the king of knights (white) submission to the samurai (Japanese)
>>283583552anon pleaseit's the king of knights (white) submitting to a greek (Mediterranean mystery meat)
>>283583552>Britons >white
>>283583764Uh, yeah?
>>283572579>swordfights Gil 1v1 and winsJust like the VN.
>>283583798Britons looked like Iberians before the angles and the saxons moved in.
>>283583552>>283583701You mean mountain men (Asian freaks of nature)
>>283573338>he has the fight entirely won of his own powerYou literally said Archer "protected Shirou with Rho Aias" lmao.
>>283583886Iberians are white, what the fuck are you talking about?>Muh MoorsCompletely disconnected from the rest of Western Europe.
>>283583894is this how they cope?mountain japs are ackshully stronger and taller than whities?
>>283583938Iberians and meds are the same.
>>283583938>Iberians are whiteSure they are, Carloz.
>>283583973>>283584004Alright, so most of modern Spain is descended from the Visigoths, who were Germans. They settled in the Roman Empire along with the Ostrogoths, who were also Germans. "Natives" of Spain at the time were the Suebi, who were really more the ancestors to the Portuguese.
>>283584004You serve nothing but jews anglo dog
>>283583973>>283584004>>283584080I say "natives' because the Suebi were also Germans who settled in the Roman Empire.really, most of western civilization is germanand if you don't consider that white i don't know what to tell you
>>283574404>it's far fetchedNot really
>>283584201YAMATE KUDASAI NIHON SENSEIIIIIIIII
>>283572321Zero is not canon
>>283584162>really, most of western civilization is germanLmao
>>283584304The british and frnech are considered german by how broad his definition is.
>>283584339French comes from FrankThe Franks who were Germans
>>283584339The British are a mongrel race of Celts and Germans
>>283576284>the mass murdering worm infested slut was everyone's least favourite heroineUnsurprising.
>>283576284this kills the wormfags
>>283584367Yeah, and all of humanity comes from Africa so we're all Africans by that logic.
>>283584613That was hundreds of thousands of years ago.What I'm talking about is two millenia old in comparison. The entire idea of statehood and ethnicity is only a few centuries old.
>>283584550heaven's feel was pretty much just a can of worms hiding the kotomine route
>>283584279Cope
>>283584742nasu admitted it years ago and the accounts given in Stay Night and Hollow Ataraxia contradict what happened in Zero
>>283584899zero was written by urobutcher, a far better writer
>>283584935LOLLMAO
>>283584969nta but the writing in Zero is clearly superior to any other Fate production.
>>283585029no it's fucking notit's an idiot plot that only works because urobutcher made everyone retarded manchildren like he does in every one of his stories, all culminating in some evil third party automaton deconstructing the painfully flawed protagonist's beliefs after they were tested throughout the seriesit's the same storyeveryfucking time
>>283584969are you seriously implying that urobuchi is a worse writer than nasu?
>>283585099Wow, deep analysis, anon. You're totally not full of shit, no sir.
>>283585361not an argument
>>283585386Neither was yours.
>>283585512holy copeseetheand dilate
>>283585522Sounds like you're taking your own advice.
Butcher is a worse writer than nasu. Cope, seethe, mald, dilate.
>>283585535>no you
>>283584899>nasu admitted it years agoNo he didn't.
>>283586104He said that Zero tells the story of the 4th war in a different fate timeline from staynight, because so many details just don't line up even if you ignore ufo's changes for the anime. It's just a writer's cheap excuse to make his more annoying fans shut up. Zero might not be strictly canon, but its events and characterizations generally apply to stay night.Of course Zero is a piece of shit made by a shitty writer, so I don't care either way.
>>283585522>>283585557not an argument
Fate-related, I’m thinking of buying some old Kano-Ace Specials (and similar books). I just have no idea if they were scanned in some old forum or something ages ago that isn’t up or I can’t access. Anyone happen to know if there’s anything out there besides the ones on MD and panda? Apparently it might’ve at one point had stuff scanned by people on gensokyo.org, which is dead
>>283576338It makes sense in hindsight that Medusa's ass is a nightmare. She is after all Percy Jackson's reject.
>>283586505>He said that Zero tells the story of the 4th war in a different fate timeline from staynightSo in other words he didn't say it wasn't canon. Got it.
>>283587227retard
>>283587227If nothing else I am confident that Nasu doesn't give a fuck either way.
>>283570700>>283571492>>283571099Why didn’t he just offer saber a holy grail to become his wife?She literally would do anything for a holy grail at this point, and he has hundreds of holy grails. >>283571577>Got blitzed by someone not even going the speed of soundUnironically slower than the slowest servant in the war.
I can't help but think that since they didn't hold back that much on Rin and Sakura getting plapped that they would have to do it for Saber because Saber's is an extremely popular waifu, having her take dick on screen or in a manga would ruin her stock compared to the other two whose popularly stems from being plap bait
>>283571492Deen F/sn looks so fucking kino and i'm tired of fgo tards revisionism.It's weird, you see old = good new = bad for absolutely everything, everyone on /a/ will claim og fma or boogiepop are better than their remake but im alone saying DEEN shits on ufotable on all possible metric for their fate adaptations.Deen actual understood fate is dark urban fantasy and not a battle shonen that happened to be often at night.
>>283587335Not an argument.
>>283588139>revisionismThe irony of a DEENfag saying this shit. It was always seen as shit because of it's garbage animation, off model art, and of course mixing in the other routes into the Fate route. Yet faggots (you) are rewriting history saying it was always good and this hate towards it is "new". Genuinely kill yourself.
>>283588380Fgotard spotted, don't talk about something you werent present for.All anime looked like this back in 2006, as a matter of fact f/sn was in the upper echelon of production quality. Watch something like Beck that aired in the same timespan and it's fucking unwatchable.F/sn anime created the GAR memes, show was ultra popular on /a/ but because yoy fucking faggot zoomer discovered anime with UBW in 2014 you think everyone was shitting on the cgi dragon back in 2006 like the cgi green dolphins were better lmao.Japanese CGI was just dogshit in the mid 2000s, that has nothing to do with fate at all, kill yourself zoomzoom.
>>283583938I'm Algerian and I look whiter than most people in Spain and Portugal
FSN anime ranking1. UBW>shortest route with the longest adaption. [UBW] was a passion project by Nasu and Takahiro Miura to give FSN the anime it deserves after DEEN UBW rushed the route>Prologue (Episode 00 to 03) is longer than DEEN UBW>Sunny Day bonus >Miura also surrounds himself with Toshiyuki Shirai, Takashi Suhara and Nozomu Abe when drawing storyboards and directing episodes and UBW work is top-tier kino>Hideyuki Fukasawa OST is GOAT2. HF>longest route with a good adaption that cuts some important scenes. Kotomine and Illya reduced>HF had everything going against it, Nasu basically telling Sudou to rewrite it, being a movie for the longest route, endless shitposting from idiots, delays up to and including the climax showing during a pandemic, and STILL made Aniplex boatloads of money and people mostly love it>nasu wanted to change the plot for the HF movies, it was Sudou who insisted on keeping everything as is>Nasu didn't believe in HF>Sudou also added more to the rain scene, with Shirou pressing the house key he gave Sakura into her palm. He also had Shirou full on cry during the scene where he's about to kill her because despite it not happening in the VN, there are lines make it clear that he's very much on the verge of tears>No Sparks Liner High bonus3. DEEN 2006>Fate route with UBW scenes and Bondage Sakura. Skips over many Fate route scenes, including most of the prologue, but adds Rider vs Caster, Archer vs Berserker and Lancer vs Gil>Finale was the highlight, masterful top-tier kino>Kenji Kawai OST is GOAT4. DEEN UBW>shortest route with the shortest adaption>doesn't stand on its own >DEEN love Saber to the extent that UBW advertisement posters and trailers featured Saber much more than Rin, despite UBW being solely Rin's route in the VN>DEEN made Shirou put up UBW, then he just projected Caliburn and started 1v1ing Gilgamesh without using the sword rain >kick-ass orchestated soundtrack>Kenji Kawai OST is GOAT
>>283589403>ubshit not at the bottomyou wasted too much time writing that nonsense wall
>>283588891>All anime looked like this back in 2006Stopped reading there. Of all the DEENfag copes, that one is by far the fucking worst one. Deen's anime was shit even for it's time. Kill yourself.
