The cruel and treacherous Ashikaga Takauji would come to rule Japan during this period.Although the Ashikaga clan would later be destroyed by Oda Nobunaga.https://youtu.be/Y82jCCK8J28?si=SxNoLOQ4Qd45EHu_https://youtu.be/c37CMUW4CBc?si=9sgVeAFUod5Kv5GXhttps://youtu.be/sIrxtDnPmo8?si=MP_CAyNH91WCKmMz
It's a minor period, but it was the worst period in Japanese history.
Also as seen in Turkey.
>>284065273Shizuku and Ayako were sexo in this though.
>>284065273Is it really? Compared to Sengoku Jidai or WWII? Did a character in the show say that? It would be understandable since most people won't have a reference point to compare to that like "Oh, this is the absolute worst time in Japan."In Rurouni Kenshin Saitou Hajime mentions that the Meiji Restoration was the bloodiest revolution in history and I was like, really niggah?
>>284068048By sengoku, people had sort of gotten used to it. It was just getting started in naboku-chou.
>>284065724Hot
>>284068562>people had sort of gotten used to itWhich is worse: being kicked in the teeth, or being kicked in the teeth so often that it's unremarkable?
>>284071013Perhaps raising your children to take a kicking in the teeth the same way your parents taught you.
>>284068048It's true that the Kamakura period, the Sengoku period, Bakumatsu, and World War II were all bloody.
The tail-end of the Sengoku period was worse by far than anything before or since, and it's not even close. The social contract completely disappeared, there was no distinction between soldiers and civilians, peasants were mass-conscripted to the point of whole villages and towns just dying, if not from being raided by enemy samurai, than from starvation because of nobody to work or bring in the harvest. The level of desperation on all sides reached such a peak that Bushido itself became completely perverted and this perversion of Bushido wasn't rooted out until 1945, and it cost most Japanese people EVERYTHING, and for the most part, the people who had the least power and influence were the ones who suffered the greatest losses. Anybody who has studied Japanese History and comes to any other conclusion, I would say they must have slept through the most important part. By the end of Sengoku, all the honor and romance and chivalry of war was completely gone and it was just a war of atrocities. Atrocities on all sides. The only people who had any chance to survive were people who abandoned their humanity and became animals, killing machines. Whoever tried to cling to any kind of idealism or had the least compunction about committing any vile or despicable act was nothing but fodder for those who had no such compunctions. And oh by the way, the beginning and middle of Sengoku was not much better. People accepted Tokugawa rule not because anybody was happy with it, but because going back to the power vacuum of Sengoku was seen as the worst of all possible outcomes, and something to be avoided at all costs.
Don't forget the 50 million people in Asia and Europe that died as an indirect consequence of Takauji taking control of Japan.
>>284072457Japan caused the black death....
>>284072233Well, island nations like Japan and Britain have a bloody history of civil war.During the Nanboku-cho period, even children were beheaded all the time.The same was true during the Sengoku period.Peaceful periods in Japanese history are the Heian period and the Edo period.
>>284072457Tell me more about that.
>>284072457I dont know, based. That just makes me love Takauji even more. Black Death was beneficial because it broke the power of nobility and freed the serfs and peasants.
>>284065292>It's a minor period, but it was the worst period in Japanese history.And they have a lot of pretty bad periods.
>1353 was 672 years agoFeelin' old yet?
>TFW when you and all of your friends have to cut your bellies open because some middle management noble lost face
>>284072233Here's the thing. They did not need to accept the Tokugawa rule because they already had the Toyotomi rule. He didn't bring peace because Japan had already been at peace (internally, at least) for almost twenty years when he saw the government's weakness and started stirring shit all over again. But Hideyoshi was a serf, so Ieyasu couldn't stop seething about him.
>>284065273Nice
It also bears mentioning that the nobility seethed at Hideyoshi for being the heir to Nobunaga, the ACTUAL peacemaker and unifier of Japan. It's almost comical how much they seethed about him. The Japanese people have been conditioned so much that they still seethe about their own greatest hero, the Napoleon of Japan. He was bad because he loved guns, machines and conquest... but... emperor Meiji was based for the exact same reasons? I understand now why the Japanese are sometimes compared to the English, the surreal levels of hypocrisy just can't be comprehended by a sane person.
>>284073281Hideyoshi was a serf who made it extra hard for other serfs to get anywhere.
>>284073455If there's one thing I've discovered about Japanese history, it's that they will do things in the most intentionally difficult, ass backwards, Luddite way possible and then justify it with a big song and dance about it's history and honor. And I realize I'm saying that as an American born 400 plus odd years after the fact in an era far divorced from constant civil war, but Buddha Christ.
>Yorito barely lost after this and was the only soldier whose fame grew from this fight.
How could someone so /fa/ be a bad guy?
>>284073733Evil is /fa/.
>>284073675I miss this dude like you wouldn't believe.
>>284073847>manages to be both terrifying and hilarious>also impossible to animate
>>284072795>During the Nanboku-cho period, even children were beheaded all the time.Only noble children, and only for a specific strategic reason. In Sengoku, whole villages were put to the sword for nothing. Peasants were massacred even when they had nothing left to steal, BECAUSE they had nothing left to steal. Sorry, but . . . it's not even in the same realm of evil.
>>284074072How about a bit later on were you could just cut down peasants in the street if you wanted to see how sharp a sword was. Shit would be comical if it wasn't so horrifying.
>>284073281I meant to say that the people, of all classes, were desperate for ANYBODY to seize power and keep it, but it's really hard to stop a warlord without going to war against him, so even though the people ALL wanted the war to end, they also all knew that the only man who could actually end it was the absolute strongest, someone who would end the war by force. And there were still a few small rebellions here and there throughout the Tokugawa era, but these were only minor rebellions fought for concessions, not the same anarchic chaos of the Sengoku when the whole country was swarming with various warlords who were roughly equal in strength, all vying for regional subjugation if not ultimate supremacy over all Japan. The whole essence of the Sengoku conflict was every Daimyo saying to every other Daimyo, "Oh yeah? Try and stop me then!" And you couldn't fight one motherfucker off without two or three other motherfuckers invading you while your forces were occupied. That was what kept the chaos going and going and going like a conflagration nobody can put out.
>>284072795heian era was absolute shit outside of heian-kyo
>>284073097usagi yojimbo anime when
>>284074463I'm glad Stan Sakai got a paycheck for that netflix shit but I really still just want a proper Usagi show.
>>284074463Fucking never, even though that shit would be incredible
>>284074181Outside of few very notable incidents that were widely publicized, this was extremely rare.A Samurai COULD cut down anyone beneath them for any perceived slight and could leave without further ado, not even needing to alert the magistrate. That doesn't mean you could make a habit of this without incurring some kind of pushback. Wanton killing was something a Samurai could be forced to commit seppuku over. For the most part, Samurai would confine their bloodlust to common criminals or people who one could at least argue "deserved it." It wasn't at all common for peasants to act stupid around Samurai, they knew they had no recourse and were as obsequious and submissive as possible. Furthermore, Samurai would earn praise and admiration from peasants and other Samurai and higher nobility alike for being gracious and showing restraint in civil matters, as long as the offense wasn't considered serious enough to actually warrant killing.
>>284074703>thinking social stigmata and soft limits would actually stop people from abusing their power
>>284074660It's not like the book is especially graphic but there is a fair bit of stuff that you can see a lot of western broadcasters not caring for. It doesn't go over the top but it's sure as hell not sugar coated.
>>284074798I've read Usagi at least a couple different times over the past 20 years. I'm familiar with the material, I just don't think it's ever likely to happen
>>284074827I mean if it hasn't happened by now outside the occasional TMNT crossover, I don't see it happening ever either. And honestly I'm pretty happy so long as the comic keeps going so it's fine. It's just fun to imagine what could be.
