Sudden Developments 1353
is it over yet
>>284321760>>284321799I already forgot who the guy on the left with the swirly hair is.
>>284321835Mixed up pages.
>>284321863Isn't thst Takauji's son?
>>284322023>holding onto GenbaOh this hurts.
>>284322098this is a really underwhelming way to handle it
>>284322098Tokiyuki dying from the Nanboku-cho Black Death was not on my bingo card.
End of chapter.Note: I'm pretty sure 1351 is a typo, and that's it's meant to be 1352.
>>284322161I have to disagree. This pretty much reframes Tokiyuki's entire character for me. This also means my absurdist hero post was true, holy shit.
boring
>mfw this is actually the beginning of Matsui's Cell saga
>>284322161I dunno I kinda like it.
>>284322339...but enough about every other current Jump series.
>>284322201It makes sense in that if he was going to die it was obviously not going to be losing, running and getting caught and executed.
>>284322273can you link that?
>>284322207what is even the point now?
>>284321901Well, everyone except myozurumaru
>>284322548https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/270810287/#270812110
>>284322535Damn, that kid of takakuji's who was supposedly responsible for catching tokiyuki has no agency whatsoever now (not the one who was adopted by tadayoshi, the other one)
>tkyk finally punished for being heterosexualyou love to see it
>>284322559>what is even the point now?Of the series? To never give up, even if seems like a fruitless endeavor.
>>284322639well yeah, this was always going to be the caseyou can't have tokiyuki lose to an even younger character or to anyone connected to takauji really
>>284322725>The charges, your honor?>Being dangerously based.
>>284322559
>>284322121Were they also cursed by an evil god or did they just have heart problems?
>>284322779He already gave up though, he retired to live with his waifus. Takauji isn't even the guy he hated or the guy magically killing people by existing.
>>284322949>Takauji isn't even the guy he hatedHe still owes him his game of tag.
>Gunpei Yokoi was a Hojo descendant and lived to 56He won...
>>284323170wasnt he taken out by a car accident
>>284323170The later Hojo clan has zero connections with the early Hojo. They just took the name to pretend to be more important.
>>284322073Yes
>>284321954What fantasies would Ayako have written about?
>>284323591Kinnikuman Shippuden except she replaced all the choujin with Elusive characters.
>>284322061matsui can't even draw tokiyuki having a heart attack without making him look lewd
>>284322173He is going to "elude" "death"
>Tokiyuki's wives milked him so hard every night that his heart is starting to failThis is one of the dark things of harems that no one tells you about.
>>284322207Thanks for the dump
>>284323591Do you remember that Raita Azumanga doujin? Like that but with her and Tokiyuki but also more feudal.
I for one cannot wait for Tokiyuki's end. Even if his kids survive, their bloodline is cursed to end eventually. It's just this little pest that refuses to be snuffed out. Never forget Nitta-dono's fateful words:北条は平氏、我ら源氏！The only good Hojo is a dead Hojo.
>>284323858yes I do, good lord
>>284323871You can't keep a good Hojo down.
>>284323871Shut up Takauji. You've already lost and remember, your death will happen soon to.
>>284323986That's okay, Genji rule is finally secured. Even with the coming turbulent times, out of it will emerge a strong Minamoto lineage to continue Hinomoto's path towards peace! Only Genji can do this, not Heishi, and definitely not Fujiwara.
>>284322121>They were healthy through YasutokiTarou...
>>284322061>>284322098>>284322121This damn slut can't even suffer an infart without looking like he had an orgasm from his prostate.
Tokiyuki should try to defeat Takauji sexually
>>284324043how about Taira?
>>284322369>Tadafuyu is Gohan
>>284325188That's Heishi, anon.
>>284325620huh, is that a case of there being multiple renditions of the name, or did they "transform" into the heishi? I'm not familiar with the nabukucho politics at all.
>>284325738The kanji for Taira is 平, which can be read as Hei. Heishi simply means Hei Clan, or Taira clan. Same way that Minamoto 源 has the reading of Gen, hence Genji (Gen Clan, or Minamoto Clan). You also have Heike (House of Taira) and Genke (House of Minamoto). It's not that one become another, it's just about readings.