>>283589592Deentard spotted.
HF is doing a way better job at conveying some key scenes early on in the story than the whole HF trilogy
>>283570700Hot take : the 2006 anime is amazing. Not as an adaptation or anything, it's simply a really good anime on its own and even the remake won't be like that because it was a product of its time.The visuals and sound quality scream 2000s anime wizarding world, like Bible black and stuff like it.Mappa thought could bring its own flavor to it, and I'm all for this being real. If Ufotable did it, it would just look and feel the same as the 2 Fate anime we've already seen, especially because a lot of plot threads are so similar. At least Mappa will make it feel unique.But returning to my original point, the ambientation of 2006 fsn is unmatched, stuff like Shirou battling Rider in a forest covered by a sunset is so fucking atmospheric, the very first episode I COMMAND YOU GO WATCH IT IF YOU HAVEN'T, the very 1st ep feels like peak horror, the directing is just so good.And even the animation, it looks bad in webms but it fit the episodes and even had an outstanding amount of sakuga, the battles weren't a disappointment for me.
there is just something magical about deen ubw
>>283589711The manga is taking the best parts of the VN and movies while expanding on some parts in its own way. It's an amazing adaptation that's just about perfect, with the only odd parts so far that I can think of being Sakura asking Shirou about his dream getting skipped and the first shadow nightmare taking place a day earlier than in the VN.
>>283576726Stop lying. He never mentioned that because it was never the case. Sakura was always a rushed after thought who's route was blended with Ilya's
>>283579801Yep. Nasu has made the fanbase suffer for its hatred of Sakura for over a decade now with this whore. Shoehorning her and the other wormclones into FGO was also a horrible decision. I pretty much skip anything BB related whenever it appears
>>283579839>Fate is just amwf propaganda.Great, now I need to see a JAV of Melody Marks cosplaying as Saber. Thanks for that
Prisma Illya manga is being officially translatedhttps://sevenseasentertainment.com/series/fate-kaleid-liner-prisma-illya-the-complete-manga-collection/No UBW or HF... bros...
>Good news>by Mappa?
>>283589972>Stop lying. He never mentioned that because it was never the case>スタッフ内ではトップ人気？You can see an example of someone with Sakura as their favorite right there in your image.
>>283590103Yeah, Koyama. And that screenshot is cropped to just those three but the other part of it are three other main staffers who all rate her the lowest. Meanwhile, Nasu rates Saber and Rin above her upon the games release. He only starts favouring her after the backlash against her occurs and it triggers his perfectionist asshurt.
The UBW manga is basically the UBW route in manga form. It adds some off-screened things like Lancer vs Rider.
>>283590158Kek, people give Saber shit for getting jumped by Kozuki but Rider got absolutely fucking bodied by him
>>283590158To be fair, the manga fucked this scene up a lot since Medusa's body would have simply disappeared after taking this kind of damage rather than lingering around for Rin and Shirou to find
UBW 32
>>283583831no?
>>283590189The European fears the wobbly Japanese fist
>>283589830There's no way that movie was serious. It's a treasure just because of how bad it was.
>>283590382they really put the entire budget on gilgamesh and had to slap something really cheap together for archer x lancer fight
"She's… dead…"Tohsaka's voice contains no emotion."It's not me. I didn't do it. I executed the boundary field and nobody was able to move, but Rider… Rider… was…"The black ServantRider was killed in one blow.What kind of a weapon was it, and how was she killed?Only one blow against a Servant.Only aiming for the neck and killing the enemy by ripping the neck apart.…I can't even imagine how it was done.It must have caught her by surprise, but the enemy must have been skilled to cut her neck in one blow.…No. Can I call it "cut"?It looks like someone put a jack in there and ripped off the meat and bone by crushing it.
>>283590470She's still warm. Excellent.
Ilya has an expanded role in UBW mangaPossible Lancer vs Berserker?
>>283590567I'd let her expand my role.
What happened to Kuzuki in Fate and HF again?
>>283590700In Fate, Medusa either didn't meet him or he was killed. Medusa just says she killed her master, it's unlikely she killed Kuzuki.In HF, eaten by the shadow.
>>283572370The best route and the reason people give a fuck about Fate. Anime release order has been a fucking travesty.The series is meant to be consumed in release order. >Zero is incomplete without Fate>UBW makes no sense without the context of the Fate route>HF makes no sense without the context of the Fate route
>>283590726Medusa = Medea, I'm retarded please be patient with me.
>>283589881Even if that was true (haven't read it so I can't say), I have no interest in a manga adaptation. The appeal of anime adaptations of VNs is that you're going from static images to moving ones. FSN anime dropping the ball kinda soured it in my mind forever, especially since the original work has so many flaws, I always wanted ufotable to create an "improved version" like they did with KnK (ignoring the 6th chapter). Obviously, adapting a VN with a million bad endings and multiple routes is much more complicated though so it was probably a naive expectation in the first place.Mahoyo doesn't even need an anime, would rather see one of the spinoffs like Prototype Fragments adapted.
>>283590727Cant give us the golden egg before the lumps of coal. People would lose interest if they did that
>>283590727>>UBW makes no sense without the context of the Fate route>>HF makes no sense without the context of the Fate routeHow so?
>>283590727Sounds like you may have brain damage and are incapable of parsing incomplete information. Luckily for the human race, most people can.Zero isn't incomplete without Fate, the only thing missing is the ironic way Kotomine dies.UBW makes perfect sense stand alone, all you miss out on is knowing Kotomine has the other orphans in his basement as mana batteries.HF doesn't need the fate or UBW routes either, but your enjoyment of it will be amplified if you've read either one.I think you may just be a fanboy.
>>283590785Not that anon but rather than listing all of the ways that not having Fate put things in context for the other routes I will just point out that the VN itself is literally structured around a rigid reading order. You are supposed to read Fate first. Its sequential. There are revelations in UBW and HF that need the context or hooks added in Fate to make sense.
>>283590086Isn't the Prillya anime considered better than the manga? At least in the first season. Everyone used to post that one fight back in the day.
>>283590790I won't be called a retard by a retard longpostet who can't understand why reading the first third of a story is important to properly enjoying the whole.Let's just cut the Fellowship out if Lord of the Rings. It's fine you can figure out the context clues.
Why are Archer simps and Gilkeks always going at each other
>>283590727Zero is not incomplete without Fate, it's literally the prequel. Recently I tried the watch order of Deen's FSN up to the episode Gilgamesh appears on Saber and Shirou's date, then watch ALL of Zero, and finally return to FSN. And now I can't imagine watching Fate without knowledge of Gilgamesh and Kotomine, they show up out of nowhere for such a short time and are unceremoniously killed off, big part of their relevance in Fate itself is because of Zero.Watching Zero before any of the Fate routes would enhance them>Fate route, Zero tells you about Gil/Koto so you can give a crap about the main villains>UBW route, Zero tells you about Kiritsugu and the Seigi no Mikata thing which is Shirou's entire motivation for everything in UBW.>HF route, you know about the Matou and Sakura and Kotomine, which are all expanded and their stories concluded hereAs a bonus point, you will enjoy Zero more as a battle royale anime when you don't know how it ends / who wins.
Archer is so cool I want to be like him :)
>>283590875Tribalism and War>Arc vs Ciel>Archer vs Gil>UBW vs HF>Rin vs Sakura>FSN vs Zero>Classic TM (Mahoyo, KnK, Tsuki, FSN) vs Modern TM (Extra, FGO)
>>283590874It's not the first third of a story it's a route the story CAN take. Yes it's meant to be read in order. But it can also work stand alone, as has been proven by the UBW adaptation. You can even read the route in the VN on its own and it still works well. Everything necessary is explained.
