Cloudflare can eat shit but also if you're running a pirate site on Cloudflare you're fucking retarded

>>283877807
Woohoo! I love the centralized internet!

>>283877807
>that allows creators to receive fair compensation
This is so hypocritical. Mangaka and animators literally work themselves to death for receiving scraps, while publishers like Kadokawa are rich as fuck and their managers earn whateverthefuck as much as the creators.

File: O°O.jpg (308 KB, 754x790)

308 KB JPG

>>283878195
a mangaka and an animator are two different breeds retard.
a mangaka is secured to get royalties, an animator isn't.
Even with piracy winning, animators are still the ones to get the short stick of monetary earnings.

>>283878292
I never said they were the same. But even mangaka who receive royalties only earn enough when the scraps they receive add up enough.
You literally have rich, fat managers telling mangakas to gaslight their audience about piracy because otherwise they'd die in poverty.

>>283878292
Mangaka don't get a lot either. How much did the KnY mangaka make again?

>>283878814
>>283878929
Why should they be paid more though?
They should work for another company if they want higher pay.
This is the capitalism 101.

>>283878929
10% of every volume sold and some % of merch.
So the author has infinite money

File: Screenshot_2.jpg (54 KB, 530x488)

54 KB JPG

>>283877807
https://x.com/nikkei/status/1991000557574893580

File: file.png (25 KB, 1011x100)

25 KB PNG

>>283877807
It's fucking nothing

It feels like they're close to stamping shit all out and we have to rely on IRC again, which is gonna do a number on scanlation groups.

I don't understand how these retards in power don't get it. I've bought paperback series in full after reading them for free online. If I didn't have the ability to discover and read the story for free in the first place I never would have bought it. There's series that are in my top 5 like Shimeji Simulation that there is no official English release of. Then there's out of print stuff. If I want to read Eden: It's an Endless World I have to buy the paperbacks used for $900? In that the case of something like Shim Sim or Eden it's not even me stealing the content from kodansha or whoever it's literally not even available for me to purchase.

>>283881234
I literally don't even remember how to use IRC.

>>283881408
not that I endorse publisher actions, but it's fucking simple
piracy is advertisement, as long as it's in moderation
a little is good to fan the flames of fandom
too much and it replaces your product
yes, paper manga will always be superior, but it's about the balance, not black/white distinctions

you may now proceed to demonstrate your lack of understanding by lobbing ad hominems at me

>>283881234
How do I IRC?

>>283881408
Those publishers already offer you means to read the series for free. Digital versions are also available for extremely cheap.
You are making up excuses in order to avoid the truth.
https://pocket.shonenmagazine.com/title/00916/episode/387014

>>283881528
I think we mostly agree I don't know why I would fling ad hominems at you. I think it's important to note that there are lots of things that I have read/ am reading that simply does not have an official English release and there are series that are OOP that I can't even read digitally.
>>283881812
I don't read runes. Yes I know I should learn. I have a job and like to spend my free time doing other things.

>>283882155
Then don't complain that the Japanese publishers don't cater to you and work to protect intellectual property of the authors.

>>283882438
if they aren't interested in catering to me, why do they care when I find other ways to read their series?

>>283882679
they don't care about you, they care about preventing piracy.

>>283882438
If you think the Japanese publishers are protecting the authors and not the bottom line for the salaries of their board of directors or whoever then you are ignorant. That aside, if that's the case then they should target popular nip piracy sites not cloudflare as a whole. If they don't want to make something available for me to consoom but trannylator69 will upload it to a piracy site I'm going to keep reading trannylator69s scan. I have multiple thousands of dollars worth of physical manga. Some things are just not accessible for me in the west.

>>283881528
>too much and it replaces your product
Can you give any actual examples where piracy has "replaced" the product? Because any actual study into how much piracy affects products has shown that it's basically negligible or actually increases sales. It's especially a hard argument to make when it comes to anime/manga since the entire overseas market was built upon it and publishers jumped in to profit off of the groundwork fans established. Like the premier anime streaming platform that simulcasts damn near every seasonal anime started as a pirate site for fucks sake.

>>283882975
>Can you give any actual examples where piracy has "replaced" the product?
There isn't an example because we have laws and IP holders will not let piracy get to that point.

>>283882975
It's impossible to prove a pirate would be a paying client if there was no piracy so it's all estimations

>>283878961
No, capitalism 101 is shutting down competition so those underpaid artists have nowhere else to go while exploiting their passion every step of the way to reduce their conditions.

