Why didn't Kishimoto give them cool swords for their fight in the chunin exams?
>>284058382You’d think more of the cast would utilize weapons besides basic kunai and shuriken in general, I can’t even remember any of the Konoha 11 consistently using a unique weapon
>>284058542>You’d think more of the cast would utilize weapons besides basic kunai and shuriken in generalToo much to draw on a weekly schedule, please understand
>>284058382Imagine how hard Hiruzen would get
>>284058944Hiruzen doesn't like to watch children getting hurt.
So to sum it up "This clan was full of rampaging psycho and sociopaths and selfish losers who were purposely making relationships with people both romantically and platonically and having children only to turn around and murder them to improve their oscular powers.There were 4 or 3 of them if you consider a younger obito before getting corrupted, that were able to express care in a general sense instead of a selfish intent.
>>284059335Senjew typed this post.
>>284058382Why didn't Kishi make Naruto a competent ninja after the time skip? 3 years with Jiraiya and he learned jack shit. That's how you can see Kishi is a hack. As much as I love Naruto, part 2 is one big giant pile of shit with some gold sprinkled on top.
>>284058382You have to give each of the Konoha 11 a signature weapon. Who do you give what to and why? I remember a lot of fics back in the day giving Lee nunchuks.
>>284059485>was able to get the bell from Kakashi>was able to outplay someone who fought against Hashirama and lived>was able to hold is own against the deva path pain in taijutsu Our hero Jiraiya taught him well.
>>284059519Naruto: dual wield axeSasuke: sword i guess Sakura: battleaxeIno: daggersShikamaru: bow and arrow Choji: a clubKiba: knuckledustersHinata: chakramShino: poison dartsTenten: naginataLee: nunchuks sounds pretty good actually Neji: also chakram cause I can't think of anything else
>>284059727Naruto should have his fathers kunai
>>284059682Oh you're that Jiraiya trip glazer. I was just thinking about you and how retarded your takes are. You write up the bare fucking minimum that Naruto did to try and justify wasting three years learning nothing from one of the strongest ninjas alive. Getting the bell? Lmfao. Getting a killshot on a confused enemy who was already half beaten? Oh my word, totally cause of Jiraiya! Also Kakuzu didn't survive Hashirama because he was skilled but because he ran away and was spared. If you genuinely believe he could go toe to toe with the first, you're retarded. And the deva path thing? Miniscule in the grand scheme of things. Everything you mentioned is the bare fucking minimum Naruto did and it does not, in any way, disprove that the training trip was utter dogshit. Where is fuinjutsu? Jiraiya was a master sealer, he could have thought Naruto a shit ton in that area. From storage to bombs to even how his own bloody seal works. And yet he didn't, not even a single fucking thing even though it was his main area of expertise. What about toad jutsus? Again, nothing. What about teaching Naruto better chakra control? Help him learn how to do one handed rasengan? Nooooope.What about how to fight without looking at his opponents eyes? He was chased by one uchiha and he was chasing another but he never learned to fight them properly.What about chakra nature? Jiraiya surely knew about that and yet he taught him nothing in that area. Not even the smallest of jutsus. What about controlling his fucking emotions so he doesn't lose his shit like a child at the slightest provocation?Nah. Let's waste all three years on kyubi which he could never learn to control with force and some minor bullshit like a bigger rasengan. It was a failure of a trip. Sasuke and Sakura learned more from their sannin than Naruto ever did from his. I fucking dare you to address the points I made this time rather than dodging them and repeating yourself like a retard.
That… music…
>>284059335To be fair to them, Zetsu's probably indirectly related to most of their deaths. Sure the Uchiha might still get a bit violent, but I doubt they would've gone as far as killing if it wasn't for the tablet telling them that killing their loved ones would give them rad powers.
>>284059727All of these are good, but why dual wield axe for Naruto?
>>284059945>text wall Didn't read.
>>284060130They're cool as fuck and he's the "up in your face" kinda guy so I thought it'd fit. Swinging them like a madman and dealing tons of damage.
