Yaoi peaked with Kaze To Ki No Uta. Impressive how the first work from the whole genre was also the peak. Speaks a lot about the quality of yaoi overall.
yaoi doesn't even exist any more and it's basically only 4chan that thinks it's what you call the opposite of yuri
I'm forever thankful yasuhiko's fetish is little boys being groomed by older men
>>284120642Yaoi peaked with Berserk
>>284121471It's just some dumb holdover from early western spaces that thought yuri/yaoi = pornBL/shoujo ai = not porn
>>284122570What is the difference between the terms then?
>>284122915They just explained it though?
>>284122915Yaoi's an older term, I think
>>284120642>yaoiIt wasn't. Where do you think the term shounen-ai came from?
>>284121471What kind of newfags don't know about bara? Yaoi is pretty boys. When it's dudes, it's bara.
>>284120642>Impressive how the first work from the whole genre was also the peakSame with harem and Tenchi Muyo
>>284120642>Impressive how the first work from the whole genre was also the peakIt tends to be that way or close...
>>284122915Yuri=general term for f/f relationship. Can be porn or not porn, doujins or non-doujins.BL=general term for m/m relationship. Can be porn or not porn, doujins or non-doujins.Yaoi=Older term for m/m relationship that's exclusively for doujins. Little plot, mostly porn, but not always.Shoujo-ai=older term for real-life pedophilic relations between an older man and a young girl. It was misused when brought to the west because it was falsely believed to mirror shounen-ai's usage.Shounen-ai=older term for BL, but it was heavily connotated with 70s shoujo magazines depicting young fictional boys in love. The anime OP brought up is a perfect example of this term.>>284124675Bara is also a bastardized term that the west (and 4chan) is misusing. For gay guys, it means anywhere from faggot to pansy to (depending on era and connotation) a tranny. Gei-comi (transliteration of gay comics) is the Japanese term.
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>>284124975Glad to see someone with taste among us. Don't get me wrong- it's easier to just use the terms with western audiences but it gets tiring typing that out.I would even add the whole fujo means female fan(especially on here) when it's just a term for women who like bl.
>>284120642No way, yaoi peaked with Episode 24.
>>284124985Their relationship is done pretty well, but I hate how the story is unfolding, especially recently with shinya's lack of development, namely that he never found out about the apocalypse's origin and about Guren, only to die unceremoniously. There was so much build up for him years ago, only for him to suddenly disappear for years from the manga, and then this shit.
>>284125099Of code geass r2?
>>284125050>I would even add the whole fujo means female fan(especially on here) when it's just a term for women who like bl.I await for when the term "yume" picks up steam. Not that it's wholly accurate either, but that does help describe the "self-insert female fan that enjoys being surrounded by hot guys" archetype that many falsely ascribe as fujo for some reason.
>>284125672I would rather yume, 夢, be the catch all term for female fans than fujo just because yume is a whole word and fujo(shi) is partial/not even the reading. It annoys me more than it should for something so small. At least with yume you can write it off that bl lovers are still 'dreamers'
>>284125099cute homos
>>284125896Agreed. I'd much rather have yume than fujo, especially since you can write it off as "dreamers" like you stated. Plus, that word is already used in some social media sites in English, so the integration of this word would be easier in places like 4chan.It would be best to use joseimuke if we're not just talking about that aforementioned archetype. It's the best word for female-oriented Japanese media in general. But, I've never seen that word being used in English-speaking circles. So I'm fine with the word yume instead.
>>284126255i think it's harder to have a term like joseimuke (女性向け) because a lot of people would miss the nuance of it without knowing japanese and the difference between 向け・向き. also it's longer than yume as well which unfortunately means that it wont catch on as easily despite being more suitable.the japanese/eng is more for readers than you but i hope it helps some lurkeranons
>>284126440True, the nuances do get lost, hence this word never appearing outside of Japanese circles. Regardless, I would accept yume in the 4chan lexicon to replace fujo, along with retiring a bunch of other terms because some of them make me cringe internally (especially bara).
>>284126662I fully agree honestly. Even though the terms are 'suitable' still in jp fandom I would rather retire a lot of words for personal reasons. It's honestly so rare to meet someone who knows about it at all and who i agree with. Have a splendid rest of your day.
>>284124975>Bara is also a bastardized term that the west (and 4chan) is misusing. For gay guys, it means anywhere from faggot to pansy to (depending on era and connotation) a tranny.Isn't that okama? Are they synonyms?
>>284125961What is this
>>284125672>I await for when the term "yume" picks up steam.That already happened. It's not uncommon to see teenage girls on tiktok talk about "yumeshipping".
Boys loving boys is the best
>>284127848Same here. Most of the time anons rarely know about the appropriate use for these terminologies, so it's refreshing not having to explain everything to catch up to speed. Godspeed to you too anon.>>284127953This is something I'm less knowledgeable on, so if there's any inaccuracies, do correct me.Iirc, okama, literally rice pot/cauldron, has a stronger association with sex positions, though it can also mean fag. I also think that it has stronger ties to prostitution due to its phonetic similarities with kagema in some circles, but I'm not an expert on that.Bara literally means rose, and has a stonger association with the word pansy when calling a gay man this word. It can be associated with fag depending on the sentence severity, and depending in the era, a tranny (or any other "insulting" word to use for gender irregularities, see Funeral Parade of Roses as an example.)So yeah, I guess they're synonyms? There isn't really a one-to-one translation. And if we're looking at which one is "worse" then okama fits the bill, because bara has more positive connotations by gay men (like barazoku) though that's moreso with bishounen, along with gender stuff, (like the aforementioned Funeral Parade of Roses).>>284128059I know it's a thing on other social media sites, but not really 4chan.
>>284125050Are you also annoyed that posters here call each other fags when they don't mean the other guy literally sucks dicks? An all-purpose slur doesn't need to be accurate.
>>284128938>not having to explain everythingfully agree holeheartedly>do correct meThe small difference I see is that okama refers to more feminine acting and (recently) things like drag performers, or exaggerations. We all know the type when people mention gay men. obviously I am not japanese and have no grown up with the terms.>stronger ties to prostitutionEdo slang for cross dressing prostitute
>>284128938 >>284125672Eh, I think I've only seen fujo used to mean any female otaku a few times here and all those times there were replies correcting them. /a/ was also where I first saw the word yumejoshi being used. It's true it's not used very often here, but I feel like that might be because there's not much discussion about anime aimed at women on /a/ other than magical girl shows, and female otaku characters in anime aimed at men tend to be fujoshi.
>>284129191>a few timesif you're in various threads and you post frequently on /a/ you'll see it multiple times a day/hour>>284129129fag is not something half ass adopted from japan in the last 30 or so years faggot
>>284129132>okama refers to more feminine acting and (recently) things like drag performers, or exaggerationsOh fuck, forgot to include that part with the crossdressing and such. Yeah, you're right about that.>>284129191Outside of female-oriented generals in some boards ie. otome, I've never seen the word yume used all that much on 4chan. I'm surprised you've encountered it first on /a/ of all places, especially since the average female-oriented work is, at most, used for ragebait here. Still sucks when I see the word fujo being used instead.
>>284129676>forgotIt's always like that isn't it? When i think okama I think exaggerated femininity whereas with bara i think faggot (unironically)/deer/? typing is familiar
>>284120642>posting the anime instead of the manga
>>284128007Anon you can't recognize Ikuhara and Anno?
>>284129854Yeah, okama is exaggerated femininity, while bara I think of that barakei photoset from the 60s, or barazoku, which has more of a bishounen look. Imo, both technically fags, but in different ways.>SpoilerNo clue who or what that is.
