>escapism is bad because it just is ok stop avoiding reality even though it sucks and choose to suffer all your life!is this supposed to be a clever critique of society?
>>284052516You choose to suffer by hiding from the scary reality instead of confronting it. It's actually not all that bad and you can make it better. But instead you're gonna screech and cry and shit. Your loss.
You win nothing by eternally escaping. You are literally Seele exept replace the soup immortality with endless escapism.
>>284052516Your reality will never improve unless you try to make it better.Evangelion is about the conflict between wanting to hide alone in your room every day VS wanting to be loved. It's impossible to have both.
Escapism is the reason of the NEET epidemic.All forms of escapism and unemployment should be punishable by death.
>>284053452Ok, I'll hide in my room.
>>284052559I'm aging like shit not even In my 20's it's fucking over. Just get money and hoard
>>284053664Fine with the lattr if they make having a job a human right aka communism
>>284052516you can hide from reality but you cannot hide from the consequences of hiding from reality.you damn retard child, get out of here !
The setting of Evangelion is utterly hellish. If anything Shinji trying to find a way out of it to lead a mundane life is escapism.
>>284052516You didn't get it
>>284052516Anyone who thinks Eva is "higher art" is unironically mentally retarded or very close to it at least. It's unbelievably overrated shallow action series meant to masturbate to the hot teenagers. Anno has said this a gazillion times.Behead all Eva redditors
>>284057282Funny that evaedditors don't know jack shit about their favorite Japanese cartoon they constantly make a gazillion threads about on /a/.Last time I'm saying it, you need to immediately put a bullet in your brain if you think Eva or eoe had an underlying "message" to it or was deep/profound in any way. The creator anno has said time and time again that it's just a cool action series meant to look cool.
>>284057282>>284057436tryhard poser
Look at all the shit sniffing literal redditors ITT. It's disgusting.Eva is a fun action series to admire cool scenes and hot teenagers.
>>284053849>Not even in my 20sThese are the babies redditors discussing Eva like it's something profound. Kys now gen alpha baby.
>>284057695>>284057474>>284057436>>284057282NOOOOOOO B-BUT MY YOUTUBE NORMALFAG E-CELEB NORMALFAG TEENAGER FRIENDS SAYS ITS DEEP N SHIT NOOOOOO ITS LE TRENDY TO TALK ABOUT EVA I'M COOL AND HIP EVEN THOUGH ACTUAL OLDFAG EVA FANS THINK IM FUCKING RADIOACTIVE CANCER NOOOO SO WHAT IF I WATCHED IT ON NETFLIX IM SEVENTEEN SO I KNOW WHAT SUFFERING IS ITS OVER!!! SHINJI IS ME!!
>>284053452>>284052559admitting there are some things in life you can't control is important to finding happiness. For example you can't control other people or force them to do what you want.
>>284052516fuk (you) anon
>>284052516Frankly, I understand the normal fag perspective on how it's not "good" for society for people to indulge in escapism, but the sheer amount of hatred they have for it is ridiculous. They will ACTIVELY try to take over spaces and media that pander to escapism just to destroy it and then they don't even care for what they destroy. It's infuriating.
>>284053664The 'live to work then die' mentality is just as retarded as the 'avoid living till death mentality'. There is a middle ground. Having fun and enjoying media doesn't necessarily have to be escapism. In fact, it is literally a basics human need. Take care of your responsibilities, don't neglect your relationships/health, then take some time to enjoy yourself. Even some escapism is fine and healthy every now and then, in moderation.
>>284058111moderation is boring you're the fence sitters of life. True your perspective is probably the most "correct" but who cares about "correctness" when it's a life matter?
>>284058153>living well is boring who cares about correctness!are you a woman?
>>284058186do you really want a boring life?
>>284058153Conflating 'fence sitting' with nuanced positions is a mental trap I see people fall into constantly online. Thinking in black and white is bad for the mind, and is almost never the correct position to take on any issue. No one can indulge with a perfect balance of moderation all the time. We're only human. The point is to strive to moderate as best as you can.
>>284058252you're either with me or against me, and you're obviously not with me, so then you're against me. Now kill yourself
>>284052516It isn't about escapism, it's about whether life and relationships with others are worthwhile given all the pain and suffering and anxiety. The "escapism" bullshit comes from Anno's response to fans critical of his work becoming too artsy smartsy for their taste.
