How does one become intellectual enough to understand shows like these? Or is it just a matter of IQ?
>>283647557True intellectuals will tell you which of these have anything to understand to begin with Evangelion isn't one of them, it's just masterbatory depression slop and though it's very smart every piece of it just leads to a meaningless black hole
>>283647626>Evangelion isn't one of themAre you talking about Anno's interview with the schoolchildren?
>>283647557Placing intellectual pursuits and activities as the basis for enjoying a form of entertainment, in place of just enjoying entertainment for what it actually is, is fucking stupid.
>>283647557Madoka and logh aren't "2deep4u" shows, they are actually good. The other ones are ambiguous in some parts, so no one can really "understand them"
I think that as long as you have an open mind and willingness to give them the benefit of the doubt you'll be able to enjoy them. It's not so much about high IQ as it is about being curious and patient. If you don't like something and you have it an honest chance it doesn't necessarily mean that you're dumb, you just might not like it.
>>283647670>entertainmentwho's to say that anime is just entertainment, and that entertainment can't be artful?
>>283647557Don't worry about understanding them and just enjoy them. If you get something out of it, whether it be enjoyment or something to ruminate on, then it's all good.
>>283647649NoI don't remember that interview
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>>283647557Reminder that the creators of Sonny Boy had no clue on what the fuck they were doing.
>>283647557This kind of shows are "intellectual" in the same way those kind of puzzle trinkets you can buy at fairs are "intellectual".They're only fine you like to keep your brain occupied with meaningless mental masturbation.If you want any kind of actual depth, even Naruto might be a better choice.
>>2836475573/4 of them aren't even that abstract wtf.
RGU is quite literally turn your brain off-core
>>283648041Full Metal Daemon Muramasa is Naruto for adults
>>283647557Not a single show in that image can even come close to genuine /lit/ lol.
>>283648478Like what, book with obfuscated fart jokes that people think is deep?
>>283648515No like anything on this list.Moby-Dick - Herman Melville The Brothers Karamazov - Fyodor Dostoevsky Lolita - Vladimir Nabokov Crime and Punishment - Fyodor Dostoevsky Ulysses - James Joyce Infinite Jest - David Foster Wallace Don Quixote - Miguel de Cervantes Blood Meridian - Cormac McCarthy Gravity's Rainbow - Thomas Pynchon Holy Bible - Various Authors Stoner - John Williams The Stranger - Albert Camus The Divine Comedy - Dante Alighieri Anna Karenina - Leo Tolstoy The Iliad - Homer War and Peace - Leo Tolstoy The Odyssey - Homer The Trial - Franz Kafka In Search of Lost Time - Marcel Proust Hamlet - William Shakespeare One Hundred Years of Solitude - Gabriel García Márquez 1984 - George Orwell Notes from Underground - Fyodor Dostoevsky 2666 - Roberto Bolaño Faust - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe The Book of the New Sun - Gene Wolfe Dubliners - James Joyce Catch-22 - Joseph Heller Journey to the End of the Night - Louis-Ferdinand Céline The Catcher in the Rye - J.D. Salinger Book of Disquiet - Fernando Pessoa The Sound and the Fury - William Faulkner The Master and Margarita - Mikhail Bulgakov The Lord of the Rings - J.R.R. Tolkien The Metamorphosis - Franz Kafka A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man - James Joyce Thus Spoke Zarathustra - Friedrich Nietzsche The Idiot - Fyodor Dostoevsky Paradise Lost - John Milton East of Eden - John Steinbeck Mason & Dixon - Thomas Pynchon Pale Fire - Vladimir Nabokov The Count of Monte Cristo - Alexandre Dumas The Picture of Dorian Gray - Oscar Wilde A Confederacy of Dunces - John Kennedy Toole Siddhartha - Hermann Hesse
We had this thread 2 days ago. Can we at least limit it to once a week.
