>immortality bad!
It would make you pretty nihilistic, unless you got to spread what it was about you, to make others immortal.
Deathism is such an NPC take. I really hate how stupid people are.>>284047387This is much more reasonable. Immortality isn't inherently bad. It only sucks if everyone you care about is mortal.
>>284047387alucard was nihilistic even before the vampire shit
>>284047354Depends on your personality type. Alucard certainly seems to enjoy himself going around killing people for instance. Some people just wouldn't be able to handle it while others would. I think a generic "immortality good/bad" just never works because it's all dependent on your environment. Personally I would love to be immortal but I know people who are the opposite and wouldn't be able to handle their loved ones dying of old age before them
A bad person being immortal is bad, yes.
>>284047470cc was just a miserable peasant girl though
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1764179878740843.mp4
Immortality's only bad if it's the kind where you can't die even if you end up in an absolutely tortuous situation with no hope of escape
>>284047583You haven't outlived enough people to know better.
>>284047354Hellsing depicts immortality as 100% based with literally no major downsides, Alucard was a monster before he became a vampire. Seras has no issues.
>>284047354I unironically would not want to be immortal. But if someone gave me the ability to live to 800 years, I would be happy. Anything more than that sounds like a pain
>>284047624>Seras has no issuesif integra told her to kill that swat team she would have done it
>>284047354This. What if you were in a dire situation where an honorable death was the better option?
>>284047354What CC hated was not her immortality, but having no one by her side. That's why she seems so happy at the end of Re;surrection.
Immortality is good in Baccano but they're also not alone in their immortality, they have their friends become immortal with them.
>>284047765>Re;surrection.people actually watched that garbage?
>>284047669So what? The SWAT guys followed orders too.
>>284047950>people actually watched that garbage?Its her actual character from the show, her geass would make people love her blindly and madly and eventually it progressed to an always on state so she was isolated further by unwilling sycophants en masse. Her social isolation and loneliness issues predate her being immortal.
>>284047354>immortality boring!
Immortality = unlimited sex
>>284047354Immortality without superpowers is a curse.Immortality with superpowers is a blessing.Immortality with superpowers and loving Tulpa wife is a paradise.
>>284047354C.C was miserable though atleast she's not alone anymore
>>284047387Surely immortality is basically the antidote to nihilism. Nothing matters when you die and you'll be forgotten functionally instantly, not that being forgotten even matters to a dead person because nothing matters. I don't think theirs inherent nihilism to mortality but idk, the threat of death does put a damper on any long term plans you might have and any meaning you might ascribe to the goals you fulfill.
>>284047354Immortality is good only if you can decide when to die
>>284047354Consider this anon, eternity bad!
>there are people that think experiencing this hellish world is for eternity is a good thing
Hellsing doesn't really do the "Immortality bad" thing, though. I only remember Alucard saying that immortality doesn't really exist and people calling themselves "Nosferatu" are pretenders who clearly don't even know what it means. Alucard instead just has this romanticized obsession with men slaying monsters and he's waiting for someone worthy to rise up and give him what he thinks he deserves. But he seems to be over that by the end of the series.
>>284048407the nazi werewolf seemed to be sick of immortality
>>284048407>people calling themselves "Nosferatu" are pretenders who clearly don't even know what it means.They're literally artificially created vampires and he knew it from the get go because real vampires are way different.
>>284048341It is when you have enough power, agency and general ability to enforce your own will onto the world around you.
>>284047628Why 800 years exactly?
>>284047354Except with CC it's subverted and she wants to live by the end of the show
I think someone truly immortal would just slowly learn to stop responding to all stimuli and reach a state that's not far off from death.
>>284047669So would Walter (before becoming a vamp). Pip didn't have any issues killing people either.
>>284048326She changes her tune at the end of the series.
Immortality is cool, just find something fun to do.You could learn martial arts and play the piano, both to an expert level in one life, while also knowing how to sail the seas and speak several languages and become a great artist.And if you happen to be smart too, there are so many things you can learn.>but I'd get bored at year 109969Find something fun to do.The only downside are the mechanics of death which is what everything discusses. Nobody would want to live while unable to move for all eternity.
If I was immortal I would make my mission to protect mankind.
>>284047354Gets bad when heat death of the universe.