>>284074787Well, it's the same nowadays, cops can basically murder people and get away with it SOMETIMES:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-WniZoKKUgBut they might also NOT get away with it under other circumstances:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMPuuduDlBwBut for the most part, most cops, most of the time, don't go around killing people willy-nilly. Just because something can and does happen doesn't mean it must have been happening everywhere, all the time. You seem to want to focus on the worst case scenario as if it was the status quo. Mostly, Japan was a very small place and people who lived together all knew each other, there was very little privacy and you never knew who might see you or who they might report to. If you went around butchering peasants, at the very least you might be forced to compensate their lord for the monetary value just as if you butchered livestock. If you acted like a fucking psycho, there were all kinds of ways for different classes of people to take care of it. Peasants could always band together and hire some ronin to assassinate you. If you butcher the wrong person, even the lowliest peasant, you never know who might decide to do something about it. Buddhist monks would often protect peasants from murderous Samurai, for instance. A Samurai who killed wantonly might be served poisoned sake, you didn't need a ninja or another Samurai to kill a Samurai. Mostly, the best way to survive was not to be a "tall poppy," and that was how most people navigated their daily lives. The more problems you start, the more problems you go around starting, the more problems there are out there waiting to catch up with you.
>>284075110Yes, modern cops sometimes get away with murder despite it being explicitly illegal and there being a video camera in every citizen's pocket.I want you to think very hard and carefully about that, and then you can think very hard and carefully about what that would mean in a time and place where murder was not strictly illegal and disputes and conflicts couldn't be proven with hard evidence.
Reminder that /a/ is a Takeda board.
>>284075493OYAKATA SAMA!
>>284075218As I said, they didn't have cameras, but eyes and ears were everywhere. Sorry, real life was never even 1% as bloody as people's bloody fantasies. Peasants were fucking economic units, cutting them down was frowned upon. Cutting down a lot of them was very frowned upon. If you cut down someone, you never knew who might decide to do something about it, there were 99 ways to die in Feudal Japan, people who caused problems would be seen as a nail that needed to be hammered down.
I've read a milion samurai stories set in the Edo period, but what are some good Sengokujidai manga?
>>284072233Cool...
>>284075218>I want you to think very hard and carefully about that, and then you can think very hard and carefullyAlso, this kind of condescension is "hard evidence" that you are speaking from a place of ignorance to someone who actually knows a lot more about Japanese culture and History than you, because I study real History, not just anime. A Samurai will lose respect if he lets slights and insults go unchallenged, but he would also lose respect if he only knows how to deal with them by pulling out his sword.As I have just demonstrated, I don't need a sword to cut an arrogant fool down to size.
>>284075773>heh I totally pwnd youretard
>>284075822Having already cut you down with mere words, I can now most effectively cut you down with mere silence.
>>284065273Takauji did nothing wrongalso by Nobunaga's time they weren't really in charge anymore, it was much later
>>284065273TES is horrible at the history part, it's not meant to be a genuine historical manga at all
>>284075989I think Matsui does a fairly good job of pointing out when he veers away from History into fantasy. Usually when he veers into more fantastical elements, he does so with a remarkably keen eye towards INTERPRETING History and not merely recording it.I'm not disagreeing with you at all, but I am offering apologia.
>>284076064I don't really expect a lot of absolute accuracy when it comes to anime and games. Though I can certainly think of a few examples were they really get off track.
>>284076064Plus he has the (self-imposed) handicap of having to write about a canon jobber that lost most of his fights and with little information about him outside of the records written about the life of his enemies.
>>284076064He doesn't, he constantly but very selectively quotes fanfic like the Taiheiki and adds his own interpretation as fact because the kids that are the target audience don't know any better. He knows exactly what he's doing. This works for Sengoku era works where people know there are many interpretations but Nanbokucho is so obscure that people won't know when the author is lying.
>>284075679Japan really likes certain periods over others. I with there were works on Genpei war. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OQpRQ8syqw
>>284075989>it's not meant to be a genuine historical manga at allNever was. It's historical fiction.
>>284076125Basara isn't even pretending to be serious so that's fine
I'm just waiting for Sengoku Komachi Kuroutan to get adapted one of these days.
>>284076290>Basara isn't even pretending to be seriousCool, this isn't either.
>>284076210Don't forget the Historical notes at the end of every volume. And calling the Taiheiki "fan fiction" is a stretch, in my opinion. It's a work of literature, which means it exists as a Historical artifact of it's own period as well as the older period it covers. Again, I am not disagreeing with your contention, only arguing that you slightly exaggerate.
Whatever all I care about is buttsex with beautiful japanese little trap boys.
>>284076558T. Nobunaga
>>284075493Why did he kill his more competent son and let his incest baby take over?
>>284076210>adds his own interpretation as factWhy lie? Pic related is in every volume.
>>284076724Devouring one's children is a very typical behavior of malignant narcissists.Uesugi Kenshin is obviously the superior Daimyo. I would be very happy to slay any dog who disagrees.
>>284076865>Uesugi Kenshin is obviously the superior Daimyo. I would be very happy to slay any dog who disagrees.Based. Taken too soon.
>>284076210Unlike American adults, Japanese children understand the meaning of "it's just a story bro"
>>284077022If anybody hasn't seen it, there's a really excellent movie made in 1990 called, "Heaven and Earth" which is about the lifelong rivalry between Kenshin and Shingen. It is obviously part Historical, and part romance, and it assumes the audience to have at least a basic understanding of the backstory . . . but it's cinematographically one of the most beautiful movies you will ever see in your life.
>>284077193>and part romance,
>>284076865>>284077022Meet me at Kawanakajima, not online and see what happens
>>284076227Biwa-chan...
If you had a tiny clone of Takauji would you torture it?
>>284077989But he didn't do anything, why would I?
>>284072233>>284074072Similar events happened during the English civil war and subsequent invasion of Ireland. What you described is horrific but not unprecedented historically.
>>284078520This tiny clone was made after Takauji did all that stuff.
>>284078664But he's a clone, he hasn't done anything.
>>284078697He THINKS he did. He has all the memories and muscle memory of doing it.
>>284075604And it wasn't like peasants were all just equivalent to livestock that moved things, they had specialized tasks for their villages and communities. If you went around killing people that other peasants liked they'd quickly start rioting. There's an interesting theory about all the witch hunting europeans used to do, apparently a lot of the people who were found guilty weren't actually executed for it, instead effigies of them was symbolically executed and the accused were just banned from receiving eucharist.
>>284065273>The cruel and treacherous Ashikaga Takaujit. Kusunoki Masashige
>>284075773>>284075892I gotta admit, that was pretty cool.
>>284076724His more competent son was plotting to undermine him and got caught, simple as
>>284076865>caring about the heretical virginGetting stabbed through the asshole by a toilet ninja was a better end than Uesugi deserved, the brother-killing fuck.
>>284077193
>>284078984Were these red guys actually a thing? They’re in Sekiro too.
>>284079138The Ii clan used all-red armor, but for the purposes of the film pic related's from it was to differentiate the Takeda from the Uesugi, who are depicted in all black.
I have nothing to add to this thread but I just want to say that I would fuck Tokiyuki's brains out.
>>284079349
>>284079412No.
>>284078737Well I still wouldn't harm him because I'm good and just, he would get to watch me and my 3 wifes.
>>284079138They are not the Ii clan. The red guys from Sekiro are called the War Ministry, and guess what was the office of Naomasa, the most famous scion of the Ii clan? The War Minister.Also, if you played Nioh, Naomasa's set is ludicrously overpowered and allows you to oneshot every boss with the correct spear combo.
>>284078844I'm not sure about that. In England they murdered so many young women that it affected the demography.
Remember: no matter how biased and distorted the Japanese view of their history is, it will never equal China, where mostly everyone know the events of the Three Kingdoms not from the excellent contemporary historical records, but from the propaganda (!) fantasy novel (!!) written 1,000 years after the fact (!!!)
in the 3 Kingdoms era, wars were not bloody because they were settled via rap battles.
The bloodiest pre-modern battle happened at Changping in the Warring States period, but with an asterisk. Only about 1% of the casualties were inflicted in battle. The Qin general managed to fully encircle the Zhao forces with all their reserves and take them prisoner. But then, because he didn't have enough food to feed thousands of prisoners, not did he know how to transport them all, he just ordered them all executed on the spot. People still keep finding skeletons in the ground constantly in that area.
>>284080491Basically all major civilizations (including modern civilization) were built upon mountains of dead bodies
>>284079935Interior Ministry. They’re supposed to be something something Nobunaga guys, but I have no idea if that’s an actual thing or something invented by fans who don’t really know Japanese history. Like me.
>>284080491Strong decisive Tang victory energy.
>>284076865>kenshin>superiorHe was a filthy buddhist. My lord Nobunaga was based for killing those.