>>283648575>JoyceUhmm
>>283648575 Hunger - Knut Hamsun The Magic Mountain - Thomas Mann Heart of Darkness - Joseph Conrad No Longer Human - Osamu Dazai Brave New World - Aldous Huxley Dune - Frank Herbert Les Misérables - Victor Hugo Steppenwolf - Hermann Hesse American Psycho - Bret Easton Ellis To the Lighthouse - Virginia Woolf Republic - Plato The Recognitions - William Gaddis V. - Thomas Pynchon Slaughterhouse-Five - Kurt Vonnegut The Sailor Who Fell from Grace with the Sea - Yukio Mishima The Great Gatsby - F. Scott Fitzgerald Wuthering Heights - Emily Brontë Demons - Fyodor Dostoevsky Meditations - Marcus Aurelius Absalom, Absalom! - William Faulkner The Man Without Qualities - Robert Musil Confessions - Augustine of Hippo The Old Man and the Sea - Ernest Hemingway The Savage Detectives - Roberto Bolaño The Hobbit - J.R.R. Tolkien Finnegans Wake - James Joyce The Crying of Lot 49 - Thomas Pynchon Madame Bovary - Gustave Flaubert The Sun Also Rises - Ernest Hemingway The Waves - Virginia Woolf Invisible Cities - Italo Calvino Tristram Shandy - Laurence Sterne If on a Winter's Night a Traveler - Italo Calvino The Grapes of Wrath - John Steinbeck A Hero of Our Time - Mikhail Lermontov As I Lay Dying - William Faulkner Dead Souls - Nikolai Gogol Naked Lunch - William S. Burroughs Frankenstein - Mary Shelley Alice in Wonderland - Lewis Carroll The Name of the Rose - Umberto Eco Das Kapital - Karl Marx White Noise - Don DeLillo Pedro Páramo - Juan Rulfo Kokoro - Natsume Sōseki Phenomenology of Spirit - G.W.F. Hegel Storm of Steel - Ernst Jünger The Tunnel - William H. Gass
>>283648596>Das Kapital - Karl Marxbro's not even trying
>>283648596 JR - William Gaddis Bhagavad Gita - Various Authors Industrial Society and Its Future - Theodore Kaczynski Critique of Pure Reason - Immanuel Kant Animal Farm - George Orwell The Elementary Particles - Michel Houellebecq
>>283648478No, because some people on /a/ have actually seen them whereas no one on /lit/ reads anything longer than a shitpost.
>>283648613>>283648604>>283648588Everything listed is 100 total novels, there is not a single anime produced that could make that list, no one takes anime seriously beyond pseuds.
>>283648596>Dune>Meditations>The Great GatsbyYou had me going there for a second.
>>283648575Is always the ignorant literature losers that think old books=good. You are not intelligent, go back to your board
>>283648575>lolita #3Kino
>>283648629it's obvious that you haven't read joyce
>>283648629this desu
>>283648629It wasn't enough with people that think Eva is intelligent; now we have idiots who think books like Don Quixote are good because they were influential and/or important centuries ago (they didn't read it)
1. Mein Kampf~ Adolf Hitler2. Hitler's Revolution: Ideology, Social Programs, Foreign Affairs~ Richard Tedor3. National Socialism: A Comprehensive Examination~ Jake Leone4. A New Nobility of Blood and Soil~ Richard Walther Darré5. Hitler's War~ David Irving6. The international Jew : the world's foremost problem~ Henry Ford/The Dearborn Independent7. The Culture of Critique: An Evolutionary Analysis of Jewish Involvement in Twentieth-century Intellectual and Political Movements~ Kevin MacDonald8. Two Hundred Years Together~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn9. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion~ on the nose "Hoax"10. Beware the World to Come~ Christopher Jon BjerknesYour welcome /a/
>>283648629I would unfortunately have to agree, this medium is plagued by amateurs in the highest of its peaks.
>>283648718name one book deeper and more philosophical than frieren
>>283648733They already did, they gave a whole list of em
>>283648575Infinite Jest is odd, it's reddit tier but also kinda good
>>283648629>In response to this obvious bait thread about intellectual depth in anime which we have at least twice a week I will post 100 novels so the guys can see how smart I am!A good chunk of what you listed is just performative slop that people who struggled with math in high school read so they can pretend they're le high iq scholar
>>283648701>No Sevitri Devi or Miguel Serrano
>>283648810Anon every single poster here is illiterate, you consume Evangelion and genuinely compare it to lit. There is no saving you, did you know that academics in the most prestigious universities have been discussing those novels for centuries and not Japanese cartoons? Unfortunate. Maybe one day people will take the medium seriously...