>>283883235
Just work as a freelancers or start your own publishing business. Who is stopping them?
If their work is good (as it should be), it will make money, which they can then invest in making better products.

>>283881234
If it could eliminate those paywalling groups that's a benefit.

>>283882747
why? if they aren't offering me their product, then they aren't losing any sales when I decide to pirate it

>>283878292
>a mangaka is secured to get royalties
It's well known that manga authors literally only receive royalties on tankobon sales and other similar products. You have all these authors, especially for Jump, who have made massive amounts of money and they don't see shit because all the money is in TV, movies, video games, merch, etc. which is where the real money is and the publisher and production commitees take all of it for themselves. Maybe they should actually fairly share what they owe with the people who make the shit that gives them all of their money if they want to talk about fair compensation for creators as a motivating factor. Mangaka should be getting royalties on anything that uses their creations so you don't end up like situations like we have in America where Jim Starlin famously got more in royalties for a quick appearance of KGBeast in Batman vs. Superman than he did for Thanos being used in the Avengers movies because Marvel's always had a stingy royalty policy compared to DC.

>>283878292
I couldn't care less about animators for perpetuating an industry of rampant censorship, especially since the late 2010s.
>b-b-but it was muh dream to andibaterino
If you actually gave a fuck about art you wouldn't be an animator right now until creative integrity and protections for IPs had way more laws in place. Faggots care more about "muh dream" than the actual industry or the soul of the shit they're making being preserved. Fuck 'em.

>>283883453
Another problem that would be solved by cutting off the developing world's internet access.

>>283883544
They are offering you their product. It's not their fault you can't read it.

>>283882975
NTA but that EU piracy study that gets circulated during these discussions broke it down by medium and there were a few cases where piracy had a negative impact on sales - music was one if I'm remembering correctly. It had a positive impact in other areas like books or video games, though, so the report wasn't conclusive on piracy overall.

>>283877807
Wasn't the DMCA invented specifically to prevent platform providers from being held liable for the user-uploaded content they host?
Are we going in the opposite direction, towards "websites must implement draconian surveillance over their users if they don't want to get legally raped themselves whenever a bad actor sneaks into them"?

It's all so fucking tiresome. Fuck them and their product. I was never going to be a paying customer. Make it impossible for me to read their shit, fine, whatever, I'll drop this hobby before it grows any more tumors.

>>283884156
The study is also from a time when digital distribution was still in its infancy and there were few options to sample things.
Manga nowadays sells more digitally than in print.

>>283884322
The DMCA is an American law, contrary to popular opinion they have no relevance to the Japanese judicial system.
And DMCA was never a protection for pure pirate sites.

>>283884322
>Are we going in the opposite direction, towards "websites must implement draconian surveillance over their users if they don't want to get legally raped themselves whenever a bad actor sneaks into them"?
Yes, that's the future of the internet, draconian surveillance and data harvesting.

>>283884323
Do it faggot.
It was always impossible for you to read their manga.

>>283877807
They do this, and then at the same time they implement IP region locks and ask for Japanese phone numbers on registration on their official manga sites.
If you won't let me pay for it, you have no right to prevent me from getting it for free!

>>283884322
The wild west era of the web has been in decline for over a decade now. States and corpos have slowly gained the upper hand in the implementation of censorship and general information control measures. This is your last warning: Buy as may harddrives as you can, fill them with as much backlog as you can, or suffer the consequences when the powers that be decide that they can finally pull the plug.

>>283884668
I don't think Kadokawa, Shogakukan, Shueisha or Kodansha do that. In Kadokawa's case Bookwalker prevents you from browsing the adult section but that's about it.
Kadocomi, Comic Days, MangaOne or all their other sites are open to foreigners.
Line Manga (owned by Naver) is the only site I really had trouble with.

>>283883278
>or start your own publishing business. Who is stopping them?
Money. It costs money to start a business.

>>283883453
If anything it would empower them.

>>283881234
Torrents and IRC will be the law of the land

>>283881528
You're wrong for the same reason most in this discussion are wrong. Because you equate piracy with scanlation, when these are two totally different things when it comes to their effect on profits for the publisher.
Piracy is the raw product being made available, therefore allowing people to access a product that already exists without paying for it. Scanlation, through the value adding service of translation, creates a new product that generally didn't (and often never will) exist. The former can negatively impact the publishers profits while the latter not only provably doesn't, it actually (in a small way) affects it positively.

>>283885578
All scanlation is piracy.
Were all the pirate sites relevant to the lawsuit raw sites?