>>284325792ah gotcha. I thought there was only the taira and heike renditions.
>>284321658So, which of these children will be the MC of the next part?
>>284325837Yeah it's just Japanese being Japanese with all their alternate readings for kanji.
>>284325839Well obviously it would be all 3 brothers sharing the MC spot.
>>284325839None, Tokiyuki's place in history ends with his death, and so does the Hojo clan's place in history.
>>284322061>>284322098I see, creating an excuse for how Tokiyuki ended up being caught.
>>284321835Hey look, Kojiro IS the protagonist of a manga from another period now.
>>284322061OH NO
>>284321901He had like pocket digests of all of those on him on campaign at all times.
>>284321954Such perverted wives!
>>284322121>>284322154This is remarkably well foreshadowed, if Tokiyuki's dad was always meant to be a post-stroke invalid in the initial chapters.
>>284322173Do heart attacks usually cause orgasms?
>>284326648Apparently they usually cause ED, but Tokiyuki seems to have tanked that part.
>>284327267His balls escaped successfuly.
>>284322121Incest?
>>284327379No, could just be a genetic predisposition towards heart disease.
>Tokiyuki could've had a heart attack and died right here
>>284322121Hey, we've talked about this before. I personally attribute it to stress. The emperors that actually had to do things also died relatively young. But still, it's neat that this came up.
>>284323389the Yokoi clan clamed to have descended from the early Hojo through Tokiyuki. There is no proof of this ofc and was likely claimed just for vanity
>>284325900So did he fuck all those women?
>>284322098Nitta proving yet again that he isn't dumb.>>284326036I see it instead as giving him an excuse to keep fighting. There's no point in him trying to go into hiding to live a long and peaceful life raising his children if he's going to die soon anyway.
>>284329801Did you miss the previous chapter where he bragged about his three babies and his wives said that they were already pregnant again? Matsui even made a commentary about how Tokiyuki/the Hojo breed like rats.
Tokiyuki and his FOUR wives.
>>284330611Fubuki is a gross hag
>>284330611So his wives are>a zombie (male)>a nature spirit>a gorilla>an actual normal wifecrazy
>>284325612>wanted to do all the childcare for his babies because he knew he was dying>wives wanted to him to take it easy because they knew he was dying:(
>>284330611Last week's thread died before I could post this.
>>284331208The reread I planned to do after the final chapter is really going to fuck me up now.
>>284322559>>284322949did you even read the chapter?
>>284332119>Fubuki's classic empty threat "shortened lifespan" shounen debuff was a misdirectionAnd it worked. I was not expecting Matsui to kick me in the balls like this.
>>284321901>inb4 the Taiheiki was based off of Tokiyuki's personal library
>>284332722>mfw Matsui synchronizes Tokiyuki's poor health with Shizuku and Fubuki's shortened lifespans and kills the 3 at the same time
>>284332818Actually Shizuku's human now so Tokiyuki's warning shouldn't apply to her. (But she still had some kind of access to divine power somehow, in the girls' night out and obsidian arrow formations) That was back when she was still a goddess. Fubuki might actually be fucked, though.
what the fuckwho hasn't got a deathflag at this point? natsu?
>>284333478Mima and Natsu, arguably Shina.
>>284333478I think we can discard Genba's body double speculation now that we know Tokiyuki is dying. Maybe that's the narrative reason for why he and Natsu haven't had kids. Because they're the only ones that are going to live long enough to have them later. And they're going to have to raise all of Tokiyuki's and help Shina raise Kojiro's.
>>284333515how generous of matsui...
>>284322061Wild sex with three wives daily wasn't good for his heart...
>>284333478I think I don't. Matsui doesn't either.
>>284334158I'm thinking the opposite. Being so fit from all the sex is the only reason he hasn't died sooner after the exposure to Takauji's demon.
