This single panel contradicts everything we know about demons. It's never acknowledged by anyone and is instantly forgotten. This shit is not intricately planned. It's just bad writing.
You're mentally ill
>>284048608You are correct.
>>284048608trvke
>>284048673>>284048849The duality of /a/
>>284048673Frierentards are.
>>284048673FPBP
>>284048608You are correct, but your focus and the attention you dedicate to this is not healthy.
>>284048608What do we know about demons?
>>284050022That they don't show the behavior in the picture.
>>284050200But it's shown on the picture
>>284050751Yeah and everything before that established that they didn't.
>>284050200Where is it explicitly stated that they don't interact with their own kind?
>>284050787Well, you learn something new every day
>>284048608Demons have every emotion except like empathy
>>284050833Nice reductionism. It's stated that they don't feel emotions like empathy despite the fact that this demon clearly cares enough about this random demon that it wants them to praise them. Everything about the way that the demons are written in Frieren is so retarded and contradictory.
>>284050891Narcissists are know for their high empathy after all.
>>284050930>"Demons only communicate to deceive.">Seconds later, shows demons communicating with each other, to share information, with no humans in earshot.The demons writing is retarded. Come on now. You can't actually be defending this.
>>284050891>It's stated that they don't feel emotions like empathythis demon isn't showing empathy though?>despite the fact that this demon clearly cares enough about this random demon that it wants them to praise them. because demons are hierarchical and it wants to be acknowledged as more powerful by a demon more powerful than itself
>>284050985maybe Frieren's just not an objective source then
>>284051002>this demon isn't showing empathy though?So it cares enough about what this demon thinks that it wants them to praise them? But they supposedly don't have empathy? It's stated that they have friendships like how Soltair says but they don't have empathy? How does this make any fucking sense?
>>284051057You don't know what empathy means.
>>284051018There's a blindingly obvious distinction between these contradictions being shown on screen and actually being acknowledged by the characters and story. I shouldn't have to explain this.
>>284050985So what was that empathy stuff about
Is this the want faggot who's been making threads about this for months?
>>284051095Same faggot*
>>284050985>"Demons only communicate to deceive."is this said about demons toward demons or demons toward humans?
>>284051126Doesn't matter. They said "only use language to deceive". They're using it for something other than deception; which means it directly contradicts what Frieren says.
>>284051166This fucking retard would definitely get eaten by demons.
>>284051073Out of arguments already?
>>284051166>Doesn't matterAdmission that you see what you want to see instead of employing objective information received to piece together a conclusionThanks for playing better luck next thread
>>284051208Not him, but you genuinely don't know what that word means. You can want praise without empathy. Narcissists are prime examples of this.
>>284050022That OP wants to fuck then
>>284051208There's no argument to be had with someone that refuses to view things correctly.You "argue" like a woman
>>284051272>People who refuse to view things correctly You mean >I'm not just automatically believing the same things as you like a retard
>>284051232It's really impossible to not come to this conclusion when it's spelled out for you on the page directly; retard.
>>284051293Belief has no place in the objective definitions of words
>>284051328There are no objective definitions to words. They're made up.
>>284051316You need to read between the linesDo you ever see demons speaking a native language?
>>284051408What lines are there to read between? They said one thing and immediately contradicted it. The fact that they don't have their own language is retarded.
>>284050891Mangaka don’t really know how to write sociopath characters for long before their restraint gives out and its back to old manic yelling villain tropes
>>284048608I don't hate you for spamming this because I don't really hang out in Frieren threads so I haven't really seen you bring it up, but you're objectively right.In one hand, demons are supposed to basically be humanoid mimics whose entire personality is just a way for them to trick humans. Their words are supposed to be empty and a fantasy equivalent to animals that imitate something in order to hunt their prey.On the other hand this clearly only works towards humans when the plot demands it and they display emotions otherwise, and have actual distinct personalities.