>>284051021You die alongside the universe.Think hard about what the heat death of the universe entails
>>284051021>not fighting the heat death of the universeAlso according to new data it may be possible we end up in one big crunch.https://ras.ac.uk/news-and-press/research-highlights/universes-expansion-now-slowing-not-speedingYou guys would live really boring eternal lives. I'm >>284050969 and I know I would have my hands full for the rest of eternity, just by tardwrangling humanity.
Any kind of "you can't die no matter what" immortality breaks the universe in such a way that allows you to simply make new planets and starts over the course of time by generating mass and electrical signals from nothing. Always take these, they're great even if you may experience some insignificant amount of personal suffering.Biological immortality is also pretty swell, but you WILL be hit by a bus.Digital immortality isn't immortality and does not apply.
>>284051291>Digital immortality isn't immortality and does not apply.
>>284050969>protect mankind by removing faith and plunging the galaxy into a stagnant hellhole by being a terrible father
>>284047354retards forget that just as you will get infinite happiness you will also experience infinite torture
>>284051514He tried his best. And even to this day, shards of him are battleling the Choas Gods and doing miracles.
>>284050260What a bizarre thing to believe.
>>284047354alucard doesn't really give a shit about the immortality part of being a vampire.
>>284047624Importantly, Alucard isn't just immortal, he has a variety of other superpowers that make him unfuckable. A regular immortal can just be encased in cement and thrown in the bay like Dallas Genoard in Baccano!
>>284047354if it means suffering faggota like OP forever then yes
"Immortality is the state of mind. Life and death are only words." - Doggy from LoL
>>284047354kek'd at that face anatomy
>>284054620Be careful what you wish for others so the mirror spell won't hit you anon!
>>284047354Asimovs story about immortality made me realize its pretty bad indeed
>>284051754nta but I think it's way more bizarre to think you'd stay mentally sound. Watching everyone you know and love die for centuries definitely seems like it would dull your emotions and eventually you'd just detach yourself to stop making connections and we already know humans literally go insane when they don't have anyone to interact with. The human mind is fragile and there's no way it would be able to handle multiple centuries.
>>284050969
>>284047354Technically, Alucard wasn't immortal, he just had gorillion spare lives on top of being stupidly powerful. That is, until he got Schrodinger'd into true immortality.
>>284047354If it's immortality in the sense that you just don't age but can die in other ways then it's fine. If it's complete and total immortality then that sounds like hell. I doubt humanity is still going to be a thing in another millennia or two. There's going to be some world war or calamity that makes humans go extinct and you'll still be alive waiting millions and millions of years on a lonely planet hoping intelligent life sprouts again or aliens find you. That's not even mentioning how you'll experience the death of the planet and probably end up burning in the sun for eternity after it swallows the Earth
>>284055462>>284054928 See? Problem solved. And the tulpa's free!
>>284047354I dunno man I'm still barely in my 30s and already feel nearly everything in life becoming less enjoyable. Sensory pleasure stops feeling as good as you grow desensitized to it, media becomes less entertaining as you grow to have seen and heard every trope before. And that's just your personal perception of the world getting worse, it doesn't even factor in the world itself also getting objectively shittier over time. Several more decades in that direction, coupled with the knowledge that every other living thing I might ever got close to will be guaranteed to wither and die before me, and I could easily imagine myself just wanting to be done and die.That's assuming you even can die. True, never ending life that keeps going for eternity would be a hell of literally infinite suffering, unless you manage to just go completely insane and stop experiencing coherent thoughts and emotions, or somehow ascend to Godhood.
>>284048297>>284047439Nihilism among immortals much like it is among mortals is fundamentally a skill issue.
This is the only way to make a "Immortality bad" story not totally boring, imo.
