Did Marvel ruin the concept of heroism for Westerners or do they simply read shonen manga with their butts?
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Holy fuck salarymen are severely retarded.
I don't even remember what actually happened to him. I can only imagine him as a McDonald's cashier now
>>284225783No one would call Deku a cuck if the writer himself wasn't a faggot. This is kind of what he wanted.
>>284225783Asta didn't have this problem.
Stain was the best thing about the series. Should've killed off 90% of the characters.
>>284225783Guy on the right is literally me
>>284225783>yes i posted the strawman again, will you pay attention to me now?
>>284225783The only hero in Boku no Hero was Re-Destro, who wanted to remove all government regulations.Meanwhile, Deku was just a passive character who only cared about maintaining the status quo of the society.
>>284225783all i'm saying is he shoulda at least banged the tall mutant fox girl
>>284225783Deku did become famous funnily enough.
>>284225783harry potter schooltedious rationalizations of shit like costumescheap unfitting american comic book social metaphorsjust ehhhhhhh
Why, Hori...
>>284228878>harry potter schoolWhat does that mean? Do you think HP invented the concept of specialized schools?
>>284229579it was an overwhelmingly popular contemporary of mha.
>>284229761>contemporary
>>284229761>contemporarythis nigga
>>284229340Hori said you can have a little Izuocha, Endhawks, Momojiro and Gentle/La Brava. hope you like it.
>>284229761HP is 19 years older than MHA
>>284225783Westerners can't into altruism.
>>284230064Seems like nips didn't either be abuse he got so mad at the reception he made two (2) damage control continuations to it
>>284225783This "Muh Marvel" criticism doesn't even make sense. Shonen Manga are the one that push the "HERO STRIVES TO BE NUMBER ONE" narrative for their heroes. Marvel and other Western superhero media often have heroes who don't want fame and glory and don't get it, just look at Spider-Man and the X-Men. Marvel understands the concept of heroism far better than My Hero Academia did imo.So shit on fans who miss the point of MHA's ending all you want, but don't blame Marvel for it.
>>284230179>Shonen Manga are the one that push the "HERO STRIVES TO BE NUMBER ONE" narrative for their heroes.Yes, but they don't want fame, they just want to be "the best" or "the strongest". They want the title itself and don't really care about what comes with it.
>my dream is to become X>to actually become Xwhy is it that gaijin can’t understand how boring a script this is?
>>284225783If altruism truly existed we wouldn't need society and its numerous forms of regulations and balances. You get out what you put in to society. That's the whole point. If you did all that great for society, but got nothing, it's a failing of the ideal system.
>>284230213It’s kinda hard to seperate the fame portion from Mha when All Might makes such a big deal in-story about the responsibility of being “the Symbol of Hope” and yadda yadda, how everyone will do as you say and worship you and society will follow your example as they see you. And hell that’s the only reason Deku knows about All Might and fanboys All Might, because he’s a famous celebrity on tv. Wanting to be the “Number 1” in mha is inseparable from “I wanna be the most famous”
>>284230260Well Deku started offering nothing, Got handed a better quirk than everyone else for free, then wasted it and is back to nothing.So he contributed nothing from himself, and so earned nothing. Fair’s fair.
MHA storytime when
>>284230385>contributed nothing from himselfit doesn't matter if it's power from exclusively himself. I mean same logic would apply to a cop using a gun to fight crime.
>>284225783The modern West is incapable of understanding the kind of figure who might be called an “unsung hero.” Corroded by nihilism, it has lost all ideals and become a soulless philosophical zombie, craving only the pursuit of private gain and worldly fame.
>>284230394An anon did one last year right when the series ended, though that one missed 431
>>284230409But, i mean, it isn’t.You can maybe use that logic when it was All Might doing it. When All Might received OFA it was weaker than All for One, so he trained it to be stronger than All for One to beat him. Deku was just handed a gun that is already better than All for One and all the villains, and anyone else could have used it the same. What, am I meant to praise Deku for getting a handout? Fuck him.
>>284230487what the hell are you talking about? The person who made the gun doesn't get nearly as much fame as the person who carries it into battle and wins.
>>284230409a cop using a gun that is stronger than all the crackhead’s guns, and also makes him invincible to crackheads.I don’t wanna worship that fraud, i want that gun so I can beat up crackheads.
If he was being a hero the whole time with support equipment, that would have been fine. It's the stupid random time skip and the arbitrary development time needed for his suit for the sake of false melancholy that's the problem.
>>284225783Don't know if the devilman and cyborg 009 formula really reasonates with western audiences, especially not after being passed through and diluted by yugioh and naruto. They just assume MHA's supposed to be in line with the Marvel/DC veneer.
>>284230213Fair point, but most Western superheroes don't strive for fame, those that do are the exception and they're usually depicted as douches or assholes even if they are genuinely heroic. Like Booster Gold or the Guy Gardner Green Lantern.
>>284225783Deku is a cheap shallow powerfantasy by design. Of course they feel robbed when “self-insert who has powerfantasy handed to him the whole series” no longer has his powerfantasy at the very end
>>284230410Bullshit. "Unsung heroes" who not only don't get recognition but actively get shat on by civilians, the media, and the powers that be are extremely common in Western fiction.
>>284230584Deku isn't enough of a blank slate to be a self-insert
>>284225783The problem with all this is the super suit. He wasn't really a humble hero content to fade into the background, like Simon from TTGL. He was actually itching to get back into the action, but he just lacked the initiative to do anything himself. Hori was trying to have his cake and eat it too and it undermined everything.