>>284080735100% their own fault for getting corrupted and involved in mundane affairs. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.
>>284080735>be Nobunaga>kill buddhists and burn their temples because they're a pain in the ass >some buddhist leader denounces your cruelty and tells people you must be a demon>go along with it for the lulz, start calling yourself and signing your letters as "demon king of the sixth Heaven"I guess he was the only daimyo with a sense of humor.
>>284081020>I guess he was the only daimyo with a sense of humorYou just have read about the stories of him teasing Ranmaru. Pure comedy gold.
>>284065273>Although the Ashikaga clan would later be destroyed by Oda Nobunaga.What the fuck!? Ashikaga Yoshiaki outlived Nobunaga by 15 years.
The Sengoku Jidai was probably the worst in terms of political instability, but unless you had the bad luck to run into bandits it wasn't that bad. It wasn't good, but it wasn't "the worst".The worst was probably WW2 and the period immediately after, an entire generation was almost permanently fucked.
>>284081728doesn't mean anything if you're not shogun-sama anymore
>>284081884He WAS the shogun. Hideyoshi asked him to adopt him into his clan so that he could become the shogun, but he told him to fuck off, so he never actually did. Ieyasu could only do that because Yoshiaki died right before his seizure of power.
>>284078882
I'm an expert on the Sengoku period, Edo period, Bakumatsu, and Meiji, but in the Sengoku period, samurai actually cut their own stomachs when committing seppuku.Some samurai even cut their stomachs open and removed their intestines to show off their strength.However, seppuku was so painful that samurai from the Edo period onwards only pretended to do so, and were essentially beheaded.It's not true that if a member of the public was rude to a samurai, that samurai was allowed to kill them.Unless the member of the public was extremely rude to the samurai, the samurai wouldn't kill them.Unless there was a truly sound reason, a samurai who killed a member of the public was punished.This means that the samurai of that time were just like the police in America.However, once Japan entered the Meiji period and a new government was formed, former samurai were treated almost like persecution.I recently watched The Last Samurai Standing, and that's how former samurai were treated.https://youtu.be/eLfE-WiHAWU?si=iVLvG6HDJA_YUFi2
>>284082009He kept the title, but got kicked out of Kyoto and never got taken seriously again.
>>284080491Was that our hero Kanki?
>>284065273A reminder that you should watch the NHK drama Taiheiki (1991) for some proper historical tv kino.
>>284073468>Hideyoshi was a serf who made it extra hard for other serfs to get anywhere.Not extra hard, he mad it IMPOSSIBLE. The man was an opportunistic bootlicker who did anything he could climb the ladder and when he finally did, he pulled the ladder up so that nobody could do what he did because he figured that if he could do it, then someone with enough wit and guile from the bottom could do it and remove him from power. He was that kind of greedy piece of shit and history and media doesn't shit on him enough.
>>284080657And China is the strongest because it had the most bodies.
>>284079196>The Ii clan used all-red armor, but for the purposes of the film pic related's from it was to differentiate the Takeda from the Uesugi, who are depicted in all blackYamagata Masakage was reputed for wearing red armor and had his men do the same. He was one of Shingen's top battlefield commanders and it was Masakage that Naomasa took inspiration from and also donned all-red armor and had his men do so as well.
>>284082751Apparently he was taken seriously by Hideyoshi of all people.
Tell me about Unit 731. Is it all western propaganda or were they really that unhinged?
For me it's Date Masamune.
>>284073455>Peacemaker>Became mentally retarded enough to think he could conquer not just Joseon Korea and the Chinese Ming Dynasty but also Thailand and India and stupidly boasted it.>Most of his loyal subordinates, the Emperor himself and even his own mother tried to tell him to stop but ignored them. >Started the Imijin War and nearly conquered Korea but eventually lost to due to Korea's superior navy and having the legendary Admiral Yi Sun-Sin.>Already had an heir in the form of adopted Yoshitsugu but killed him and anyone associated him once he had an heir. This pissed off some of the powerful daimyo like Date and the Mogami because some of their daughters and relatives were included in the purge.It's sadly hilarous how Hideyoshi pratically gave Ieyasu everything he needed to topple the Toyotomi clan without even doing anything.
>>284082960Actually his reforms finally brought peace to Japan for ever and Ieyasu kept all of them in place when he seized the power.
>>284082871Haku Ki.
>>284083117>Became mentally retarded enough to think he could conquer not just Joseon Korea and the Chinese Ming Dynasty but also Thailand and India and stupidly boasted it.That was Nobunaga's plan that he merely inherited, but it's not wrong because the poster you replied to was talking about Nobunaga.
>>284083155All Hideyoshi did was ride on Nobunaga's momentum and finish the warring. It was Ieyasu who formed policies. Many of which he adopted or took inspiration from what Takeda Shingen had in mind. In the end Hideyoshi was nothing but peasant trash who reached beyond what he deserved.
>>284083666Idk if I should trust what you say Satan.
>>284082899This, it was amazing and actually got me interested in the time period.
>>284081884he wasn't really in charge before that, these were the last days of the shogunate anyway
>>284081020That's my Fool of Owari
>>284083083Never assume the Japanese were less insane than you expect
>>284072233Thanks, Grok
>>284072233So basically like the Thirty Years' War
>>284072457This just the excuse the author gave to himself so that Tokiyuki who got captured and got executed in our history, actually SOMEHOW avenged his clan and lived a peaceful life in history, maybe create the Southern Court or something to plague his dynasty for generations.
>>284073468So he's a boomer. Pulled the ladder up after climbing it.
>>284086355>battle that was lost irl and tokiyuki did nothing worth mentioning >actually tokiyuki won the battle for them but the evil takauji demon mindcontrolled people with saliva but tokiyuki ran away so he won anyway isn't he so cool btw he has 3 wives that he never had historically are you self inserting yet, kids?every time
>>284079349Well he's adolescent in the manga now so he probably got buttfucked by an adult man by this point thanks to samurai tradition having catamites.
>>284065273https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amcgmYLZGFQ
>>284082537(((They))) fear the Samurai
His story is exaggerated in the biography. That's because it's a later novel.However, the manga deliberately depicts it as fact.Since it's a story from the 1300s, there are no written records that describe it accurately.In fact, even in manga, there are often meta-descriptions stating “it's unclear whether this is historical fact.”
>>284086565And that means there's no way to disprove the argument that my deranged sexual fantasy about Tokiyuki getting plapped actually happened.
>>284082960Smart and based if true.
>>284083666>>284082960hideyoshi sure buttblasted the elites hard enough for them to seethe for 4 centuries
>>284081158>stories of him teasing RanmaruDo you have examples? I've seen some in manga but I doubt they're based on historical evidence
>>284083666Actually Hideyoshi commonly talked his enemies into accepting his sovereignty peacefully as opposed to Nobunaga who just murdered everyone in his way, and the way he managed to sideline the Oda clan would make Machiavelli cream his pants. More importantly, can you deny that Ieyasu built his regime on the foundation of his great reforms and would've failed without them?
>>284065273>the bloodiest and most horrific period in Japanese historyyeah absolutely not. 14th century was private warriors and nobles doing battle against each other, while the 16th century saw the military expand to include mass conscription of peasants and an increase in raiding and pillaging. and even that is nothing compared to to the meiji-early showa imperial wars.
>>284075679
>>284090884Incredible wife-potential in this appearance
>>284065292>minor periodLasted for as long as the US has now existed.
>>284075493I am a staunch Uesugi vassal. Death to all Takedas!
>>284077989No, I would worship it every day to further strengthen Takauji-sama´s divine powers.
>>284081020>be burned alive as if in hellKarma had the last laugh.
>>284091231He didn't, he KYS'd.
>>284075493>>284091199have you heard of our lord tangegashi- I mean Jesus Christ?
>>284080239Funnily enough we have the actual historical documents that can disprove many of the things that are in the novel. And Chinese historians themselves roll their eyes at people who try to use the novel as historical fact.
>>284091398Rape and keep her as a concubine to raise our children in their ancestral beliefs
>>284091438no that's what the ikko peasants are for.
>>284091465Good thing polygamy was the norm
>>284091398>>284091465Is there a Hojo or Shimazu one?
>>284091603no I only ever found two more by the same artist. I'm no as good as him but I could try to make one today if I have time
>>284091687
uoooo peasants erotic
>>284091687Bless your heart if you do. Might I suggest Hojo-chan commiting warcrimes?