>>283590894>And now I can't imagine watching Fate without knowledge of Gilgamesh and Kotomine, they show up out of nowhere for such a short time and are unceremoniously killed off, big part of their relevance in Fate itself is because of Zero.Fate route does a good enough job establishing Kirei and Gil as the villains without needing Zero
>>283590894Wait, there's even more added bonuses from Zero first.ILLYA. Knowing who she is enhances the viewing every time she's on screen.And Fate is even more wholesome when you know everything Saber suffered through in Zero
>>283590903You can’t save everyone anon
>>283590894UBW is the only route that's not constantly referencing the 4th HGW
As someone who studies literature at the graduate level academically, it always surprises me when people who dislike Urobuchi start criticizing his writing. The fact of the matter is that, from a technical point of view, he is a very skilled writer. It's rare in anime that someone is so good at both writing compelling plots and making believable, interesting characters. All of Urobuchi's stories have both of these, as well as extremely well-written, interesting dialogue.There are parts of Fate/Zero that actually remind me of Shakespeare. Of course I don't mean this in a qualitative way, but just in a structural sense of the way that he creates characters and writes them.The only really shitty thing about Urobuchi is that he's very lazy. He needs to stop letting other people finish the stories that he starts. Aldnoah.Zero and Psycho-pass, arguably even Madoka Magica, are all incomplete and he's putting his faith in people who lack his sophistication and skill to realize the rest of his original vision.Aside from this though, considering writing quality is typically the worst thing about anime, it's surprising that /a/ is so eager to denounce the few examples of competent writers that there are. Urobuchi, and Okada are good examples of writers that are frequently slandered on /a/ by people who are trying to seem smart by having hard, contrary opinions, but who just end up sounding like idiots, at least to me, and I'm sure to anyone else who actually knows a thing or two about "good writing."
>>283590941>Fate route does a good enough job establishing Kirei and Gil>And GilNah, Gil shows up out of nowhere near the end of the Fate route and just starts getting horny for Saber. In UBW at least he's foreshadowed in the church with Kotomine and again watching the Matou household.
Fate is an incredibly homoerotic piece of work. Watching Cu face Emiya gave me a guyboner.
>No Saber vs Gil fight in ZeroBros...
>>283590980>Eroge where the girls are heavily advertised and they get sex scenes.>All the best characters are men.What did Nasu mean by this?
>>283590963The main problem that people have with him and Zero is that he isnt Nasu. He made a perfectly valid attempt with F/Z and by and large wrote a good story; it is just the fact that the way he portrayed a lot of the characters is completely out of character as to how Nasu originally presented them.This made a section of the fanbase mad at him for doing his own thing with his own takes on the characters rather than being faithful to Nasu's prior characterization of them
>>283590980Out of context their designs could look like something out of some weird yaoi VN
And then Gilgamesh kills Caster
>>283591028Fate is a fujo franchise for womenUBW is like an otome game where Rin as the protag has her own reverse harem of Shrou (main), Archer (alternate main), Lancer, Saber. The major villains are also those found in otome: Caster (a witch with her own tragic love story), Shinji (dude who wants to rape the protag), Kirei (protag's evil teacher), and Gilgamesh (evil counterpart of main hero and his alt) >roots in written fanfic and doujin novels, a traditionally extremely female-dominated subculture>first published work is a story about a female character who serves as a blatant self-insert accompanied by a a guy that's obviously based on Takeuchi even down to appearance as the love interest>overuse of rape as a character background>recurring themes of isolation, child sexual abuse and shame over the female body/sex drive consistent across all of their works, always tied to the same gloomy loner girl archetype who then powertrips to get revenge (read: obvious self-insert power fantasy).>gratuitous sex scenes written like somebody neither understands what's attractive about the female body (Tsukihime's mollusk allegories) nor how the male body works (Fate's hilarious ejaculation descriptions)>frequent surface-level allusions to Jung picked up from 80's and 90's mahou shoujo>first draft of Fate was planned as an Otome gameWomen largely hated HF for killing off the men and focusing on Sakura and her WORMS
>Caster and Kuzuki mirror Rin and Shirou>Berserker's sacrifice and defense of Ilya are a perfect example of Archer being right.>Assassin vs Saber Fake vs True followed by Gilgamesh vs Shirou, True vs FakeUBW was kino
>>283591071>Women largely hated HF for killing off the men and focusing on Sakura and her WORMSMen also largely hated HF for those reasons as well. HF literally only appeals to sub 80 IQ grimderp lovers or white knights
Mahoyo is required reading to understand where Nasu started
>>283590980SaemI am big Gae now
>>283590727I disagree, Fate route is the most expendable because it's less about Shirou and more about Saber coping with being a girl failure. What really makes it shit was that dumbass making up the totally ultimate final final true ending for Shirou as a character and to the game as a whole is no matter the route, no matter his struggles, no matter where his life goes after the grial war he will struggle and struggle and struggle until the day he dies and somehow that earns him the right to pass on to the same plain of existence Artura resides in. I mean that's cool if you only see Shirou as a veichal to get into Saber's vagina but if you care about him as his own character it's unsatisfying, then again the same is true for the Heaven's Feels route if you care about him a s a character but this route is him throwing everything about himself to be Sakura's simpIt's no wonder UBW is the most popular, most people do not self insert into Shirou and it's the route that's more about him, his tryst with Rin is a bump in the road to his overall life, he won't be with her forever and she knows it, too, it's why the very last scene of the show is Shirou walking Archer's path, seeing where Archer stopped and continuing on with a smile on his face, it's ending implies he will surpass what Archer became and become something greater or he'll simply last a bit longer before ultimately subcumming to the same despair.Perhaps that's why eva's been in a constant war and Fate/Stay Night constantly has fights, the fanbase is stuck between self inserts and Shiroufags with neither side conceding an itch, they'll battle forever and ever and ever until they all die and there will be no true victor personally speaking I think the shiroufags are people who came into this fanbase from Tsukihime where Shiki's ultimate fate is also not decided that's kprobably why Nasu's career has lasted so long none of his stories have conclusive endings just one small part in the lead's life
>>283591223>I disagree, Fate route is the most expendable because it's less about Shirou and more about Saber coping with being a girl failureFirst sentence in and you are already a retard. Saber is a mirror to Shirou
>>283591185I'll read it eventually but I'm busy with By Gaslight by Steven Price and The Dying Earth by Jack Vance.
>>283591223Nasu stated that UBW is the route he is happiest with. It's also the route with the most adaptions: DEEN 2006 adapts many scenes, DEEN "movie", UBW ufotable, UBW manga. He wants to completely rewrite Fate from the ground up like Ciel's route and wanted to completely rewrite HF for the anime trilogy, until Sudou stopped him.Nasu has always been teasing an UBW sequel for 20 years.After UBW>he went with Rin to London>he's became Luvia's butler after he saved her from assassins with a sword>he helped Luvia investigate Van-Fem's casino>known enough magic he is recognized as NP counterfeiter>always goes ""vacation"" somewhere probably doing some heroic murders
>>283591071>frequent surface-level allusions to Jung picked up from 80's and 90's mahou shoujoHeaven's Feel is pretty much just Sailor Moon S in visual novel form. You have the holy grail, the crazy evil parental figure who experimented on his child and connected her to an embodiment of evil, the daughter being a frail shy girl who gets gradually warped into an evil form that threatens to summon the embodiment of evil, and the main characters arguing about whether to sacrifice her to nip the issue in the bud or save her no matter what.
Nasu confirmed that Sakura is only saved in HF true.Fate is Sakura's bad endUBW is Sakura's bad endHF normal is Sakura's bad endIlya's route is probably Sakura's bad end
>>283591276>wanted to completely rewrite HF for the anime trilogy, until Sudou stopped him.Remember when Nasu gave us Last Encore and everyone hated it?