>>284230410You say that when masks and secret identities is the most common trope in capeshit. Hell, being villainized by the media is a common capeshit trope too.
>>284230584The whole series is cheap and shallow. For one, it's just capeshit AND battle shounen. I'm pretty sure cheap and shallow goes with the territory. And Bakugo is as much a fantasy btw,. It says you're good simply if you're on one side. He's a laughably written character who's constantly raging and losing his shit for zero reasons and telling everyone around him they should die for the smallest things. And yet he's called a hero. This is sending just as much of a retarded message out there as Deku and his free ride.
>>284225783>Implying anyone thinks the leftYou faggots are so dishonest it's astounding
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>>284230976It doesn't resemble capeshit in any meaningful way, it's a battle shonen wearing a superhero skin
>>284225783The issue isn't that he sacrificed everything, it's that he sacrificed everything, and then everybody moved on with their lives without him. He was completely fucking scorned for no reason. No recognition at all.
>>284225783The sweet relief of death would have been better over the "wagie got ghosted by his highschool friends for 8 years" ending
>>284231010It has capes and it's shit.
>>284225783me on the right
>Final chapter showed he was clearly unsatisfied with 'just' being a teacher. Still wanted to be a hero>Ultimately had to rely on another free handout to get powers again, showing he had no agency in his life for eight yearsYou know how when people misunderstand the ending of a story, because it simply didn't end in the way they wanted? MHA is like what exactly those type of people complain about with no misunderstanding. Deku lived for eight years unhappy, and not regularly seeing his friends, as he made no moves to put himself in at least some kind of heroing position that would make him satisfied with his lot in life.
>>284230976I think the Bakugo kidnapping arc was supposed to be a turning point for his character, but it mostly comes off as "Well at least he's not insane and retarded enough to go full Sasuke". But from that point everyone in the story starts acting like his constant screeching sperging is just a cute little personality trait instead of him being fucking insufferable.
>>284231010What do you mean? It uses plenty of tropes of the superhero/capeshit genre: heroes, villains, archenemies, colorful costumes and code names, robots, characters cheating death, reactions of the public and press, governments, big battles, vigilantes, edgy anti-heroes...The only things it doesn't use are magic, aliens, time travel, and the multiverse.
>>284225783you don't get it do you?>shows Deku in such way that he looks like completely forgotten from everyone>he looks unhappywhat does Whori do?>oh ackshually he is not forgotten. you see this cool suit?>turns out he wanted to stay in action but he still got forgotten for yearshe dug his grave even deeper. should have had full Gurren laggan ending for things to make sense.
>>284231030But they were actually all pitching in to pay for his super suit the whole time! What was that? Why did they feel the need to make it a complete surprise and make him feel desperately isolated in the meantime? Shut up!
>>284231124Yeah, exactly. They just stopped talking to him for like 8 years, moving on with their lives without him.The secret suit bullshit was clearly just a hasty retcon when people started to get really pissed off.
>>284225783>Literally show him being completely unsatisfied at the end>"I love my life!" Said Deku through gritted teeth "This is what i always wanted!">"Why do those filthy gaijin not understand altruism?!" Said anon without a hint of ironyDeku never got over his childlike infatuation with Hero work, which is the reason why he looks so soul crushed by the end and why he instantly jumped inside the Iron Man suit the moment the author did his damage controlIf it was this guy >>284230064 he would've probably said>"Finally! I defeated my worst enemy and avenged all the people he wronged!">"My quest for justice... is over!">"This is where my life begins!"And if he lost his power and still wanted to fight for justice he could've joined the cops or become some government secret agent or, i don't know, a fireman, or get into politics and make a difference that way. Or maybe go back to what he was doing before, and since this is Kamen Rider, he was probably into motocross.So why the fuck is Deku a teacher? I never got the idea that was his calling or that he was particularity good at school work or that he even liked it. I can only assume he picked a boring ass job because he wanted to be closer to hero work without actually endangering his life like a cop would. His dream after getting his power erased is to be a hero fanboy in the background like when he was 12 instead of anything else. That's just pathetic.
>>284225783Satanic mutt culture is just like thatLook how many claim to believe in Jesus yet spout racist, demonic and self serving shit that will gaurentee them a spot in hell Making stupid claims on Jesus race as if it matters, or wanting the most easy and violent solutions to their problems >>284231157Why do jobless cucks not understand than when you're an adult (who works) you simply don't have the energy to sit on your ass hanging out like some sort of pothead neet with zero responsibilities?Are all Americans this fat and stupid?
>>284230608>>284230852so are capeshit comics really all the rage in the west right now? in the *“modern”* west, the value system of boomer capeshit clearly no longer has the audience on its side.
>>284231188>when you're an adult (who works) you simply don't have the energy to sit on your ass hanging out like some sort of pothead neet with zero responsibilities?This guy outing himself as a friendless angry wagie. (FYI, yes, functioning people do get to hang out, and enjoy friends, and life in general.)
>>284231159Back when he still had a personality, Deku was an analytical nerd about quirks. Helping fledgling heroes develop their quirks as a teacher is a reasonable direction for his character. The problem is that Hori didn't develop it much and instead made him seem all melancholic with what should've been a good job for him.
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>>284225783Deku could just have exploded Shigaraki's head with a punch and then done the same to AfO while keeping his quirks that he could use for another 40 years to ensure the peace of the world but I guess saving Shigaraki's soul 5 seconds before he dies was more important I guess.