>>284058326I don't know your cause or care or care about you more than any other random stranger. Or maybe your post was meant to be an ironic jab at black and white thinking, and I should in fact kill myself for replying in earnest.
>>284058446yes to all of the above
>>284053664It's true. Every one of us would be tending to our flocks of sheep or fields of wheat and having routine sex with our devout housewives like every other normalfag back in the pre-industrial age. We wouldn't even know what a Japan is. Anime and vidya is the cause of all our problems.
Life sucks, drop out.
>>284058606>>284053664I'd say it's much more the fact of overpopulation that causes this. We don't have a lack of resources, sure, but socially we have an incredible excess of people, so so many of them fall to the way side. >every one of us would be tending to our flocks of sheep or fields of wheatthis literally, logistically would not be possible let alone the fact that this shit is all done by corporations basically now.
>>284058628TRVKE
>>284053664Other away around, people indulge in escapism because they lack hope.
>>284057855Lol this dude is 18, 19 max
>>284058628you first
>>284052516Meh, that's not what Eva was about
>>284052516When does Eva mention escapism? Excluding the nonsense rebuilds it pretty clearly has a thesis statement that in spite of the hedgehogs dilemma you have to get close to other to survive. you can’t run away.
>>284052516>>284052559It is only bad if people treat arts as pure escapism. Life imitates art. People rose up under the one piece banner against corruption. Through art, evildoings were revealed.The bible, the quran, many many old fictional tales drove people to action. Arts gives people courage and an united goal.
>>284059287The one piece thing was a psyop kek. You're cattle for falling for Thiel's trick
>>284053452Wrong. Escapism proves how little the inconsequential shit people get upset over really matters. >nooo my brother hates me and i made a joke and laughed at it myself to a girl who gave me a funny look one timeGet a fucking grip. If you playing an hour of Halo makes that leave your mind, then it just proves that it's shit that doesn't matter.Just because you are willingly tormented by your demons doesn't mean everyone should be.>b-b-but improv-I'm not going to change my life because the cute cashier snickered at my shirt being on backwards.
I don't care, this world is boring and people are exhausting to deal with. I like fantasy because it's not exclusively about people, it's about nature, and the world, and monsters, and treasure. Everything in society is entirely dependent on other people and it gets so fucking exhausting. The whims of others can easily dictate how I get to live. Worst of all there really is nothing beyond it. There is no greater meaning to any of it. There is simply people and their spur of the moment existences and I am tired of it.
>>284015126See>>284009033>>284060519Correct.
>>284052566SEELE saw the ugliness in themselves and projected that onto the whole of humanityOnce they decided that humans were a failed species, they decided to forcefully ascend them to something greater, just to fill the void inside their own shriveled heartsIn doing so, they robbed billions of people of the possibility to live and thrive, just because they themselves couldn't
>>284052516Escaping is okay every once in a while, but it depends on HOW you escapeShinji is depicted as using music to forget his troubles, but in two very distinct waysHe uses his SDAT to shut the world out, literally preventing him from hearing other people's voices, be it praise or insults, which is depicted as badBut he also plays the cello, something that, rather than drowning out other's voices, allows him to share a pleasant experience with others, which is depicted as good
>>284053452It's possible to have both if you own a vagina and aren't completely deformed. Anno once again proves himself to be a director of no consequence, what a silly message.
>>284052559>you can make it better.I can fix the housing prices, economic enslavement, laws made by billionaire pedophiles, and the entropic nature of the universe?seems like a tall order
>>284053664
>>284061940I hate that there are people who would unironically tell you that this is not impossible, that you just have a defeatist mentality and "be the change you wish to see" while quietly leaving out the fact that they don't do shit aswell.
>>284052516evafags are not the smartest
>>284061940>ummm youre actually in the wrong for wanting to escape hell bro you can trust me t. yaldabaoth
>>284053664Midwit.
>>284061940Yes, if you have a strong enough willpower then you can do anything. The mind controls reality, not the other way around.