>>284089548its missing Reiri and Sengoku Komachi Kurotan
>>284091398>>284091465>>284091687>>284091697>girlDOUBT
>>284092110>KurotanThis is an adaptation of a web novel, right? Is it better than the usual stuff?
>>284065273>Blah blah nerd! I dont care about some chinese history. post pics or webm of tokiyuki
>>284093382>TokiyukiYou mean the manly man that fucks his three wives multiple times a day every day?
>>284093382I'd rather post the REAL protagonist.
>>284093320yeah, personally i like it,that is if you isnt taking the “historically correctness” aspect seriously.
You should all pray to Takauji-sama
He is a very kind ruler
>>284094069That boy sucks his dick btw
>>284093320It started pretty strong for isekai standards but now the art often turns into lazy copypasted assets, the MC has become a bland Mary-sue and there's none of the comfy farming village moments from the early parts.Also they killed my boy Shingen.Read it if you enjoy the historical setting and Nobunaga-wank, but don't expect too much.
>>284073596Is there less hypocrisy and ignorance on twitter about the events of the week? This is our true nature.
Japs are a savage race
>>284093426And has 9 kids each year from his ultra fertile 3 wives?
>read Hyouge Mono>come accros an outlandish, ridiculous scene>how does the mangaka come up with this stuff??>it's all based on historical events
>>284072233>Bushidolmao, the meme of the Bushido being a code of chivalry always can show someone that only have learned story through YouTube videos
>>284097015Bushido and chivalry both share a lot in common. They even share similar misconceptions from being romanticized.
>>284086355Nah, it's true. My great-great-great-great grandfather's uncle worked as a plague doctor and he said that the infected rats looked like Takauji.
Please keep posting anons. I like reading historical stuff.
>>284097065Which is funny, because both were psyops with centuries between them. Chivalry was codified to shame knights from being rapey looters, and bushido was codified to keep idle samurai from rebelling against the administration.
>>284091810I know you posted the fire rocket but I liked the shape of the hand mortar. definitely not my best work.
For some reason, in the Takeshi movie, Oda Nobunaga is killed by Yasuke.In real life, Nobunaga committed suicide at Honnoji Temple.Was Oda Nobunaga actually bisexual?So, did Nobunaga have anal sex with Yasuke?https://youtu.be/sl68Y0YeRS4?si=Jt6Y6mz_b6qS_Lo6
>>284099091The desperate agenda to make Yasuke something more special than a pet nigger that got buried face-down in a pauper's grave with eta casualties in the aftermath of Oda's assassination is genuinely revolting, and shaming every time it's trotted out.
>>284098835Very nice, would burn enemy castles to the ground with herIf you feel like making more now, how about Mōri Pirate-gyaru
Yotoden really needs a bluray
>>284098835>>284099184>Mōri Pirate-gyaruThis fella
>>284099166When Yasuke was captured by Akechi, he was released because Akechi said he wasn't human.There's a strong theory that Yasuke then returned to his former masters, the Jesuits, and returned home.
>>284099329Way more likely one of Akechi's boys shanked his black ass and dumped him in a ditch, because there's no record of him existing in Jesuit sources after Oda's demise.
>>284099091>Was Oda Nobunaga actually bisexual?Homosexuality in Japan was fairly common prior to westernization in the Meiji era, with many kabuki actors working as crossdressing prostitutes as a side gig.While the specifics of Nohime's relationship with Nobunaga were lost to history, he was married to her and had a son with her. It is also important to note that these warlords generally had at least some measure of prison gay.>So, did Nobunaga have anal sex with Yasuke?No, Yasuke is a footnote.
>>284099400Akechi Mitsuhide called Yasuke an animal, not a human, so he's a super racist.Well, Akechi was a betrayal of his lord, but it was also because of Oda Nobunaga's severe power harassment.Well, if there was a black person in Japan during that time, they would have stood out quite a bit.He was probably killed by peasants or bandits after he was freed.But black people in Japan during that time would have been safe if they had stayed in a Jesuit church in Japan.
>>284099091>In real life, Nobunaga committed suicide at Honnoji TempleAlongside his dear lover Ranmaru yes.>Was Oda Nobunaga actually bisexual?Yes. Like most men in Japan and specially nobles and samurai before european christians and much later burgers tainted everything with their shitty brainrot morals and ideologies.>So, did Nobunaga have anal sexHe did very often with Ranmaru.
>>284099494Jesuits write shit down, they didn't write Yasuke's fate, he got merked, end of story.
>>284091106>>minor period>Lasted for as long as the US has now existedthe US is a minor
>>284099719US/Japan Hetalia is the age gap gay everyone asks for
>>284099531Japanese shoguns practiced polygamy, so of course Christianity wasn't popular in Japan at the time. Japanese people today hate Christianity too.
>>284099757>US/Japan Hetalia is the age gap gay everyone asks forshota US ToT
>>284099223fuck that's a good idea. I hope the thread survives until then.
My favorite Sengoku daimyo is probably Date Masamune.Who is your favorite?Date Masamune is simply cool, especially his armor.He was on the winning side and ran a pretty solid political team.
Minamoto no Yoritomo is said to be a bad person, but in the anime Heike Monogatari he is portrayed as a gentle character.His wife, the nun general Hojo Masako, was an evil character.Though their surnames changed, the Hojo family is a descendant of the Minamoto clan.Kamakura samurai were quite barbaric.They apparently collected the cut-off ears of defeated Mongol soldiers.https://youtu.be/sxKc6SrC0Nw?si=v4KVrf8lmwNPNdWx
>>284099801>Japanese people today hate Christianity too.No they don't. They clearly like the aesthetic, especially of the high churches. And also take a weird interest in gnosticism. Watch more anime instead of coming here just to post in off topic history threads.
>>284099531You forget to mention the widespread and socially tolerated practice of pederasty that many of these homosexuals committed. Weird how you omitted that.
Minamoto no Yoritomo was a hero to the Hojo clan.However, he used his younger brother, Minamoto no Yoshitsune, and ultimately killed Yoshitsune.That's why he's considered a villain.The Hojo clan of the Sengoku period is completely different from the Hojo clan in The Elusive Samurai.They only have the same name.
>>284099461>had a son with herThat son was adopted by Nohime. He was Nobunaga's though
>>284100432I mentioned Ranmaru. No need to tell the obvious.
Minamoto no Yoritomo wasn't a bad person, was he?Minamoto no Yoritomo was at the mercy of his wife, Hojo Masako.Hojo Masako was a pretty bad female shogun.
>>284100387That's a possibility.It's interesting that Japanese anime portrays Christianity from the perspective of the Japanese, a country that is not a Christian nation.Examples include Vinland Saga and Orb: On the Movements of the Earth.
>>284100310>Kamakura samurai were quite barbaric.>They apparently collected the cut-off ears of defeated Mongol soldiers.You're not wrong about them being crazy, but compared to the Mongols everyone is a pretty princess out for a nice picnic
>>284100387>off topicEveryone knows the best threads on any respective board are the off-topic ones like this
>>284100609To someone reading without much knowledge the pederasty that was potentially involved was not obvious at all. You went off ranting about how the west ruined Japan's morals as if to depict it as some great lgbt queer land yet didn't mention how things like that were allowed and quite widely practiced even by buddhist monks.
Favourite era? I like the Meiji
>>284100716The christianity that japs dislike are the american and korean evangelical mafias that extort people of money from people and trap them in their cults. They don't really care if someone follows something moderate like anglicanism or even consider roman catholicism a threat to their country like some westerners traditionally do.
>>284100750This is true. But sometimes the faggots from /his/ find threads like these and spam them with their haplographs and other retarded cancer.
>>284100816Edo.If there is one place I'd travel to, if I could go back in time it would be peak Edo
>>284100725The Mongol army was quite barbaric, but they did not commit massacres of the people of the countries that surrendered to their demands.Apparently, a king of a Middle Eastern country who refused the Mongol army's demands for surrender was executed by having molten silver poured into his ears.The Mongol army was strong in cavalry battles.The reason the Mongol army was so strong was because of the mobility of their horses, which allowed them to continue attacking when they looked like they were winning on the battlefield, and retreating when they looked like they were losing, a hit-and-run tactic.In Japan, an island nation full of mountains, the Mongol army's horses were of no use.