>>284060088>Zetsu's probably indirectly related to most of their deathsGod everything about the zetsu retcon was so dumb. What was Kishi thinking with this shit?
>>284059519
>>284060445He was thinking it was the coolest shit. Every little kid loves the idea of the super secret mastermind in the background who was actually behind everything.
>>284060414That's what I figured. What weapon would you give Kakashi? Also I like Kiba using knuckledusters, but I wonder if it'd get in the way of his claws.
>>284059727Give Nard the asuma knives
>>284060664this
>>284060141>>284060507Ah I forgot he uses claws. Oh in that case I'd give him those wolverine like blades on top of his hands. Then I'd give dusters to Neji cause it's kinda amusing a baddie like him using such a primitive weapon. >>284060664Those are cool for sure. Canonically, it would have been nice if he got them though in that case I'd want some more Naruto/Asuma training and bonding for that to make sense.
>>284060915I know this is supposed to be a cool fight scene, but couldn't Sasuke have cut through Nardo's kunai with lightning nature? He's done it well before the pain arc
>>284061425those are chakra knives and naruto has wind naturewind beats lightningretard
>>284060915This is were it would have been peak as for power levels em1 sasuke and sage mode Naruto.You could give ems and kcm mode but this all those two need.
>>284061527You mean base mangekeyo sharingan.
>>284059335>antisharingism in 2025why is this shit allowed outside of /pol/? It's the Senjus fault for trying to take the land promised to us by the Sage of Six Paths.
>>284059727Neji should have senbon because Kaguya uses her stiffened hair with the byakugan to target tenketsu points at range. He could use them more effectively than Haku.
>>284061425>but couldn't Sasuke have cut through Nardo's kunai with lightning nature?Wind mogs lightning so no.
I think Naruto should have learned Air Palm. It being a Hyuga techcnique when it’s such a basic application of the wind nature is super weird.It also doesn’t make sense for their fighting style. They are at their strongest in close range. Air Palm will mainly just extend the range between them and the opponent. Don’t get me wrong, having long range attacks is important, but kinai and shuriken already exist. Or use a lethal long range jutsu that instead of pushing them away it can kill them.It makes much more sense on Naruto.It’s basic. Useful. He can chain it into a rasengan hit with his clones. 2000k Air Palm could blow away any opponent probably. It would also be a non lethal attack for Naruto which Kishi can use without worrying about Naruto killing anybody with it.
>>284064134>I think Naruto should have learned Air PalmHe should've learned Air Bullet. He was already halfway there given his force of his roar when using Kurama's chakra
>>284064217Air bullet is too lethal for a protag to have
>>284065610Unlike the rasensuriken.
Why did Boruto turn out the way it did compared to Naruto? it feels directionless, like the story is just going wherever at any given moment, the characters feel like they're acting roles rather than geinune movement and the world feels even more closed off than Naruto's did even through it's the same story. I'm saying this as a manga reader, I watched the movie then read the manga and ignored the anime since it was just studio pierrot doing a bunch of meaningless filler
>>284065897Kishimoto wanted to try samurai 8 again since that flopped
>>284065897In this old 2019 interview Ikemoto admitted that he's terrible at character development and doesn't care about exploring relationships between characters or worldbuilding
>>284065897Because Boruslop is a corporate product created to make money through an established name. It's not a result of an author's desire to write a cool story like Naruto was and because if that's it's a failure in every single sense.
>>284065897>>284066411Boruto isn't even doing relevant profits anymore since the anime finished, it's just a quick buck for Ikemoto to pay tenta which also explains why the manga sucks so bad, it's treated as nothing more than a job to be done with by the person writing it.
>>284066783*pay rent
>>284061425Sasuke was fucking around.
The mystery behind Kodachi being kicked out is more interesting than the story of Boruto itself.
>>284064217This would have killed Hidan btw.
>>284067634Quite literally no, as he easily survives Kakuzu’s wind blasts
>>284067797Kekuzu's wind Blast wouldn't do shit to Gamabunta.
>>284067634Hidan would survive Kaguya's expansive truthseeking orb (universe level)
>>284068090Proof?