Fujos ruin literally everything
>>283591294Its too bad that HF True is a horrible ending for Shirou.>stuck in a poorly fitting puppet body >that Ilya had to sacrifice herself to attach him to>unable to act on his own or go anywhere without Sakura supplying him prana>desperately hoping to find Touko so that she can make a bespoke body for him but Touko is known to be literally impossible to find without wanting to be found so this will likely never happen
>>283591294WOW ALMOST LIKE THE MORAL OF F/SN IS THAT YOU CAN'T SAVE EVERYONE WHAT A FUCKING SHOCK HOLY SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITAND HF IS SABER'S BAD END WOW
>>283591309The con is getting tricked into thinking that anyone liked the Extraverse in the first place.Extra floppedCCC floppedExtella gigafloppedLast Encore was so bad it literally killed SHAFTTo keep his beloved extraverse alive he has pretty much had to graft it to FGO so that it can gain some meager attention via parasytic means
>>283591294Mind of Steel is the only good HF ending.
>>283591398Sounds like what Kishimoto tried to do to Boruto with Samurai 8 lore being canon to that series before everybody got on his ass and he quietly dropped it and handed Boruto off to potato boy
>>283591071women hated the kotomine route?damn, if i hear "church on a hill" again.. fuck that song. it played too much in hf
>>283591398>Last Encore was so bad it literally killed SHAFTQRD
>>283591446Women don't really like Kirei as much as they like Gil. Hardcore Kireifags are mostly perpetual teenage edgelords who self-insert as him.
>>283591446No woman is reading HF for Sakura. They want Archer, Lancer, Gil, Kojiro, who are unceremoniously killed off
>>283591449SHAFT were never the same after Last Encore. For years after it they practically refused to branch out again to a licenced IP and stuck with PMMM
crippling brain damage was a major improvement on shirou
>>283591022>servant dogsLove it
>>283591644What was the Ilya route going to be like?
>>283591644I'd watch a spinoff like this.
>>283591654Tragic, apparently. But in a more Shakespearean tragedy way rather than the grimderp tradegy in HF
>>283591671i'm not sure if i want to know what dog gilles is likeprobably a pitbull
>>283591696Borzoi
>>283591644Is that saber as a shiba inu
>>283591022>All the best characters are menNasu really does write great men.>Shirou>EMIYA>tattoo'd Shirou>Gil>Kotomine>Shinji
>>283591696>>283591706He has fucked up outward eyesSo one of those dogs with fucked up outward eyesSo pug probably
>>283591294Nasu on HF True - tsukikan.com/tmdb/fate-secret-book.html>It (Normal End) was the only conclusion considered at the time. However, after writing about 2/3 of it, I found that the story itself did not allow such a conclusion. After that, I wrote the original conclusion, and then followed the story and write the happy end. Since this was Shirou's tale of happiness after losing so much, even if Saber and Illya were lost, at least he should let Sakura achieve happiness. And this was the conclusion. Even though Sakura indirectly became a mass murderer, there was no reason to deny her of happiness. I came up with this idea that if one were alive, it was not bad to redeem him/herself while looking forward to happiness. Even though this was hypocrisy, I felt that the story itself strongly demanded this possibility. To be honest, it was the first time that I lost to the story I wrote.>Nasu: Yes, its plot was created with porn in mind.>Takeuchi: The image of those worms became too strongly attached to Sakura, and I think we did a pretty mean thing to her. ...We're making "Fate/hollow ataraxia" now, but even in that, there's been talk of how it'll be hard to dispel Sakura's negative image...>Nasu: Aww, I don't think there's any need to dispel it, though. Isn't it alright for worms to just be part of Sakura?
>>283591727hf actually made me appreciate kotomine and shinji and detest sakura and her inaction
>>283591727Why doesn't Tsukihime have great men?
>>283591790Zelretch is a great man.
>>283591654Shirou giving up on his ideals to make up for where Kiritsugu failed Illya.
>>283591743Goddamn he fucked up so hard with his presentation of Sakura. No wonder he is so bothered by everyone always pointing out how bad she is
:)
>>283591743Originally Nasu actually planned for HF Normal to be the only ending, not HF True. As he got older, he lose his edge and turned the Fate into a archetypical shounen direction with friendship, forgiveness, and lost his edge.
>>283591790>Roa>Not a great manWhat he did using Ciels's body was pretty based
>>283591743It's funny on how he contradicts himself so much here>>283576284
>>283591309Even having played Extra I still hated it. No one wanted a thinly veiled sequel Nasu, we wanted an actual adaptation of a barely playable game only finished by actual autists (me)
this face is burnt into my brain
>Nasu would rather re-write Fate/Extra, something literally no one asked for>He threw his magnum opus, FGO, in year long filler hell, used that year to write this anime. This is what he wanted to do.>Last Encore was so fucking bad that Amari's VA retired from the seiyuu business.What went wrong with Last Encore? Has Nasu lost his touch?
It's been decades I've read it and I'm still wondering what was the point of the HF route.Fate and UBW I get completely, they are coming of age romances about a kid and girl king arthur realizing their worldviews are incorrect despite their ideals being filled with goodwill. Basically they cannot go against fate but still can act against evil. Fate being more centered on saber and Ubw exclusively on shirou.HF is about the most cliché osana najimi ever created, she was irrelevant apart from making food in the other 2 routes but here she gets possessed by some weird black tentacle monster that is a consequence of her being raped by worms and her brother I guess? She becomes an edgelord then possess and kills everyone up until her sister and bf convince her to stop, then shirou beats kirei, destroys the grail, dies but actually no and the end.I get what happens but I dont get "why" it happens. The whole grail possession and zouken shit feel just uninteresting. If the appeal of Fate is the servant, proven by the fact servants have been the center part of every single spin off this IP had for 20 years, then why people even like this route which kills all servant unceremoniously and features 2 masters as final bosses? Is is just ror Shirou being more badass than the other routes?Genuinely I want to know.
>>283592046He is frustrating in that if he can be actually made to focus on something other than the Extra verse he still definitely has his touch. LB6 was excellent
>Nasu: When I wrote Kara no Kyoukai, I felt resistance towards so many things—society, entertainment, culture—and it was my motivation to write the story. Now, I am thrilled to be writing from a place of gratitude, though with just a touch of sadness. It feels like the old Nasu Kinoko has passed on. I suppose you could say I've gone under a heavy detox, and feel much more virtuous now (laughs).>“Through "Last Encore", I tried to make it something that feels different depending on whether you know the premise.>For the people who will watch this anime as their first "EXTRA" experience, I want this to be the starting point where they become interested in the original game and the comics (5 volumes in total, on sale from Kadokawa!)>For the people familiar with the original game, I want them to go "What...?" at the differences.>So people can have fun playing EXTRA after watching the anime, and people can have fun watching the anime after playing the game.KINO ENCORE
>>283592110>then shirou beats kirei,Wrong. Kirei beat Shirou's ass until he ran out of time
>>283592110To prioritize your friends and loved ones over complete strangers."Don't cast your net so wide" basically. It's what Archer was trying to say in UBW by repeatedly telling Shirou he had nothing to protect, he kept running away from forming strong bonds in order to play hero in some part of the world.
>>283592110HF is about growing up from idolizing heroes and finding regular human happiness, hence why Shirou kills Saber in it.
>>283592141>P-PLEASE LIKE THE EXTRA VERSE!!! Fuck off Nasu. It will always be shit
>>283592184>he kept running away from forming strong bondsIssei? Shinji? He had bonds
God I hope Extra Record doesn’t get delayed again
>>283592210And did he stick around to PROTECT them or did he run away to go save some strangers?