Immortality boring until it's gruesome
>>284054869>is Yogiri vs Shallow Vernal a stalemateI haven't read all of Instant Death, but if Yogiri isn't something beyond just "a character that can kill anything", then Shiro wins this one. She's an entity on a plane that is higher than one occupied by story's characters and fundamentally unreachable from below, just like the author is fundamentally unbeatable by his characters, even if said character is written as capable of beating the author. In a way, her being a manifestation of the Epilogue can be understood literally - she's not just the end of all in-verse creation, but the end of the actual story containing said universe.If Yogiri wins a card game by having a deck full of "win instantly" cards, then Shiro wins by shooting the opponent. If Yogiri wins a PvP match by using a cheated unbeatable character, then Shiro wins by wiping out other person's account. Her gimmick isn't being the absolute being of her universe (she actually kills one, by the way), her gimmick is being outside of the scope of characters, so she can take any character sheet and toss it into a shredder, and any scribbles like "Shiro can't destroy this sheet" on it simply lack a way to enforce their claims.On top of that, she can even bring back the characters she ended and rewrite them, so she really seems to be something halfway between a character and the author.
>>284047354Immortality would make it functionally impossible to operate in modern society.How do you get a job, bank account or even a home without an ID and how do you get an ID without raising suspicion that you are immortal
>>284055562Sounds like narcissism. You haven't seen nearly as much as you think and things change faster than you'll admit.
At what point are you going to have to learn post Gen Beta lingo in order to be comprehensible to English speakers?
All I'm saying is if they hook up a TV with some anime and give me a buzzer to ring when I don't like the anime and want a different anime, I'm fine with them tossing my distorted body into the burning chamber to use me as a source of energy.I'm more okay with it if they give me morphine, even, but it's not required.
>>284048297>>284055605If I was immortal I'd be less nihilist if anything, I'd just fuck around and have fun.
I don't go outside and anime girls are immortal, I really don't see much of a downside to the prospect.
>>284051021What if you're a hourai elixir kind of fag, you just scatter around for eons until finding something interesting?
>>284051021this is why you can't really treat the prospect too seriously. Hard to be infinite in a finite universe.
>>284051021But what if one of your excretions causes another big bang, causing universe 2 electric boogaloo
>>284056601He's right that modern/zoomer media is shit thoughever
>>284054928Make a Tulpa and she will be immoral with you. Simple.
>>284056186Shilo always wins.If she can't, she wins anyway.
>>284056186>>284060026Nah yogiri's not a dude with the power to kill, he's the living embodiment of the concept of non-being itself. Death's just the closest analogue people associate to whatever the fuck he does to people, since yeah corpse-leavers will leave behind a corpse, but that's just correlation.-If he wants to kill a concept, he can and it won't come back - think muv luv g-bombs, he can enact the localized cessation of phenomena-If he wants to kill just a part of you, or an aspect of you, he can. Poof, your vision is 'dead', the actual state of your physical body is irrelevant-If your are a being that instantly regenerates, or has no physical form, or exists beyond the boundaries of whatever dimension he resides in, it does not matter, because conceptual nonexistence does not depend on biological functions, or spiritual cycles, or metaphysical boundaries-And when you 'die' to him, there is literally nothing left, or any revocation. Souls don't go anywhere, there's nothing to resurrect; future sight and the like won't even recognize an avoidable threat, the moment it's been decided you'll just keep seeing 'and then they died' at the exact point the continuity of their existence is erasedHe's an eldritch horror initially disguised as a walking death note
>>284047354It is bad. Reincarnation is better.
Immortality bad. Or good? Maybe? idk
Immortals should only care about aesthetics.
>>284048326Eternity is fun with the power of friendship
>>284047354Too many people, as is evident by nearly every post in this thread, conflate immortality with invulnerability. Being immortal just means you never age and could theoretically live forever if you lived a safe life, but you can still be killed just as easily as any normal person can. Being immortal is ideal because you get to live for as long as you want to live, centuries or even thousands of years, and then call it quits and off yourself when you're finally bored of living. Being invulnerable on the other hand would suck, because you can't die at all in that case. I blame fiction for mixing the two, and now everyone thinks that being immortal = you can never die. Immortality, by its original definition, is ideal, and the only potential downsides to it are overpopulation but that's already an issue now so even then it doesn't bring up any new issues.
>>284047354"Yes"
>>284047911They also have an out if they want it.
>>284051514Don't forget to turn all of mankind into a bunch of techphobic idiots.
>>284060626>>284060026>>284056186Megami Yokatta beats them both. There never was, were or will be a being capable to defeat her. It is described in reality itself. She sparked begining of all beginings, the existence of anyone capable to be danger to her is impossible. She can end everything, everywhere, in any time or even beyond time and space. She automaticly counters any ability used against her but she don't have to because no one is able to posses or create such ability. Thanks Goddess that she is benelovent and kind. Soon she will heal our world.
