>"demons are like wild beasts with no emotions!">multiple scenes of them showing empathy for other demons and even humans>mulitple scenes of them showing curiosity about human language beyond just using it to deceive>show anger when Frieren kills them>even if somehow they are faking all of this, to the point where it endangers their life, there's functionally no difference between the faked emotion and the real thing.Why is Frieren's take on demons so retarded and contradictory?
Just turn your brain off dude. The show is good if you're literally retarded
>>284153957Nobody said they have no emotions
>>284154013>they have thoughts and feelings but... they HAVE to ignore them and follow their instincts because... the just DO!You have to be a 2IQ retard to watch this
>>284153957Justa reminder we have never seen Frieren trying to educate demons.
>>284153957They use human emotions to manipulate people like (You) into feeling sorry for them.
>>284153957I don't know why people struggle with the concept of another species having a completely different range of emotions.
>>284153957>they evolved mimicking humans to live in their society>the point is that if they can do that but lack basic emotions, are they emotional beings?Op please stop making another thread with the same question every 2 days, try to think
The retard who keeps making these threads should be unironically banned for spamming.
>>284153957>showing empathyall lies
>>284154130OP is a dumb cunt who would definitely get eaten by demons.
>>284153957>even if somehow they are faking all of this, to the point where it endangers their life, there's functionally no difference between the faked emotion and the real thing.Isnt that the whole point of their existence? They arent emotional beings but they can mimic emotions, is that an emotional being? Is not even that deep; is that enough to consider them as a human-like society? The series adds the "no, they eat humans" to make the point even more clear.Basically: no emotions beings -> eat emotional beings -> learn ways to mimic them, but they cant feel shit -> use that to infiltrate emotional beings societyIs not even a profound commentary of races or something, its an intelligent way to write antagonists.
>>284153957I’m pretty sure the lore isn’t that they are incapable of experiencing emotions, but that they are incapable of processing them in any way resembling that of a human or even elf doing so They are a race of sociopaths
>>284153957Aura death was just a waste of a good pussy, nothing more, nothing less. Frieren should have turned her into a human's sex slave, would have been fitting.
>>284154469And how is the brotherhood doing after such a long nap time??>>her message is not NODs message but we are not yet offended. The taste of radioisotopes makes most loyal citizens reconsider._
>>284154639Frieren is too retarded to get laid herself I’m convinced Himmel could have grabbed her by the pussy and she’d still do that retarded blank stare
give it up, OP. you're not even one of the funny spammers.
>>284154072That’s true I suppose, but we have in fact seen other people try to do this and it ended with a catastrophe
>>284153957If demons were the dominant species and humans and elves lived in the shadows the demons would act the same way.The first ones to achieve civilization placed the napkin, and now demons are evil for wanting what the civilized races already achieved.
>>284153957Demons in Frieren are psychopaths, they have no concept of emotion like normal humans, at most they can mimic it and fool people like (you) maybe some of them are closer to sociopaths so in that case Frieren would be wrong, tho not 100%.
>>284154419I fail to see why people find Frieren hot
>>284153981newfag hasnt read up on essenti/a/l literaturehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHYmFJv_obY
>>284154886I really don’t want to defend the pro demon posters, but it’s pretty obvious in my opinion that at least some of the demons are capable of experiencing emotions even if they have no idea what is going on when it actually happens, like a robot who suddenly found they could genuinely be angry So in that sense I think she is wrong, but it’s pretty clear that on the whole she is correct about them. I guess the moral question would be whether you are willing to take the risk in favor of hoping you have found that one in 1 in a million demon who is capable of developing an actual character and personality but that’s a pretty bad bet.
moralfags are literally all suicidal cuckolds
>>284154886Humans don’t care about demon lives so why should demons care about humans? Frieren would use any technique she could to kill demons. It’s the natural order for these two groups to fight but it’s hypocritical to pretend humans have moral superiority. At the end of the day we all want our kind to win and our people to survive and we’ll do what it takes to make it happen.
>they performatively display emotions>anon thinks it's realsociopath targets fall for this
>>284154599>They are a race of sociopathsAnd beyond that, they're also genocidal against literally every other species in the world. The demons of the Frieren universe are what demons are supposed to be, but anime loves waifus more so cute animu demon girls are just regular girls with horns.