>>284231157The time skip and him getting the suit all happens within a single chapter, so it's not a retcon. That's just how Hori drew it up.
>>284225783>and Deku got laid. The EndIs it that hard?
>>284231118yeah Gurren laggan Type of ending is clearly better than nothing for sure but there was no reason for it. Simon had completely different motives so it wouldn't be half as good. despite all these it's still better because gazing at stars is cooler than looking buckbroken
>>284231235>Back when he still had a personality, Deku was an analytical nerd about quirks.He was a fanboy, and a shallow one at that, like literally "Reading the stats from the back of baseball cards" shallow, because that's what he didIf he really had that analytical personality he would've had a more cerebral fights instead of just a string of "PUNCH HARDER!" moments and would've spend a lot less time breaking his arms at the beginning.
>>284231235As a student i’d fucking hate him. Who the fuck is this easylife faggot to lecture me about living with a shitty quirk? Give me a better quirk than everybody for free like you were handed, teacher. Then you can lecture me about how to be like you.
>>284225783Why is the dude on the left dressed like a high school student from 1970s Japan
>>284225783Your image is wrong, the second kid should be brown.
>>284225783Ending was fine save for everyone abandoning deku including his supposed love interest. Only for her to come back to him once he gets his super suit. He should have ended up with Mei.
>>284231397Mei wouldn’t like him either.Spoiled soiboy faggot needed One for All to be a man. Mei didn’t need a quirk to do what she does. She’s manlier than he is. Mei would spit on him without his silver spoon
>>284231351You just know he got the teaching job as a handout, too. "Listen, you saved the world, so we'll hook you up. The classes are piss easy. Just come in, get your paycheck." Probably with the assumption that he'd be doing more beyond this shit. You know. Like most teachers at UA. They weren't just clocking out and going home to a TV dinner.
There is nothing inherently virtuous about suffering.
>>284231335>would've spend a lot less time breaking his arms at the beginning.The early part of the manga was the most interesting because there was some actual tension around how long he could hold out before having resort to blowing out a limb. Once he could start controlling it and it just became generic super strength, it got so boring that Hori had to resort to O MY SEVEN QUIRKS.
>>284225783the bigger issue is that the series, in its setting and its characters, fundamentally does not understand superheroes. The school, the sensationalism of it, it's completely beyond what the genre is. And of course they need to make everything about highschool. Because that shit is inescapable. You know why a lot of younger heroes were in highschool? Because that's just a thing they'd be in at the time. It wasn't the fucking point. >>284230064It's this series that doesn't understand it. Nowhere in this franchise does anyone carry the virtues in your image. The whole series misses the mark of what heroism by a mile. The hero isn't someone born out of personal tragedy. He doesn't embody concepts of hope and the greater good. He's a spoiled child in a setting of showboating spoiled adults. The whole setting is just everyone is Booster Gold but without the character development.
Stain was right
>>284231235>Back when he still had a personality, Deku was an analytical nerd about quirks.That was the idea anyways, but the problem with writing an intelligent perceptive hero is that you need to be an intelligent perceptive writer. And he wasn't. Most of Deku's "analysis" weren't coming up with clever strategies or creative solutions, it was pointing at the obvious and going "THE GUY WHO PUNCHES REALLY PUNCHES HARD!"
>>284231215Then why do superhero movies still make a gajillion dollars?
>>284231435>Mei wouldn’t like him eitherShe cared enough to tirelessly design and build hi s suit for him in her spare time. More caring than Ochaco who was just in it for the money, but Hori forgot about that.
The series kinda forgot the "Academia" part of the title
>>284231635Dude, you're using a Spider-Man reaction image thus making my point for me, he is THE quintessential example of the shat upon hero in the West.>Spider-Man is a menace!>Wealth and fame? He's ignored. Action is his reward.
>>284231694Yes, I misread your post. That was on me. I suck cocks, etc.
>>284231675So do lots of series with school settings. The school part is just an excuse to be "relatable" to the target audience, they pay lip service to it and then don't bother with classes or anything other than the occasional school festival.
>>284231647His suit was a rebuild of All Might’s suit that Melissa Shield made for All Might. Mei didn’t make it, Bakugo paid for it to be made.
>>284231675>oh, the reason character development is so stilted is because the series is going to follow all of their high school years>wait nevermind, it's done
>>284231500>The hero isn't someone born out of personal tragedyBatman bros...
>>284231835The hero as in "Deku" the hero of the show we're discussing, not the hero as an innate concept, Captain Reading Comprehension.
>>284231435>The car breaks down and Mei has to change the tyre because Decuck can’t, only scream and cry at it and try to punch it while “detroiit smaaash!!!”>Deku trashes the billion dollar suit putting them in debt because he never learned to fight without a better superpower than everyone>Villains try to rape Mei just like Popstep and she has to be the one to fight them off because Decuck can’t fight anyone or be a man without OfAPairing deku with Mei would be grim because she’s just a better person than him in every single way.
>>284231302I stopped reading after the Paranormal Liberation War arc because I decided that the story was just shit by then.I never even made it into the final arc because it was just clear to me how the setting was completely out of gas. No wonder it was rushed to a conclusion.
>>284231757It was a new suit made from the Data obtained from the old one. Mei and others (probably Melissa) designed and built the new one.