>>284051456I understand it perfectly. It's not my fault you're incapable of wrapping your head around it
>>284051479This entire thing is massively pushed by right wing reactionaries using Frieren as some political compass test.
this kills the speedreader
>>284051316What does the demon language sound like
Would a sociopath feel schadenfreude and toy with an incapacitated oppoenent or would they kill their victims asap because they’re nuisances
>>284051615>Why don't they limit their Mana to hunt better >They can't because uhh...Holy fuck not even the mangaka can come up with a reason for the demons' stupidity and how badly portrayed they are.
>>284051740You can't even thoroughly read panels that are directly spoonfed to youyou're functionally a braindead monkey
>>284051785>The thought doesn't occur to them because it just doesn't okay>They're ambush predators and yet show their Mana which makes them easily detectable because uhhhAmazing world building.
>>284051864anon, try not speedreading shit next timei believe in you
>>284048608Demons can empathize with other demons just not humans
The big problem is that this manga is so bad at showing any kind of emotion at all that any single instance of it can be hard to actually parse. Seriously for the whole stupid thing it's like no one can emote anything more than a bemused "....eh"
>>284051921>They can't just hide it when they're hiding and then unhide it around each other because uhhh
>>284051582I have seen it. The amount of election tourists and /pol/ refugees on /a/ ranting about the trans boogeyman, if something is woke or not and similar things is absurd, but on this I think he's right since its shown inconsistently.
>>284051679Bags of sand
>>284051316>we learn human language to decieve>>284051615>no we won't hide our mana to decieve
>>284052217>decieveYou can't even spell a word that is right on the panel, I don't trust your reading comprehension
>>284052524>ad hominem
>>284048608You already made this thread some time agoYou got BTFO hard and shown to be an annoying autist that takes everything literally
>>284052567>You got BTFO hardWhere exactly? Nothing about the demons makes any sense. That certainly wasn't disproven.
>>284048608Flamme and Frieren are simply wrong about demons and their nature
>>284048608>>284050891>this demon clearly cares enough about this random demon that it wants them to praise themWe can't be sure about it. The demon could be practicing human language and said that disingenuously creating an interpretative conundrum.
>>284052554Not a single mistake this time, keep it up!
>>284052864I just don't get why the feel the need to over explain things to where they basically trapped themselves into a corner. Demons don't need a justification to be assholes because they're fucking demons and demons are assholes. Has the anime industry really been so polluted by KWAIII PRETTY WAIFU DEMON GIRL that this is such a hard concept?
>>284052904Good answer. Just because an animal mimics human action doesn't mean it is getting the same thing out of it.
>>284052609everything about demons made sense. you're just taking things in extreme value like a retard
>>284053244>"Demons only communicate to deceive.">Seconds later, shows demons communicating with each other, to share information, with no humans in earshot.
>>284050891They care about showing off their skills. What they don't give a shit about is life and wellbeing. Say, if Revolte had died in front of the demon, it would have shrugged and left. No mourning, no desire for revenge, just an apathetic acknowledgement that they needed to git gud.
OP is a demon faggot and should kill himself
>>284053419Yet they cared enough about them to want their praise? Soltair also said she hated the demon king's war because it killed her friends.
>>284051951It's because the artist is a woman who has never gotten into a fight in her life. She has no idea what pain/fighting feels like. So pain literally does not exist in this setting.
>>284053905Do you think Donald Trump cares about people he demands respect from
>>284054110>who has never gotten into a fight in her life.How do you know this
>>284053905She lied. Everything demons say/do is a lie if it doesn't fit the "demons are objectively evil" narrative.
>>284054148Because nobody shows any emotion when fighting in this manga. Compare this to Baki, a manga drawn by a fighter and filled with emotion.
>>284051968nta but those panel LITERALLY tell you that demons DO hide their mana temporarily when the situation calls for it. They just don't limit their mana ALL THE TIME like Frieren and co do.
>>284054110>>284054148>>284054180It's not even about the fights. The normal every day casual stuff is bland as fuck too. Everyone just has the same muted cadence no matter what their personality or shtick is supposed to be.
These threads are made by the same mentally ill anon who does not argue in good faith. They will purposefully misrepresent facts and details for their "argument" that they are smarter than the woman who wrote the story. Its pathetic.
>>284054180So to enhance your earlier statement, nobody shows any emotion in this manga because the artist has never been in a fight, therefore nobody shows any emotion in this manga. Do I have this correct?