>>284154049Must be hard living as someone so stupid you can't understand anything that's not dumber than you
>>284155033There are real life sociopaths, capable of leading fairly normal lives. They don’t all become serial killers anon, is I think the point. Having a mental illness doesnt automatically turn you into a supervillain
>LOOK MOM I POSTED IT AGAIN
>>284154711>Frieren is too retarded to get laid herselfTo be fair, that's her entire species, which they mention as the inevitable downfall of elvenkind.
>>284155096>They don’t all become serial killerseven if you aren't a serial killer of ants, you will kill them whenever convenient with no thought
I dislike the Japanese tendency to have demons be a “race” alongside elves, humans, dwarves etc. its weird. For me demons should be you know Demons bound in some way to a settings version of hell.
>>284155096so fucking what nigger? how does this apply to the world of frieren where the sociopaths are an easily recognizable distinct group that's organized, armed and waging a war of extermination against humanity
>>284154072wrong, she talked with Qual (and the reader) about the developement of human magic in order to kill him without a fight. She warned Draht that she was stronger than Aura in order to be left alone (she didn't want to kill a guest while she was in prison). She asked Aura to leave the city and turn back without a fight (changed her mind once she saw familiar armors of killed knights). Every time they didn't listen and tried to kill Frieren. Must be a uhm what's the correct phrase? Ah yes, socioeconomical motives or something.
>>284155129>which they mention as the inevitable downfall of elvenkind.I simply don’t understand how an intelligent and advanced species could evolve this way to begin with.Like sure, I suppose it could make sense for them to have a different mating habits than humans due to the length of their lies, but overall it just seems like a trait that would lead them to have gone extinct early on in their developmental historyBeing “anti reproductive” by nature is nonsense from a biological perspective. Even if you don’t get horny, you should at least be able to recognize this problem and have state sponsored reproduction or something like that.
They're obligate sociopaths. Even when they spend decades trying to intellectually understand some elements of human society, they can never actually wrap their head around things like not hurting other people. They understand some emotions like pride, demons are all magical autistic savants obsessed with their personal unique magic, for example, but even then their sociopathy and autism makes it literally impossible for a demon to comprehend why somebody would i.e suppress their mana to look weaker than they are, to a demon this is disgusting and is the equivalent of an adult walking around in a dirty diaper. They all flex their mana at all times without thought of suppression because strength is the only language demons understand and the hierarchy of might makes right is implicit to them. Treating them like people from the start is an error. It's like how you can never truly domesticate a wild animal and even somebody who's spent decades living alongside bears or tigers or whatever can end up killed and eaten by them on a bad day.
>>284155164>demonsYou mean 魔族
>>284155242>be eternally living species>have no sense of urgencyit's LITERALLY that simple
the idea of a fictional race war makes westerners uncomfortable because they're forced by their masters to live alongside members of other races and pretend it's normal even though they have jrpg random encounters on every subway ride to work
>>284155242remember that frieren is particularly young and dense by elf standards; she's spent most of her life in isolation while the vast majority of elves lived in elven communities prior to the demon king's genocide. We know of two other elves older than her, Serie and Kraft, and both are less deadpan than she is. So it's a combination of EXTREMELY long lifespan and their natural "ecosystem" being disrupted, in the flashbacks to frieren interacting with other elves we see they're not all deadpan spergs, they even do mischievous pranks like the awful tasting alcohol gag
>>284155303If they can recognize that they are going extinct then they should be willing to do something about thatJust have emotionless Vulcan sex if needed. It’s an easily solved problem
>>284155242This: >>284155303Considering how much time passes without Frieren even recognizing it at times, if the demons lack emotions or understanding of emotions, the Elvish "defect" might be a complete lack of understanding of the passage of time and, thus, no sense of urgency.
>>284155394Vulcans go into heat and have hot sweaty feral grunting animalistic sex because suppressing their emotions all the time causes them to build up and need release or they die. The romulans don't have Pon Farr despite being technically the same species as Vulcans and the split being ideological/philosophical
>>284155394>just change your nature lmaolevel of argumentation defending demons too
>>284155394Vulcans have "pon far". They have an evolved breeding mechanism. Further, the emotionlessness of Vulcans is self inflicted, not natural.
>>284155271What about all the wild animals we domesticated?
>>284153957How many times is this conversation going to be had, truly Frieren is the successor to FMA.
>>284155478It's because it became Twitter bait and it keeps getting, as this thread proves, dozens of fucking replies from retards who can't just ignore it.