>>283648575i got filtered by ulysses, am i retarded? given i was a teenager at the time thoughbeit
>>283648604A book you should read and a good book are not necessarily the same Das Kapital is an extremely stupid and dishonest book but that doesn't mean you shouldn't read it
>>283648844NoStep 1: Read A Portrait of the Artists as a Young ManStep 2: Read DublinersStep 3: Read The Odyssey (Homer)Step 4: Start reading UlyssesStep 5: Start reading Ulysses againStep 6: Start reading Ulysses again and actually finish it
>>283648689Don Quixote is at least pretty funny
>>283648575>>283648596>>283648608Comparing political or historical philosophy to fiction is retarded. No matter what why that fiction is presented. When I read Italian Fascism and Developmental Dictatorship by A James Gregor it's to learn about how spergy the Italian socialist movement was, how Italian Syndicalism had already functionally split from Marxism before Mussolini did, and how that eventually lead to Fascism solidifying itself as a political force. When i watch Madoka Magica it's to jerk off to cute girls and talk about why Homura did nothing wrong. They fulfil different needs so comparing them, or any fiction to philosophy, is just fucking stupid. At least just compare fiction books to anime since both primarily serve as entertainment exclusively. Mentioning shit like Capital or the Republic and then acting like those are equivalent to anime, when they have completely different reasons for existing, just makes it look like you can't properly compare literature and Anime
>>283648849That list I posted, isn't my favorite stuff either it's just a list of books you should read which you seem to understand anon, a few pieces on that list I think are trash but I also think they are required for future readings.
>>283648867>When i watch Madoka Magica it's to jerk off to cute girls and talk about why Homura did nothing wrongbro got filtered by the philosophical allegory
>>283648882>Implying that isn't the reason people still watch Madoka Magca
>>283648895most are watching for le deconstruction though
>>283648834Anon every single poster here is more well read than the average American let alone a south american dirt person. Most normalfags don't even read comics let alone classic literature.Comparing seasonal anime to classic literature is beyond apples to oranges. A better comparison would be to make a list of tv shows that "even come close to that." You won't though. You just wanted to do the performative "ok but have you read the Bible?" post.
>>283647557nge is existentialism and teenage angst, mahoka magica is determinism, flcl is comedy without anything too deep to it, utena is about lgbt stuff and "love", logh is historical battles but in space space opera drama, ergo proxy is edgy for edgy's sake and his transformation is probably about root chakra or something, penguin drum i haven't watched and angel's egg is so bizarre that you can interpret it anyway you want it can be about pregnancy, men bad, dying empire or whatever you want to see in it it's like improvised dancing it's a spectacle more than a story
>>283648908>>283648867Oh I will, Tolkien alone makes the entire medium look like something a child would consume. Japanese creators could only dream to create a character like gollum. Nothing wrong with saying the medium is low/mid brow and amateurish. My favorite anime, light novels, eroge and manga are all basically pure dogshit by lit standards but I still love them.
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>>283647557>no .hack sign, no chobits, no card captor sakura, no wolfs rain, no haibane no renmeiHow is it even possible to be an intellectual when you go straight for the pseudo intellectual shows?
>>283649014strawman that doesn't address any of my posts
>>283649029hainbane renmei is one anime I will concede is pretty deep btw
>>283649014>I've never read the book and if I ever do I don't intend to do so in good faith
>>283649029>haibane no renmeiself-delete is bad it's so hecking deep
>>283649067Why dont you self delete then?
>>283647557>Ergo, Proxy>"Get it? Haha. The ergo is from Cogito, ergo sum. I quoted a philosopher xd"This is emotionally manipulative deep. Forced deep. It tries to manipulate the viewer into thinking it's deep.
>>283648575>>283648596>>283648608Well rounded list
>>283649094the name is just a hint that there are supposed to be philosophical and psychological themes in it, these themes can be interpreted in many ways but with japanese culture and their image of europe in mind you can get some "deep" stuff out of it as a societal commentary and commentary on the human condition
>>283649119>haha i quoted a philosopher xdOpinion discarded.
I just watch evangelion to see teenagers in tight sexy suits i didnt know people try to understand whatever happens with that shinji guy and the nerv
>>283648575Is Mein Kampf any good? I don't see it on the list.
>>283649137it's not for everyone, i got bored of the show dragging its heels half way through and didn't finish it, the story is not that engaging >>283649172shinji achieves moksha with the help of rei and chooses life and reincarnation instead of eternal stillness, the show is building it up to seem like shinji is going to go full arahat but eventually it would have been too gloomy for tv so he chooses lifealso almost all the characters have some mental health issue and are flawed on purpose, once again human condition stuff
>>283649185Not really, incredibly incoherent and at times barely legible. It's worth reading maybe some of it one time for history and to maybe understand a little bit more about Hitler (you wont learn much though hitler lies a lot).