File: 1759878129557617.jpg (996 KB, 1920x2160)

996 KB JPG

>>283883544
Because then retards flood the author with their worthless criticism. Expecting to be treated as equal with the ones who spend money on it. On top of not writting in japanese and use their disgusting gaijin language.
Piracy would not be a problem if retards knew their place and shut up.
>but muh consumer right
No coomsuming legally? No consumer
Simple

>>283881408
Pay for them, and if you can't sucks for you.

>>283885692
>All scanlation is piracy.
You can repeat it as much as you like, but from a economic perspective it will remain wrong. A scanlation is not an identical product and therefore not the same as piracy of a raw. Slapping piracy on it all and then pretending that makes it the same thing is just you being economically illiterate.

>>283886114
Okay, fine, it's not piracy, it's WORSE, because rather than just violating the right to distribute, you're also violating the right to modify, that's twice the copyright violation!

>>283886207
We're debating the impact on profit, not legality kid. Go back to school.

>>283885715
DLsite allow you to submit your translation and after relatively simple process others can buy it along the original product.
Piracy wouldn't be a problem if people in charge of these companies weren't retarded boomers, if they can make a join lawsuit there is nothing stopping them (except for greed) from making a joined manga client that allow people to submit their translations or even use the AI.
Almost like piracy was always a service problem.

>>283885715
>Because then retards flood the author with their worthless criticism.
Retards talking to the authors about their piracy is another problem that would be solved by cutting off the developing world's access to the internet.

File: file.png (24 KB, 581x236)

24 KB PNG

>>283886260
Profit has nothing to do with it.
They're suing them because they can, and they can because of copyright

>>283881211
Everyone will ignore this and continue doomposting

>>283877849
Why? You're not risking anything, Cloudflare are the ones eating the fine. They're just the middle man.

You'll eventually need some DDOS/rate protection, but there are a few open solutions. Less robust than Cloudflare of course.

>>283883899
We just had an ONA come out with full frontal nudity of a high school girl

>>283885715
>Disgusting gaijin language
There's like 70 ways to say (you) but somehow the language still boils down to caveman speak.
In English "i want to get ramen"
In nip "ramen want"

>>283885715
>Because then retards flood the author with their worthless criticism. Expecting to be treated as equal with the ones who spend money on it
This I agree with. I do pay for the series I like when they are available for me to consoom in English.

>>283886472
>>283881211
I wouldn't doompost but we don't want to see more Cloudflare incentives to become the judges of the content they host so they pick who gets protection and who doesn't. Or if it happens I hope we get open solutions that can replace it with sufficient results.

>>283885715
Sounds like the author's problem.
Just don't use social media.
Are you the kind of woman who goes online and then cries about getting unwanted attention?

>>283887139
Japanese people will lose their citizenship if they don't have a Twitter account. They could just not read posts from foreign accounts, though. A bit trickier if some dumbass is using AI to translate his nonsense to Japanese before dumping it on the author's face.

Funny how jap artists are unaware of what Cloudflare did to Danbooru/Gelbooru 3 months ago

>>283887636
I heard they blocked it after the UK fiasco, did they go back on this?

>>283883278
>Just work as a freelancers or start your own publishing business. Who is stopping them?
Reality. You need a lot of upfront money, AND its a big risk. That's before we even talk about becoming competition and having to worry about sabotage, lawfare or alike.
Also, becoming a publisher is a whole another skillset you need to learn. Being a good publisher has absolutely nothing to do with being a good writer or artist.

>>283883899
>protections for IPs had way more laws in place
Look at that faggot, he wants more arbitrary """copyright""" laws, laugh at him!

>>283886714
Exceptions don't invalidate rules.
>>283887876
Cute strawman, but no, retardbro. I want Japs to actually care about the shit they're making, instead of "ZOMG! CENSORED ADAPTATION OF THING TO MAKE MONEY!" that brings in the swarming locust mass of normalfaggots to ruin the fandom with each release that capitulates to them.

File: termsofservice.jpg (690 KB, 1024x1225)

690 KB JPG

>>283886297
>or even use the AI
LMAO, there are ton of legal AI translation and pirate fags hate it.
Ironically, the scanlation scene is algo getting plagued by AI translation, even moreso on hentai doujins, and pirate fags also hate it.
Most manga and anime pirate fags want paid product quality for free and be treated like someone who paid for it.

>>283877807
kek these retards really don't understand that without piracy their shit has no reach though. It's a self own.