>>284321760>As if they were his own children>Doesn't actually forgive his own childIronic
>>284334695>be Tadafuyu>train super long to get strong and join your father's military forces>your father fucking hates you and makes weird faces at you>your father's brother adopts you>he's pretty cool>your father kills your adoptive dad>years later now your father decides to be chill and forgiving
>>284322098>Tokiyuki's congenital heart defect is the reason he is so weak>it's also why he gets flushed and exhilarated when in dangerSasuga, Matsui.Now what's Nagisa's excuse for being a murder manlet?
>>284335050>Now what's Nagisa's excuse for being a murder manlet?IIRC, it was stated that was because of the time spent with his mother. Might also be the reason why he was alright with sacrificing himself.
damn I want to have sex with men
>>284335213>it was stated that was because of the time spent with his motherOh yeah, you're right. But that only explains the murder part. Why was he smaller and weaker than a medieval boy with a bum heart?>>284335346We know, Myozuru.
>>284334943>be chill and forgiving>except you>and 3 other fag that befriend with your adoptive dad
>>284333196But really, what did he mean by this? I don't think Matsui is the type to include something like this for no reason or forget about it. But I also don't get the feeling that Kojiro is going to die in the upcoming battle. This line is the one thing making me think that somehow Tokiyuki will cheat death.
>>284322154>last panelWould you, /a/?
>>284335050He's Tokiyuki (manlet) and Kojiro (murderous)'s descendant.
>>284335391There was a crack theory back in the day that his insane mother was forcing hormones onto him somehow.
>>284326595Better to die a speedy not-shota than live long enough to become a literal puppet ruler.
>>284326595>>284335050It was way smoother than Fubuki's fakeout death and Shizuku being a divine spirit. Not quite tentacles all along tier but still good
>>284337035I would not take advantage of Strokiyuki.
>>284337035I would take advantage of Strokiyuki.
>>284321799>I believe that he upended my lifeI think you could make a strong argument that Takauji improved Tokiyuki's life (only in this manga, of course). Without the Hojo being overthrown Tokiyuki would have just been a puppet with no real friends except his brother, a loveless arranged marriage (with only one wife), and would have died young anyway.
Do we have the author comments of this week and last?
>>284327379Honestly, for leaders it will always be hard to know if they weren't just poisoned back then.
>>284339237None for this week yet. Last week he made a comment about baseball.
>>284321954I was waiting for S2 but figured I should follow if the story’s near its endAre those Ayako and Shizuku’s Bio-children? Not just calling them Mom or whatever? Damn
>>284335346Doctor take this fujo away, she has lost her composure.
>>284321835>2nd panel>"Ooh! He's strong!"Who is saying that? It can't be any of the kids, right? They're only a few months old.>>284321954Has Shizuku foreseen the Elusive Samurai fighting game?
>>284322121Why did he still reproduce despite knowing the short lifespan of his male family members?
>>284340123He wouldn't have even known for the first litter. All he knew is that he had an irregular heartbeat. It wasn't until fighting Takauji's demon that he started to become noticeably ill from it and could then make the connection to his ancestors' lifespans. Without confronting an evil god, who knows how long he would have lived. He hadn't even started to get sick by the age that his father was already a vegetable. And Yasuie wasn't super old when he died, but he still had a pretty normal lifespan for the period. He died probably around the same age as Sadamune. So I think it would be fair for Tokiyuki to assume that if his kids just live quiet lives not ruling any countries or fighting any demons that they'll live longer than he's going to. And they might not even inherit the disease. They have two parents after all.
>>284340027>"Ooh! He's strong!">Who is saying that? It can't be any of the kids, right?It's Tokiyuki. He's hyping up Kojiro.
>>284340812>They have two parents after all.Actually they all have 5 parents.Tokiyuki(dad)Shizuku(mom)Mima(mom)Ayako(gorilla)Fubuki(dad?)
>>284343294Fubuki is also mom.
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>>284343789fucking perv
>>284344283lol, I just saw this and was about to post it. Poor Tadafuyu even got cucked out of being his dad's villain.
>>284344376I trust the plan. It would be nice to actually see Tadafuyu again, though...