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>>283571884Mappa isn't a bad studio by a long shot
>>283592141http://yaraon-blog.com/archives/82793>Shaft told Nasu to write anything without having to think about the budget for the Fate/Extra: Last Encore and they hope that Nasu realize "something" on this anime.>Nasu was going to go wild rewriting Fate route for the anime>Nasu goes wild rewriting Extra Last Encore insteadWe dodged a bullet
>>283570700Maybe they should focus on finishing Strange Fake first.It's been a long ass time since a big fate anime has come out.
I enjoyed Extra and CCC.
>>283592256top two are good. Bottom two are ok I guess...
>>283592256zero is inferior to FSN. In before secondary normie cope.
>>283592332>normieGo back.
>>283592307It's already confirmed releasing in Jan 2026 for real this time
>>283592356I thought Narita wasn't even done writing his last part yet
>>283592186>finding regular human happinessWhat did Shirou find in HF exactly?
>>283592022same
>>283592356>>283592379>I thought Narita wasn't even done writing his last part yetThey have more than enough content for 50 episodes >Fate/Stay Night DEEN (including UBW scenes and Bondage Sakura)24 episodes>Fate/Stay Night UBW26 episodes>Fate/Zero LN (4 volumes)25 episodes>Fate/Apocrypha LN (5 volumes)25 episodes>Fate/Strange Fake LN (10 volumes)50 episodes?
>>283592380That he could live for the sake of himself and the one he loves rather than sacrificing himself and those he holds dear for a nebulous cause that's easily exploited by savvy villains.
>>283592110It's the Evangelion route in which the artist can run wild and flex his creative / philosophical muscles with weird shit
>>283591779>hates sakura>is a shinjifagChecks out.
>>283592314I haven’t gotten around to playing CCC but Extra was enjoyable in small bursts, played as god intended, 1-2 hours a day since it was a psp game
You now remember TYPE-MOON FES where Miura revealed Vita OPs>Fatehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9MS3Pwzrio>UBWhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZQ5qOsovvI>HFhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnC3QyXawqYEveryone thought we were getting all 3 routes
>>283592184>To prioritize your friends and loved ones over complete strangersWait, wasn't that UBW? I'm confused.In which route he doesn't protects his loved ones and friends? Saber disappears in Fate but him not being able to do anything is the point.From what I'm getting the point of HF is just Sakura's pussy it just too good to let her die in vain.
>EMIYA theme plays
>>283592525>Wait, wasn't that UBW? I'm confused.That's what Archer wanted him to do. Shirou said "fuck you, I know I'm broken but I'll still pursue that ideal where I save everyone I come across."He's not going to settle down, he'll still wind up going to the middle east to save perfect strangers.He SAVES people in all routes, but he doesn't PROTECT (stay with them and keep them from harm) always. He's always looking to save more people, anyone he sees.
Wasn't HF about the truth of the Grail War, Justeaze and Zouken, the black mud, Angra Mainyu that Kirei talked about in Fate route?
>>283592525Nasu: Shirou's the kind of main character who wants to save as many people as possible and make them all happy, in contrast, Shiki from "Tsukihime" is the kind of person who only cares about those closest to him and their happiness.Takeuchi: Shiki was the guy I wanted to be when I grew up, back when I was in middle school and first learned about otaku culture. Shirou, on the other hand, was who I wanted to be way back when I was in elementary school and knew nothing about any of that stuff (laughs)>Shirou's thoughts regarding the female charactersNasu: In the early stages of the plot, Shirou considers Saber to be his soul mate, someone with whom he shares ideals. Rin was the classmate he admired, and Sakura was someone he felt he needed to protect. Shirou is a self-sacrificing idealist who was essentially guided through life by the things he believed in, but Sakura was an exception for him. Only when dealing with Sakura was the idealistic and profound Shirou Emiya reduced to a mere human being with more mundane thoughts and emotions. As a side note, Shirou's heart was always racing when it came to Rin Takeuchi: Despite all that, there is something about him that makes you feel he deserves every bit of mortal happiness he can get. I believe Shirou discovered his "most human" self in Sakura's route, and I'd say that has a lot to do with Illya's presence. Nasu: Illya's and Sakura's circumstances are very similar, so I think it's safe to say that Illya often empathised with Sakura even though they were technically enemies.
>>283591743>>Takeuchi: The image of those worms became too strongly attached to Sakura, and I think we did a pretty mean thing to her. ...We're making "Fate/hollow ataraxia" now, but even in that, there's been talk of how it'll be hard to dispel Sakura's negative image...Didn't he make her more of a cunt in that game? Girl went from whiny to bully, what she did to Rin in that game was weird but it's non canon fanfiction anyway just like Bazette and Kotomine's daughter they've never been acknowledged in proper fate adaptions ever, bro took the cowards way out with Bazette having a sexy body under that suit as well, we had to wait for that stupid anime to finally slut her up, it's not like she's a virgin either, she already admitted to Lancer she fucked those dusty old men at the clock tower before hell there's barely any girl in this series whose a virgin, they're eitherused goods or rape victims because even now nasu is a virgin so he only knows sex from the nelson press plap plap plap stuff
>>283592710>I believe Shirou discovered his "most human" self in Sakura's route, and I'd say that has a lot to do with Illya's presence.What did he mean by this
GAR for GARCHER
>>283592607>He's not going to settle down, he'll still wind up going to the middle east to save perfect strangers.>He SAVES people in all routes, but he doesn't PROTECTAh okay I guess, that's why he fucks off to the clock tower with Rin I remember.I think that's fine enough, I get why people like it and it does make Shirou seem more reasonable than the death wish fool he is in Fate route.It makes sense but it does lack much of the substances the other route have. I know it must be taken as a whole and not as individual stories but I can't get over the fact servants are totally sidelined for exposition dumps about the grail and magic, masters interactions are just so fucking boring. The Black shadow is still too lovecraftian for me, the horror aspect just doesn't work as well as it should, probably because that shit just looks goofy especially in the movies because at least in VNs you don't see it moves with bad cg.
>>283592768that's funny because he's literally not physically human anymore at the end of sakura's route
>>283592749Sakura was pretty sweet for the most part in F/HA, with a little bit of banter with Rin that generally was initiated by Rin and neither of them really are serious about. She's merciless towards Shinji and Zouken, but it's not like it isn't deserved in their case. Her character assassination mainly came from side games and Carnival Phantasm.
>>283592830>The Black shadow is still too lovecraftian for me, the horror aspect just doesn't work as well as it should, probably because that shit just looks goofy especially in the movies because at least in VNs you don't see it moves with bad cg.Fate and UBW are two sides of one coin. HF was supposed to be a different VN.>Fate/stay nightSaber routeArcher/Rin route (Tohsaka route)>Fate/other nightIllya route (Einzbern route)Sakura route (Matou route)>That's right, when I finished writing the Saber and Rin route all in one go, part of me thought the game wouldn't be settled unless I flipped it over. As the theme of Fate/stay night, if we assume the Saber route to be posing a question, the Rin route is the answer and the Sakura route is a practical application. In the beginning there were plans for an Illya route, but if we were to add it, the game would have wound up being incredibly huge. So we had this plan to release the Saber route and Rin route as "Fate/stay night", and the Illya route and Sakura route as "Fate/other night". But when we thought of the 8800 yen price, we decided we should include the Sakura route after all, so in the end, we decided to combine the Illya route and Sakura route into one route." Fate/side materialhttps://www.tmdict.com/en/#?nav=ja&src=fate-side-material>Rejected RoutesExactly what it sounds like. Route ideas that didn’t make the cut.In the beginning, the plan was for Fate/stay night to have four different routes, one for each heroine.It would start off by letting the player arbitrarily choose between playing as either Shirou or Rin. Then around the middle of the story they would finally meet, and after that you would branch off into one of the four routes for the last half of the game. Yeah, I don’t really understand how it was going to work either.Anyway, getting back to the rejected routes, it goes without saying that the Illya route tops the list.