>>283888871
Anime has been on the global market since the fifties
Not japan's fault it reached muttland way later
The only thing piracy helped is to make niche stuff like ecchi harem reach a wider audience back on the early 2000
Gore, nudity and sex was already mainstream on anime globally before the 2000
But harem was something seen as that "weird japanese thing" until then

>>283888953
Wrong. There is no advertising for anime in the states or anywhere else, without piracy they have no reach and if they manage to kill it so will they kill the popularity.
Not a terrible thing for it to go back to being niche but it will indeed become niche again.

>>283886558
Use ipfs, only store metadata in your servers, have people seed for a good cause.

>>283889033
Yes pls, normies have no business watching anime.

>>283889034
That's a completely different delivery model. That said, yes, seeding and open models are badly needed.

They should streamline the "acquire NAS/seedbox" process for normies/retards/lazy people. That'd turn a lot more people into hoarders and keep seeding alive.

File: dragonballkilledmymother.jpg (384 KB, 1024x672)

384 KB JPG

>>283889033
>There is no advertising for anime in the states or anywhere else
There was a time normalfag anime was considered a national menace. If you dont feel is like that rn is because they switched target to seasonal niche anime.

>>283889158
>There was a time normalfag anime was considered a national menace. If you dont feel is like that rn is because they switched target to seasonal niche anime.
wow one whole article driven from an anime that cartoon network picked up. You realize you're proving my point?

>>283878292
animators don't contribute to the creative process of a work so aren't entitled to a share of its value. That's like saying pen makers should have partial ownership of a manga because the mangaka couldn't draw it without a pen.

>>283882975
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W51QlQVWqwQ
That one YT video that was a history of how manga localization started in the US distinctly marked a shift in the mid 2000s when aggregator sites started becoming huge. The Tokyopop CEO mentioned by all previous metrics Gakuen Alice should've been a hit since their shojo titles had been selling like hotcakes and everyone was talking about it as much as other best sellers. It sold like shit and he found out that it had been scanlated and uploaded to Mangafox as THE top download of the site at the time. The vast majority of readers pirating manga treat like like free short form content on YT, TikTok, etc., but the difference is that those platforms actually pay their creators based on views whereas mangaka don't get shit from aggregator site views. How many Youtubers and TikTokers do you think would continue uploading if none of their shorts or video got ad money and they had to solely rely on merch drops or external patreon subscriptions? Manga needs to be treated like a meal, movie, or book, something to be purchased and consumed, and if you don't have the money for it, you don't get more than a preview or time-gated releases.

File: notanimeiguess.jpg (1.32 MB, 1024x1869)

1.32 MB JPG

>>283889186
>Dragon ball is not anime
inb4 neither Pokemon nor Inuyasha and so on

>>283888871
The Japanese have never given much about selling their cultural products outside of Japan, even though for the last 25 years they've more or less been probably the number 2 cultural exporter in the world after the United States.

>>283885537
Sounds good to me.

>>283885537
>IRC
Nobody uses it or knows how to use it.

>Torrents
ISP knows what you're doing.

>but just use a VPN
VPNs are all Eastern European or Israeli honeypots looking to either sell your data, put you in a botnet or report you to your ISP, whichever gets them more money at any given moment.

>>283885578
>you equate piracy with scanlation, when these are two totally different things
>Piracy is the raw product being made available
let us not pretend that official translations don't get uploaded
that is outright piracy, and the point where it replaces the product

>Scanlation, through the value adding service of translation, creates a new product that generally didn't (and often never will) exist. The former can negatively impact the publishers profits while the latter not only provably doesn't, it actually (in a small way) affects it positively.
you are making the exact mistake I pointed out: you generalize
sometimes scanlation helps, sometimes it steals your audience
see this >>283889228

>>283881234
>do a number on scanlation groups
Some of us never left IRC. Now the zooms learn the lessons of the past.

File: 7867969.jpg (10 KB, 250x230)

10 KB JPG

>>283877807
>allows creators to receive fair compensation
>"Are mangaka starving because we take a 90% cut on their royalties? No, it's piracy that's to blame."

>>283884030
if they aren't translating the series, then they don't want me to buy it. if they aren't offering the product in a way in which my demographic can be reasonably expected to be able to enjoy it, then they are in no way affected when said demographic chooses to pirate their product

>>283892603
Should you be allowed to steal a car because you don't have a license?