>>284066783It doesn't matter what it makes now when it comes to WHY it exists in the first place. It was created as a cash grab to milk the Naruto name and that's why it never went anywhere good. It was soulless from the start and that's why it sucks.
>>284068090What if she hit him in the ears?
In the first panel, is Hidan's scythe floating? Does this imply Shikamaru is actually fucking fast?
>>284058382kill yourself narutard
>>284068429The scythe is just doing a trick.
>>284068429I mean you can see them moving and it's fucking fast. Kishi is a fucking hack.
>>284066329Wow. I honestly wonder sometimes why Kishimoto made this guy his successor.
>>284069907They are buddies.
>>284069907>corporate interests insist Kishimoto bless a spinoff >he ensures it's a shitty timeline (Naruto doesn't attend his hokage inauguration, Sakura is a miserable stay at home mom, anyone from the old generation is loveless and single, kids are unhappy and shinobi culture has an uncertain future>leaves the project with the person he knows will do the worst job >will wait for Boruto to get cancelled to introduce the good timeline ideas
>>284070515>Naruto doesn't attend his hokage inaugurationThis was a Naruto omake and was all Kishi's fault.>will wait for Boruto to get cancelled to introduce the good timeline ideasActual copefiction.
>>284070515Sakura is a miserable stay at home single momWell thats she wanted imo sasuke should've stayed single like a monk
>>284070515>Naruto doesn't attend his hokage inaugurationNo problem with that>Sakura is a miserable stay at home momisn't miserable, also you're weird if you expected more>anyone from the old generation is loveless and singleno problem with that>kids are unhappyDepends, there are problems because there is a story.>shinobi culture has an uncertain futureWould be great if Kishi remembered shinobi culture is bad.>will wait for Boruto to get cancelled to introduce the good timeline ideasKeep waiting.
>>284071275Yeah, people should have a problem when Kakashi, Tsunade, Yamato, Shizune, Guy, Tenten, Anko, Kurenai, Karin, Suigetsu and Jugo are all single in the future, that's undercooked as hell.
>>284071464>KakashiVolcel, fujos would hate him ending up with a woman.>TsunadeLoyal to Dan.>GuyHe has Kakashi.>JuugoGay for Kimimaro>KurenaiLoyal to Asuma.>KarinCuckqueaning for Sakura and Sasuke.The rest is valid though.
I'm fucking Tenten.I'm Tenten's husband.You cannot prove otherwise.
Ino won btw.
>>284071596But can you justify Shino not satisfying a woman with his baby Mothra?
>>284071985>smokes Sakura in taijutsu>catches Sakura in her extremely hard to use instant win jutsu>it's a draw
>>284058382
>>284071985does everyone else always skip this fight?
How does he do it?
>>284065897>>284071275It was all rushed and forced even hinata and Naruto’s marriage was forced , they had to kill neji to make it happen
>>284073159Who the fuck is that
>>284073212Naruto
>>284072348they TKO each other, so there's nobody left standing. Sakura takes an absolute beating but managed to stay standing until the end regardless.
>>284073294Ino went easy on her
>>284071985uhhh ino sisters....?
>>284071985>>284072348It's funny cause not only was Ino smarter in that fight because of the whole hair chakra thing and she lost because of Sakura's plot armor, but the only reason Sakura managed to break out of her jutsu in the first place was because of Naruto yelling and stopping Ino from ending the match.
>>284068429Shikamaru would rock your shit…ninja train to vault several meters into the air and fend off combatants who can shatter brick with a punch
>>284073824>Sakura never weaponises Inner Sakura for a genjutsuone of the many instances in which the games are superior to the manga
>>284064217Maybe I'm just a brainlet but out of all the elements, I've always felt like wind is one that confuses me the most as to how it does any damage
>>284075654blunt force trauma or slice, depending. You ever stood outside in a hurricane? you'll get knocked off your feet pretty quick. Imagine that ten times over.
>>284073167>kill neji>still have to make a movie >its a dogshit movie with bullshit flashbacks and reasoning I wouldn't mind naruhina all that much if it was actually built up properly. Or even at all. They go the entire manga with Naruto completely ignoring her existence then poof! They're married. t's such a bad ship.