>>284073455>>284073596No, they don't like Oda or Toyotomi because of 300 years of propaganda by the Tokugawa shogunate.The Tokugawa stole the mandate from the successor of Toyotomi, so of course they want to paint them on an unflattering way so nobody could question their regime.>>284083117>>Started the Imijin War and nearly conquered Korea but eventually lost to due to Korea's superior navy and having the legendary Admiral Yi Sun-Sin.No, it because the Ming got involved in the conflict and started to support the Joseon side. The battle of Myeongnyang more direct consequences was the decision of the Ming navy getting involved.To be honest the Imijin war was nothing but a defeat to the peninsula of Korea. It basically set them 100 years back because all the destruction and death they endured and make their government weaker thanks to the increased Chinese influence. It's one of those conflicts that doesn't have any heroic outcome.
>>284101063>propaganda by the Tokugawa shogunateOne thing I've wondered for a while, if you know enough, is how Oda and Toyotomi were generally viewed under the government of Tokugawa's successors. Like, if they were seen as Ieyasu's glorious comrades who helped him save Nihon or if they were bloodthirsty devils
>>284100816Heian
The main reason why Japan and Britain were never invaded by foreign powers before World War II is because they are island nations surrounded by ocean.The Sea of Japan is a rough sea, so the Mongol navy was annihilated.If Genghis Khan hadn't died, Europeans today would probably look like Central Asians.The Polish knights fought bravely, but if Genghis Khan hadn't died and the Mongol army hadn't retreated from Europe, it would have only been a matter of time before the Mongol army invaded Europe.Do you prefer the Mongol army, samurai, or knights?https://youtu.be/kcnvmqypPk0?si=btTsoPrddN2M7GwNhttps://youtu.be/jM8dCGIm6yc?si=IOgZzC_mp6rF-c-Y
>>284100765You say that as if was a bad thing. Again, western brainrot morals and worse yet modern brainrot as nobody but you here mentioned the alphabet warriors.
>>284101212You type weird but I enjoy your posts somewhat
>>284101212>The Sea of Japan is a rough sea, so the Mongol navy was annihilated.they took losses but very much landed, battled with the samurai forces msutered against them and lost. please read In Little Need of Divine Intervention: Takezaki Suenaga's Scrolls of the Mongol Invasions of Japan by Thomas Conlan
Japan was lucky.If Japan had been invaded by the Mongols, its history would have been very different.The Mongol Empire was like a one-hit wonder, but the extent of their territory was enormous.
>>284101258The mongol empire was not an empire.
>>284075493Wrong! This is an Anjin board.
>>284101258>If Japan had been invaded by the Mongolsit was, mongols lost
>>284101258Man I want to do this
>>284101229You were suggesting that Japan had some superior morality in regards to homosexuality before westernization. You didn't mention the alphabet freaks but you uttered propaganda very similar to what they come out with. Your admission that you think pederasty is good says it all really.
>>284101287>Anjinwhat would the Japanese of the sengoku period name you?
>>284101258All island nations are very fortunate including the lesser ones like the Irish
>>284101381>the IrishFor us, I'd say our island status helped more in the sense we're pretty far removed from mainland Europe, but with nothing around us but Britain our island status probably hurt more than anything
>>284100716>It's interesting that Japanese anime portrays Christianity from the perspective of the Japanese, a country that is not a Christian nation.>Examples include Vinland Saga and Orb: On the Movements of the Earth.No offense but you talk like fucking chatGPT, which leads me to suspect that you're a bot.
>>284101477Actually sorry for calling you a lesser nation. Irish gaels have some cool medieval lore, lots of saints, colonized and civilized Scotland, and probably discovered Iceland before the vikings did. The lesser nations of the British Isles are the Cornish and Scots.>our island status probably hurt more than anythingHow is that
>>284101511he's just a child, cut him some slack
>>284101511A lot of historyfags talk like that for some reason, this goes back much further than when ai chatbots became useful.
>>284101608Maybe it's just academicspeak ingrained into them Although I have a degree and I don't do it so who knows
>>284101608historyfags, people with zero social skills and bad vision if we are even confortable with calling them people, do not talk like that; fools are autistically verboseexamples are found in /lit/ and /his/
>>284101718Academicspeak is a pretty easy habit to fall into.Fortunately, my own field has more loose language and so it's hard to run into this. I still tend to write 4chan posts the way i'd write reviewer response letters (or is it the other way around?).
>>284101758I do try to write in some sort of decent manner, but I don't exactly format my posts according to APA
>>284101787>APAwho the fuck is your APA?
>>284101757Most of the people who still post on /his/ are teenagers using history and religion as an excuse to console war, they're not interested in the topics themselves. That board became unusable ever since the fake pandemic lockdown.
>>284101787I'd argue that any reviewer of my paper probably was afforded the same level dignity that I afford to anyone on here. Whether this is an expression of respect to the people on here or a disrespect to the reviewers, you can pick on your own.But do know, that I have published successful work. It's not much, but my best non-review paper has over 150 citations.
>>284101360>You were suggesting that Japan had some superior morality in regards to homosexuality before westernizationNo, I was merely stating the fact that the homophobia that christians had/have and brought to Japan is unnatural brainrot and obviously the love between adult men and young boys and associated sexual practices is a very natural thing as much as any form of love and lust.People like you that think otherwise just shows how much damage shit morals and values and all the repression have done.
>>284101718Discussing history on 4chan can cause people to get very aggressive and sometimes even violent, it's hardly a bad habit.
>>284101854There is nothing positive about superiors coercing their younger inferiors into having sex with them. You can pretend it involved genuine love from both sides but really it was no different to modern casting couches such as the one used by that japanese boy band idol producer who got exposed a few years ago. They were forced to do it if they wanted to get higher up, and it's a very good thing that the west helped the japs abolish it.
>>284101212>The main reason why Japan and Britain were never invaded by foreign powers before World War II>BritainRomans, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Norse, Normans, Dutch?
Is Tokiyuki a screamer, a biter, a moaner, or a pisser?
>>284101840/v/, pleasei could literally summon meso anon here and tell him to rewrite that post of mine according to his own verbal cadence, a verbose but apt cadencelook, this isn't even about historyfags, it's about guys that actually know their stuff. these fucking annoying guys go rambling on and on, they don't let you speakthat's what they do and is good wake up call. it makes you realize that most anons know jackshit. we are too deep in our LARP we always take obvious bait
>>284101939Whatever makes you sleep at night, moralfag.
>>284101996>RomansThey never truly colonized Britain and didn't even control all of their claimed territory. >Angles, Saxons, Jutes,They never invaded, they entered peacefully from a migration that was going on since the roman times.>NorseThey were eventually kicked out and their remaining colony was massacred.>NormansThe only successful invasion, but their language and distinct ethnicity died out.>DutchWasn't really an invasion.
>>284101939>There is nothing positive about superiors coercing their younger inferiors into having sex with themthis guy must hate governments HARD
>>284102012console war is a pretty common phrase on all boards to refer to arguing for the sake of arguing
>>284102071>but their language and distinct ethnicity died out.if the anglos consider spainiards as arab rapebabies for less then it follows that anglos are norman rapebabies desu
>>284102115No one thinks that aside from mentally ill retards on /his/. That is certainly not a widespread opinion in the UK and nor would many people even be aware of the muslim rule over there.
>>284102103i know that, bruvait's still a /v/ term
>>284102007>pisserI didn't really care before, but I've decided now that I dislike shotacons. I feel bad, and a little morally outraged. I feel sad. Hmm
>>284102166FOOLit's a retarded /pol/ opinion. but thanks to adding /his/, that leaves us with basically 1/3 of this website's usersrealize now that you are sorrounded by imbeciles, you can still fix your life. close these tabs, leave 4chan
>>284101199In Heian, only the aristocracy lived an elegant life.During the Heian period, citizens lived in poverty.It was like the French Revolution.If Heian-kyo had survived, it would have been an incredible historical legacy.https://youtu.be/q-LImidZbkI?si=inHncoy71whGw0dL
>>284101579Well we aren't all that important on the world stage, outside of breeding like rabbits in the new world Anyway, I say that because we had incredibly unfriendly, highly-populated neighbours to the east, and endless ocean to the west. The times other countries gave us a hand were very few and far betweenI'll give you a fun fact if you didn't know, and tell you that Napoleon almost invaded Ireland at the wishes of a personal friend of his, and one of Ireland's most celebrated national heroes, Theobald Wolfe Tone
>>284102339>citizens lived in poverty.thats all of japan till the meiji restoration and you could probably stretch it to post wwii
>>284100030Takeda Shingen, easily. Too bad his kids weren't up to the task of succeeding him.