>>283592884>Her character assassination mainly came from side games and Carnival PhantasmBlame Nasu. He first did it in Melty Blood
>>283592768Bro, it's pretty fucking easy to see that as the route Shirou becomes like every normalfag piece of shit selfish human on the planet, he only wants to protect his friends and family and lover even if he has to, no, even if he has no choice but to screw over other people to do it, The broken robot who pretends to be human is Shirou in the other routes, he's basically looking for a purpose, a "thing" he can throw his all into to justify to himself why he alone was saved from that brutal fire, wy this meager life that has no grand purpose or mission is allowed to exist while so many other perished, in the fate route he imprints on Saber and becomes another victim of her endless charsimic destructive "light" to the point he throws himself away to be her simp for all of eternity thanks to Takeuchi whining so muchIn UBW he imprints on Archer, and since Archer is himself he's kinda put himself into a loop of being greater than Archer, surpassing archer in power and goals, Archer fucked his life up trying to be hero, Shirou will do the same but he'll go much further, he won't have to become a counter guardian to start slaughtering people who are precieved as threats to the world, he'll be doing that long before his time officially comes and the planet takes an interest in this mass murderer who no organization can access the true goals of UBW is the most shonen of the routes that young boys and man children attach themselves to the most.HF is the human route showing the ugly yet beautiful side of humanity's selfishness and the fuel behind their destructive desiersThe fate route is just shoujo it even has the NTR villain in Gilgamesch and the OP girl who by status should be a big badass but instead is a woman child always has to rely on the alleged weaker male partner
>>283592947Kagetsu Tohya flanderized characters like Ciel and Kohaku pretty hard even before that.
>>283592968>>283592947 Extra Servants are stupidly Flanderized in Extella due to its poor writing. Nero is reduced to an Umu bot that can do no wrong, and Nameless gets cucked so hard he isn't even a main character anymore.
>>283592947I like how thanks to that anime people think Arc would rape Ciel if she wanted to just to fondle her hips and ass while in their proper story these two would fucking kill each other on sight due to both their inenpt horniness over the main guy and their very nature as violent crazy fuckers with too much power that have to engage in violence so they don't murder fuck everybody within a 50 mile radius sometimes. Nasu may be the father of middle school syndrome because all and I mean ALL of his heroines are pretty damn crazy and have done some pretty unhinged things, even in the new game the new female he introduced is a nutter then she turned into a mesugaki nutter and went even crazier too bad the push showed theres not much appitite for Tsukihime melty blood as there is for Fate, the girls are too fucking insane for the current audience no modern manchild wants a waifu who could kill and not give a fuck
Shirou Emiya is a retarded character. And by that I mean his brain/iq is cute.
>>283592968>>28359294799% of Kagetsu Tohya happens in a dream and Kohaku acts weird in Melty because of TATARI fuckery.It's not like she's acting goofy in a serious context.
If Shiki isn't hers, Shiki just isn't.
The dumbest idea they ever had was making Shiki and Shirou date all the heroines in one day.Like they suffered the consequences of their actions and of course it required meta breaking to even do but given how bat shit insane these bitches are I'm shocked they opted for some torture rather than killing these guys outright given how unhinged some of them are, ALL the heroines have bad ends where they kill these guys and yet they spare their lives in the show? Bullshit!
>Carnival PhantasmUnironically the director hated Sakura because she reminded him of his ex.
>>283593151What, pretending to be innocent and cutesy to prey on men who feel like protecting her? Hardly a rare archetype. Bitch at my work tried pulling that shit on me acting all innocent and subtle and I just pulled the oblivious anime MC shit on her until she stopped coming on to me.
>>283590894>And now I can't imagine watching Fate without knowledge of Gilgamesh and Kotomine, they show up out of nowhere for such a short time and are unceremoniously killed off,That's the point. I got lucky getting in only knowing about saber's identity and nothing else, but a BIG part of the fate VN is the mystery.The fate route sets the questions.The UBW route gives the answers.The HF route gives the true answers.
Shirou is a piece of shit I hate him
>>283592954>OP girl who by status should be a big badass but instead is a woman child always has to rely on the alleged weaker male partnerAt least Saber beats Gil alone in her route and it doesn't feels like he's jobbing to some random ass human with beginner magecraft and a raped slut with ptsd.
>>283593274>>283593353In the context of FSN VN, the 3rd HGW and 4th HGW were total mysteries. We were only told bits and pieces by Kirei, Ilya, Sabera and Zouken
>>283593353The Gil the prankster bit from that anime really is bro's whole character that and him throwing to make other characters look better he throws even as a shota
Is Gilgamesh actually bi. Does he rape twinks as well as tramps.
>>283593314t. shinji
>>283592607>He's not going to settle downYes he will actually. The poem at the end of UBW says "You will return to where you belong one sunny day". Rin says in the UBW anime during the epilogue that they will have their happy ever after. You're retarded and illiterate.
>>283592141Just like Anno. Nasu transformed from an authentic auteur to conforming businessman.
Fate/Stay Night (Saber/Rin route) Trial Edition... soul
>>283593407He will fuck anything with a hole.
>>283592184Archer never said that throughout the entire route, retard. His critique of Shirou is that Shirou only latched unto Kiritsugu's ideal because the only way he could feel happy was by making others happy, because he did not feel deserving of happiness due to his guilt over the fire. Archer died not conscious of his own underlying attachment to the ideal, and ended up miserable as a CG because he never got to see the people he saved happy so that he could be happy. He only saw suffering and despair. But Shirou embraces this thanks to Rin's happy and consciously only pursues being a hero insofar as it makes HIM happy, and not the ideal for its own sake.You HFfags are so fucking braindead holy shit.
>>283593433t. faggot
>>283592110You are supposed to feel bad for everyone by the end of HF. Rin, Shirou, Ilya, Zouken, Kirei, Kariya, Tokiomi, Justeaze, Shinji, Claudia, Rin, Sakura, Angra, Everybody. The grail system is incredibly fucked up.Ilya and Shirou's development ties together as well with Kiritsugu. At the end of Zero Kiritsugu was actually afraid Shirou would follow the same path as him, he actually dreaded it, but that monologue was cut from the anime. Ilya resented but loved Kirigsugu, and Shirou realized his ideals were untenable but also realized something else. Kiritsugu also wished that he had saved Shirley on that day, what if he had saved Irisviel, he never allowed himself to be selfish and he never saved anything.The Greater Grail is nothing but a bunch of Einzbern homunculi twisted into a construct lead by Justeaze. Which is part of the tragedy with Zouken, Angra Mainyu has already completely ruined and destroyed the Justeaze he knew so even if he could take the grail apart while preserving her life, the girl he knew is effectively gone thanks to her stupid family's stunt to try and summon an Avenger in the 3rd war. Zouken's final talk with Justeaze(Illya) says the plan of the Einzbern was to use the Grail to save humanity by using the third magic on everyone.Even the people that died in this route aside from Shinji, all reached their proper answers. Ilya, Kotomine, Zouken, etc; they were all doomed to die after the war regardless, but in this ending they all reached their optimal answers together. Kotomine found someone the same as himself, Zouken remembered his original self in his final moments, and Ilya put a stop to the grail ritual forever and protected the last family she had.The entirety of FSN was leading up to that moment in the cave where Shirou breaks down crying in front of Ilya telling her he wants to live, in that moment he was finally human. No matter what form he takes, even if he has to take on an entirely new body, he wanted to live.
Archer is 1. A disloyal dog (he betrays Rin - in contrast Lancer defends her)2. An idiot (doesn’t know how time travel works) 3. Probably gay (he doesn’t try to fuck Rin)God I hate him
>>283593501>upWhat people think Fate/stay night is about.>bottomWhat Nasu and Takeuchi think Fate/stay night is about.
>>283593477and all it took was getting a shitload of money and some pussy Anno has a wife, Nasu is extremely private with his life but you can tell how he writes stuff now that he's married and has children
>>283593609>and all it took was getting a shitload of money and some pussy Anno has a wife, Nasu is extremely private with his life but you can tell how he writes stuff now that he's married and has childrenWhen did Nasu change?