>>284076740>They go the entire manga with Naruto completely ignoring her existence then poof! They're marriedBased Kishi copying Toriyama
>>284077268Toriyama did it much better though. Goku and Chichi make sense. Naruto and Hinata don't.
>>284072228You didn't mention Shino there.>>284072348>smokes Sakura in taijutsuNever happened in the manga.
>>284077792>Goku and Chichi make senseBro, Goku only married her because she went out of her way to remind him of a promise he didn't even understand when making it, then he felt obligated to do so.Naruto and Hinata actually dated before marriage, Goku and Chichi had a child friendly shotgun wedding.
>>284073824>literally Sakura headcanon>actual canon >>284073342
>>284078138>actual canon>Posts filler scene
>>284078238Anime is the actual canon. Nobody gives a shit about the manga.
>>284078267SP...
>>284075654>I've always felt like wind is one that confuses me the most as to how it does any damage
>>284078032Naruto and Hinata barely interacted throughout the entire manga. Goku and Chichi seem a little silly on the surface but even a childish promise like that make more sense than a guy marrying a girl whose existence he didn't care for an entire manga. Also while it may have seemed like that, Goku actually liked Chichi. He wouldn't have married her otherwise.
Kishimoto's a hack who's good at making characters, but terrible at actually doing anything with them.
>>284078573>creates an amazing world >creates cool characters >does jack shit with either Naruto had a single clean win against a villain through the whole series..
>every naruto thread is either >powerscaling or criticizing the >characters relationships and romantic roles
>>284078712He got an insane streak during the war
how about the giant axe?
Its been said in every like shipping conversation and thread in the dialys, im starting to understand why the story from a narrative standpoint would have made more sense if kishi made naruto and sakura a thing , it would definitely be a big character development on sakuras behalf.
>>284078786Eh that doesn't really count to me. There were a ton of villains throughout the series he could've beaten but nah. His only legit win is vs Pain. That's it.
>>284078316>barely interacted throughout the entire manga.Same goes for Goku and Chichi.>make more sense than a guy marrying a girl whose existence he didn't care for an entire mangaGoku didn't think about Chichi even ONCE after her arc, he fucking forgot about her.>Goku actually liked Chichi. He wouldn't have married her otherwise.You could say the exact same thing for Naruto.In fact, it's even a stronger case for Naruto because he actually understands marriage and consent.
>>284079181Let's see>Haku?>Gaara (actually a huge W)>Kabuto (he stopped him)>Kakuzu (unnecessary since they outnumbered him but he did destroy 3/5)>Pain (got a bit of help and Pain started nerf but Pain was too strong for anyone)>retarded war streak
>>284079181>Legit victory>Had help from Hinata, Fox and Daddy>Pain was already fighting multiple people beforehandNice legit victory.
>>284079181Pain is a terrible example. Naruto has a clear victory against Kabuto, Kiba etc. Gaara and Haku less so, but still. Pain is like the lowest example, he lost to that guy despite help and intel and Pain being weakened
>>284078870>how about the giant... ACK!
>>284079425>>284079232Hinata didn't do shit except getting stabbed, Naruto would've gone fox eventually no matter what.
>>284078316GoChi is unironically a near 1:1 of how the average agenda rotted shipfag thinks NaruHina was written.Goku meets this girl early in the story who has a "mean father", she falls in love with him for shallow reasons (kicking her coochie), she fucks off without even becoming friends with Goku and is never seen or mentioned again until the arc where she marries him because the author wanted to spite someone (Toriyama was being annoyed by Torishima to pair Goku with Bulma), if we discard the anime the only meaningful moments they had were in the buu arc where she sees him come back from the dead and when they grief Jobhan's fake out death.
>>284079469Then there's was no reason for Kishi to have written that scene in the first place if that were the case.