>>283892458
It's the same cut that authors get worldwide for their books - around 8-10%. They get a fraction of that for localized works because the localization company gets a cut of the royalties. Nice attempt to move the goalposts. Piracy on the level of manga just doesn't exist in any other form of media barring China pirating Pokemon back when there wasn't an official Chinese release. Nintendo only jumped into China for Pokemon after mutliple gens and they predicted enough fans would actually buy the fucking game. Imagine a supposed first world country having the purchasing and pirating habit of thirdworlders. It's entitlement but Burgers in particular chimp out when people use that word.

>>283892713
What the fuck are you talking about?
You can buy a car without having a license.
You're just not allowed to operate the vehicle.

>>283883235
Capitalism 101 is
>be mangaka
>don't like pay and conditions someone else offers you
>quit
>become self employed
>self/web publish
>if you find it nessacary take another job or some sort of side income, cash in hand/no tax if possible
>realise that the world doesn't owe you fair and that you can only expect the best conditions you can make for yourself
Don't fall for the leftist psyop.

>>283892892
So what obstacle exists for people to buy manga?

Oh no 5 sites are gone, now I only have 95 pirate sites to read shit from...
>b-but muh quality
Nah, you have it too nice, we need to go back to the mangafox era.

i suppose it's too soon to tell what effect this will have and we'll need to wait and see what Cloudshit does about its buisness with sites like MD.

>>283885715
What a non-issue
If they're in "their disgusting gaijin language" then the author most likely can't read that shit anyway because for a Japanese person learning English is harder than pushing a boulder up a mountain

>>283892925
International shipping and the language barrier?
Are you for real? Use your fucking head.

>>283887139
Alright where do you think 95% of the marketing for manga is done nowadays?
>Authors should just just leave the platform that their entire publihsing industry is dependent on for marketing or allow retarded foreigners who don't even buy their shit to have melties at them
Retard. All people have to do is pirate and shut the fuck up about it instead of getting their feelings hurt when the 98% of authors that don't benefit from overseas pirating call them out on it.

Just refuse to pay and if they whine cutoff japan.
Nowadays running websites without cloudfire or alternatives is nearly impossible without getting ddos by crawlers.

>>283881408
Publishers don't care about the small titles, for big manga the sales cannibalisation effect is more prevalent and those are their big hits

I don't think this lawsuit in particular is problematic, but with platforms getting ever more legal liability it'll lead to a less free internet and allow for more state control whether legitimate or not

>>283893201
Digital releases have no shipping cost.
Language barrier is just an excuse.

File: Screenshot 2025-11-20 at (...).png (60 KB, 684x650)

60 KB PNG

Should Japanese publishers be forced to offer translations to Chinese, Spanish, English, Hindi, Portuguese, Bengali and Russian just because those languages have more native speakers than Japanese?

>>283877807
I'm loving this. Died, Cloudflare, die.

>>283877807
The japanese don't understand what it means to live in the information age. If it were up to those spiritually-boomer regressive bugmen we would experience a world that would make any authoritarian dystopia blush.

File: 1675288663642.png (21 KB, 802x413)

21 KB PNG

>>283893556
You can always ask Josh to share Kiwiflare with you for free.

>>283877807
>chuckles because i don't read scans
>go to dl a few chappies from filehosts
>they all use cloudflare for verification
oh no, this issue now affects me

File: images (6).jpg (27 KB, 516x387)

27 KB JPG

>>283892784
>Um shut up goy we don't pay our shabbos authors any better!!!
This is how the actually jewish think.

>>283877807
>recognizing CloudFlare's liability for damages
>hopes that this ruling will help prevent pirate sites from misusing CDN
are they and the tokyo court absolutely retarded?

>>283892458
>allows creators to receive fair compensation
and piracy gives compensation to mangaka with what?
assuming pirate fags buys the japanese release is too retarded.

>>283893140
most of them use grook thanks to Elon Cuck. And is through that most of them reslize scanlation exist and tweet how reading an english translation of their manga is illegal because there is not a legal translation.
>but le exposure
exposure does not translate to yens unless gaijins pull a kagurabachi on Japan

>>283895446
They are, given Cloudflare could still appeal and win on the basis that its not their job to actively monitor this kind of stuff.
But honestly, 3M is such a small fee for Cloudflare they might as well pay and make the japs shut up for a while.

>>283892784
>supposed first world country
>supposed
Rich Americans are very rich but American normies are on par with Eastern Europe and the richer parts of Latin America. It's a third world country LARPing as something it's not.
and if they sold at Japanese prices instead of 3x the cost they'd have a lot fewer pirates anyway
t. American pirate

>>283895842
it might be their job under Japanese law
if you're a smart pirate you just use somewhere that doesn't have a Japanese subsidiary, US dominates hosting and has safe harbor protections
but then again maybe Cloudflare has already killed off all its competitors

>>283895973
>American normies are on par with Eastern Europe
This is just not true. Tell me of one American with $800 monthly net wage.