>>283649211>hitler lies a lotexamples?
Evangelion is just teenage angst set against a backdrop of apocalyptic theology, existential dread, and giant mechs piloted by broken kids. It masks itself as an intellectual show because you have these uppity teenagers that do not want to save the world and just wants it to burn down.
>>283649223Hitler leaves out certain critical events in order to embellish his own myth. He was an Austrian draft-dodger - one of the reasons he went to Munich was to avoid being conscripted. Police even showed up at his Munich apartment to try to arrest him. He also elides the period of his life from 1918-1919 before he joined the German Workers' Party. During this time period, it's not completely clear what Hitler was thinking - but we know he was in Munich, and we also know that he was elected by his battalion to be a member of the "Soldiers' Councils" - which were involved in the 1918-1919 socialist revolution in Munich. He may have said complimentary things of the Social Democrats. Again, this sort of thing doesn't fit the "Hitler myth" of an embittered messiah come from the trenches of WW1 to save the German people, and so it doesn't come up in Mein Kampf.He doesn't usually just lie to the readers face but instead just happens to leave out important details that create a mythos based on non reality.
>>283648981>Oh I willAnd in doing so you're disrespecting both fictitious literature and philosophy by making such a retarded comparison.
>>283649211>hitler lies a lotThe redditor exposes himself with this one simple trick
>>283649244https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arhatit's about shinji's path to self actualization, he first achieves nirvana with rei's help but chooses life because life cool and such>>283649260he was a austrian that went to bavaria to get enlisted because he was a street urchin and soldiers got steady food (allegedly), once germany lost the war he wanted to stay working for the military but only work they found for him was to infiltrate german workers party (later on known as nazi party after rebranding), once weimar republic went to shitter he used his position as a orator (that weimar republic okay'd him to pursue initially) to do what he thought was best for the "german people" after commies and nazis overthrew weimar republic hitler as a veteran and orator became fuhrer after some shenanigans
>>283649280Narou, tabletop, dragonquest, isekai etc would not exist if it wasn't for Tolkien. Dunno what you mean.
>>283647557I don't think you need high IQ here, most of these shows are mainly about emotions.
>>283649309So its just Shinji going through puberty and realising he was acting like a shitty person and he needs to grow up.
>>283649314?
Anyone arguing that Angel's Egg is pseud shit needs to understand that it looks cool as fuck and the music is amazing so it really doesn't matter what it's supposed to be about, people will like it regardless.
>>283649393Are you not implying that me comparing Tolkien to anime is disrespctful?
>>283649344not really, it's about shinji having a miserable life of abandonment and child soldiery with the fate of everyone on earth hanging in the balance while the expectations of everyone put on the shoulders of little children in giant robotsshinji eventually learns to resent himself and life, rei gives him an option to return to nothing but shinji eventually learns to accept lifes flaws and ugliness for the sake of the good in it, him strangling asuka at the end is him making sure he's not dreaming, asuka saying shinji is nasty is due to her having seen all of shinji during their time as a singular being which also made her see shinji's infamous "i'm so fucked up scene" where he jerked off to asuka's hospitalized body>>283649396as i said before, it has shallow messages about dying empires, pregnancy and men bad, people watch it for spectacle not the thinly veiled and open for interpretation plot
>>283647557Evangelion - japanese existential terror hellhole.Madoka - shock bullshit to sell yet another magic girl show.FLCL - Japanese existential terror on drugs and autist color fixation Ergo Proxy - A thriller with a MC as bovine as any japanese suffering from existential terror can be, with a lot of pseud bullshit to "reflect" about character purposes, but not enough to ruin itHavent' watched the others. LotGH is the only one I find worth of note because its comments on human nature and social hypocrisy.
>>283649401I was saying that comparing philosophical work to fiction is stupid since they have a different purpose to each other, regardless of what medium that fiction exists in.
>>283649460Yeah but I agree?
>>283648596>>283648596>>283648608Animation is a superior artform compared to literature. Stay mad bookish nigger, you are obsolete.
>>283649521I like both desu, I am sorry that it bothers you so much.
>>283649533Kill yourself nyy
>>283647557>evaChildhood expectations, growing pains, freedom, suffering>madokaChildish ideals, carry the weight of expectations, grim reality/truth, transcendence >loghDecadancy of society, ideals, fighting for ideals, grim reality, negotiations
Most insecure thread on /a/
>>283649680Kill yourself faggot lit tard, blow your fucking brains out.