>>284344426Given that Takauji himself outlives Tokiyuki by several years, I think there pretty much has to be an epilogue portion addressing what happens after Tokiyuki's death. That's where I'd expect to see more about Tadafuyu and best Nitta.
>>284321658>kidsDeath flag. He's still gunna get got in an execution.
>>284344660>has been althis enough to assume this whole time that Tokiyuki would fake his death>now he's got a seemingly terminal illness>but what if that's to make you think he's going to die>but Matsui didn't bitch out with Koro-senseiI don't know what to think anymore. I'm pretty sure he's going to die. But Shokan and Fubuki have taught me that, until the head comes off, you can't be sure.
>>284339723Yes. Tokiyuki has three children with three women, two of which are Ayako and Shizuku
>>284321868So... why just 7 children?WHEN ARE NATSU AND GENBA HAVING CHILDREN
>>284321954>Hojos breed like rats>population controlled by early deaths>Tokiyuki compared to Izanagi>Takauji was posessed by a god that was trying to kill everyoneDid Tokiyuki and Takauji just get caught up in a divine marital spat? That would have parallels with the way they are both presented as having their lives hijacked by a political struggle larger than themselves.
>>284345071It's funny how much this threw a wrench into any prior theory I had.>well clearly Genba will take his place and get executed instead>no wait, Masamune said it'll either be in battle or old age. He wouldn't say that unless it's one or the other.>Man these foreshadowing moments really sound like Tokiyuki's going to die.>Characters change their names and identities to avoid death all the time. Hell, Shokan did.>Well Fubuki was resurrected.>oh wait he has a shortened lifespan>If push comes to shove, I guess Tokiyuki could also do something like that.>WHAT DO YOU MEAN HE HAS A HEART DISEASE?Truly the wildest ride until the end. The people that will read a summary after this is over will never really "get" it.
rektyuki
>>284343684>Tokiyuki learned about the "special modifications" Uesugi did to Fubuki and made him his 4th wive
>>284336370Historically, Kojiro dies in battle 10 years after Tokiyuki. Of course, we don't know if that Kojiro is ours or the other one.
>>284345581>WHAT DO YOU MEAN HE HAS A HEART DISEASE?And Matsui even went ahead and confirmed that Uesugi, the man who can raise the dead, can't treat it.
>>284327757I am not sure if this was done deliberately but him being born particularly weak would be a huge foreshadowing to heart- or blood related issues, hiding in plain sight. If one of these isn't healthy you lack stamina and physical strength. It was played as a joke so nobody thought much of it, especially since it's a funny excuse for the elusive-theme, but it would be a fitting explanation for his whole condition.
Hope he does a flip when he dies.
>>284346254He'll give you TWO flips!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciL7OKWSu10
>>284346340Three or bust. And back flips.
>every character I like dies of illnessGoddammit even the Sumerians had longer lifespans. Is it the food they had? Medieval Japan was largely vegetarian.
>>284345581Maybe. Matsui is really good at keeping everyone guessing. At the same time he doesn't mind a bittersweet ending at all. But would tokiyuki dying even be bittersweet? He could still rugpull it in some way. Regardless, it's been a wild ride, but the sudden deadly heart disease thing is really on the nose for this author. It wouldn't surprise me if something really unexpected happens.At the same time, if it's trying to stick to the historical timeline...
>>284346694What a diet of 90% rice does to you.
>>284346451this isn't the first time this has happened either, the permian mass extinction is most likely because of a mass infection outbreak triggered by the activation of the siberian traps
That maintenance break? That's what it's like when Tokiyuki has a heart attack.Not so funny now, is it...
>>284346841>But would tokiyuki dying even be bittersweet?Yes. Just seeing him have a heart attack is already enough to make me sad.>the sudden deadly heart disease thing is really on the nose for this authorHe's fucking with us. Not in the sense that Tokiyuki isn't going to die. I'm pretty sure he will. But Matsui knew we had gotten too comfortable assuming he'd cheat death. So he trolled us with heart disease. And he knows we all know what happened to Koro-sensei. Just like that the speculation has shifted from "probably going to live, could still die" to "probably going to die, could maybe live".