>>283593585He also got CVCKED for his treachery
>>283593578>The grail system is incredibly fucked up.They could always choose not play
FSN is all about the relationship between Servant and Master. Even if it's the most evident in the Fate route, UBW and HF also emphasize it. Sparks Liner High is essentially the final bit of payoff for Shirou and Seiba's bond (if you want to exclude Last Episode, which I don't).It's all one massive callback to start of the VN: instead of Shirou holding back his vow to protect Saber from danger, he's holding back his emotions that come from him having to take her down.It's a bit hard to articulate it, but Dark Saber (or Alter if you're inclined) being defeated by his hands is the ironic answer to the drama that existed in the Fate route regarding Shirou not wanting to let his little qt3.14 sword girl fight for him. He proved to her that he'd protect a person like her from even the strongest of foes if he put his mind and soul to it, but also inadvertently confirmed that they'd be nothing in the HGW without eachother. Shirou's spirit, aspirations, and body had already been destroyed in the time between him losing Saber and confronting her for the last time, but his mind managed to break only when he said his final goodbye to the Servant he cherished dearly.Hell, he even proved that they were equals in strength by using a "special move" that Seiba had specifically told him not to attempt until he was as strong as his opponent. If there's one thing Nasu's really good at, it's making setup that you didn't even realize was setup 50 hours in hit you like a truck the moment it gets utilized.
Nobody cares about HF you retards stop talking about it
I care about HF keep talking about it
Bravo Nasu moments
>>283593548I've read the UBW route 3 times and watched the anime twice, he most certainly does berate Shirou in a number of ways. He's not just shitting on him for copying Kiritsugu, he goes at length about how Shirou has "nothing to protect" and how "he didn't lose anything because he had nothing to begin with."
>>283593585>Probably gayShirou is definitely bi curious
>>283593578>and Ilya put a stop to the grail ritual foreverIn 2004, this was cool as fuck but in retrospect lmao.
>>283593712
>>283593737Do you think he ever had thoughts about archer? Even more so when he finds out that archer is his future self
>>283593712She should have whooped assassin’s ass. Nasu hates casters.
The ending of Heaven's Feel is meant to mirror the start of the story.The same fire filled environment created by the same creature and the same near death experience in both cases. But this time around Shirou constantly tries to avoid becoming the bone of his sword and talks about how much he wants to live instead of how much he wants to die.You can also say that Shirou's origin has always been swords, even before the whole fire trauma. But that doesn't change that his mentality and body actually comes from that whole life changing moment. It's Kiritsugu who puts Avalon inside of him which increases his sword affinity and connects him with Saber, who represents the beautiful heroic ideal he wants. And in the end he kills her with his own hands and the body that had Avalon disappears. In the same route where his ideals are abandoned.
>>283593838Nasu will never hate casters more than he hates assassins.
>>283593873No he loves assassins (at least more) more than casters
Here's your UBW sequel>Shirou went to London with Rin!>While teaching Shirou magic, Rin learned back few projection magic tricks for herself too. Including own version of Rho Aias that has shape of five petaled sakura flower.>Saber disappeared in 5th Grail War, but her spirit remained and now starting possesing body of Gray.>Sakura became completely irelevant, probably staying in Fuyuki and breeding wormy babies with Shinji.>Dismantling Grail War is Endgame!>Rin and Shirou go to London together>Rin loves Shirou and didnt give up yet which happens only in Fate or HF>Luvia hints that Rin's presence makes it hard for her to steal Shirou and specifically says she wants to steal him from her which doesnt make sense if they arent a thing>Sakura is NEVER mentioned>Shirou can make swords as if it's nothing and Rin event drops a casual line about him replicating the Azoth sword which would be possible only in UBW since in Fate or HF he couldnt have gotten so good so fast>She starts doing "SEIGI NO MIKATA" adventures which only happens if Archer story moves her which doesnt happen in Fate or HF>Waver recalls the scene at the end of UBW anime (written by Nasu) which is the most obvious proof
>>283593838Isnt the most powerful servant, period, a grand caster
>>283593993Most powerful servant period is changed every new fgo arc.
>>283593993If Medea had a good master, she might have been able to hack the Greater Grail since with one look, she understood everything about the Grail System which is likely inferior to her Age of God magic. With her magic, she was able to do things like summon a Servant despite being a Servant herself, to construct a territory where she can use spells that are almost at the level of True Magic, and, in some endings, mess with the internal workings of the Greater Grail.
>>283594049Rule Breaker is complete horseshit but is par for the course with modern Fate’s dbz tier power wanking
>>283594049And yet she still dies/loses like an absolute bitch because Nasu hates her. Meanwhile Solomon soloed the entire thing.
>>283593993The most powerful character in Type Moon is old wizard Zelretch if you take that one statement by Nasu (“I feel like whatever timeline he looks at becomes the one and only canon one haha” w/e) literally.
Rin should have summoned Lancer
>>283588139I still get chills watching Gil's ONORR ONORE ONORE ONORE ONORE ONOREWe were denied the kino of DEEN's HF. They had the art ready and everything.
>>283594146>I still get chillsOh god do you listen to yourself
>>283594212Cope zoomer.
>>283594144This. He would have cream pied her daily.
>>283593993Yeah but that's gay, even by FGO standards.>I am summoned, I created magecraft, servants are magecraft, therefore I autowinThat's GAY.
>>283594441Wizards all the way up and down anon
>>283594441what setting doesn’t just devolve into wizard/mage wankery? Genuine question, every single fictional universe just has it’s OP characters just be some variant of spell slinging shithead who is just so OP that no one can ever hope to match them and the STR and DEXcels just cry in the corner
I WANT TO RAPE SHIROU IN FRONT OF SABER, RIN, SAKURA, ILLYA AND TAIGA
>>283594522Shinji stop posting and get back to fucking your sister
>>283594513In the end wizardry and magic shit is just fantastical science/physics and at its highest you have shit like the Q from Star Trek - people who can make settings and their own science/physics wholesale
>>283593733His initial attack on Shirou is that he is inconsistent in his principles, deciding arbitrarily of who gets to live or die. He points out to Shirou that in trying to kill Berserker, he is engaging in a trade off of a lesser number of deaths to prevent a greater one, thus having no principled reason to reject his own cold rationale for letting Caster live. Then later on he calls Shirou a hypocrite for the way he does not value his own life and the meaninglessness of pursuing an ideal he adopted from someone without truly understanding. But the point of Answer is to reveal that Archer has no deeper ideological reasons to reject Shirou, he is motivated by personal grievance. And ultimately, he does want Shirou to succeed where he failed. He wanted to break Shirou so that he could see him rise up, in doing so vindicating Archer's life in his stead. The point is that people place too much weight on Archer's early statements, when he clearly is being disingenuous and gradually reveals his true complaints and critiques later on.
Nobody thinks this hard about cartoons Stop it
>>283594798yeah and during that time one of many of his criticisms is that he's not protecting and cherishing the people he has, he's willing to throw his life away for perfect strangers.I don't know why you have to tell me shit I already know.
STOP IT
>>283594798>>283594989Wasn't Shirou just trying to prevent the fire from happening again?
Kayneth gets cucked in every way>Waver steals his catalyst>Lancer won't finish off Saber >Sola-Ui wants Lancer>Kiritsugu cripples him>Lancer lets Kiritsugu escape out of honor and respect for Saber>Waver, the student he hates the most, replaces him in the Archibald family
CCC? Nasu's magnum opus
>>283571903You'd think Ufotable would have been the perfect studio for Fate seeing as the Kara no Kyokai movies had perfect atmosphere but they've mainly done an alright job.
>>283594989>yeah and during that time one of many of his criticisms is that he's not protecting and cherishing the people he has, he's willing to throw his life away for perfect strangers.You haven't shown any citations for this. Cope harder.
>>283595435>but they've mainly done an alright job.What are your criticisms?