>>284231948The setting was shtick. There was nothing else behind it. There was strong supporting cast, no personal drama, no humanity behind the heroic ideal. Deku doesn't have to keep letting down his mother because he was saving people, he didn't want to desperately reveal his secret to the person he loved but couldn't for fear of her safety, he did stand up to someone who challenged his ideals of goodness because he had no ideals. There was maybe something about living up to the legacy of his hero but unlike say Wally West Flash who feared he lived in Barry's shadow and had to come to terms with being the new Flash and accepting it meant Barry was truly gone, Deku has his hero right in his corner telling him he's terrific the whole time.
>>284232096NO strong supporting cast, rather.
>>284232096MHA has a really, really fucking strong opening that was full of promise though. I was beguiled into liking the manga until the chapters were in the 200s, at the very least.Still, I rapidly stopped giving a shit when I realized that, no, it's never actually going to get to where I thought it would go. By the time the final arc was happening, not a single person I knew gave a fuck about MHA anymore, and I'm a complete fucking dork who knows people who wrote fucking fanfiction for it. If an autistic fanfiction dweeb stops caring about your story, you *know* it fucking sucks.
>>284232613>MHA has a really, really fucking strong opening that was full of promise though. II don't think it even did that. I hate to regurgitate the same tired criticism but it's honestly just the truth. They went way to hard trying to make the hero pitiable that they forgot to make him endearing. You can point to a few different characters and they all have some motivation that's about things other than themselves. Ochaco wanted to help her family's business. Okay. I got it. I know why I want her to succeed. When Peter Parker first used his powers to make money, he wasn't really thinking of fame and fortune, at least not completely. He wanted to help his Aunt and Uncle who were poor as shit. And it's not like this would have been too hard to Deku either. His mom's all alone. But oh wait this is anime so his parent is just over seas or some shit.
I just want to take a second and say, every single super hero costume in this series is godawful. Just terrible. Except for Momo's
>>284225783>that picwasnt this the same thing making smoothbrains bitch about TTGL? I get it, some people, You could say specially 'muhrricans, wants their heroes to be celebrities, nowadays also influencers. But not all heroes are the same, some people enjoy the spotlight while other people just had their share of adventure and excitement for a lifetime, and just want to live a quiet life, or even fade into irrelevance.>>284231500>The hero isn't someone born out of personal tragedy. He doesn't embody concepts of hope and the greater good. He's a spoiled child in a setting of showboating spoiled adults. The traditional hero's journey didnt had in mind a hero society. In a society that turns around on which quirk do you own and how powerful is it going to be, I could say that yeah, being quirkless is a fucking tragedy. He has an idea of what to be a hero entails, and his whole world was being part of that society, but he was dealt with a shitty hand. Despite all that, when bakugo gets swollen by the slime thing, Deku is the only one that jumps into action, and thats what motivates all might into making Deku the next carrier of the power. Come on dude, i get it, its not the traditional hero story, but there are elements there, or were you speedwatching it or worse... watching a youtuber synopsis?
>>284233410>wasnt this the same thing making smoothbrains bitch about TTGL? I get it, some people, You could say specially 'muhrricans, wants their heroes to be celebrities, nowadays also influencers.I don't feel like getting into a TTGL argument on top of this one, but let me try to clarify something. Nobody is making fun of Deku for not being a celebrity. What we are making fun of, and this is the important part, is the way the story framed it. What we make fun of is the writer undermining his own message by trying to have both the new dream in teaching and the stupid Iron Man suit. This isn't about spotlight. It's about "My friends largely ignored me for almost a decade and then showed up out of the blue to give me another free power!" Which is just reiterating the whole getting his original power for free. He can be a teacher. He can be a hero some other way. You can't do both and have a clear message.>In a society that turns around on which quirk do you own and how powerful is it going to be, I could say that yeah, being quirkless is a fucking tragedy.It's tragic the same way a short person who wants to be a basket ball player is. That is to say, a little sad, but something you eventually get over when a new obsession catches you. He had a shitty hand. But he didn't have a shitty life. He had a nice home. He wasn't poor. He wasn't unloved. He wasn't a social pariah and he could have still done anything else he wanted probably. >Despite all that, when bakugo gets swollen by the slime thing, Deku is the only one that jumps into action, and thats what motivates all might into making Deku the next carrier of the power. Which is stupid in and of itself for a lot of reasons, chiefly it relies heavily on other characters acting OUT of character and it also wants us to think that this isn't some reckless suicide run that could have made shit worse. That it worked out wasn't because of Deku. There's a difference between brave and reckless.
Do you ever feel like that the people who criticize a show and the people who defend it aren't actually having the same argument as each other?
Series sucked from the beginning because he never tried to be a good person, never picked up a dumbbell, until all might told him to. Should have been batman, but that'd be too masculine and millennial mangaka are all bugmen.
>>284231235>The problem is that Hori didn't develop it much and instead made him seem all melancholic with what should've been a good job for him.Is it really that much of an effort to write a quirkless Deku being a cool teacher to his students?
>>284234002So it would seem. Like just imagine we got a moment were we actually see him training the kids. Almost effortlessly getting around their quirks like a badass. For some reason that's beyond me it really feels like he wants Deku to always come off as timid and small. I get humility is a good trait and I don't want him to be some grim macho man really, but can he just be regular cool maybe?