>>284079626The reason is character development and tragedy, not fucking power up. Naruto could already go to 4 tails at the mere mention of Sasuke's name back when the seal was stronger than this. And in this case he broke the necklace
>>284079452The ack was from Ino getting her arm chopped
>>284079192Yeah but Goku wasn't crushing on another girl the whole time. And sure, DB's romance is more on the silly side but it still works better than in Naruto. At least Chichi didn't risk her life and confess only for Naruto to go back to ignoring her right after.
>>284079641Naruto was emotionally conflict and stabbed by chakra absorbing rods from the rinnegan, he needed the extra push.
>>284079666not really buying this since the alternative was death anyway, fox would come out
>>284079654So absolute fucking nothing is better as long as the main character doesn't have other options?You fags are genuinely brainless.
>>284079688Bijus can't over power the gedo mazo absorbing them.If that was so easy, it would've happened before since all of that process needs to be done while they are alive.
>>284079469Even if we assume that. Pain had just gotten done soloing the entire Village an using massive Shinra Tensei. He was on cooldown and weakened. Naruto had summons and intel. Still lost. Then even as 6T Kyuubi he lost and had to go 8T to stalemate Pain. And then he got help from Minato and saved. Only then does he "beat" Pain.
>>284079752Yes, he fought a nerfed Pain, I said that in my first post. I only disagree with the "Hinata assist", and I think nobody could seriously defeat 100% Pain>even as 6T Kyuubi he lost and had to go 8T to stalemate PainThat's not a loss. He just kept powering up and the seal kept loosening.
>>284079208>HakuWas a 2v1 with Uke. >GaaraThat's actually also legit, I forgot. >KabutoNot counting since he never beat him. >KakuzuWas just a clean up with an OP move. >PainThat's the win I was talking about. >WarBy then it was just a shit show. Villain fights throughout the story are practically nonexistent for Naruto, especially compared to other anime. I mean, there's ten Akatsuki and he didn't beat a single one in a legit one on one fight. >>284079232Fox is part of him, can't ignore it. Minato just saved his ass when he lost his mind. Hinata did nothing. And Yahiko Pain is the big guy and Naruto beat him by himself which is why I count it as legit. >>284079425I count victory as if the guy is defeated and doesn't go on to become a bigger villain like Kabuto did. And Kiba isn't a villain.
>>284060915This ova is still so peak. I rewatch it occasionally to this day.
>>284079786Wall of cope, it's explicitly stated that Pain wasted a ton of chakra wrecking Konoha.He had help from everyone and only barely won the fight, not a legit victory.
>>284079786>Not counting since he never beat him.He drove Kabuto back, putting him in a near KO state where all he could do was help Oro summon Manda with Oro's chakra, but not attack anyone. He wanted to protect Tsunade, and achieved that goal. I think that should count as a W.>Villain fights throughout the story are practically nonexistent for Naruto, especially compared to other animeNaruto and Sasuke kill the most Akatsuki members in this story don't they?>Minato just saved his ass when he lost his mindIt would end up as a win for the fox since I doubt even Pain could subdue the entire nine tails
>>284078138Rigged
>>284079650
>>284079859>Filler
>>284079853>>284079859The duality of Sakura's performance
>>284079869Did I hear something?
>>284078315This just made me realize that there are actually no huge, purely wind WIND jutsus Naruto.>Fire - Madara's great fire annihilation>Water - Kisame's huge water bubble that he trapped Bee in>Lightning - Kirin>Earth - sandwich jutsu by that one guy that trapped Ghedo Mazo during the war Wind got no big Hurricane jutsu or anything similar.
Ino cant stay awake from 1 little genjutsu...
>>284079985What did Sakura contribute to this pursuit?
>>284079121This would only work in early shippuden>>284079606Goku and chichi relationship is better developed than naruhina
>>284079985She's crying because she remembers Ino's thick legs kicking her ass, btw
>>284080031She gave Naruto the inspiration to beat Gaara(with assistance from the fraud fox chakra)
>>284080038Goku and Chichi weren't even developed in the first place, the reason they even ended up together in the first place is because Toriyama wanted Torishima to Shut the fuck up about romance.