>>284102402The Taisho era is the best.The era of Demon Slayer.The image of this song.https://youtu.be/pLsAHrhCVEY?si=6tZ66IKy915gNvqa
>>284102402>thats all of japan till the meiji restoration and you could probably stretch it to post wwiithe people of edo lived pretty good lives during the tokugawa shogunate
>>284102357The land that became England was always going to control the rest of the isles, that was unavoidable. It's like thinking Hokkaido was ever going to do more than be part of Japan. That just was never going to happen.>we had incredibly unfriendly, highly-populated neighbours to the eastThose people were unfriendly due to religious differences, not because of the gaelic language or ethnicity or anything like that. a large amount of the protestant settlers in the north were from France since the French were literally killing protestants and forcing them to exit the country, something England never did to catholics.
>>284101212>The Polish knights fought bravely, but if Genghis Khan hadn't died and the Mongol army hadn't retreated from Europe, it would have only been a matter of time before the Mongol army invaded Europe.They invaded Europe after Genghis died.
>>284102492>The Taisho era is the best.unironically, yesI am a huge sucker for Taisho roman, but kimetsu no yaiba has basically no taisho in it.
>>284102513Is that just another attempt by poles to make themselves important to history?
>>284102402Aren't most japs considered middle class compared to the average westerner?
>>284102022ok groomer
>>284102508>due to religious differencesThe first invasion was long before that, although neighbours invading each other is hardly anything unusual (plus they were invited in by a local dope). After Henry VIII converted and implemented the surrender and regrant policy, part of it was the conversion to the Anglican Church as part of the process, but my understanding is that it was never really completely totalAnyway>not because of the gaelic language or ethnicity or anything like thatThey hardly invaded because they couldn't stand out language, but the speaking of Irish was rendered illegal and our culture was stamped out pretty hard to the point the Ireland of today is (despite how little people are willing to admit it) basically just Britain 2. Regarding ethnicity, you could maybe argue that wasn't a factor (but you'd be wrong), but after centuries of the Catholic/Protestant divide up the North, it's become more of an ethnic thing than a religious thing really (see the old joke about the tourist), and I've never heard of those French settlers before, but it seems there were very few of them compared to the amount of Scots and Anglos who set up shop
>>284101115Well, we know they didn't paint Oda as a benevolent or nuanced figure. Until 60-70 years ago, in the imaginary collective he was nothing but a villain.
>>284103116Didn't help that large numbers of Scots and Anglos were deliberately shipped into Ireland for migration replacement purposes.
>>284103266It was tried in a few different areas, but it only really worked to displace the natives during the Ulster Plantation, which is why we have Northern Ireland today up there
>>284099091Literally made up by one British dude who edited Wikipedia articles citing himself as a source.
>>284101115I don't know how old the saying is, but there's this idiom comaring the three:Nobunaga said: "Little bird, sing. If you don't sing, I will kill you".Hideyoshi said: "Little bird, sing. If you don't sing, I will make you sing".Ieyasu said: "Little bird, sing. If you don't sing, I will wait for you to sing".
>>284103431>Toyotomi playing with the branch I always figured 'making' in this context was a little more insidious
>>284103431>Ieyasu said: "Little bird, sing. If you don't sing, I will wait for you to sing".>Kills 40,000 christians in your path.
>>284089489>Actually Hideyoshi commonly talked his enemies into accepting his sovereignty peacefullyThreatening to do what Nobunaga would've done ain't much better. >More importantly, can you deny that Ieyasu built his regime on the foundation of his great reforms and would've failed without them?Yes, because that monkey-ass didn't reform anything other than enacting the caste system. Ieyasu was the gamechanger. He was the one who came up with what enabled 3 1/2 centuries of peace. Hideyoshi rode on Nobunaga's momentum and Ieyasu, Mistunari and other vassals let him play at being top shit and think he was flexing on everyone because that's all that Hideyoshi cared about. He wasn't some great man of the people who rose from the bottom do deliver the common folk out of poverty. He was a greedy asshole who wanted to be wealthy and have power and wormed his way through licking boots and backstabbing anyone he could to get there and made it impossible for anyone like him to do the same out of fear that someone WOULD do it.
nobunaga > hideyoshi > ieasu
>>284103538Christians don't count
>>284103668Damn I had forgotten about this silly show
>>284102497During the Edo period, the female population was small and the male population was large. Therefore, there were many men who remained single throughout their lives.Also, there were many famines during the Edo period.
>>284103751Literally me.
>>284103751>During the Edo period, the female population was small and the male population was largeLies
>>284103842it's what the records says, anon, surely they'd never lie.
>>284103431If Oda Nobunaga and Toyotomi Hideyoshi had lived longer, Japan would have entered the Age of Discovery and acquired many colonies.
>>284104148Toyotomi wanted to conquer the great empires of mainland asia but couldn't even hold Korea. Maybe they could've taken the Philippines and bits of Indonesia or something, but not much more than that
>>284103431Kinda rubs me that they are using a てみる in a volitional form to express this. It this a quirk of japanese of don't mix a させる with a volitional or it's to make sound Toyotomi more adulatory?
The reason Osaka is Japan's second largest city after Tokyo and thrives is because Toyotomi Hideyoshi used it as his base.It was Tokugawa Ieyasu who made Tokyo (Edo) his base.It was Toyotomi Hideyoshi who assigned Ieyasu to Tokyo.This is because Tokyo (Edo) at the time was a swampy, barren land.
>>284103538>>Kills 40,000 seditious Catholics in your pathDon't get it twisted
>>284103538>Kills 40,000 christians in your path.There weren't enough Buddhists around after Nobunaga was done with them, Ieyasu had to make do.
GOD DAMN MONGORIANS!
>>284104304Not that barren, the Hojo made the Kanto a breadbasket. Ieyasu built on that foundation and turned the region into a political powerhouse.
Did anyone else use a cooler phrase than Oda's seal?
>>284104640Furinkazan
>>284100816Taisho for the /fa/
post history OPshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JvC65KNC64https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6iHps7nLFshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmpgKUcm2nI
>>284105232https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH1QzDo59ZI
Modern Japan should revere the Emperor and expel barbarians again.
>>284105260Man, that's heavy as hell. Thank you Anon
>>284105373https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvoimlIl_Pk
>>284102007Please be a foid otherwise this is kinda gay
>>284105469https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqaL99hX6Ec
>>284105496https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF2EVmO5y3A
>>284105260There's another one in dire need of a bluray. Good lord, so many shows lost to inferior format.
>>284105482>Please be a foid
>>284105573I would sacrifice a princess to the Anzai for a restored Hakkenden, minus the awful animation style changes it goes through as the episodes progress.
>>284105575>Just taking what he wantsYou know what, I can respect that. Not gay I suppose.
>>284105626Well that was sort of the point. Anyways looking up Hakkenden these days is kind of a depressing thing. I guess they made some ultra faggy remake a ways back because for some reason Japan is obsessed with gay samurai.
>>284105768That fake-ass modern day Hakkenden was tragically bad. Grist for the fanfic mill.
>>284080491Any recommendations for Chinese history? Ravages of Time and Kingdom are as far as I've gone into the subject.
>>284104358>>>Kills 40,000 seditious Catholics in your path*Jesuits (Jews)
>>284065273People don't understand how much propaganda is perpetuated by these stories. Even harmless crap like Kenshin plays up a bunch of false history and sells the myth as truth. We just have to accept it as entertainment and not as “accurate” history. Look at the completely ahistorical portrayals of people. It starts by painting them as beautiful bishonen and the “wrong” ones, old and dirty men, or for “accuracy” as wise old men. All tropes to play on people's emotions.
>>284106222Holy trips checked.
>>284106318yeah we already knew that, for some reason you retards think you're onto some huge discovery though.
>>284106318https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/rot-beneath-the-blossoms-sumiko-nakano/1148552864?ean=9798232946135The myths get dispelled readily if one has the desire to. The ideal is a heady drug, though, so most would rather stick with the story over the facts.