>>284232820Japs just have a different mindset.Most of your complaints come down to cultural differences. In the west, we like it when people engage in introspection, and make decisions based on the exhortations of their own souls. Those are the kinds of people we respect.In Japan, they are almost totally incapable of ideating any reaction to life or society other than becoming a cog in an institution.In isekai dogshit, for example, being an adventurer is literally a job you have to apply for.Superheroes? It's literally a job you have to be credentialed for.They're just a really, really fucking collectivist people, and they don't really see lifestyles as legitimate or even possible unless it's directly sponsored by some kind of institution, government, corporate, or otherwise.So, to an American, a lot of the "moral of the story" in a lot of Jap media is that you should keep your head down, be a pussy, do what society expects of you, do what you're told, respect your betters, I could go on.It's all stuff we find kind of odious and annoying.
>>284225783The whole story is about helping people. Stain leaves Deku alive because he was the only hero who still used his powers to do so and not just to self-promote, be famous, be number 1 etc. And the ending shows the results of that: the people Deku helped helping him back. Anyone who doesn't understand that and expected an ending like Naruto's is an idiot.
>>284234493As if.Sounds like cope to me. The audience fucking hated the ending because Deku was completely cucked, and had his life destroyed for no reason. Sacrificing your own happiness for others *is* part of being a hero, but this is a setting without secret identities for the most part, so the fact that Deku gets no recognition or respect even from his former allies and friends is really, really fucking gay.The ending is just a sudden, last-second pivot in response to backlash. That's it. It wasn't thought out at all, and it has no meaning beyond just being another famous example of how these authors can't end series for shit.
>>284225783Probably because westerners are free to live the lives they actually want where easterners are doomed to a miserable life immediately out of highschool so much they idealize school life and dying to live out a life where they're not some mindless drone in a literal fantasy world
>>284225783Why do weebs pretend anime and manga are some high art form even though it's all about boobs/waifu and action?
>>284234464I do realize that there are a lot of cultural differences to be mindful of but I feel like even with regard to that there can better ways of handling a lot of this stuff. The Adventures Guild is an especial bugbear for me though. It's in effect a lose approximation of personal freedom while still being held to a governing body of some kind and it's just so anathema to the very concept of adventure stories om the fist place but I digress.
>>284234080no. he needs the bestest quirk in the entire heckin world to ever be cool. Without it he's nobody. Aizawa is a regular cool, Aizawa can do that, Deku could never
I feel like we made our first mistake when we got into the best class in the best school. I feel like anywhere else we'd be in some shluby blue collar school for troubled super teens and the big fancy academy would be the snobby rich upstart kids across the lake who looked down on us and we'd have to be them in the big event, and maybe we'd still lose on points but we'd get that extra moral victory were we finally won everyone's respect and then when the head snob kid had to get one last dig in our hero would punch him and he'd go into the pool completely embarrassed and then we'd party into the sunset.
>>284234080that would feel super unearned. Deku never had to work a day in his life with a shitty quirk
>>284234493this Deku wanted to be a hero to help people, and then he wanted to be a teacher to help and inspire people.>>284234597Deku's happiness was not dependent on being a hero. In fact being a hero all alone mad him miserable. Deku still got recognition and respect, but the whole point of the ending was that heroes weren't the only ones getting the spotlight anymore. What Deku was still longing for was a chance to be together with his class again. but they were still working to make a world a better place.
>>284234998>That point where he was trying to be edgy
>>284225783>This is the story of how i became the number one hero!>never becomes the number one hero.>bakugo defeats the big baddie.Stop defending this shit the author was a retard who fucked up the simplest part of a shonen. You have the MC become the thing he wanted to be.
>>284225783Cuck
>>284234998>but the whole point of the ending was that heroes weren't the only ones getting the spotlight anymorewhat? The Pro Heroes ranking is still a thing, nothing changed. They last few pages is just a giant 1 by 1 of all the heroes in the future and where they now rank, mostly for their quirks and partially for their popularity.Who else is getting the spotlight cause I didn't see it. Deku is only respected because he got to hold daddy All-Might's quirk for 1 year
>>284225783The obsession with romance in an action series needs to be brought up more often. I envy dragonball complete lack of shipfaggotry discussion in their fandom.
>>284235126you must be joking. 90% of any dragonball thread is arguing who is the biggest cuckold
>>284234757You're right, but Japanese culture really is just like that.They have a genuine, pervasive distaste for the very idea of doing anything purely of your own volition, and under your own authority. It just flatly doesn't make any sense that an individual could or should be able to do anything at all without societal backing and support.I dislike it myself, but on the other hand, there's a reason their societies are clean and don't have any crime. A commitment to collectivist values brings peace, order, and security, but it also turns a population into a bunch of annoying, weaselly little pussies who need Mommy and Daddy government to give them permission to wipe their own asses.There's a balance to be struck, for sure.
>>284235126But there are shipfaggotry there too with Bulma and Goku
>>284225783>One Piece Chapter 1: Luffy defeats a sea monster with his rubber powers.>Naruto Chapter 1: Naruto defeats a corrupt ninja with his ninja power.>MHA Chapter 1: Quirkless Deku tries to save his bully from a villain. Sacrifice has always been his special power.
>>284235126Oh. It's the guy who thinks romance is cooties again. Still completely refusing to understand that romance is an integral element of action, especially in regards to the super hero genre. Of which this is. You're an idiot.
>>284235181That didn't even save Bakugo, kek, it just endangered all the kids watchingSame as the end. All Might would've been able to defeat Shiggy. Deku instead just wasted the best quirk ever instead of passing it down because he's weak and pathetic and didn't deserve it
>>284225783the setup of the series is the narrator literally saying "this dork is going to become the greatest hero" and nothing deku did for the whole series makes him a greater hero than all might. literal scam of a series.