>>284054592remember the people who think DIO could beat Alucard?
>>284056456That's addressed in some 20th century vampire stories. They get a string of false identities, move around a lot, have had centuries to build up connections in high places and get henchmen covering for them, etc.
>>284047439>It only sucks if everyone you care about is mortal.Which is 99% of the trope. Immortality is not bad, being left behind (everyone dies) is the bad part. That why immortals are depicted as loners. "why bother forming bonds that will end" etc etc etc.>>284047354Immortality ALONE sucks. You need it paired with eternal Youth AND Regeneration. CC "Summon extra organs" from the World of C Alucard is not immortal, he just had a ridiculous high stock of life (before becoming a Shrodinger's Paradox)
>>284047354It's only good when I do it
"I totally wouldn't loose it" - sez a cocksure idiot without any idea what he's talking about.
>>284061696I know what you mean, but immortal has always had multiple interpretations. It come from the latin word immortalis, which is the opposite of mortalis.
>>284047354(You) have an immortal soul though, every person has. (You) are also free to choose the good immortality or the bad immortality through your actions here on Earth
>>284048774That was less being sick of immortality and more all the Nazi forces being battle freaks wanting glorious deaths in battle
>>284054928Nothing about immortality prevents you interacting with people.Loved ones dying is sad, but it's also very normal and people get over it. It doesn't prevent them forming new relationships unless they were already mental. It doesn't dull your emotions: people who are hurt often choose to ignore their emotions because dealing with them is painful.
>>284047354Alucard never had a problem with immortality, the problem is being a fucking vampireCC felt alone because everyone kept betraying her and leaving her alone again. Or were people like Mao, corrupted by the geass
>>284047950keep crying Kallenfag
Alucard never was "OH WOE IS ME". He basically is reincarnated Satan more or less and his mentality was that he would gladly die to a truly worthy opponent in his eyes.Problem was such opponent doesn't exist lol.
>>284062516This website is 18+.
>>284051045>You diewhat part of immortality don't you get?
the thing i hate about "immortality bad" is that they never acknowledge the privilege of never having to fear for you life and tommorow, never being anxious about your next meal ever again, that alone is more than enough to be envious of, countless people would trade their constant fear and anxiety and neurosis for abject boredom in a heartbeat and none of these stories ever acknowledge that which is why they feel like stories about obscenely wealthy people talking down to you about the woes of being absurdly rich and how it ruins the joy of life for them and how they envy mortalityno fuck you, i want to worry and agonize over the purpose of life and existence instead of whether i get to eat tomorrow or die on the cold streets next month, fuck off.
>>284047624>>284047354>immortality bad!*only if afterlife exists
>>284055605Indeed, good chap.
>>284047354As of recent events. Yuji is definitely not liking the immortal life
Media always make put immortality as this fucking horrible thing that eventually ruins a person. But like, you are just an animal with base drive, that drive isnt going away. You will basically be doing the same thing 2000k years into the future because thats just how your biological brain is wired. You monkey brain will eventually get over negative things.
>>284048297This. You can basically outdo everyone in absolutely everything, why be nihilistic?
>>284047354If mortality is good, then why don't people want to die when they are 20 years old?
>>284047354The chinks got this one right, immortality is amazing (unless it's one of those "gotcha" variants that's literal torture, obviously). Others can stay mortal and die if they want, but don't push that shit on me.
>>284068542>You monkey brain will eventually get over negative things.Maybe if you are a soulless 80IQ< retard, that only needs the most base instincts to attain happiness. For any normal person, it would be unbearable the long they keep going.
>>284054898How Can Mirrors Be Real When Our Eyes Aren't Real
>>284071569Congratulations on being a soulless 80IQ< retard and completely missing the point of my post.
>>284051125Thats just a meme
>>284068542>You will basically be doing the same thing 2000k years into the futuresounds terrible
>>284055653Underwater Ray Romano had immortality as a punishmentGet turned into slime that suffers from eternal hunger
>>284068542Imagine being immortal and still paying taxes
>it would make you nihilistic How the fuck would you even know if you’re not immortal?