>>284106396No, anon. There is literally a right-wing movement based on these lies. If you don't debunk them, they become true. Bushido or even harmless things like ninjas.
>>284106318>We just have to accept it as entertainmentYou mean the thing we already do?
So you be telling me no one in Europe had Divine Powers to suck back up from Takauji?
>>284107396>What you MEAN Wooden Gear that used innocent civilians as armor didn't exist?!
>>284107396Divine Power being restored to Europe would allow Napoleon to be born
>>284107002Let me see... Yotei, AC Shadow, Tsushima, Last Samurai, or any Western take on Eastern IPs. They are heavily criticized. I do get that Last Samurai had a white guy intervening during the Iraq War. It was out of touch if not intentional. But these new games were attacked for months just because they painted the wrong politics. While Japan subverts all the time and no one bats an eye, in fact, they embrace it as the truth.
>>284083117He lost the Imjin war because he overstretched his forces after a very successful/fast first invasion and many of the daimyo generals were fucking retards who did not want to cooperate with each other since they were rivals and only stuck to looting the Korean peasant countryside. At no point did Hideyoshi ever send the full might of his armies against the Ming and many Ming victories were due to having much better/stable logistics whereas Toyotomi forces had to live off the land, did not have enough gunpowder and had to hole themselves up in Korean castles and starving to death. It also doesn't help that Hideyoshi never personally set foot in Korea to take full control of the war effort (he was sickly and old) because he wouldn't have been so ruthless as his daimyo were to Koreans (a huge reason as to why the Koreans resisted fiercely and made the invasion more difficult than it had to be)
>>284107795>Yotei, AC Shadow, TsushimaI don't like these because they're bad entertainment
>>284107795>nnnoooo you have to eat westoid propagandaNice try.
>>284108289I criticize it because it's fucking lame. AC, for example, has always been absurd. It has never been historically accurate, except for the environment, which, as proven by the Notre Dame fire, is autistically detailed. But the idea that Japan crap is more realistic and less propagandistic is just ridiculous.
>>284107912You need to admire how after their ancestors killed 10% of their population and fail to asimilate the koreans, the Japanese Empire chose to double down on that strategy and decided their were unsuccessful because they weren't enough ruthless.
>>284108146I just want a game were I can go absolutely Ninja Scroll on shit.
>>284083117>>284101063>muh korean dragon boat and legendary admiralLMAOThis is all propaganda to rewrite history, literally one piece tier.Japan completely destroyed korea so fucking hard they nearly collapsed into africa tier if not for the death of hideyoshi.Japan is just on another level when it comes to war.WW2's defeat was due to japan not understanding the jewish enemy they aggrovated when they destroyed the asian drug and human trafficking market which is why it all shifted into south america
>>284109231You fucking retard, read this again "To be honest the Imijin war was nothing but a defeat to the peninsula of Korea." and tell me were I am prasing the victories of Yi Sun-Sin.Fucking weebs.
>>284109257There are no victories of that admiral, get it?It's a giant propaganda piece to raise moral and get over this defeat.Those dragon boats never had any iron for instance, he never even mentioned it in his fucking journal.
>>284109334Again, fucking retard weeb reatd this >>284101063 and answer this easy question "where I am prasing the victories of Yi Sun-Sin?"Your kind is fucking pathetic. Always comming to defent the imaginary honor de Japan without any critical thinking.
>cuckreans actually though yi sun sin destroyed the toyotomi navy when at no point did hideyoshi ever employ a proper navy and used mostly ragtag fishing vessels as the supply chain while most of the war effort was concentrated in raping pillaging and razing korean towns and fortresses which is where the koreans were horribly outmatched and had to beg for big daddy ming china to save their asses
You should watch Black Lion. It's famous for it's history.
>>284107795>Tsushima>heavily criticizedWhy are you just making up shit? And Yotei isn't even out on any platform that matters so nobody knows abut it.
>>284065273>The era of the Elusive Samurai was the bloodiest and most horrific period in Japanese history.Even more so than the Sengoku era?
>>284110562Look let's just put it out there. There's not a single point in Japan's history that wasn't a constant blood bath.
Oh yes I too would love to go back in time. Why? To freely have gay anal sex with beautiful youths of course
>>284107643>The Elusive Samurai except it's about Napoleon and some Bourbon boy or something I can see it
>>284111622To ancient Greece you mean?
>>284111955No, Japan. I have yellow fever.
>>284097015>This fucking guy doesn't even own his own time machine! HA HA HA HA HA!!!
>>284112498Taukauji-sama!
>>284102071>They never truly colonized Britain and didn't even control all of their claimed territory.Except they redefined British isles culture pushing the Celts out of mainstream>They never invaded, they entered peacefully from a migration that was going on since the roman times.Their peaceful migration finished off Celts for good>The only successful invasion, but their language and distinct ethnicity died out.Norman language reinvented the English language and basically everything they have now.
>>284111622>To freely have gay anal sex with beautiful youthsYou’d still most likely have to pay for the beautiful ones, and I hate that. It's not real intimacy if it’s transactional and they aren’t genuinely into it.
I think it's all overblown, how did japan have over 40 million citizens by the world wars then if shit was that bad?They had over 80 million fuckers by 1950, shit is insane.
>>284115840You do realize the term "baby boom" isn't just retarded internet lingo right?
>>284115960Japan and the USA had the same population around the middle of 1860's. And that is mainly because the population of Japan barely growth during the edo period thanks to the bad of foreign commerce. Yes, life wasn't easy but Japanese cities were a relatively good place to live.
>>284115840It isn't, but modern people need to make themselves feel better due to living in a corporate hellscape, so they are trying to portray the past worse than it actually was. This goes twice as much for Japan because they are actual irl cyberpunk dystopia.
>>284117438>they are trying to portray the past worse than it actually wasThe past was significantly worse than you can imagine and than it is generally portrayed.To use the Sengoku period as a clear example, the average Japanese was like 5 foot tall.>they are actual irl cyberpunk dystopiaJapan is actually doing rather well, their key domestic issue are stagnating wages and the wealth divide between the North and West and the South and East. Generally every piece of anti-Japan propaganda is from the 80s and Japan has found solutions for many of these problems.
>>284117673>he past was significantly worse than you can imagine and than it is generally portrayed.No, it isn't. Because whenever people talk about how bad the past was, they only cherry-pick the eras of warfare like Sengoku. But the thing about history is that it is cyclical, and eras of war are followed by eras of peace. >Japan has found solutions for many of these problems.Then why are the population rates still stagnating, corpo-kun.
>>284072457fucking nipwank i swear
>>284110702Ashikaga Takauji was also the person who changed the emperors of that era.
Why are there so many strong villains with beards like this? Like Li Mu from Kingdom.
>>284118706>strong>doesnt nothing but meat wallsLi Mu is a fraud
>>284065273>Although the Ashikaga clan would later be destroyed by Oda Nobunaga.They had already mostly destroyed themselves by the time Nobunaga was on the rise. By the time he could start bossing the Shogun around, they were on their last legs and only a miracle could have salvaged what their own familial mismanagement of rule had wrought. Oda was just the one who put the last nail in the coffin.
>>284112498By the way, isn't the reason why Ashikaga Takauji is the cruelest and most evil person in Japanese history because he even murdered the Emperor? The Japanese Emperor is like the Pope.
>>284117961>Because whenever people talk about how bad the past was, they only cherry-pick the eras of warfare like SengokuVirtually all premodern eras of relative peace prior to the second world war saw the vast majority of the population living in squalor, deeply malnourished with a massive infant mortality rate and no access to food and water.Even the very wealthy people of the old times were malnourished and generally unwell.>history is that it is cyclical, and eras of war are followed by eras of peaceHistory is not "cyclical" in the slightest, unless you are satisfied with vague "cycles" that are as vague as they are useless.>Then why are the population rates still stagnatingBecause people don't have any money, because wages haven't increased in the past 20 years or so and it is difficult to find a girlfriend there. An issue you are surely familiar with.
Reminder Shingen stopped fighting the Uesugi because he found out Kenshin was a girl
>>284102007Plot twist. Tokiyuki does all of that while raping you.He screams at you for being weaker than a kid while also loudly professing his love for you, bites your whole body to demonstrate your weakness and to taste every bit of you, moans while using you for his own pleasure as his exclusive toy, and finally pisses on your battered body as a way to mark you as his property so you never forget his scent.