>>284079915>More filler
>>284079654Oji-san Goku in the Buu Saga understood that masters wanted large breasted women like Videl and Bulma which is why he offered them in exchange for Gohan becoming strong. Toriyama did erotic humor with Goku touching Bulma and ChiChi it's likely his editors won't let him. Toriyama said he sucks at romance cause his editor wanted Inuyasha. Toriyama prefer to just pump and dump
>>284079192Toriyama hated romance and liked science fiction. He paired Goku and ChiChi because he thought his editor was weird pairing Goku and Bulma to be the next Lum and Ataru
>>284079823Lmao fine. It's even fucking worse for Ruto then, I don't care. >>284079833Technically a W in that situation sure but that's not the kind of win I'm talking about. And I don't care about Sasuke. Naruto only beat Kakuzu and that was after the guy was already plenty fucked. And yeah, probably. Unless he could do some gedo mazou magic against it.
>>284079833No, all the Akatsuki members throw their fights. Only Kazuku and Hidan fight to the bitter end.
>>284071985We know
>>284079920
>>284080594nah, random summoning is cheating and there's no tornado
>>284080078Gaara was using faud tanuki chakra.
>>284079887>watersports with Ino
>>284080594I love his "Slash!". What's he say in Japanese? Also how big is he? Summoning is the coolest spell in Naruto. Everyone should have one.
>>284080641
>>284080580Rip this Naruto, he died at the end of the Chunin Exams.
>>284080660Naruto cheated the sanctity of a gentlemans 1v1 fraudchakra duel when he used Gamabunta
>>284080078Gaara when he was introduced could've crushed Sakura in a split second, Shukaku felt like a big nerf to him.
>>284080790>when he used GamabuntaWhich was fair since Gaara's auto sand protection is because of his mom
>>284080908retcon shit
>>284080594why is this random weasel kage level?
>>284080709>Everyone should have one.I think we could have done that, but the focus on the tailed beasts and the toad-snake-slug trio means you can't keep bringing in other magic animals to act as summons because they'd detract from the main summons. Pain gets to have summons to hype up his Rinnegan and because he's a main antagonist.
>>284080730Yeah, technically you're right, but I wanted a tornado!!
>>284081117Concession accepted.
>>284081131Summons are strong
>>284081266begs the question why more people don't use them, considering Temari (regular ninja with no special sauce) and Guy (explicitly bad with jutsu) both have summons.
post shippuden is it safe to say Sakura and Naruto think of each other as brother and sister?
>>284081580Just friends.
>>284080709>I love his "Slash!". What's he say in Japanese?kiru, basically "i'll cut ya!" or "cut!" works
>>284081396Uses too much chakra
>>284081580Kishimoto is a hack
>>284082096Probably more along the lines of unavailability. It's not like summoning scrolls are just lying around everywhere.
>>284058382>>284058542Shinobi have to bend and twist and sprint and jump.Long weapons like swords just wouldn't work unless they were explicitly going into battle.
>>284081580Post chapter 450 you can assume all the characters are dead because Kishimoto stopped caring.
Sand kunoichi just do it better
>>284082556I liked the generic designs from the UNS games.
>>284082828Post em
>>284083003dunno where to find renders of the NPCs from those games.
>>284081117I miss the manga because the anime lacks the impact of the Kazekage casually hanging out
>>284083463Rasa was a good father.
>>284059335The Uchiha were assholes (maybe) but the Hokage's boyfriend was literally trying to destroy them for his entire lifespan. Imagine trying to exist in a village where a psychopath spends every waking moment (except for the ones he spends torturing children) trying to kill your bloodline off, and he has the protection and friendship of an unbeatable dictator so you can't even retaliate. Hiruzen's name should be gouged from the annals of history.
>>284081580Co-workers, colleagues, acquaintances...
>>284083720Hiruzen didn't do anything wrong. It was Tobirama and Danzo's fault.
>>284084026Danzo living is Hiruzen's fiat.
>>284084041>fiat
>>284080158Kaguya would rape Buu saga Goku btw.
>>284081215cope
>>284085699>replies over 5hrs laterLmao
>>284085796Concession accepted. Nice necro thread