>>284066017You are not smart enough to talk about the heat death of the universe
>>284047441Getting raped by a hairy turkroach will do that to you
>>284071569if that was the case, nobody would live past 40as working everyday for half of your life should absolutely break a person
>>284072410So is the heat death
>>284062689Dio has a decent shot and the means to kill him down to his last life. Alucard basically can't touch Dio, either.
>>284051045You ought to think about what it means.An immortal fundamentally invalidates the idea of the system tending towards maximum entropy.
yeah, immortality bad
>>284074980It would have turned out to be a decoy Alucard in the end, like he's known to use. Then Dio would get distracted and shot in the head once which would absolutely kill him since Polnareff almost did. I don't even see people disputing that Dio has a shot at victory if things go completely his way and and he doesn't screw up/get paranoid + Alucard acts a bit out of character, it's just the justifications they provide that are dubious.
Do you complain about the Highlander movies too, OP?
>>284047354Didn't CC come around on immortality?
>>284065896Humanity just needs to start producing stronger specimens who are also virtuous and pure of heart enough to be worthy of killing him. Science was going to keep advancing anyway even past Anderson's base abilities as a regenerator.
>>284073198You are still doing it in the endless reincarnation even in the afterlife you will just repeat endless anyway, well hopefully you are a believer of oblivion instead
>>284049210too much of any and you become a pathetic despotthe only reason you could sustain a meaningful interplay of ego, interest, and vitality is that you continually pursue something. Being a Gilgamesh like ruler would turn you into an ever more capricious libidinal robot.Imagine: being a math autist forever
>>284081840Those are just problems to be overcome, it's pathetic to just throw it away because it's easier
>>284073656I mean, we can't say either way, because no one can be immortal, hence the debate
>>284047354How tf did you get that from C.C, she was literally just tired
>>284047765Lelouch has no idea what he got himself into.Marriage is a vow until death, but both of them are immortal.He didn't make a lifelong vow. He made an eternal vow.He's stuck with CC until the stars expire.
>Immortality is crazyness
>>284047354Hellsing wasn't anti- immortality, it was anti throwing away your humanity.
>>284047354This trope is just pic related
>>284082707Alucard is human though.He has all the essential components of being human.Having vampiric powers doesn't do anything to strip him of his humanity.It's always poetic nonsense.
>>284047354You might get abducted and experimented on by the CIA to make an immortality pill for the jews; or you might be enshrined in Japan, or live like an hermit or a war hero, or a great king. It all depends on the time and place you end up being.I think there are many variables to make a judgement on whether immortality is good or bad.
CC was just personally sad to be forever alone and Alucard was slightly mellowed out genocidal tyrant.Once CC got her immortal Lelouch she was happy and Alucard is fine with waiting forever for humanity to produce worthy warrior to end him.
>>284047354Immortality would suck though, what happens when the sun explodes, what happens when all the red dwarfs finally burn out, what happens when everything is just cold ass iron and rock in pitch darkness for trillions upon trillions of years as the black holes evaporate. No fucking thanks.
>>284083552Alucard can will himself out of existence at that point.
>>284047354But Alucard didn't think that way.I don't know what about that bitch on the left. Cose Gayass sucked to the point I fought not to fall asleep on every episode.
>>284047354In the case of immortality just create an Amnesia machine that would wipe away the build up of emotions/psychological baggage so basically you are a new person every time while insuring that true death never happensIn the case of a universe that is about to end no matter what then find some way to leave your brain in a state of non-activity so you can't think therefore are in eternal unconciousness.
>>284083552Literally just transcendhttps://youtu.be/RbCerMBxUFM?si=d_DIUXHZv97CRxts
>>284083623Fuck off tranny how would cutting my dick off help?
>>284083552"I will enjoy peace, and wait, for the cycle to begin again."(c)
>>284048143i can see that>>284048306true>>284083615>find some way to leave your brain in a state of non-activitybby's first contact with hard jhanas
>>284051754Eventually Anon stopped thinking...
>>284068542Trvke! The key is "I forgor".
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>>284081967there is no overcoming reality no matter how much you change
>>284047624Integra is retarded if she doesn't let somebody turn her, her two best friends are immortal vamps, all her family is already dead, and she's definitely going straight to hell when she dies.
