This single panel contradicts everything we know about demons. It's never acknowledged by anyone and is instantly forgotten. This shit is not intricately planned. It's just bad writing.
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>>284115725>isekai slop has shit writingin other news, water is wet
>>284115725Fuck off bot.>>284048608
>>284115725Contradicts what? Flamme tells that they have a society and the strongest is respected. That demon kid just want to prove his strenght to grow in the ranks.
Another post of the same braindead retard that dislike Frieren because it is better than their favorite anime/manga.If you dont have reading comprehension, finish elementary school, but dont come here to talk nonsense.
>>284115968That's not how demon society works. The only thing they care about is strength, that's it. Being a useful henchman does not in any way improve their social standing. You're doing the same thing the author does and project human socialization/culture on demons even though they should not work that way.
>>284116056>If you dont have reading comprehension, finish elementary school, but dont come here to talk nonsense.>"Demons only communicate to deceive.">Seconds later, shows demons communicating with each other, to share information, with no humans in earshot.
>>284116137I took it as they only communicate with humans to deceive, but they can communicate with each other to cooperate (often at killing humans).Obviously the demons cooperated under the demon lord.
https://desuarchive.org/_/search/boards/a.desu.meta/text/earshot/Report and move on people
>>284116173>I took it as they only communicate with humans to deceive, but they can communicate with each other to cooperate (often at killing humans).Retard. They say "only one reason" that doesn't automatically mean multiple reasons. They're communicating for a reason other than deception meaning it directly contradicts what Frieren says.
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>>284116257>"Language for them is a tool used to deceive.">There's only ONE REASON why man-eating predators would speak the human language."What's there to misinterpret? Do you just use autism when you encounter an argument you can't refute?
>>284116285>doesn't deny itWe have a winner!
>>284116309Bad faith and not responding to any questions is usually a sign that the person isn't capable of countering an argument. This is the case with Frieren fans I've noticed.
>>284115725>>284115950Based autist. Keep up the good fight. Frieren is pure slop and its braindead fans have no retort to your points.
I just assumed that Frieren is an intentional dark comedy where the protagonists think and behave exactly like the demons.
>>284115725Am I going crazy or did we just do this thread
>>284116437Demon autists have been at this for months.
>>284116257>it's autism to interpret only one reason as actually only one reason
>>284115725Deport and destroy all Demons!
>>284116531>fern says demons only speak to deceive>this claim creates an inviolable universal truthAs the other anons said, autism.
>>284117440The demon is the one that says "Only one reason" not Frieren. Did you even read the manga?
>>284115725frieren is not exactly consistent anywhere>she had trouble with a measly dragon early on but later is revealed to know magic so advanced it is not even "recognized as magic">why don't the fly around more instead of walking?>magic kryptonite is introduced intro the world but it's not apparent earlier in the series (rich people would always have that on them for protection)
>>284116056>Jojotard defending FrierenI shouldn't be surprised
>>284115725>he posted it againhow mindbroken can you get
>>284115725>everything we knowhave you ever heard of an 'unreliable narrator'?
>>284116437https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFvf_GhBP6U
>>284115725>Autistic faggot in charge of understanding emotion.Wew lad.
>>284118685The show never once frames Frieren as being in the wrong for her beliefs about the demons. The only time they tried challenging her belief, she was shown to be right again. It's been 150 chapters. How much longer does the series have to go on for before you drop the cope and admit there's a problem?
>>284115780Frierien isn't isekai.
>>284119264It's a native one.
>>284116087but if thats what the author is doing like you said, aren't you just complaining about the story not aligning with your head canon?
>>284120919Native isekai doesn't exist.It's called narou.And even then Frieren isn't also narou since it doesn't have shit like levels, RPG stats and other BS.
>>284121551No, I'm talking about the writing being inconsistent and bad. I'm allowed to critique what the author writes you dumb shit.
>>284115725Jesus I'm so glad I don't watch/read this normalfag garbage
bump
Retards don't understand that Frieren isn't right about everything all the time.
>>284123097When have the ever shown her as being in the wrong about demons?
>>284123215Whenever demons interact among each other. They are still evil creatures that need to be destroyed on sight but there's some nuance there even if they can never be anything but predator and prey to other intelligent races.
>>284123539There's a blindingly obvious distinction between these contradictions being shown on screen and actually acknowledged by the characters as part of the writing.