It's been a while since I've read the manga, I'd like a refresher>do demons require killing humans to live, like for food?>do demons have an evil gene that compels them to kill humans?
>>284054246I see, the artist have never lived too, as expected from a woman
>>284054302yes and yes
>>284054285>nobody shows any emotion in this manga because the artist has never been in a fightFuck, I mean nobody shows any emotion in this manga therefore the artist has never been in a fight
>>284054302yes and no
>>284054302Demons are highly evolved monsters that prey solely on humanThey started as monsters that can only mimic the cries of humans to lure them in and have since evolved to more intricately mimic them as a form of survivalthe reason retards fail to grasp this concept is because they won't let go of the idea that demons came from an outside society, when in fact their evolution is strictly tied alongside humanity
>>284054302kind of and yes
>>284054404>>284054338It's stated that they don't even need to eat humans to survive and Frieren calls this an excuse when a demon says that's why they killed someone.
>>284054438Misinterpreted, post proof
>>284054302They can likely live without eating humans like humans are omnivores but prefer meat. As far as we know, yes.
why are people arguing about fanfiction (English translation)
>>284054302Nope. Demons can survive off other food like apples. Demons do have an innate desire to kill humans so ingrained they never even think to question it.
>>284054539>Why would you continue to kill humans if you wish to coexist with them>Why would you ask me such a question?Holy fucking shit lmao. Not even the manga is capable of answering this retarded plot point. It's so obvious how the writer has no idea what they're doing.
>>284054637it's almost like this character is supposed to be a statistical anomalyretard
>>284054637You should write him a letter so he'd know how you feel
>>284054637Way to prove >>284054259 right lmao. You’re a freak.
>>284054651No? They all clearly have sentience and self control over their own actions.
>>284048608They have emotions, just not as much of a range as humans. No empathy. This is explained and shown over and over and over again. That's not bad writing, that's you not being able to fucking read.
>>284054701Just because you don't experience empathy doesn't mean you can't coexist with humans. You should logically be able to figure out that killing people doesn't help you accomplish your goals, especially if you want your species to survive.
>>284054690He's the only one that actually shows interest in coexistence.>>284054751The series clearly states that demons are prideful and arrogant creatures that value strength above all. There is no way they would all bend to another's will or another society's rules without eventually trying to take control.
>>284054810If they have human like sentience and reason, then they should be able to change their beliefs to coexist with humans. >Only oneNo, even the little demon girl that got killed in the village wanted peaceful coexistence after finding out that everyone hates her now. In fact, that whole scene makes the case that coexistence is possible, even if unintentionally.
>>284054690So do humans, yet most humans are hylics with no awareness that go with the flow. They don't even realize we're trapped in a simulation by the Demiurge.
>>284054751LOL, you can't legitimately believe this. This isn't a realistic position in real life let alone in this anime.
>>284054861>wanted peaceful coexistenceNo, she wanted to live, there is a big difference. She knew that she wasn't physically strong enough to stand a chance, so she used mimicry to be spared.
>>284054934Sociopaths can easily coexist in human society and they don't typically go out of their way to hurt other people
>>284054969Her first reaction to finding out that people hate her is to immediately try and fix what she just did, offering up to be the mayor's new daughter. She also says that she just wants peace.
>>284054999>She also says that she just wants peace.Yeah, because she wants to live.
Go post it on twatter with hashtag #FascistFrieren
>>284051086>actually being acknowledged by the characters and storyevidently not
>>284055029This also contradicts the whole "They only lie to decieve" since they're also lying for self preservation. Also, it can't really be deception since they genuinely don't want to die, so their internal feelings are matching their external ones.
>>284054302It's never stated that demons need to kill humans to live, but they live to kill humans/non-demons. Demons are ontologically evil in the story, assuming we can trust Frieren on this or even Flamme's taxonomy. Though their sociology may be more complex than some give it credit for, they are still inherently deceitful and untrustworthy and the story so far hasn't contradicted this core principle.