>>283649687>Kill yourself faggot lit tard, blow your fucking brains out.
>>283647557Intellectual just means depth of information packed into the story. But it can take 2 different route. 1) author's true intentions (deeply rewarding if you understand what they're conveying) 2) fanfiction/personal projection (see Evangelion)
Yeah.
>>283649758>noo, the author didn't know anything about buddhism and any similarities between one of the major religions of japan and the show are purely coincidentalthe christian symbolism and naming theme was there just for cool effect, the author actually knew his own country's religion and shinji's nirvana through rei is pretty blatant, only thing that is weird is that shinji achieved moksha but wanted back anyway
>>283649777>>283649747Go fuck yourself, I hope you take a shotgun to your head, aim to the skull and pull the fucking trigger, please fucking blow your brains out.
>>283649814Ask yourself, are you masturbating? Or is this the real intent of the creators. Rejecting another masturbation for yours, is that the extent of your intellectual capacity?
im totally feel intellectual after watching chinese cartoons
>>283650023similarities between nirvana and shinji's experience when merging with rei share too many similarities, if you want the specific flavor of moksha he gets i would say advaita-vedanta is the experience that he had with rei mergingafter his experience he chooses life (which makes very little sense unless the author got pressured by tv company to alter the ending which caused them to run out of budget)i have no idea what the authors intended message was but that is the message i got from the original ending of evangelion
>>283650059Right, thats just your speculation, it hasn't been tested with author's comments/personal views/etc. "Its christian because cross/angels/etc" vs "Its buddhist because nirvana" seems like just parts of the whole story. Thats why I say, its masturbatory cause it doesn't consider what the creators are intending to tell the whole story and appreciate the story for what they are telling, but rather take parts of their story and making it your own. Which is masturbatory, self-satisfactory, selectivism, etc. Goes back to my original point, its either delusional masturbatory mistaken as intellectualism or appreciation for the creator's intent/depth.
>>283650217if you can't see the similarities that's on you
>>283650281Everyone can see what they want to see, that doesn't make it true. More so, everyone is uniquely trained to see only their selective understanding of similarities. Thats why you see faces on Mars, or tell infinitely different/contradictory stories about a same single event. That doesn't make them true. And its fun to explore that, which is what makes it masturbatory in the first place, but without it being tested by reality its delusion.
>>283650321pretty sure you just have a weird fixation with saying "masturbation" in its many forms and project confirmation bias onto others, advaita-vedanta school of vedas is well known in japan and the similarities are so blatant one could blush at how shamelessly he incorporated that while using christianity as a cool factor backdrop
>>283650363Blame it on my post-nut clarity. But masturbation is raw, its also useful because the action is what we do everyday and mistake that as rea. I didn't say I didn't know buddhism or advaita, I'm just saying projecting onto parts of others work while dismissing others, is on you. For ex, the christian imagery is plentifully obvious, its not merely just trinkets as you may want to dismiss them as, theres' a craftsmanship in the work and its there for a real reason. So if your understanding of the story doesn't take that into account, of what the creators had in mind, then you are just playing with your peepee and flexing at your own limited ability to understand others.
>>283650461the author literally said in interview when asked "what did they mean with the christian images and naming" that he just thought they "were cool and exotic"
>what author intended>projects his own meaning onto authors self admitted cool factor shitsilly wanker
>>283647557Just enjoy what you can or want to enjoy about them. It’s not a big deal. Trying to become an “intellectual” is a quick path to a narcissistic burnout.
>>283650549"intellectual" is just a self label that people who are high off of their own farts use, it's a good way to spot morons you don't want to be around because they're insufferable, no self respecting man would identify himself as a "intellectual"
>>283650493Whats why I said you should try to understand what story the creators were trying to convey. Years of production, highly organized teams do not create something for whims, there's a reason and rhyme for all creators and their works. Thats what soul means in art, in craftsmanship. There's a story there.
>>283650592>what did the author try to convey with neon genesis evangelionlife is suffering but it's better to have life of duality than it is to be alone in the void, despite the ugliness hidden beneath the veneer of human interaction and fronts life has enough beauty in it to be cherished and blaa blaa it's life affirming story of a depressed kid with a shitty life coming to terms with being human
>>283648041>Logh>DeepIt belongs next to madoka.
