Can a shounen be deep?
Parasyte does not belong here
>>283603298>harem>powerups>aura
>>283603274slopsoy fag, shitjk, and cuckcucuck doesn't belong there
>>283603274What is deep?
>>283603274The only show I have seen from your image is Dragonball.
>>283603274Obviously?
>>283603274It could before 80s battle shounen dumbed it down
>>283603274pic unrelated?
>>283603323>good writingDoes not belong here
>>283603274Yes but I'm really here for the cool factor, adventure and gags. For deep I have books made before the end of ww2.
>>283603274Why is kiseijuu surrounded by shit?
>>283604228lotr is after ww2
>>283604256Its not that deep bruh
>>283603274I wouldn't call it really deep but FMA 2003 has some depth. Same with Ruroni Kenshin.
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>>283603274>can a young boy be deepsounds like something a pedo would say
>>283603274While I would argue true depth and meaning can only be found in stories for children, I don't think that applies to Jumpshit.
>>283603274Dragon Ball is inspired heavily by kung fu fantasy movies from Hong Kong and Taiwan to the point Toriyama and Toei straight up lift moves, characters, and storylines from those movies. Most shounenshit takes the basic trappings of martial arts, ki and tournaments, but completely lose all the Chinese kung fu shit in translation and replace it with more Japanese cultural fingerprints, but it doesn't really work. It's like trying to set an American Western in 1960s Great Britain. And then you add all the kiddy tropes like the Power of Friendship (which Dragon Ball never did, it always treated friendship like friendship, nothing more). What's even more funny is that Dragon Ball actually has a solid understanding on Daoism and Buddhism, moreso than other Japanese works without even trying and being in your face about it. It pushes the philosophy of "Shan Wai, You Shan" (????,????, Beyond the Mountain, Another Mountain, i.e., there is always another level to get to). To believe in one self, to cultivate one's body (Goku) and mind (Gohan) and not to worship Gods which reflects to the real story of Bodhidarma, the Indian monk who brought martial arts to China. Or how Zamasu had his name from Shamash, the Babylonian Sun God, as in, he thought that he was the light and was blinded by himself in the end (a tale of conceit, similar to another Buddhist story). Or how the Buddha rejected Gods and how this reflects in Toriyama's work where Son Goku is literally training to surpass the Gods.
Cell is the personification of what Roshi feared his students plus Tenshinhan and Chaozu would become had they not been humbled in the 天下てんか一いち武ぶ道どう会かい, Tenka'ichi Budōkai; lit. "The Number One Under Heaven Martial Arts Gathering". Goku always lost in the tournaments which gave him the drive to improve himself even more, Yamcha and Krillin had Goku as their ultimate goal. Tenshinhan and chaozu were trained to become assasinas and fought dirty even after Yamcha was knocked out Tenshinhan broke his leg possibly Killing his career as a fighter at the time. Roshi was able to get through him and change his mind because someone like Shen was wasting his talents, after the 22nd Budokai his eyes were opened by seeing the flaws of his teachings and later conceded that Goku was the overall superior fighter in the finals and that he wanted a rematch. Cell was never humbled like the others and didn't have a teacher/Role model like Roshi who could set him straight, his fight against SS2 Gohan proves that he fights for the thrill of it rather than seeing it as a sport. Thus, he lacks any honor. It's interesting to note that around the Cell games someone like Mr Satan arrived a Person like Cell that also doesn't fight for the sport but rather uses fighting as a tool to make himself more famous. Later Tenkaichi Budokai's doesn't feature real martial artist anymore the old announcer comments on it when he sees Goku and the others again the one place where Super Humans used to compete every 3 years is now a place of entertainment to please people worldwide. Cell was an end of an Era of real martial artists the ones we used to see a long time ago even Goku the boy who saved everyone from Daimao is forgotten by the public. regulars like the humans and Piccolo are also not remembered anymore Videl had to search for Goku's name to know who he even was because names like that aren't common knowledge amongst current martial artists anymore.
>>283603274it can as long as it doesn't run in Jump
A fighter being stronger than Cell in his Perfect form is something he can't fathom nor comprehend because that means his chase to Perfection was a lie and meaningless in the long run. Cell lives in the present not future. in his eyes there is nothing more to gain in power contrast this to Goku and the others who know they will never truly be Number one and know there will be a new challenge for them in the future or some big enemy will attack them, which is why some of them train/prepare for that day unlike Cell who truly believes that he is the pinnacle of everything, and believes wholeheartedly what Gero and his computer said to him about him being the perfect lifeform and promising him unrivaled Power. SS2 Gohan was that reminder that a powerful warrior surpassing your previous enemies could appear at any given moment something Cell doesn't believe in, This is why I like that he is dead forever because I highly doubt he could ever live with the fact that his "Perfect" form was nothing more of a power boost that could be surpassed as we see with Gohan much like the Super Saiyan form which was thought to be a legend for hundreds of years and was later left behind by the saiyans so they could reach new heights of power instead of stagnating like Cell. Roshi trained Goku and Krillin to use their martial arts to help the people in need when a new threat arrives and give them hope. Cell actively wants to spread dispair and fear to everyone with his marital arts he even made the Tenkaichi Budokai (Cell games) into a death battle arena rather than a place of testing your strength against the worlds best.
>>283606847Do you happen to know any books about this? I'm convinced that the further away battle manga go from their original Chinese martial arts inspiration the shittier they get and the subject needs to be studied from this exact angle.
They don't have to be deep to be good at least