>>284048608Its foreshadowing towards the ending where there are demons with the friendship gene who befriend Frieren and the moral of the story is racism is le bad and we should not judge others based on their race, but based on their actions
>>284055052>This also contradicts the whole "They only lie to decieve" since they're also lying for self preservation.Are you actually fucking retarded, anon? They are deceiving for self-preservation, and it is deception because they don't care about coexistence or peace but rather their just their own well-being. It's basically the same thing as asking for a ceasefire when you're surrounded and unarmed.
>>284048608>they mimic humans. >doing that for generations.Op please get a life, you are always posting the same shit because you dont want to understand
>>284055152If they genuinely don't want to die, then their internal feelings are matching their external ones, so it can't be deception.
>>284054974You are wrong and I won't elaborate. Besides, you are trying to superimpose the actions of a few demons with the entire demon race which is a little racist don't you think?
>>284055088We have yet to see a single instance of one demon lying to another.
>>284055110This would unironically be the worst possible ending for Frieren. And I cannot trust that we won't be Jap'd yet again. Frieren is one of those accidentally based stories where I'm pretty sure the author doesn't get what makes it so great.
>>284055052>This also contradicts the whole "They only lie to decieve" since they're also lying for self preservation.
>>284055190The problem with Frieren is it's hard to tell which story elements are purposeful and which are just bad writing. The way demons are portrayed is contradictory, but is that done on purpose or by mistake? It's genuinely impossible to tell.
>>284055178I really hope you're baiting.
Congrats OP! This is the 787th post you make hating on Frieren's demons! This confirms that you don't understand basic concepts!
>>284055182And? What is your point? We also know that they operate more or less like a hive mind, with some elements being more or less autonomous.Never is it stated that they also antagonise other demons or that they undermine their collective goals. So there is absolutely no contradiction here.
>>284055232Out of arguments?
>>284055254I'm not going to explain the concept of deception to you, go pick up a dictionary or something.
>>284055244>We also know that they operate more or less like a hive mindNo they don't. Now you're just making shit up.
>>284055278If their internal feelings are matching their external ones, such as them not wanting to die, then they aren't really deceiving people in that case.
>>284055221Brother, you can easily tell what aspects of Frieren are badly written. But I don't think there is any contradiction in how demons are portrayed.
>>284055305>"Demons only communicate to deceive.">Seconds later, shows demons communicating with each other, to share information, with no humans in earshot.The demons writing is retarded. Come on now. You can't actually be defending this.
Demons have no collective goals. To get demons to cooperate you have to either convince them the cause is worthy or threaten them with violence. AKA, just like people.>>284055305Anon, look at the OP pic. It makes no sense considering what we know about demon behavior or biology.
>>284051374>doesn't know the definition of empathy>doesn't know the definition of objectively What fucking gradeschool let your ass out into the world?
>>284055285Anon, I appreciate you being very gung-ho about your preposterous bait thread and all, but you will not bait me after a long day's work into finding that one panel from Frieren where they factually (factually) state this, that demons are all more or less bound to the will of the Demon King. So please drop it.
>>284048608Yeah you're right anon Frieren is trash you win.Will you stop making this thread every other day?
>>284055383No they're not. The demon king lead them the same way any demon leads another - persuasion or violence. He literally had to threaten Macht to get him to cooperate. Demons being a hivemind is headcanon which I have no idea where you got the idea from.
>>284055302They don't say "I want to live". They say "I want peace" because they know humans like peace and coexistence and thus they know that word is likely to sway them.>>284055328You're taking Frieren's explanations way too literally, of course demons talk with each other for reasons other than to deceive, otherwise they would not be able to form plans or carry out orders. The point is that they use communication and words as a weapon.
>>284055328>>284055337Am I being epically trolled or something? What is going on ITT?
What a crazy schizo thread, a funny read. Anytime anyone makes a valid point the OP stops replying to them, then posts some dumbass bait comment like >>284054302>>284055475The anon who wrote earlier that the point of the thread is for the OP to claim he is smarter than the author was on point.
>>284055383
>>284055472>"Demons only communicate to deceive.">Seconds later, shows demons communicating with each other, to share information, with no humans in earshot.Then this shit happens right before your eyes, you're too retarded to grasp the implications, and then you're back at it again next thread.Doesn't matter what they were discussing. They weren't using language at that moment to deceive. They were using it for reasons other than deception. Talking about deceiving people is not the same thing as deceiving people. Meaning it directly contradicts what Frieren says.