People who make threads like this deserve death and suffering
>>284061940You can't make the world better(well, not YOU that is for sure), but you can make your own life better.I live below minimum wage in my country, and in my country there are the same complains about everything being overprized, immigration, crime, corrupt politicians and all that shit. And yet I made my life super comfortable. I live in a dirt cheap apartment in a little town, but I have it warm, a roof over my house, tasty meal every day, enjoy every day by watching anime, playing videogames and doing my homeoffice work.How? By not being a bum that expects the world to make my life better for me.
Give me one legitimate reason for me not to indulge in escapism.
>>284057436Eva had a nice mystery and a surprising insidious portrayal of a global conspiracy. Regardless of what Anno says, this aspect gave Eva it's allure.
>>284052516No one suffers unless they're in danger of being knived or shot for being a very rare pheno.
>>284052559>>284053452But what if I fail?What if I fail so hard that death is a preferable option?Better yet, what if the death of everyone who laughed at me is a preferable option?
>>284057010The opposite actually.
Considering Anno’s life got way better when he stopped being a blackpilled NEET and applied himself, I’d say he’s living proof of the validity of his message.
>>284053664i'm not gonna wageslave for the sake of wageslaving in this shit society for your benefit. give me a state mandated loving gf or seethe and cope.
>>284066799State mandated gfs wouldn’t work because women have free will. You’d need robo gfs for that to even be remotely feasible.
>>284052516He contradicts the message with Mari anyway.
hate dat big nosed nigga end of eva cool ass looking movie but has faggy ass themes so bad he had to remake the whole thing and its still ass
>>284066750>NEETHe was a passionate cameraman, a proto vloger and a workaholic animator that lived in a studio and slept on a floor. He was a non conformist artisan, not some lonely basement dweller.
>>284067159*earsfuck
>>284067178kek
>>284058239Fuck yes i do.
>>284052516it's not a critique of society, it's a direct critique of you
>>284067093nta, but the modern concept of love is really backwards. You can unironically love anyone if you simply be with them and work as a unit. Love isn't the same as a crush you get cause a guy is super super hot no matter how many times the media tries to cram the retarded idea of love at first sight down our throats.
>>284067176It's insane how people will watch Eva and a couple youtube videos and suddenly consider themselves experts and know everything about Anno.
>>284065840rebuild be like>escapism good, abandon all your friends and run off with a woman you've just met and who lacks any of the flaws that make us human
>>284063080>just accept everything bad and consoomIns't that what the dude is saying? I think that the discussion you people want to have here is about the meaning of "running away" to begin with.
>>284052516Is this the reason Shinji didn’t end up with Rei? Because the author is a fucking retard and doesn’t like escapism?
>>284074816typically they don't even watch eva
>>284067176>workaholic>passionateYeah, at faking it til you make it. Anno is a hack.
>>284076238I only just found out today about the weird amount of times Ultraman was crucified, and knowing Anno loves Ultraman, it's quite obvious where he got his habit from.
Why did New Century Evangelion get retitled Neon Genesis Evangelion?>salesNGE sounds weirder, but they took liberties that were uncalled for.
>>284076748>NGE sounds weirderIt also sounds a lot cooler.
>>284076051Because she's his half sister, and an alien
>>284077351Yup
>>284061940Just stop being poor. Invest in crypto
>>284052516I don't see myself as strong enough to improve my life so escapism is the only way out.
it's basically just this
>>284052516yes, considering how much manchildren coomsume chinese cartoons where 99% have no profound point
>>284060269Get off 4chan, Sheinbaum.
>>284079455Kaji's reaction is all wrong, he'd exasperatedly shake his head, only to throw a blanket over her while calling her kiddo
>>284082322i cant jerk off to that
>>284052516Escaping into art shouldn't be a compulsion of desperation.Watch anime but you shouldn't be willfully rejecting the world. Having a formal mindset of it like that betrays fear, not disinterest in the world. Part of the shows prescription for dealing with this is attempting to cultivate an inner epiphany that is is "okay for you to be here", so that even if things don't go your way when you engage with the world, and people dislike you, it doesn't terrify you because you have a foundational sense that whether people like you or not you have a birthright to be in the same space as everyone else and go about your business out in the world. They don't somehow ontologically outrank you cause you think they're normies or have their shit together or something.