The saddest part of seeing Tokiyuki die will be seeing his retainers cry and say goodbye.But we'll probably get an ending with Tokiyuki reincarnated in the modern era alongside everyone, so it doesn't feel like it's going to be a bad ending either.
>>284346848It's unreal when you imagine eating nothing but rice and some shitty other cereals all life. Not even the cuisine of the higher classes was much better.
>>284345093Awesome. I predicted this once in S1, and they thought I was retarded. Who’s laughing nowIf only we’d seen them with swollen bellies too
>>284346694i mean he didn't die of illness irl
>>284348938Didn't they discover a tumor in his neck after beheading him or does my memory mix shit up again?
>>284346694>Is it the food they had?if only you knew how bad things really were.
>that sea bream was the first non-insect protein he'd had in monthsI'd cry too, even if I wasn't homesick.
Tokiyuki owes me sex
>>284349820Every woman in Japan...
>>284349820Anon, he's already got FOUR wives. I don't think his heart can take much more.
>>284350098Option 1. He used Fubuki as a shield so his wives let him rest for a nightOption 2. They didn't care and Fubuki was made to watch
>>284350296Option 3. You know exactly what option 3 is.
>>284350388We do not talk about options 3-7, they are locked forever in Nii-sama's secrets chapter 12.
>>284350388Realistically speaking at least one of his wives enjoyed watching their husband with Fubuki. The question is who?
>>284350457I don't know if I like the logical conclusion...
>>284348788There's three more kids on the way.
>>284350457Mima liked to watch him bottom. Ayako liked to watch him top. Shizuku liked to watch them kiss.
>>284321658why is he not a shota? that was the entire appeal
>>284350915
>>284350915>former shota sired and is raising more shotasThis is great actually. I've been hoping for this since forever ago. Although it is sad that he's probably going to die before they're old enough to run around and cause him trouble.
>oh my heart, I'm sorry my 4 wives I must die in battle and run away from being a responsible father
>>284351516>in order to become a hero, he must lose everything>"I must go pick up some smokes. I will be right back, wives.
>becomes a father>immediately starts dyingOh no. Not only did at least one of his sons inherit his curse, it seems to have gotten stronger.Will Matsui play in to this by having Nitta take them in?
>>284350915Everyone grows up eventually. He still looks like a teenager to me though.
>>284352151That would be so cruel...
>>284350915Still would. Etori Yuuya doujins talk about this.
I don't remember if this was posted before, but here's the results for the Nanboku-cho Tag poll.https://www.shonenjump.com/j/sp_nigejozu/vote/index.html163 is the best and deserved to be first.
>>284353040A lot of great ones to choose from, but the rematch with Shogen the Bald always stood out to me because of the buildup to it.
>>284353040>Tadayoshi not just at number 1 but with more than double the votes of number 2>the highest Sadamune at 3rd>Shokan 1 over Shokan 2What a strange ranking. The only things I strongly agree with are 184 being the highest Sadamune and Ienaga being that high up there. And was this just supposed to be for the page itself, or did context matter too? Because if it did, Imagawa should be higher solely off of how good his battle was.I also would have thought that pic related counted.
>>284353457Based on the author descriptions it was 90% page composition and 10% context.
>>284349402>>284349516Guess I now understand why shit like rhinoceros beetles were special to them. I could swear I have seen such a bug in Kusonogi's room as well in one of the manga panel, it was probably a delicacy if you neither have meat, nor seafood or proper vegetables.
>>284355206no, they just thought it looked cool, it's the grubs they ate
>>284355206>>284355310They also fought them and gambled on the fights.
>>284355501that too
>>284353457Voters were treating it as a popularity poll, hence the high ranking and duplicate vote percentage for Moronao.
>>284355671>Sadamune only had 33% samefagsThe people's hero...
>>284346871>siberian trapswhat did cute fur wearing girlie boys have to do with permian mass extinction?