>>284048608Are you trolling? Or just the daily i-hate-frieren-because-its-popular post?
>>284055528Yes. We know there are extreme outliers like Macht or the sword lady. Hence why I said "more or less".
>>284055328>"There is one reason why man-eating monster would speak language" => (what he meant; true)"The teleological reason for a monster's speech is deception." => (also true)"The reason why a man-eating monster came to learn language was to deceive"> => (misinterpretation) "I'm doing that 100% of the time, even on the breaks"This cleverly references how Aristotle said that "an acorn's intrinsic telos is to become a fully grown oak tree".
>>284055472The demon themselves literally says "There's only one reason we speak like humans" one reason is not actually multiple reasons.
>>284055580Why are you making shit up? We are told lesser demon listen to greater ones due to threats of violence. Where the FUCK are you getting this hivemind shit from?
>>284055516Yeah, I think I'm going to check out. I dunno if this is trolling or genuine mental illness, but life is way too short to be spending time uncovering that mystery. Wasting people's time is a great cruelty.
Demon mating rituals when, these two were totally going to bang
Actual sociopath here, AMA
>>284055472They regularly say things like "wait we can discuss this" or "act" terrified when they're going to be killed.
>>284055698It's actually very likely Solitar and Macht banged. The two spent years together in her house, after all. It's also very likely that Aura and Lugner banged, and Linie and Draht were their children. Demons have more sex than anyone else in this manga.
>>284055640There is no indication of demons being explicitly confrontational. They simply fall into order due to mana and/or antiquity. Aura was still fighting a war that wasn't her own like an automaton, not for any individual reason we know of, so it's not unreasonable to assume that they fall into some kind of social conformation. Macht and others being outliers doesn't contradict this general sociological characteristic.
>>284050891The little demon wants to be considered important by the bigger demon because it holds power over them and others. This will raise their status. It does not mean they have empathy.
>>284055819Yes, they act like people. Aura was used to being a high-ranking general, so she tried carrying on that role by herself (badly). Solitar and Macht continued acting the same way they always did, Rivale continued seeking out fights, etc.
>>284055911But if they were intelligent surely they would have realized it was futile and stopped for their own preservation?
>>284055841>The little demon wants to be considered important by the bigger demon because it holds power over them and others. This will raise their status.That's not how demon society works. The only thing they care about is strength, that's it. Being a useful henchman does not in any way improve their social standing. You're doing the same thing the author does and project human socialization/culture on demons even though they should not work that way.
>>284055933Demons have an innate desire to kill humans. Aura did in the way she believed worked best. Until Frieren showed up she was doing quite fine, building up her corpse army.
>>284055363>>284051374>arguing about definitionsyou're both behaving like grade schoolerseither of you just state your own definition already so you can argue about something slightly more worthwhile
>>284055965>That's not how demon society works. The only thing they care about is strength, that's it.Having subordinates is an expression of strength>Being a useful henchman does not in any way improve their social standing.Yes it does
>>284056039>Yes it doesNo. Ranking in the demon king army was based purely on magical strength. Macht was a terrible subordinate who barely did anything, yet he was still #2. The demon kid in the OP pic was an excellent subordinate who Revolte didn't lift a finger to save. You're making shit up based on what makes sense for you, not what we actually see.
>>284055965Sometimes strength is in numbers under you. Look at the Demon king. He got other demons to do shit for him.
>>284056170>Sometimes strength is in numbers under you.For humans. Demons do not care about that. Whether a demon followed orders always depended on how they *personally* felt about the demon king. Solitar liked him and cared about the future of her race, so she willingly cooperated when she could. Macht hated the demon king, so he only cooperated when forced to. The seven sages listened to the king because he was stronger than them. The sages commanded generals because they were stronger than them. And so on.
>>284056135>>284056300How can you immediately go from accusing someone else of making shit up then immediately go on to make shit up? Are you a demon trying to run interference?