>>283594861t. drooling retard
>>283583182UBW movie Rin was peak Rin.
>>283595763You mean Tabata Rin right?
>>283589972Sakura was always Shirou's soulmate since the very concept, anon, but you already know this.
Then:>The DEEN adaptation was shit!Now:>Modern anime is so shit no remake will surpass the DEEN adaptation
Who is the Seifer of Fate?
>>283595841>The DEEN adaptation was shit!It really wasn't that bad. It was just rushed and they mixed routes.
>>283595812Would be pretty funny if somebody commissioned an artist for a piece where VN Rin, Deen Rin, and ufotable Rin were drawn like siblings posing for a photo.
>>283595841I remember the days when everyone shat on the Deen adaptation. I never hated it but I find the turnaround in the fandom to be kind of revisionist and hypocritical. There are multiple different narratives like this that have been spun and flipped over time and I kind of think less of the fandom for it.
>>283595926Looks shit to me
>>283595955>I remember the days when everyone shat on the Deen adaptationThat's the case with most fandoms. They're always shitting on something.
Funny how DEEN Fate was cooked up in 2005, during Fate/ha and Zero's developmentIt still had classic Fate soul.
DEEN adaptation was carried by Kenji Kawaii and Tainaka Sachi. Everything else was bad (cgi dragon) or mediocre.
>>283596002Watch the Disillusion OP and tell me that ufotable has more soul.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy7Q77ZD_MEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD3396VxaEY
>>283595955Because in a vacuum it does kind of suck. It's just that ufo's adaptations sucked in completely different ways, which makes people appreciate the things that the deen anime did better.
>>283596100DEEN UBW wins again
>>283596157Why did anime studios forget how to shade faces and clothes?
>>283570700>Archer vs Berserker with Sukuna vs Mahoraga level SakugaFuck you for making me imagine something that will never happen!
>>283596205That's cool but how lovingly will her bosom be animated? That's the real question.
>>283571577Just give Arcueid her Phantasm rod.https://youtu.be/E8GHA9n1CrE?si=rfEYjSoaVwo-VdRT&t=288
>>283595530I'll never trust a person who unironically just tells everyone to cope when he can't remember a small detail.
>>283596100HF Berserker looks like a fucking Baki character, where did his waist go?
Was Shirou's first kiss technically with Rin?
>>283596100It's a shame that none of the adaptations get it right that he's supposed to look like a stone statue come to life. They also make him look too brown and not enough grey.
Dark Saber vs Rider
>>283596100This is THE most obnoxious thing about Ufotable, the constant overload of after effect bullshit on screen.Looking at the VN cg, berserker's overly detailed stature makes him menacing and contrast perfectly with Ilya's small height but still agressive looking face.Deen keeps the same idea with a very distinct berserker and angry ilya.Then ufotable just had to put berserker behind all that blue smoke shit to the point he just becomes a big black monster, also going crazy with the proportion for no reason with ilya going from reaching his pelvis to being barely taller than above his knee.Almost the entirety of UBW has that smoke effect it's insane.
atsushi ikariya
DEEN UBW choreography
Saber vs Gil
>>283596659The VN CG was so much cooler.
>>283596659
Crazy train
UBW #03
>>283596761I don't think Bellerophon even gets to charge at Saber once, it just gets obliterated by Excalibur mid-dive.
>>283596841In the VN, at least. It gets summoned and is immediately destroyed.
Shirou saving Rin from a bad end
Shirou vs Kuzuki
>>283596761Realta Nua PS2
Realta Nua Vita
>>283596950
Rider Ass shot is Asako Nishida
>>283588139aside from looking very nice, I think its the adaptation that best captures the feeling you get while reading the VN.
>>283597071damnshirou got to clap that
FHA Lancer vs Bazett
>>283597162What is this from? The Vita OP?
>>283597228FHA Vita / Remasteredhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XtHp3NxQLc
Ciel route
>>283597246The VN says that the ball part of Fragarach is supposed to be spinning like crazy when it's ready to shoot but the OP clearly implies otherwise.
Archer vs Berserker
Gae Bolg
This thread is a SOUL trip to see that any spark of soul this series ever had ran out more than a decade ago
>>283579801I don't get it either.If BB is what you wanted Sakura to be to some extent, why not make a fucking sequel to FSN based on her route? Making a clone to practice whatever fetish he's into doesn't stick most of the time.
>>283597630a decade and 3 months to be specific
>>283592314Would you recommend Fate/Extella? I'm tempted to play it, since Nasu wrote the main scenario
Hello, just wanted to stop by to say I want to fuck Archer.
>>283597686nasu is japanese and autistic
>>283597800Funny how true that still is. The anon who did it was a prophet.
>>283597815It would be less accurate if Nasu and whoever runs FGO would've stopped milking Saberfaces, Rinfaces and Gilgamesh to death.
>>283593033>no modern manchild wants a waifu who could kill and not give a fuckIsn't that like half the waifus in FGO?
>>283596189Easier to animatepls understand
>>283596205My wife
Thoughts on Caren?
>>283598028absolute best girl
>>283598028I would be down for it if she gets an route in a FSN remake.
>>283598174anon one already came out
>>283592516>played as god intended, 1-2 hours a day since it was a psp gameFunny enough I played it on the PSP all those years ago, but only recently beat CCC. It'd been so long I'd forgotten a lot of Extra's plot, but even then I found CCC to be enjoyable on its own. The inclusion of dialogue choices and bad ends really scratched the proverbial itch as far as VN-nostalgia goes.>>283597706>Would you recommend Fate/ExtellaNot sure since the core gameplay/mechanics are so different from Extra/CCC, but it's likely worth the time if Nasu was involved. Now that you've reminded me it exists, it'll be next on the list after doing a few more CCC routes and a replay or two of Extra.
>>283574404Kondos a fucking retard. Kuzukis snake style is the equivalent of tsubame gaeshi in terms of way of life. Kojirou reached a sword saints maken by doing a single action all his life to achieve one technique. Kuzuki was made to practice a single way to punch and do the snake style all his life for a similar trivial reason. Its ultimately the same sort of shit of course he can beat servants if he gets reinforcement
>>283592194Ccc is his like second best with tho. You haven't read it have you
>>283598174anon..
even after all these years, church on the hill still haunts me. having to repeatedly listen to that obnoxious fucking song on repeat for long periods of time during HF broke something in mehttps://youtu.be/nDDoqAksEn0?list=RDnDDoqAksEn0
>>283600068why can't japs into Christianity?it's not that fucking complicated
>>283599594Shut the fuck up, Saber has full magical plate armor, she has a reach advantage and is a fucking demigod superhuman. She can punch his punch and break his fist. She can stab him without going full retard and getting grabbed. She can stomp the ground so hard the guy would be floating in the air. She has an invisible sword that everyone fucking ignores when it's convenient. She can do a million different things to make this guy cry and scream while pissing his trousers. He can do 1 one (uno) thing.Shut your dumbass mouth up. YOU UNDERSTAND NOTHING. BECAUSE YOU'RE STUPID!
>>283590144Still the most popular among the staff according to Nasu, so your claim is clearly bullshit.>>283591158Actually, HF was only ever hated by victim-blaming incels who are literally too illiterate to understand the plot. It's the most popular route nowadays, so Nasu just had the poor luck to attract a low-quality fanbase early on.>>283591352It literally says he'll be able to live like usual.
wormtard still at it
>>283593948>fanfic by a guest authorIrrelevant.
>>283575060>educated prostituteI assume the original was geisha and this is just translator-kun being a retard as usual.
>>283600250>fucking like a geishaweird ass phrase
>>283575081He actually admits that he loved her all along and was just trying to repress his feelings. Not sure what you read, but it sure wasn't F/SN.
holy fuck
>>283600329wormfags are fucking delusional, yeah
I see Random Alias tried sage-replying the thread to get the last word (strong ACK behaviour). Will he try again?
>>283594146>They had the art ready and everything.Really? Are there any images of it?