>>284353040Basically my top three too. Surprised to see Rat that high even though I liked it as well. Save for him the early Nanboku-cho Tags seem to be less popular. Most of them aren't as detailed as the later ones. Kiyohara is too low though, that skeleton monster is cool as fuck.
>>284355818Sadamune's problem is that he has too many Nanboku-cho Tags, so his fans were divided into four different fractions and some Sadamune fags are Ichikawa fags as well and might have voted him instead. That aside, some people probably voted the prettiest/coolest looking page, regardless of the depicted characters.
>>284355827kek
>>284355871>that skeleton monster is cool as fuckI wish Matsui drew more of those deranged, whimsical tag panels. It makes sense in terms of progression to shift to more realistic panels but seeing the villains through the eyes of a child was way more fun.
>>284355818Now that you mention it, all of his have lower samefag percentages. Good to see that he really is loved by everyone.>>284355871Going just off looks, Godaiin should be higher too. It loses some points for not being a full page. But it's one of the better balances of looking cool but not busy.
five bucks 250 is the final chapter
>>284356711Alright anon, I'm going to bookmark your post.
>>284346694>the food they hadIt certainly wouldn't be as bad as the processed literal trash we buy at stores nowadays so highly doubt it have anything to do with food
>>284357209That trash is still better you know?
>>284357268Aw hell no it isn'tI'd rather go back in time and eat wild berries, herbs, rice and the occasional wild animal well cooked on a nice lit fire. No shitty chemicals anywhere
>>284357382Mmhm, nothing is actually stopping you even today.
>>284357209Anon, they were so malnourished that virtually the entire population, including the nobility, were stunted. There's a lot of things in modern food that is not good for you and shouldn't be there. But that's still a step up from starvation.
>>284353040What do the percentages mean? 97% what?
>>284357382But they didn't eat wild animal, that's the issue. They talked about that in one of the history sections in the tankobon. Basically medieval Japan was living off of low quality grain, rice and sake and they died from diabetes with 45.
>>284357597Samefagging. It's what percentage of voters voted for that same page multiple times.
>>284357489>they were so malnourished that virtually the entire population, including the nobility, were stuntedIf that were true how the fuck so many warriors had even the strength to fight that many battles?
>>284357665because they were fighting equally stunted enemies
>>284357665Anon... read very carefully what you quoted.
>>284357649Oh, interesting that they counted that in. And weird that so many people have done that. Wonder what the ranking would look like without that. 90% for the second placed and 79% for #1 is quite much.
>>284357679>>284357686Bro if I were malnourished I wouldn't be able to lift a finger but then again I'm a wimp kek
>>284357728Human body is quite a bit more adaptable than you give it credit for, times are simply so different today that we have no way of comprehending how things were then.So when anon says he'd rather live back then than eat the slop you can get at the store for a few bucks he's factually wrong but I fully get what he means.
>>284357720Sadamune clears, apparently.
>>284357848Always thought his eyes looked delicious
>>284357728I am technically malnourished since childhood for genetic reasons or some shit (bmi 14-15, underweight as fuck) and I can move normally, run etc. and I even fought with my male friends as kid. It's just putting a bigger strain on your body, you are weaker and slower than a healthy person and you will probably die way younger. The latter is confirmed and the second point is less of an issue when everybody else in your country is also malnourished. Anyway the body adapts to a lot of shit, this is why might see over-weighted first world kids fainting for not eating regularly for three days while a skinny kid can function for days without food. Plus, samurai mostly fought on horses back then. You need less strength if you don't have to run yourself and mostly behead people with your sword by just sitting on a horse and holding your oodachi.
>>284357836It's a weird argument anyway because nobody is forced to buy frozen pizza or something. You get all kinds of food everywhere, there are butcheries, bakeries, gourmet food shops, fast food shops and all kinds of supermarket with vastly varying qualities of food and food types. You can just buy a fresh duck, fresh fish or juicy boar or even wagyu today if you want. Most shit isn't even much more expensive than fast food.
>>284358018Consider poverty.
>>284358060Please see the post you replied to for an answer.