Bump
Real human/demon communal living has never been tried
So why does friefreefen still hide her mp if every demon is aware of her reputation and that she overpowered the demon whos power relied on having the highest mp?
Why not simply rape the demons?
>>284061098If they take too much damage they disintegrate, and theres no way you'd be able to rape one if you didn't severely damage it
>>284048608Never care more about a work of fiction than its author did. A rule to live by.
>inconsistencies in native IsekaiNext on news: water is wet
>>284048608The story in frieren is likely ai generated. That is why it's genre jumps all over the place. It is shonen one arc, sol the next etc etcAnd that is why there are such inconsistencies. llm probably forgot about that behavior while generating this arc and characters
>>284061333>I need to boil down every story to one easy label or it is bad
>>284061333The problem is that the author is a midwit who makes overly general statements about demons and since we have so little information about them we have to take them as absolute facts. The point is that now people will focus on these incredibly insignificant details of the story because there really isn't anything else. If he had just shown the demons killing and deceiving humans, we probably wouldn't have these problems, but these kinds of explanations are necessary for other midwits like him to be attracted and call Frieren an "intellectual" and "innovative" work.
>>284050985Demons ONLY LEARNED human language to deceiveNowhere is it stated they are forever loners
>>284061731>If he had just shown the demons killing and deceiving humans,you literally have a chapter where a small demon kills someone and deceives humans to believe she's just a child, then kills again
>>284048608Kill Demons because Demons are evil and it is good and just to kill them to save mortal kind.
>>284048608Demons only care about power. The demon girl made a showcase of power, thus she feels like she deserves to escalate the power dynamics ladder, but to do that she needs recognition by her superior, who is more powerful.In the end it's a form of sumbission to her superior, but in a way that tries to show him that she's useful for him thus should not be discarded, unlike other underlings (if he has them)Like a wolf who gives the alpha in the pack some shit it caught then proceeds to show its belly and do that faggotty thing dogs do.It's not that complicated and if you don't understand you might need to be tested for autism anon.Demons are just like animals, they don't have morals.
>>284063305But killing is evil.
>>284065361Getting rid of evil is the ultimate good
>>284048608>he’s STILL on about this despite having is explained to him several dozen times nowYou’re beyond help. You’re just a schizo at this point.
>>284067574It's actually never explained. The series just sucks at writing.
>>284065087Wild beasts are not intelligent and able to communicate with other species. Wild beasts do not understand human morality or strictly adhere to their own. Wild beasts do not possess all the components necessary to adopt human morals. Demons do. They are incomparable to animals.Demons have very human morality. The two moral values we've seen them have are thinking trickery is wrong, and thinking demons dying is wrong (if not shown through lugner, then certainly by solitar literally saying she didn't like the demon kings war because it killed her friends). They also have an understanding and expression of emotions certainly on par with frieren at the very least, as she is also shown to not understand some of them at all at the story's beginning. There's nothing saying that they couldn't adopt another.
i like how the discussion of "are demons actually evil" is fuelled by how attractive they are
>>284048608You're reading a shounen.Shounen is weaponized retcons and asspulls.Get some self-awareness.Either accept it, or stop reading it.
>>284053419>Solitary ambush predator species>Giving a single shit about social signalling horse shit like "Showing off"The author is just retarded dude, it's okay to admit that.
>I was merely pretending
>>284054810>The series clearly states that demons are prideful and arrogant creatures that value strength above allWhy would a species of dedicated apex predators with no social structure and no need to form societies care about any of this? Why would they care about anything at all? The reason why human beings have things like "pride" or "arrogance" is that we are social animals whose reproductive capability is directly tied to our social skills. A bunch of hyper intelligent tigers will not evolve these instincts. They don't have any reason to care about what others think of them.
>>284048608
>>284055181A statistically significant number of the top earners of most industries are sociopaths. It occurs frequently enough that not only did people notice it, but it's a consistent trend that persists throughout multiple cultures and has done so for at least a century. You do not need empathy to survive in a modern society. In fact in some ways it appears to be somewhat of a detriment.Granted, we SHOULD find and kill all these freaks. But they've gotten away with it so far and there's no reason they won't keep doing so.
>>284048673At this point, this might actually be the case.