>>284155436>willingly resigning yourself to extinction because you won’t have sex despite understanding this is how reproduction works Literally more chaste than Tolkien elves lmao
>>284155465Demons are monsters which are an entirely separate form of life from regular animals or people in frieren, they disintegrate into pure magical energy when slain so traditional domestication might be impossible (ignoring the logistics of HOW you'd even set up thousands of years of autistic demon breeding programs to try and make them less sociopathic and whether it's morally or economically feasible compared to just fucking killing them)
Can’t the elves just use magic to increase their sex drive/fertility? Magic Viagra has to exist right
>>284155518Tolkien elves had the same problem, which is one of the reasons they left Middle Earth for the Gray Havens.
>>284155564Finding or developing a grimoire with an aphrodisiac spell that works on elves should be the number one conservation focus of human mages but they're too short sighted to see that
>>284155564Even when Frieren is showing off a bottle that "melts away clothes" with a perverted and smug look on her face, you know she's only doing so because she's mimicing what someone else did when they showed it to her.
>>284155604This was only a problem for them later on tbf Silmarillion era elves were having multiple children at a time.
>>284155564do they care
>>284155641Yeah but they would have multiple children and then not do it again (the same couple). The reason things got bad later is how many elves died in the War(s) of the Ring and the Elves being seen as the caretakers of the world to keep the peace. They simply ran out of numbers.
the idea that it's only okay to kill the demons because they're irredeemable is a false premise. The demon pov doesn't matter at all. They're at war with humanity. This is the exact same kind of cucking concession you see in political discussions.
>>284155518are you pretending to be dumb?
>>284154419The “infiltration” aspect of their nature always confused me a little. Like we are constantly told they evolved to “mimic emotions”, but for the most part we don’t actually see demons use their “infiltration” abilities in the show in any long term capacity or even particularly subtle ways. The only one that comes to mind is the chick who wiped out that village, and even then, she mostly limited herself to using mopey and autistic as her mask. What examples do we actually have of a demon doing something like pretending to be actively good and “just one of da boyz” or even something more subtle like seduction? I frankly question whether they actually have the capacity or patience for stuff like that because they are all blindingly arrogant.
>>284155833We saw demons pretending to mourn family and the losses of war/grieving when negotiating. Part of it is that most of the major characters are old enough to remember the war or have been taught to never bother trusting a word out of a demon's mouth so we don't see the instances where they're successful at playing wolf in sheep's clothing
>>284155833>demon looks, acts and sounds like a cute girl>/a/ defends them for 10000000 threadsit works
>>284155910it’s a good tactic lolThey should just send cute demons after human princes.
Synthetic man said itfrieren is Baki for womenhttps://youtu.be/2uVEnJ0FlVQ?t=1198
>>284155478the only board more obsessed with running this same fucking prompt over and over is /tg/, i wish there was a good way to filter these shit threads
>>284155956this post is extremely low quality
>>284154886Incredibly dumb image. Tanjiro kills demons.
>>284155951Not a single person would argue in favor of negotiating with demons if they looked like this
>>284156037“I can fix her” is an incredibly powerful tool yes
>>284156008this post is extremely low quality
>>284155632Or just because she thinks it's funny. And it kinda is.
>>284156009His sister is a Demon and he’s shown to not be without mercy more generally due that fact. He’s given them chances to back off and leave in good grace before
>>284156037In fact if they looked like this and the plot was about how they can be redeemed and negotiated into a peace deal, people would talk about how they should be exterminated
I would simply give the cute demon girl emotions by using magic : )
>>284156117Probably, but in either case it shows she has zero libido nor any understanding of it.
I know it's a large amount of bait butdemons in Frieren have all kinds of emotions. There are very specific emotions they don't have like guilt of malice, generally ones that in humans serve to form social cohesion.Demons are not genocidal. While some do, many don't care about humans at all other than snacking on them when hungry, and some don't even care about that as they are perfectly capable of eating other things.Demons live far longer than any race other than elves, are faster and stronger than humans, and are the most magically gifted race. And the others are their food. They're just a life form higher up on the food chain.They learned human language is a manner not dissimilar to how humans learned to imitate bird calls and some other predators learned to mimic the sounds their prey makes. However, they clearly found it useful beyond that and use to to communicate among themselves. They also seem to have a greater understanding of the natural world than humans do.Their great weakness of course, is that lack of social cohesion. Generally, they don't really care for one another and don't want to work together. As a result, despite how powerful and dangerous they are, they've never been an existential threat to humanity. That is of course, until the demon king forced them to organize and work together.After that, all the races, including demons, almost went extinct.