>>284115725why is she wearing modern clothing?
>>284123720Because the show's writing is retarded.
>>284116285>Demons speak to deceive; they also speak to communicate (possible).Simple.
>>284125623No. It's the show contradicting itself.
>>284118140>"recognized as magic"By Fern. It's still magic.>why don't the fly around more instead of walking?They explained this. I'm not repeating it for you.
>>284116213Unironic semantics, were talking about social interaction not mathematical laws
>>284116285Perhaps when they speak to each other with no humans around they are speaking the demon language, translated for our convenience
>>284118140>magic kryptonite is introduced intro the world but it's not apparent earlier in the series (rich people would always have that on them for protection) This shit is the worst. Warriors are basically superhumans who are immune to crystals, and it's ridiculous that they don't constantly abuse this ability to kill mages. Just look at the current arc. It makes you wonder why the hell warriors attack head-on instead of formulating a plan around crystals, considering that all their enemies are mages. The author of Frieren constantly includes elements that he probably thinks are great at the time, but later realizes are stupid. The whole nature of demons is an example of this.
>>284128319Yes, and they use language to decieve. Not to convey information, which is then contradicted by them conveying information with language.
>>284129592They use language to decieve humans, thier preyThey also communicate with thier fellow demons as and when neccessary, just like every other species of predator known to science
>>284129876Doesn't matter what they're talking about. They're using language at that moment for something other than deception, something that the show and characters say is the only reason they speak like humans. Talking about deception is not the same thing as deception. Meaning it directly contradicts what Frieren says. Fans of this show are so retarded, I swear to god.
>>284129973Your entire argument is based on an autistically narrow interpretation of her wordsThe technique she is describing is something we humans do to the animals we hunt as well. We learned to speak the deeper language in the form of lures and callers for the sole purpose of decieving them into being killed and eaten. What you are hearing when you hear freiren speak is essentially that relationship from the deer's perspective, where anything except the use of deer language for deception is considered irrelevant to the conversation at hand and omitted as a resultIf you have had yourself tested for autism yet you really, genuinely should
>>284129592They convey information but that's not the reason they speak language. Same as they speak to deceive but make sound. They'd need to deceive without making sound to not contradict themselves. checkmate
>>284130094The demon themself says "There's only one reason why man-eating predators would speak the human language."It is then immediately contradicted by them communicating with each other using the human language with no one in earshot. How are you seriously this retarded?
>>284115725It's so funny how "Demons are a standin for real world races" is an argument used both for and against their inclusion
>>284130203Frieren fans like to attribute the whole>Demons are minorities thingTo it's critics, yet it takes literally 10 seconds to see them going "Frieren is racist and that's awesome." while the show was still airing.
All of this because he's still seething about Frieren mindcontrolling that one demon chick into killing herself. Meanwhile I can't even remember her name.
>>284130163>"There's only one reason why man-eating predators would speak the human language.">speech produces sound (in the anime)Defend this. They're speaking to produce sound. I was told the only reason was deceiving.
>>284130339I'm not entertaining a nonsensical bad faith retarded argument.
What does the demon language sound like?
>>284130373>no argumentI accept the concession. You can't defend it.
>>284115725Kill yourself
>>284130425No, you're just trolling or making a bad faith argument on purpose because you're a retarded Frieren fan and can't argue to save your life. You know this series is dogshit and you're willing to do anything to defend it.
>>284130163How do you know they were using the human language if there were no humans around? Nobody in that world speaks English its all translated for the audiences convenience
>>284130523commit suicide already you worthless nolife faggot. You """""being ironic""""" doesn't change the fact that you're wasting your life.
>>284130523As expected of anime-onlies adaptation shills. You couldn't explain the sound. I had figured you couldn't argue this out.
Fungi communicate through their mycelium, bees through dance and pheromones, and elephants through touch and infrasonic calls. In general, forms of communication are as varied as they are limitless, so it does feel a bit strange that demons learned human language solely to deceive humans, yet apparently can’t express themselves in any other way. I think I agree with >>284128474 the author of Frieren keeps introducing concepts he seems to find interesting, but doesn’t fully think through their implications
What does the demon language sound like
>>284130409Chinese, weirdly enough
All this bitching about the show is making me want to watch the show. Literally every tome someone possesses a stronger opinion than "yeah nah it sucked FotM slop I've got better things to watch", it's always a nuclear-option Final Sperg where NO ONE can like the show for ANY reason. Like shut up negro, I've seen what you "people" watch instead. This show cannot possibly be worse than Re:Zero or Fate. Fuck outta here.