>>283648575Almost anything is better than catcher in the rhye. You sound like some kind of globo homo education golem.
>>283650611As I said, its masturbatory without trying to understand what the craftsman is conveying.
>>283650694And also for the record, the team behind Evangelion has given many interviews and answered the question appropriately. If you're truly trying to appreciate the works, and not merely masturbating with yourself, you'd understand that.
>>283648981Lord of the rings is bad. It has too many characters and almost none of them are relatable or interesting. The movies are the only thing that carries the characters. Their acting moves mountains. When it comes to Tolkien though, narc that he is, the best of his writing is himself as the narrator. And his writing candor is genuinely a cut above. But he cannot instill his characters with that same gravitas and fun loving intrigue, with the possible exception of tom bombadil.
>>283650694>cool robots, naked teenagers and big fights>self insert wish fulfillment>oh shit we're running out of budget, throw a advaita-vedanta ending to it with narration so clear that even a child can "get it">what do you mean he has to choose life at the end, fine but it won't make any sense!despite liking evangelion the author is a bit all over the place with it and they had constant budget restraints etc, he whipped the ending out of his ass and probably got pressured into doing the life affirming ending which kind of defeats the whole point of shinji's rei induced moksha
>>283648844Reading globohomo mixed with history and historical fanfiction is never going to go down easy.
>>283647557Self awareness. Other awareness.Self reflection.Is it IQ? Maybe, but I dont think it is as such. In the end, the more the anime points towards these 3 things, the more "intellectual" something is. Its in a way close to narcissism.
>>283648575>Lolita>genuine /lit/It’s one of the few Western literary “classics” that can actually compete with the nips in degeneracy.
>Intellectual Deadass, to understand FLCL, you need to feel HORNY, not "intellectual." FLCL runs on PURE adolescence. You can analyze it all you want (I've been rewatching it again and again since it first aired on Toonami and I have a classical literature degree, so I've done it) and you won't "get" it unless the connections make sense, right? Well, they don't make sense outside of a very adolescent headspace. And besides, if you watch FLCL and come away thinking that pretense in the name of acting cool or smart is the way to go, you missed the point. Part of the show's philosophy is that it's okay to like dumb shit, or to be into stuff that's "babyish" or whatever, and that trying to posture as being more mature or cool than you are is pointless. A proper analysis of FLCL's themes and content would show it to be GLORIOUSLY in the camp of "It's okay to feel dumb, dude," which is precisely what makes it so smart. Duh. It's something FELT as much as pondered. It's a vibe.
>>283651029tldr; fun things are fun
>>283651029I haven't really thought about it like that, good write up anon.
>>283650854lolita is genuine lit
>>283650732You found a flaw in it, that doesn't mean it's badIs this flaw so great that it ruins the book? I certainly don't think so
>>283648478I can't stand /lit/ elitism
>>283651247>Hurrr.I don't value things in some kind of sterile way like that. I value it based on length of memory retention. The truth is that without the live action trilogy I would be hard pressed to name any of the characters besides gandalf, tom mombadil, frodo, and bilbo. Maybe smaug. Their names reverberate through the cultural landscape of /tg/ which I am intrenched in, but they don't really move me or make me feel much. take the you bow to no one line. That's hella cool. But the issue is by this point the reason they are bowing to him is that he's (aragorn) been completely separated from them for so long. He's some king now. They don't have a personal connection to most of the people bowing to them in return. It's supposed to be this big moment, but it just feels like nothing to me because if you showed me an image of them and asked me to name any of them I would struggle. Frodo and sam spend almost the whole of 2 novels completely isolated from the fellowship. Their victory was due to their own friendship. They may have helped each other but they don't have any kind of relationship. Looking back on it. It just feels like the war weary copium of a bitter academic who is grasping for the excuse that will let him wash his hands of what his participation in said war did to Europe.
>>283651920>RelationshipWith the people bowing
>>283648575Explain how Gregor Samsa is somehow more complex or "mature" than Shinji Ikari. Both are an amazing description of human condition. Stop being pretentious, using those books as a weapon to downplay anime is childish.