>>284235243well all might was the greatest heroand having a better quirk than everybody else is 100% of the qualities of being the best hero according to mhaso technically for as long as deku was holding all might's quirk, he was the greatest hero
>>284225783Most of what deku did was pointless. If the state was effective and executed AfO when he was captured there wouldn’t even be a story.
>>284226077he’s not even a fast food worker, he’s a teacher READ NIGGA, REAAAAD.
>>284225783I only read the memes and snapshots and yeah I think the current manga industry reflects the broken japanese morality and the lack of masculinity in every developed country
>>284235282many teachers become fast food workers because of the low payi recall that greentext of that anon whose teacher coincidentally delivered his pizza one day lolfitting ending for deku the cunt who was handed everything and never worked for what he had
>>284235282It's people taking the piss and not being literal.COMPREHEND WHAT YOU READ, NIGGA. COMPREHEND! AND USE PROPER COMMA PLACEMENT!
>>284235103>Who else is getting the spotlight cause I didn't see it. then you didn't read the chapter 430. Heroes still rank, but its not the most important thing anymore. In All Might's era society was shaped around him being number 1.
>>284235151>are clean and don't have any crime.A lack of reported crime doesn't mean they don't have crime. All it did was turn them into a society who will just take shit because reporting it will cause a fuss and better to live with all the pain and damage then get everyone all worked up.
>>284235399>It's totally different now, honest. You're never gonna really see it but just take our word for it. yeah real satisfying cultural shift.
>>284235399>Stinky workaholic Mei
>>284225783>east v west gaijin nip westoid japophile or somethingThis shit has always been a monkeybrained distraction tactic for people invested in the decline and overall mindlessness of corporate escapism, and always for baby-brained children's media and videogames
>>284226083I'd be her friend. Her sex friend
>>284225783The first fucking chapter promises right panel.It was a years long betrayal of reader expectations.
>>284231500>He's a spoiled child in a setting of showboating spoiled adults. >The whole setting is just everyone is Booster Gold but without the character development.A fitting pick, because Booster also embodies the whole>sacrifice basically everything and live like a fool that has nothing and everyone hates in order to save literally everyone throughout all of time and spaceideal, but achieves it way better
>>284226523>Meanwhile, Deku was just a passive character who only cared about maintaining the status quo of the society.Bingo. It's hard to root for MHA's superheroes because they are just government stooges.
>>284236087Incidentally there have been rather quite a few superhero teams who have worked for the government. You got different incarnation of the Justice League, Alpha Flight and PAD X-factor just to name a few offhand. Hell even the Avengers have had to put up with that jerk Gyrich. Those were pretty good books.
>>284235323probably not how it works in japan or small towns but over here the teachers are mostly spoiled union bastards who purloin almost as many taxpayer dollars as the cops. well probably not that much, but it definitely felt that way when i was growing up at least.
>>284228878If I looked at a superhero series set in a school for people born with superpowers and my first thought was fucking Harry Potter, I would kill myself.
>>284233776I, for various reasons had not yet read the part you are referring, thanks for the spoilers!! buit hey, if I ahd not red them yet, thats on me, so nobody can be blamed for it... but me. Jokes aside, I get your first annoyance about deku getting the power "for free", and the bravery vs recklessness debate its sure an interesting one. But If the "gang" let him alone, just for them to get back to them years after with a powersuit, thats great, why? because, just as all-might saw in deku the makings / essence of a hero, their peers also saw it in him, and by giving him a second shot in the hero business they reckon him as a valuable part of society, or cog in the machine as >>284234464 noted.So I dont get it how is that an undermining of the original message, if anything is a confirmation of it: If a person has the will, the makings, but lacks the power, maybe its worth it to provide that person with it.
>>284236796>But If the "gang" let him alone, just for them to get back to them years after with a powersuit, thats great,I feel like you're having a great difficulty actually understand both the issue and how heavy the passage of time is.
>>284226523>>284236087>all deku wanted to do was save the world from destruction what a bootlicker
>>284235479I'm sure that does happen, but does it happen enough to offset the statistical difference? I doubt it. And besides, frankly, I'd prefer discrete crimes going unreported crimes over chaotic nigger violence openly erupting in the streets every other day.
>>284237396You can criticize the government without supporting AfO. Those are not binary choices.
>>284237485>does it happen enough to offset the statistical difference?Considering how much power the Yakuza had until the Japanese government finally started to crack down on them in the 2000s, there is probably a lot more crime than the average person realizes.
>>284235126>>284235193Kind of hard to get around it, Ochako's clearly some kind of homage to Miki Makimura.
>>284236796Weak (third grader voice)
>>284237596She's a bit too capitated for that I feel.
>>284237968It would be too dark for the manga to actually kill off the love interest. That's why he had to write in quirk magic to attach Toga's ghost to Ochako.
>>284238213>It would be too dark for the manga to actually kill off the love interestWould it?
>>284225783American hero comics have great stories.Japanese shounen comics have great art.It's just "culture shock" being played out right now. And the formed camps will go back to the originals because "your side fucking sucks despite some of your parts being pretty good."
>>284238286A lot of American hero comics have great stories and great art and same for shounen manga. I don't think anyone's really arguing east vs west so much it's just that super hero comics are a very "American" thing and since MHA is very much trying to be a super hero story it naturally is going to draw a lot of comparison because of the genre. Frankly I wish the current Conan book would get more attention frankly.