>>283895973
They are selling at the Japanese prices.
Kadokawa's Bookwalker even makes you pay less as a foreigner because they don't include the 10% sale tax.

>>283896103
>$20 an hour
Anon that amounts to roughly $3500 a month.

>>283877807
What's the point of all this piracy posturing when overseas distribution is so poor? English readers have to wait a year or more for a volume thats twice as expensive as a French one (let alone a JP), not to mention the French get far better releases. Of course piracy sites will step in to fill the blatant gaps in demand
Then again fixing that would be expensive and require effort unlike whack-a-moleing one manned piracy sites so we can thank the efficiencies of capitalism

>>283884695
I know you're right, but the potential cataclysm is so widespread I can't even imagine preparing for it.

>>283896104
That is a different product entirely you retard

>>283896104
buying imports is nice if you're either a pirate with a guilty conscience or a j-e bilingual, but most people buying manga are buying translated manga in bookstores (at 2-3x the Japanese price), anon

>>283896216
they get a couple million dollars and some news articles telling people not to pirate, it's all a win as far as they're concerned
What's the downside for them? The number of people genuinely outraged enough to boycott every company filing these suits (when all of them do it) is tiny and just get rolled over into more articles about piracy costing lost revenue

>>283895329
Well to be fair the same could be said for the technologically progressive countires like the UK. Either the internet is free or it's shit. The only difference is that Japan is collectivist in institutions, government, society and individual mentality whereas the UK, or the EU as a political umbrella, is collectivist only in the first three aspects.

>>283896351
This is about Japanese publishers.
Ebooks also aren't thrice as expensive as the Japanese ones.

>>283896018
US screws you in different ways, insane cost of living and a very weak safety net (combined with a sky-high wealth gini), take home pay is higher but good luck keeping it.
Its inequality-adjusted HDI falls between Slovakia and Croatia (and remember that GDP, a meme stat which is very inflated in the US, is 1/3rd of HDI), its life expectancy between Czechia and Panama. When you drill down into how normies live there, it's not nearly as rosy a picture as people think.

>>283896392
I guess do understand it, but I'm just disappointed

>>283896468
There's no such thing as buying an e-book, you're renting a single non-transferable license to read one, after signing a one-sided contract, and are one corporate bankruptcy (and not necessarily of the Japanese publisher) away from losing your collection.

>>283896216
There's no hint that this is somehow about the English market.
Go buy the Japanese or French volumes if you're unhappy with the English ones.

>>283888831
is that choriputa in disguise?

>>283896526
>and are one corporate bankruptcy (and not necessarily of the Japanese publisher) away from losing your collection.
My terabyte of backups says otherwise.

Is there any app that auto-download manga whenever its updated?

>>283895973
Maybe your arguments would hold weight of Americans were equally stingy about going to the movies, throwing money at streamers, buying video games, or its overall consumer culture. The poor LARP is actually embarrassing when ebooks are markedly cheaper and more convenient than physicals as well, yet the American manga market is extremely unbalanced towards the physical side since American pirates hate the idea of paying for something digital.

>>283896527
Hmmm but don't speak Japanese or French. If only there was an affordable, simple way to read my favorite books then...

>>283877807
I thought DNSes and CDNs were covered by safe harbour laws to not be liable for what their service is used for. Especially today when all data is encrypted on transfer and they wouldn't know, anyway

>>283896557
do they actually let you back up the stuff you paid for now? I needed piracy to do that back when I bought legit
>>283896584
Japanese court, safe harbor laws aren't global
(this is why a lot tech companies route everything, even international cases, through California, but maybe the subsidiaries are profitable enough that it's just a cost of doing business to them)

Okay, nyaa.i2p when? My ISP started to block nyaa recently.

>>283896562
Bookwalker lets you automatically download your favorite magazines in their subscription as well as books you preordered. And you can set it to automatically pre-order new entries in a series.

There's a web comic app called Mihon that's supposed to work with a bunch of manga sites but it struggles with paid releases.

>>283896706
>2025
>he still doesn't have a vpn

>>283896639
If you mean DRM content. Then I think not, the last time I tried to buy english manga online they wanted me to pay them for the privilege of reading it on their shitty website and not being able to DL and archive it.
No thanks, I'll stick to rips and scanlations.

>>283897364
Which shop? Almost all have an Android app and several have Windows readers. Some like Amazon or Kobo even have dedicated reader hardware.
DLsite has DRM-free content.