>>284119003A part of me wishes this was true, but then I remember Kenshin was in his late 40's by the time he died (so I can't get excited by imagining a hag)
>>284119171Get the fuck outta here. He was literally BUILT to bottom.
>>284119223He's a degenerate powerbottom that will fuck you dry and chase you to the end of the world if you dare to run away.
>>284118914>Virtually all premodern eras of relative peace prior to the second world war saw the vast majority of the population living in squalor, deeply malnourished with a massive infant mortality rate and no access to food and water.Ah, so you are a liberal. Stubbernly trying to perpetuate the myth that progress and modernity is good. >cause people don't have any money, because wages haven't increased in the past 20 years or so and it is difficult to find a girlfriend there.So which one is it then? You have stated that they resolved their problems. Now you are claiming the opposite.
>>284078618English Civil War lasted 9 years. Less than half of one generation. (25 years)Sengoku Jidai lasted 150 years. Six full generations.
>>284119677>that progress and modernity is good.yes, it's good.>>284119677>You have stated that they resolved their problemsOf the cyberpunk dystopia variety, yes.
>>284119171This sounds like it was written by a female shotacon.
>>284099091Yasuke definitely existed, but he was just a guy who Nobunaga kept around, and as far as history knows he didn't really do anything. There are no records of him actually going to battle or doing anything noteworthy and he was returned to the jesuits after Nobunaga was killed.
>>284119746>Of the cyberpunk dystopia variety, yes.lol, lmao even
>>284100030I looked up his descendants.Fucking hell, the Date clan ran like 400 years, up to modern times. Only recently did it die out/stop. He was an actual fucking winner.
>>284120013you disagree?Want to tell me more about that, then?
>>284120027The Tokugawa clan still has a head, but I think he might be adopted from outside any branch
>>284107795>these new games were attacked for months just because they painted the wrong politics.Yes, those politics are wrong enough that they subvert the identity and validity of native people on their land. It IS a huge thing. Jap media doesn't question Japanese ownership of their own fucking country and it doesn't portray invaders as "misunderstood victims".
>>284076558He's straight with three wives who would kill you before you could even touch him
>>284119290>>284119223How bad did your parents fuck up that you spend so much time obsessing over a straight guy with wives
>>284120054The picture speaks for everything
>>284120027>>284120109Well the Shimazu still exists in Kyushu and they're the head of the Shimadzu Corporation.
>>284120501>>284120456hope he sees this bro
>>284120511Just one death above the rate of the USA. Doesn't look bad.
>>284120567When you die the only way anyone will know is when your fag spam stops, lol
>>284120681I'm imagining putting my dick inside Tokiyuki and there's nothing you can do about it.
>>284120918Based
>>284120647>one death more is not that badYou really are a soulless liberal.
>>284120918You are mentally ill
>>284121021It's clearly almost the same number, also it's 1 death per 1000 deaths.
>>284121021If you want to look at it with numbers, in the USA around 49 thousand people died by suicide and in Japan 21 thousands. It seems in line with what happen in developed countries. Tragic, yes. Not a unique situation limited to Japan.
>>284121021Everything is just numbers, that's how the world works and that is what makes for effective governance. There is no space for bleeding hearts in government. Only a "soulless" bureaucrat can govern effectively
>>284121335It is almost like the entire world is following a similar trajectory, becoming more globalised, homogenized, corporations are becoming more and more influential, governments and corporations are trying to more and more control the internet, they dont care about the people and just want the line see go up to keep the market chugging on, and they even push the entire AI thing to replace the human workforce over time. So yes, forgive me if I can't see the modern world as good. In the 30 years of my life the world actively declined and became more and more soulless and cold compared to the past. In the past you at least had some ways to lash out against it, but now even those outlets were steadily taken away.
>>284120027>>284120109>>284120527The majority of Samurai clans are still around and held a large influence after the Meiji period.A really funny anecdote is Hideyoshi’s ancestor still lives where his domain was. He would take a cab and the drivers referred to him as lord.
Mmmmm gay sex with Japanese little boy armpits!
>>284111955The samurai were fucking younger dudes constantly
>>284121903I think the actual reason is that people don't really have a lot of money actually.And you can cope and intellectualize all you want, but it's aall just other ways to say "people don't have enough money and they know that they can have nice things with money"
>>284121903>In the past you at least had some ways to lash out against it, but now even those outlets were steadily taken away.No, no you didn't. Why are you deluding yourself?
>>284122122Rich people promote dogshit things so clearly not
>>284122122>I think the actual reason is that people don't really have a lot of money actually.I sure wonder why people don't have enough money. How clueless can you be? Are you a fed, a corposhill? Is it really that hard to admit that the current world is hell?>>284122142You did. You could have revolted. You could have challenged someone to duel. YOu could have go on a strike. All of those were taken away.
>>284122307Ah, you are a communist. I see.
>>284122307>You could have revoltedand then you die>You could have challenged someone to dueland then you die>YOu could have go on a strikeand then you die
>>284122027Imagine the taste
>>284122328>Ah, you are a communist. I see.Nice try, fed. I am a monarchist and ruralist like Tolkien was. And Gerogist.
>>284122625But the measures you suggested sound very much like the sort of collective action that Marx proposes. Forming a union, going on strike together, revolting together. Collective action and solidarity. That's communism right there.You believe in communism, at lesat in most basic fashion. You might call your belief something else, but at the end of the day, it is in line with Marx' writing on how to improve worker's rights.Remember, labels are shorthand for ideas, they are not ideas in themselves.
>>284121903Nice blog. But you aren't as interesting as a fictional shota in medieval Japan.
>>284122307>You did. You could have revolted.Revolts still happen all around the world. Just this year there were some in Nepal and Madagaskar.>You could have challenged someone to duel.That was a practice among a tiny aristocracy class. Any outsider could do shit.>YOu could have go on a strike.Those happen all the time too. Not just third world, even in Europe.
>>284122027Sexo
>>284120567He will and will give me one of his famous nicknames!
>>284121794And that's worked so great for everyone so far...
>>284122955yes very much so.the period after the second world war brought prosperity unimaginable at any point in the past.Ultimately, governing based on number rather than feelings is how you achieve success.
>>284123013I agree anon, we should have another world war so the money line can go even more up.Ultimately I don't really care cause I can't affect change, but my main gripe is that those in power aren't doing anything cool.We need someone with some fucking style and ambition or just insanity to fucking do something.
>>284123463>I agree anon, we should have another world war so the money line can go even more up.Nobody is talking about money lines, I am talking about quality of life, which is very different.
>>284123463>my main gripe is that those in power aren't doing anything coolSee, this is the problem, you're a child.Governance is boring, it is a boring subject with a boring objective that is nonetheless very important. Governing a country is about the allocation of tax revenue. There is no room (or need) to do "something cool". You should be boring. Effective governance is boring.
>>284123621See you equate cool with childish things for no reason. Creating a working society is cool, but nobody has any reason to bother when they can just take the "boring" way of doing nothing.
>>284099184>>284099223tried going more loose and fast with this one, but the anatomy came out wonky.
>>284124677Yes, but you create a working society by doing things that are boring. You create a working society by taking what you have and making incremental improvements until you have something that works and then you just try to make it work better.
>>284124677Part of what you're saying isn't wrong, but part of it is. Committing a great change is very cool and you can add all the aesthetics you want to your new government, but in the years after you need to sit down and allocate pensions or else it all falls apart See the jihadists in Afghanistan who hated going from a holy war to being office workers after America left
>>284124949>but the anatomy came out wonkyI like it! It reminds of the exagerated poses Date Masamune does in Hyouge Mono.Are you going to color it?
>>284125727not today at least, sorry
>>284122625>I'm a nonsense ideology that is 2 centuries obsolete.lol, lmao even.
>>284123463yeah, it's really embarrassing how the most powerful people of today are fucking dweebs with no imagination
>>284126430I bet he feels like the coolest man on the planet smoking that thing
>>284126430>>284126484That is AI slop.
>>284126545yes it isdoesn't change a thing about the rich dweebery
>>284127000Sorry that you are needed of a father figure. But I assure you that a king would make you feel better.
>>284127598>Sorry that you are needed of a father figure.is this even english
>>284127598What the fuck am I reading