>>284238260Even better, just call Toga the Gwen Stacy.
Momo.
>>284238352I wish the people behind Conan would have more fun with him."Conan The Librarian""The Conan [O'Brian] Show"Have more fun with this guy! Don't have him just be a barbarian with a sword!
>>284238592How about that time he came to the 1970s and walked around in Pimp Clothes
>>284226523What exactly was his quirk again?>>284226083I really hope this is fake.Otherwise Christ how can you loathe your creation this much
>>284230064Why are you so antiwhite anon?Westerners are incredibly altruistic.We just call out self serving beta cucks when we see them.Deku is a piece of shit.Nevermind the mangaka flat out lying about how deku would be #1 hero.it'd be like naruto giving up the hokage job to be a ramen cook.
>>284229761anon? are you okay?
>>284239096are you okay? Are you okay, anon?
You ARE talking about the Marvel that--yeah everyone and their mom knows what Spider-Man goes through. Paul, dead family, being broke, whatever.
>>284235126>I envy dragonball complete lack of shipfaggotry discussion in their fandom.Then why are majority of the posts on /dbs/ are cuckposting?
>>284229761HP's contemporary was Naruto. But Ninjas.Just saying. MHA and Naruto are still both shit either way.
>>284231581Because of people want to be a part of the big thing. That's it really. Everyone knows they're trash and doesn't take them seriously, but at least you can do water cooler talk with strangers you barely like.
>>284225783Whatever point you think you have, if we don't agree my hero is an anime for underage sissies as a starter, we aren't being honest.
>>284230064That has NOTHING to do with deku or My hero, holy FUCKING disingenuous.A stoic, masculine male and fucking DEKU exist in completely different DIMENSIONS.Kill yourself.
>>284230999The longer I look at this picture, the worse it gets
>>284229579Nope, the comparions were originally made between Naruto and HP over vague similarities by some schizos. And later between the new MHA and Naruto which was ending. Now all of that being more than a decade ago, search archives or the internet for things from that far back.
>>284238735>What exactly was his quirk again?4D chess (considering his face is literally p*tin's)
>>284225783Vigilantes surpassed the DC/Marvel retardation while MHA ended perfectly for being a police manga where Deku too follows All Might's footsteps to teach at the police academy in a world where human-hater Nezu is actually in control of all human lives but you're not supposed to know it.
>>284231077Could have officially vigilanted as a civilian teacher in this new world but no he wanted all might level power-up. Ragdoll is doing fine working as a distater response team like humans used to, if he could look up to Hawks then he should work better at his teaching job or liason with Mera so he can rise in an executive poistion. All Might respected Tsukauchi so much he could have taken the cop exam and be doing proper wok with a gun or become a social worker! But no. Deku never wanted to be a hero he wanted to be All Might with that world-altering level.
>>284225783People were calling Deku a cuck way before the ending. It didn't help that the dub voice was annoying. Even women picked up on it, that's why they shipped Ochako with Bakugo
>>284225783No, you misunderstand, I was happy that Deku got fucked over because he's a nepobaby who didn't deserve OfA at all, got everything handed to him on a silver platter and had to do barest minimum to make use of those gifts.
>>284240999only fat landwhales did
>>284231113What's not listed: regular life alongside superhero one, support cast without powers, issues with public opinion I only watched season 1, it was your typical Shonen high-school but with capes.
>>284236576You guys are ridiculous. It's like trying to pretend the peak of Lord of the Rings popularity was the '50s and has nothing to do with the movies.
>>284240517>>284240591STUPID ELVES
>>284225783Americans are just retarded. He was born QUIRKLESS and he got to fulfill his only dream of becoming a hero, and he ended up being Number One at that, how is that not enough? It's like a born cripple that always wanted to run being able to set the sprinting world record. Nothing is enough for you people is it
>>284225783>leftwhite person>rightnigger
>>284225783The concept of heroism is still fine, if anything Marvel is more irrelevant now than ever.Deku is just a shitty character written by a hack
To this day, I still wish the writer made it about the adults instead. Also, I still think it was a missed opportunity by not giving Deku powers, and making him a Batman kind of hero that uses wit, gadgets, and kindness to help people and reform villains. I think that would have been way more inspiring, and a great lesson for children.Anyway, sex with giant form Mount Lady.
>>284226523Hori has the quintessential japanese mentality of worshipping the government/authority, that thing is imprinted on the whole story.The reason why AFO is a cartoonishly evil villain instead of an actual master manipulator is because Hori knew he couldn't write AFO meddling with the government without making the Japanese government look bad
>>284230633He quite literally is, his only defined traits are his hero obsession and being nerdy, neither of these ever impact the story at all.
>>284225783this revisionist history shit is so gay. deku sucks, sorry.
>>284242641Creepy
>>284242641what parallels do you draw between Japan's government and MHA's? are you retarded? the setting is fundamentally different
>>284242610>Deku is just a shitty character written by a hackI knew it was shitty from the start when Deku still was crying years later about his mom saying she was sorry he wasn't born without a quirk. "You didn't tell me what I wanted to hear! WAAAAH" Poor woman did she could, but it was made out to be traumatizing or some shit.
>>284241170Deku had to train for 11 months just to get a quirk that broke his arms. You're probably an ungrateful swine who takes everything in their life for granted and pretends they deserve all of it.
>>284226523>libertarian character is introduced>gets turned into a strawman to suit the author’s bias>character is inevitably proven right by the narrativeMany such cases!