>>283897196
I just use a socks proxy.

File: ehhh.jpg (84 KB, 1280x720)

84 KB JPG

this will surely make pirates buy manga

>>283896468
>Ebooks also aren't thrice as expensive as the Japanese ones.

English-language ebooks do still tend to be more expensive than their Japanese counterparts, though it's usually around two or three dollars more.

File: 59788978.png (24 KB, 176x164)

24 KB PNG

>>283895709
"Piracy hurts the creators!" is a retarded, clueless take. Most people pirate things they wouldn't be able to purchase anyway and usually spread awareness and build communities around them, which creates legitimate interest over time. Do you think manga and anime would grow anywhere as large of an overseas market without a substantial presence of grassroots communities that propped them up during the 00-10es?

>>283897408
NTA, but I assume they mean Bookwalker since their DRM is pretty nasty iirc.

>>283890556
>ISP knows what you're doing
and they don't care

>>283890556
>Nobody uses it or knows how to use it.
If a retard like me can learn to use it, then so can anybody.

>>283897715
This may well be true. However, have you considered that now that these communities have been propped up and exist, the time is ripe to squeeze them for every last nickle, dime and yen to make shareholders and CEOs happy?

>>283897715
>Do you think manga and anime would grow anywhere as large of an overseas market without a substantial presence of grassroots communities that propped them up during the 00-10es?
The most relevant overseas market for manga is France, which has a far longer history with the medium.
Nobody has managed to turn the piracy in the Anglosphere or China scene into a profitable market like they did with anime.
The Japanese pirates that this lawsuit is all about would absolutely be able to purchase manga.

>>283892898
>Don't fall for the leftist psyop.
Like blaming the jews for any of the bad effects of capitalism?
Oh wait...

>>283897721
Bookwalker still lets you download and read offline.
In order to read subscription content you need a connection once per 24h and you're limited to 150 subscription works per device.

>>283897840
there's a difference between "able to purchase manga" and "able to purchase every manga they're keeping up with through pirate sites (and every older title they picked up on a whim)"
individual manga are cheap but I've got like 80 manga on my currently reading list. I can't possibly afford that many, so I stick to buying my faves.

>>283898029
80 manga isn't even a whole lot. With 2 volumes per year you're looking at a dozen volumes each month and with 800 yen per volumes you'd pay to pay 128000 yen or $800 per year.
It would only get expensive if those 80 series were spread across dozens of magazines and you had to buy every issue.
All these publishers have websites where you can read new chapters for free. Kadokawa and Kodansha have subscription services where you can read a dozen of their magazines for under 1000 yen per month.
You could read a lot more by going legit instead of the limited selection pirate sites have.

Japan would benefit from the "chinese firewall".
let them seclude themselves without knowing what the rest of the world does with their digital media. like it used to be. it was way better back then. Japanese media free from global interests meddling.

>>283898173
is this the part where I admit I'm a poor NEET and can't actually afford that expense? Don't think I'm alone in that regard either, hikkiNEET otaku is a stereotype for a reason
(though I do read the free chapters on the websites, so the real cost wouldn't quite reach $800/year. Haven't looked at the magazine subs, maybe they're worth it for my Japan counterparts, but I personally read so slowly in Japanese that I'd rather just buy tanks of my faves to practice on)

>>283898385
Those 800 yen are conservative estimate for buying new print releases in Japan.
With digital you get a lot of basic discounts and extra sales depending on the store and publisher. Paying half or even less is easily doable.
Part of being a hikkiNEET is still spending money on your hobbies instead of other necessities.

>>283898243
This is japanese media meddling in global affairs though.

>>283881812
>Hmmm all my customers are turning to piracy instead of my distribution
>Could my distribution actually be bad?
>That can't be right my customers must just be evil

>>283898243
The great firewall is a coward's concept and you're a fucking lameass cretin for advocating it.

Can I download manga from these official, legal sites?
If not, I'm not interested. I don't want to pay only for the right to view something on a website for a restricted period of time.

>>283899285
If I told you they do you'll just get another excuse.
It really depends on which service you're talking about. Volumes and issues you purchase are yours to read and download, even when they are no longer available for sale.
Chapters may also be available that way but there's also services that let you read by watching ads or limiting you to a chapter per day and those usually have a time limit of 3 days.
Subscription services are obviously limited by time but will still allow you to download and read offline to some degree.

>>283899937
>If I told you they do you'll just get another excuse.
Why do you think so? Right now I'm not even pirating any manga.