>>284358018Depending on where you live, you can also grow/raise stuff yourself. Out where I live barely anyone talked about when the egg prices were high because everyone either has chickens themselves or is friends or relatives with someone who does. And modern taxmen are less interested in agricultural produce.
>>284358018how fucking rich are you that they just sell roast boars at your local 24/7 supermarket?
>>284358163It's December so over here at least they started selling ham in pretty much any size you want. But that's besides the point, pretty sure anon is talking about the fresh meat aile or specialty meat stores where you can actually request for what you need.
>>284358085consider what it means to actually consider something
>>284357958>>284357958>samurai mostly fought on horses back then. You need less strength if you don't have to run yourself and mostly behead people with your sword by just sitting on a horse and holding your oodachi.Wasn't naginata foot troops along with archers the most common during nanbokucho? And during muromachi it was ashigaru peasants with yari, long bows and tanegashima, all foot troops.
>>284358156Yeah, my mother has an allotment garden where she grows more vegetables than she can eat. And I think she only pays 150 EUR a year for the rent.>>284358163What does my bank account have to do with what supermarkets sell? I can buy a whole kilo of fresh (unprocessed) chicken wings for like 5-8 EUR. Unless you eat like a cow a kilo should last for 2-4 meals, especially since people add side dishes like rice (which is also cheap as fuck). A single fucking big mac costs 6 EUR and isn't even a full meal. Most post-processed shit is just as expensive as fresh things. Plus all supermarkets sell food for 30% less when they reach the minimum durability date. Besides that there is a lot of stuff that's even cheaper than wings, like chicken hearts which cost 1 EUR for half a kilo and are fucking delicious with pasta. Or you buy fresh bread and one of the many types of meatloaf, wurst and other shit that you can put on bread. Costs almost nothing and while it's not as good as a steak or something crispy bread with fresh meat with herbs is still tasty.
>>284358247in ideal circumstances, foot troops are deployed in waves rather than sending them all out at the same time. If you have a decent enough numbers advantage you can rotate your soldiers in and out of the front line to give them a chance to rest and be seen by a field doctor while your enemies have no such luxury
>>284358282your bank account determines where you can afford to live, and stores in the districts and suburbs where lots of rich people live have an expanded product selection compared to poorer districts and suburbs directly proportionate to the wealth divide, because it is more profitable for the corporation to structure their inventory distribution that way
>>284358247It was probably just the actual samurai fighting on horses while the common peasants had shitty weapons and no horse. Not sure if it's real but I heard that the swords became shorter when horses were less commonly used since early types had blades the size of a person which is useful when you're riding on a horse but not so much if you're using it in a sole man vs man fight.
Why doesn't Ayako the largest of the females simply eat the other two?
>>284358380Considering that my bank account is almost empty and that I don't get more than 1400€ a month which I largely spend on rent I doubt that I can be considered rich. You are probably American because every fucking town I know has their own bakeries, butcheries, cake shops, typical supermarkets, foreign supermarkets (usually turkish or italian) and other shit in every single street or at least a radius of 200 meters (besides the foreign supermarkets). It's like how every city has restaurants, bars and sushi shops regardless of whether you personally visit them or not.
>>284358461>1400€ a monththat's more than some workers annual wages
>>284358247Samurai were still mostly fighting on horseback until the Muromachi period. Those guys on foot were proto-Ashigaru. Regardless, you can still fight on foot while malnourished. You'll just be smaller and weaker than someone who isn't. But if everyone is small and weak, then no one is.>>284358436So she doesn't have to change diapers.
>>284358986>>284358393During Nanbokucho combat on foot actually gradually became more mainstream the tachi (long sword) were used for both mounted and foot combat while the oodachi (very long sword) were mostly for mounted combat and used almost exclusively by high-ranking bushi, uchigatana (shorter and lighter) already existed as well but wasn't as common. All the swords were secondary weapons however, with bows and arrows being the main weapons of mounted bushi as well as naginata. You can bet your ass foot troops mostly used naginata and bows as well during this time.Large scale battles started during Muromachi/Sengoku where ashigaru fought on foot in very dense formations with yari, yumi bows and later tanegashima hecking matchlocks rendering the naginata and tachi obsolete and that's when the nagamaki replaced naginata and the uchigatana became more common, starting to completely replace the long and heavy tachi to use on foot, with tachi becoming a symbol of authority carried only by high-ranking bushi. Oodachi was still rarely used on horseback but pretty much by badass crazies.