>>284156296>I know it's a large amount of bait butdemons in Frieren have all kinds of emotions. There are very specific emotions they don't have like guilt of malice, generally ones that in humans serve to form social cohesion.I think a large part of the debate here (at least the good faith ones), is whether demons have emotions but simply are too sociopathic to make positive use of them, or whether they are actually totally unfeeling robots(Frieren’s position, which simply doesn’t seem to be true. As people have said, pride is an emotion, and they have that in spades)
>>284155096No one has ever been able to give a good response to this. The demons may be unfixably evil but just sociopathy alone is not anything close to a good explanation why.
If I can't eat your body after I kill you then you don't even qualify as a living being, let alone a creature of conscience.
yeah, the episode with the kid demon killed the parents to give the kid to the other parents whos kid she ate made it seem like the demon's heart was in the right place but didn't understand why what they were doing was wrong
>>284156703How do you even go about fixing this is the thing tho
>>284155520Where do demons even come from? Is this a manga spoiler?
>>284153957Because the author has a hate boner for them.
I think a funny angle you could take as a demon is simply make a niche for yourself as an actual hero. Like, you don’t give a shit about any of these people, but “the one demon who isn’t evil(he’s still evil”, seems like a very marketable product that could lead to avenues of easy power. You might not even need to ever demask under those circumstances. People just put up with you because you actively kill bigger threats while doing generic hero things in public. I guess they have too high an opinion of themselves to try something like that tho
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbeliefIf you don't understand this intuitively then you are likely on the spectrum.
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>>284157115explain
>>284154908she's far more enticing with her hair down and a nice dress onit's why she completely failed to seduce Sein
>>284157145>the kid demon killed the parents to give the kid to the other parents whos kid she ate made it seem like the demon's heart was in the right placeShe was only capable of understanding transactional reciprocation. It had nothing to do with her heart. There was no emotion or sentiment involved. You have to he literally fucking autistic to not understand that. It could not be more on the nose.
>>284157214why would a demon care about transactional reciprocation?
>>284157247Because she didn't want to be fucking killed. It's survival instinct. The series explains this in no uncertain terms. Surely you're baiting and aren't actually this stupid.
>>284157282fair enough
...around the end, we're gonna be met with a Demon that surpasses all these barriers, aren't we?
>>284153957Frieren is just an elf supremacist. She's just super paternalistic towards humans and hates demons who intrude on her entertainment.
>>284156703let em in!#notalldemons
>>284157387Would be funny. Hope she takes human dick
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>>284154843Demons as a matter of fact follow a leadership/directive/command/whatever based on aura size, some rice farmer being really nice to a demon prove shit and any death that happened because of that is Frieren responsibility, if someone with the aura of Frieren tried to actually educate demons they could start a shift in their behavior as a whole and even question the directive from other demons since we know for a fact that they do learn and not only act by instinct, otherwise most of these arcs wouldn't even be possible.
The issue with the depiction of demons in Frieren is that they're nature is kind of oxymoronic? They're described as hyper-evolved predators for humanity and are constantly compared to animals in how they operate but they don't actually seem to derive any benefit (either for sustenance or pleasure) from killing humans, they just do it "just cuz".This wouldn't be so much of a problem but the story keeps bringing up the question of "can demons actually surpass their nature" only to just say "no, now watch Frieren kill them all". Feels like the manga is trying to make itself seem smarter than it actually is. I also don't think they work as foils to Frieren because Frieren actually has a choice to care and chooses to, whereas the demons inherently cannot empathize with others.
>>284154955Linking this dude should be a bannable offense
Demon defenders can eat a Zoltraak too
>>284157032Yeah the writer seems strangely dedicated to not taking advantage of the Pro-Demon fandom despite Aura and Macht being some of the most popular characters
>>284157214>>284157282She was already not going to be killed dude. This is the problem with the writing, Demons are described in one way but their behavior totally contradicts it. She clearly felt bad about killing the other families child, otherwise she wouldn't bother.
>>284155394The ones we met don't care. There could easily be some random conloy that is hell bent on ensuring everyone meets their monthly fuck quota.But it isn't that fantastical given how we in the modern era fuck less the more technology and easy living we get.
>>284159163>She clearly felt bad about killing the other
>>284159287Post all the reactions you want, it doesn't change the events of the scene