>>283900008
Because that's the typical response.
Just look at all the fags claiming they're entitled for free content because they can't read a common language and all the suckers that learned it should pay.

>>283900060
"pirate everything and buy whatever you like enough" is the best equilibrium to balance the interests of creators and those of the general public

>>283878195
>This is so hypocritical
Japan on the whole doesn't care about the bottom line, it's all about controlling the audience. The fact that they can't control western manga consumption through direct or proxy pisses them off.
It's not just manga, it's everything Japan from video games, card games and even instruments and hardware. Everything is OEM, vertically integrated so they control YOU.

>>283900060
>Just look at all the fags claiming they're entitled for free content
A lot of isekai is published as for-free online web manga. Kadokawa then uses AI to translate it to English and wants you to pay them to read it.

>>283900151
Pirating manga is a severe limitation. Most titles are only available if you pay.

>>283878961
>daft capitalist apologist clueless to the reality gives advice of "just do thing bro its that simple"
water is also wet

>>283900189
Only a limited number of chapters are viewable for free.
Nobody is forcing you to read in English, just stick to the Japanese version.

File: kingom_027.png (127 KB, 383x229)

127 KB PNG

>>283892784
>It's the same cut that authors get worldwide for their books - around 8-10%
That explains why literature nowadays is sweatshop ghostwriters producing mountains of cheap slop for slave wages. I for one agree with anon and can't wait for all manga to fall in line with these global standards.

>>283900619
>Only a limited number of chapters
The majority are free. Only new chapters get paywalled, and chapters become free if there's a physical release (which used to involve dropping censorship and adding stuff).

>>283900754
Which site are you talking about?
>physical release
Everything has a simultaneous digital release these days. A lot of series don't get print releases any more.

>>283877807
Not my problem. Still gonna pirate all my manga and anime.

>>283881408
they think the entire world has internet cafes and libraries, where you can read shit for free

>>283892163
This. Fansites and IRC and the like existed before there were official options for most things. Then major community hubs and streaming services became common and casual and convenient, and you didn't need fansubs anymore.
Now all of the services that used to be convenient are becoming enshittified by AI and the like, and the younger anime fans don't know what to do, while millenial weebs remember that the old ways still have power.

>>283902254
You don't even have that in all of Japan. Manga Café aren't free either.
What they do however have is official sites that let you read for free and those are available fairly world wide.

>>283897786
you just underestimate how retarded are the actual retarded people

>>283892458
The cut they get for their tanks is fine. The problem is that unless they're an Oda or Toriyama level of creator they don't get shit from the 99% of other stuff that actually makes all the money.

>>283900803
Narou

>>283886558
Bro, Hikari no Akari was killed due to them deciding to use Cloudflare.
The owner of HnA was advised against it and he instantly got C&D when he use it.

>not investing anything into your ip or the company
>WAAAAAAAAH WHY AM I NOT GETTING MILLIONS FROM THE SALES
Kill yourselves retards.
Buy into your own shit if you want money ala sao, city hunter, hxh, slime authors.

>>283905586
See
>>283895455

Cloudflare should not exist.

>>283898243
Suspiciously Chinese or Korean post.

>>283881234
>IRC
>for anything other than text
You are 12 and just discovered IRC so it became your new personality until the next year but (unfortunately) it doesnt work like this

>>283881234
XDCC bots are way more brittle than websites. It's literally just some dude paying for a vps that's in the open, you can easily contact providers to try to get them shut down. At least CF offered protection.

They should just not pay. What is Japan going to do, ban Cloudflare? fucking lmao, I'm sure the populace will LOVE having half the internet cut off and will definitely vote for their re-election.

I sometimes wonder if broadly advertising where and how to get all manner of manga/translations etc (all the sites, all the alternatives sites, pretty much everything) on reddit will ever ensue in KADOKAWA just conveniently, you know, plucking at them one at a time.
>Thanks reddit!
Maybe it's best not to chronicle and make perfectly transparent everything...

>>283907320
Ever heard of XDCC? Lmao

>>283895348
the site still gets DDoS'd pretty often

>>283908605
>What is Japan going to do, ban Cloudflare
Yes, and there are multiple Chinese and Korean companies that would love to fill in the space left behind.

>>283889034
>just use the protocol that downloads CP to your hard drive
Your post glows too much.

Hmm, the biggest pirate sites should get ready to switch CDNs. Wouldn't hurt if torrents are made from the those sites too. Btw, never trust US companies. Torrenting and seeding is the most robust method even now