>>283648810A lot if the authors in here weren't taught complex math in school
>>283647557Actual intelligent shows increase your awareness and do not require high iq
>>283649814>only thing that is weird is that shinji achieved moksha but wanted back anywayIt's not weird at all. I often notice this discrepancy where to someone around here it is their first oriental religion. It's exotic, gets obsessed over, people wonder what it means.Japanese mangaka or anime makers? For them, they already know other oriental religions. Their native religion Shinto. The fascinating Taoism. They look at this weird Hindu cult in their country and...think it's gross. It's nonsense. 'course, they would never say it in public out of politeness. A Western thinks "this guy achieved enlightenment...woah" makes for a cool plot. For the mangaka, they look at "durr guy achieves enlightenment" and it's just fake, lame and gay. They know better. That is why you have this dichotomy. Even if you try hard to interpret a work as referencing that, find parallels, and the interpretation is taken for granted, the contradiction emerges that after Shinji looks into it... he realizes it's lame, fake and gay.
>>283647557Describe deep. The only thing all these anime have in common are their annoying fans.
>>283650732>too many characters and almost none of them are relatableOnly underage faggots and mentally deficient (aka am*ricans) relate to characters. Adults relate to the author.
>>283653192Name 3
>>283648575>>283648596I feel like there should be more than just one Vonnegut on those lists
>>283650854>degeneracyIt's obvious that you're one of those feminists who haven't even read the book or any other book, just Mormon magazines and feminist tweets on the internet.
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>>283655967>le unreliable author
>>283650519>cool factor shitstill relying on his interview with kids?
>>283649203>me quoting the philosopher out of context is a hint to psychological themes >:)yikes it's COTE tier. being a COTE fan would be an improvement in cringe
>>283647557You don't have to be a fucking PhD to understand these, just don't be an idiot and pay attention when you watch.
>hardly any scifi on the /lit/ listsIgnored, sorry
Also reminders for the pseuds
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>>283648575>big words smart
>>283658843>he thinks those words are "big"
>>283658804Is his weak and beatdown sister, hot?
>>283647557The reason Penguindrum is hard to understand isn't because it's 'deep' or whatever. It's because it leans so heavily into allegory that the idea of what's happening is more important than the actual events taking place. The apple, penguindrum, and child plant don't fucking matter. It's a story about a pair of siblings being burdened with taking care of their sick sister after their parents die, so they're constantly torn between their love for each other and feeling like their sister is preventing them from living their own lives. Absolutely everything in the series is just a reflection of what the characters are feeling.If you want an easier to digest example of that, the final stretch of Paranoia Agent is a good example. If you go "it doesn't make sense Shonen Bat turns into godzilla and starts destroying the city", you've completely missed the point.
>>283648575>>283648596>>283648608Looking at these classics makes me realize how little women have contributed to lit kek
>>283648041I like it when story disguises itself as a braindead fun but actually is a deep character study. I love EoE for its art house style. But man, characters there talk a lot.Characters in CSM say so little and yet you feel like you understand them completely. It is drama filled but it doesn't shove that aspect in your throat. You can choose if you want to engage in it.I'm surprised Goodye, Eri hasn't been adapted yet
>>283659416She has a mental breakdown and turns into an anorexic stick before she gets strangled by her brother, but she was kind of cute before
>>283647557at least half of these explain themselves directly within the text. The only one here, of the ones I've watched, that maintains total opaqueness is Angels Egg
>>283647557>evangelion, FLCL, penguin drumall style, no substanceWIth Eva, Anno himself admits that the symbolism doesn't mean anything.>ergo proxyall you need to know about ergo proxy is that it's the most boring piece of pseudo intellectual garbage that you don't need to concern yourself with>Angel's Eggit's also more about vibes than anything else.Specifcally the vibes of losing one's (religious) faith and dealing with the complex emotional aftermath. But the symbolism in that is not any more specific than that.But its fucking awesome so just watch it again and enjoy the vibes.>madokaUrobuchi isn't exactly subtle. He writes characters with some critical flaws and explores their suffering caused by those flaws. He always does this.>loghThe reason it's good is because the character's are incredibly likable and have depth, and the plot logically follows through massive historical events without being incoherent or boring.That's it. There's a thousand smaller things to notice about each aspect of the show, but none of these individually are the reasons why the show is so good. You might need some intellect to keep track of all the numerous characters but it doesn't deal with any actually challenging ideas. Just watch it.
>>283648041Eva and Ergoproxy need to be alot lower on the y-axis, they aren't any deeper than madoka, angel's egg or utena.Angless Egg also needs to be a bit higher and further to the left.
>>283647557Just watch them? There's nothing special you have to do to understand them.