>>284132659it's a good manga/anime, we nitpick and bitch because we care about it
>>284116137They are speaking to the cause of a predication in demonic nature, not the individual motivation of any one demonic supposit. Since this interspecies constructive use of the faculty does not violate the telos, it is still an act their will can choose without violation of nature.
>>284119234the author has either been laying the groundwork for an eventual twist for years, or the author is hilariously incompetent at conveying what he wants to portrayjudging by the fact that this manga is universally acclaimed, the former must be true
>>284133390I don't know who this "we" is but it's sure not whoever makes the vast majority of the complaints you see around here
>>284116437This board has dedicated schizos for everything. It's like that one retard that endlessly makes threads to complain about Full Metal Alchemist.
The retcon that evil things are actually good is so prevalent in culture (for some reason) that subverting it actually is creative. I don't like this normieslop, but I want it to maintain the evil beings must be purged by light stance to the end, if only to annoy redditors.
>>284136251Who? We and I.
>>284136475Sure, but if the reader is told that demons are ontologically evil based on a certain description of their behavior and their actual behavior as shown in the manga frequently contradicts that, then it's impossible for the story to stick to the good vs evil narrative without turning the "good guys" into liars. Save that for a story where it fits.Or do you have some problem with genocide against a hostile species that poses an existential danger to your tribe? Is killing your enemies only acceptable when those enemies are 100% indisputably evil?
>>284136953>be told a psycho is evil>she asks a bigger psycho for praise once>the psycho who killed 100s isn't evil because she asked for praise once>the good guys lied!lol
>>284115725the demon's are just sociopaths, apart from that their culture is different (kratocracy) and they do not see the value in cooperating with foodif they could respect humans (strong humans being more powerful than them) and learn to co-exist with humans they could be integrated the same way sociopaths in real life have integrated with society, they would still be potential ticking timebombs that would murder if cornered but so would most humans to preserve themselves and their way of lifethe reason why demons are so dangerous especially when they want to co-exist is because they literally don't understand humans, they have a caricature of humans in their mind and they do not understand human way of being
the best example of what being a demon is all about is when the mr midas spell tries to co-exist with humans, he cannot feel guilt or remorse for killing humans, his desire to co-exist with them was just his way of experimenting with the possibility of doing so, even after all the years he spent helping the human he developed no camaraderie or feelings towards the humanat the end his experiment was a failure, he could not bond like humans do and that alone removes most of the desire to co-exist with humanswhy bother unless you have to
>>284137260>alone removes most of the desire to co-exist with humans>why bother unless you have toSimple self-preservation should be one motivation why demons should consider coexistence. They know that there are non-demons strong enough to kill lots of demons, and they kill demons because demons keep killing non-demons.
>>284115725All of living existence and meaning of life can be reduced to having sex, for the sake of reproduction, you injest food and drink water to maintain your body for having sex, you go to work to receive tokens to purchase the utilities and necessities to facilitate having sex, you travel to go places and find environment in wich to meet people to have sex, your place of residence houses you and allows you to bring home a mate, for the purpose of sex, the very air you breathe is to fill your lungs to being oxygen to all your organs that function to enable you to have sex, you learn to talk and communicate and develop social skills to attract a mate for having sexNow that you understand that, you can understand that every action demons take is to facilitate theyre prime function and purpose for existence, deceptionGood luck autist kun
>>284137286demons are hubris ridden creatures, the most powerful among them believe their own hype and think that humans are lesser, the few anomaly humans here and there that are strong enough to challenge their strongest are seen as a fluke that they gang up on to removehumans killing lesser demons? cull the weak, those weak enough to be killed by humans deserved to die for their disgracea culture that places power above all sees weakness as a disgusting trait to be reviled and culled from their midst, enemies that are strong are dangerous rivals that need to be removedthey have no reason to co-exist with their potential food source, if by some miracle the demons could be brought down from their ivory throne to realization that humans are stronger than them and the only way to survive would be to co-exist with them as equals the demons would just scheme and wait for a opportunity to destroy humanity from withinthey're kind of like a certain tribe from middle-east, you cannot integrate them into society because they see everyone else in that society as lesser and things to exploit