>>284225783Protip: don't have hero rankings be a part of the story and the main character literally stating "this is the story of how I became the #1 hero" if you don't want people to care about it
>>284243007shut up you're supposed to glaze mha here
>>284243007>I'm gonna be the KING OF THE PIRATES! at every intro>Gets cucked and disappears, crew never contacts Luffy for yearsYeah, it just doesn't work.
>>284235399>that one guy whose quirk is pulling his eyeballs out of their sockets
>>284225783I don't care about all that it just depends on how it's written but I will say I rather read throwaway 70's to 90's Marvel books over most shounen, if I want a popcorn comic.
>>284225783If Deku was an American character he would've been forgotten or died, which feels more heroic than just giving up.
>>284243190Or he would've kept going without powers.
Stain was right and the government-operated Hero System is bogus. You just had a bunch of narcissistic government employees declaring themselves the Good Guys, and if you oppose them you are the Bad Guys. People are all like "nooo Endeavor is a bad guy!" but they ignore he's the State-sponsored #1 Hero of Japan and their "Symbol of Peace" because his overwhelming strength will be levied against you if you disrupt the rurus of society MAAAAAN
>>284242930I've lifted weights for a decade and have had multiple injuries from it. Where's my superpowers? Hell, I don't even have a gf.Deku is like the antithesis of hard work. He only works hard AFTER he becomes special, and he is rewarded for it. It's gay as fuck and wish fulfillment for children.
>>284242930Oh wow, he had to train for a few months after being promised THE STRONGEST POWER IN THE WORLD the tragedy.... the sacrifce... the thankless hard work... Deku is such a legend for doing fuck all until All Might showed up out of nowhere and promised him the world.
From the way the manga readers talked about it I was expecting way worse, It had a more graceful ending than many shounen.
>>284225783japanese salary man in the making who will live and die in japan alone as another cog in the machine of his dying country/economy versus swagged out white boy with ambition that will lead a fulfilling life cracking stacies because he isn't a cuck
>>284243235>JP heroes almost never do thisJapanese sure are defeatist.
>>284225783I'm gonna say it. Vigilantes did it better.
>>284230064Japan is so altruistic that it can't even apologize for raping women and children in WWII. Japan wouldn’t understand altruism if it hit them in the face. They are racist xenophobic and extremely selfish in all their international moves. You interpret sacrifice as altruism, like the older men working near the radiation clean up. But that is merely a sense of duty to their ethnostate. While admirable, it is to add to the greatness of their own people. They would never help anyone in another country that is suffering. They give no aid to anyone and are outright aggressive and hostile to their neighbors, celebrating disasters that happen to others. They lie about their history and pretend they did nothing wrong and are better than everyone else.I wish the west was as anti altruistic as Japan.
>>284243994I looked up charity work to prove you wrong and holy shit you're dead right. Japan is literally dead last for charity. LMAO I was 100% fooled.
>>284243994All wrong and stupid. Every country has its dumb racists but they're almost always an extreme vocal minority because that kind of thinking is anti-human. Read up on the Fukuda Doctrine.>>284244090Those rankings have nothing to do with foreign aid, read the page.
>>284231113>It uses plenty of tropes of the superhero/capeshit genre: heroes, villains, archenemies, colorful costumes and code names,It uses the images but it doesn't use the trope. Not really. All that stuff is pretty facile honestly. Yeah you got your good guy and your bad guy but it's very different in approach from a standard super hero comic book. Identities are all, effectively public, for starters. There's not really that human "soap opera" drama. It's the world too. I don't want to get all Syndrome but when everyone has a quirk the heroes do feel less special. Then there's the overall matter of framing and presentation.
>>284233410>when bakugo gets swollen by the slime thing, Deku is the only one that jumps into actionThis is a bad thing you know? No lifeguard would recommend you jump in the water to save a drowning person if you also don't know how to swim.
>>284234464>In Japan, they are almost totally incapable of ideating any reaction to life or society other than becoming a cog in an institution.That seems to ignore all the "slow life" stories which are essentially "fuck the rat race I'm living for myself".
>>284242614I do feel like there's some inherently messed up about a educational program that basically trains kids to face danger and death. Hero sidekicks aren't unusual or anything but it's a bit different when you have Robin who feels like an aberration to treating it like a valid career path. Also, here's a question? Is there even enough crime to necessitate this many heroes? I mean okay sure New York has about a bajillion too, but A)New York is a hole and B) The heroes aren't really an organized group or anything. It's not like Spidey and Daredevil are in the same union. More to point since both characters have their own books it really lets you explore different tones and types of crime.
>>284244351>No lifeguard would recommend you jump in the water to save a drowning person if you also don't know how to swim.No lifeguard would recommend you jump in the water to save a drowning person REGARDLESS of your swimming ability. Drowning people have their brain turn off and regress into panicked monkeys thrashing in the water. It doesn't matter how smart you are, the moment you start struggling to keep your head above water you regress to a 30 IQ lizard brain creature who will take anything you can get your hands on and push it down beneath you to try and push yourself up, INCLUDING THE GUY THAT IS TRYING TO RESCUE YOU. The most common outcome of a person jumping into the water to save a drowning person is they both die, the drowning person kills the rescuer buying themselves another few seconds of air, and then drowns as well because they still cannot swim. The only exception is stuff like kids, where the adult lifeguard is at no serious risk of being pushed under by them. Them you can rescue manually. Everyone else? You throw them a life preserver or some other float device and wait for them to *stop panicking* before you go anywhere near them.