>>284353040Since it seems like Tokiyuki is planning to go out in a blaze of glory instead of waiting for his heart to get him, I hope the final chapter is from Takauji's pov and we get>Nanbokucho Tag >Demon of Escape: Hojo Tokiyuki
And now, Volume 23 extras. (Raw)
Matsui's thoughts on the Taiheiki.
Next volume releases in March.
And that's everything.
>>284362103The nanboku-cho tag pages are such a fun gimmick for stuff like this. More manga should have things like it.
>>284362433Only a true Hojo could post a triforce
>>284364143 /_\/_\/_\
I love the Go-Hōjō!
>>284364209But the Uesugi are our friends...
>>284321658bros...
>>284331483I need to re-read this because I'm constantly forgetting details regarding a bunch of the minor characters and their little plotlines.
>>284364473Now would be the best time to do it, unless you also want to wait until it ends.
>>284364740I'll do it at the end because I don't want to binge the series just to get stonewalled by however long it takes for the final chapter to publish.
>>284365114Fair enough. Some series have an extra epilogue chapter in the last volume, so look out for that as well.
>>284364209>fires just short of enemy formation
>>284362308>on phone>so can't use phone to google translateWhat does he say?
>>284367135From google translate:About “Taiheiki”The work "Taiheiki," which often appears in "The Prince Who Runs Away," is a military tale set in the time period.A war tale is a type of story based on facts, but with exaggerations to make it easier for the masses to understand.Because of the exaggeration, it is not a historical document.It has a poor reputation among experts.The phrase "The Taiheiki cannot be trusted" is used as a fixed phrase.However, my stance is that I trust the Taiheiki.The reason is that "the author was actually a person who lived at that time" and "it was widely read and well-received at the time."For example, Takauji's tendency to commit suicide and Moronao's love for married women.If it was completely different from the perception of people at the time, it would have been immediately booed, the work and its creator would have lost credibility, and it would have been revised.Also, since there are no other documents written about this period other than "Taiheiki," experts often reluctantly refer to "Taiheiki," and when they agree with their own theory, they say, "It is written in "Taiheiki," when it doesn't fit, it seems like they conveniently use the phrase "That's a lie in the Taiheiki."This shows that we cannot talk about that time while ignoring this work, and as someone who is just a writer, I am grateful that such a work has been left behind."Taiheiki" was written by authors of the time who had done thorough research and interviewed people from that time, and was written in a way that would interest everyone.As a fellow writer, I expressed my admiration for "Taiheiki" and even used its exaggerations as a reference for my depiction of the Northern and Southern Courts period.
>>284367368In a couple of centuries, after the destruction of world wards had caused the loss of other historical records, this manga will be used as reference for future historians about what happened both in 13XX and 202X, and one of Matsui's descendants will write a story based on the "Nigewaka" and its references to a much older document called the Taiheiki.
>>284367368>If it was completely different from the perception of people at the time, it would have been immediately booed, the work and its creator would have lost credibility, and it would have been revised.This is my same logic for mostly believing Plato on Socrates' character.>>284367692>hundreds of years from now people will still be arguing about the accuracy of this manga vs taiga dramas
>>284367692>>284367968>all those threads of people arguing whether this manga is accurate or not to irl history>it becomes the only reference because every other manga covering this period was axed or glossed over it
>>284367368>when they agree with their own theory, they say, "It is written in "Taiheiki," when it doesn't fit, it seems like they conveniently use the phrase "That's a lie in the Taiheiki."Just like us... History is a fucking circle.
>>284367692I hope the spirit bird becomes a mischievous mascot character that only Tokiyuki can hear and everyone fights using spirit magic blasts.
>>284367368>Also, since there are no other documents written about this period other than "Taiheiki"that's wrong though? the Baishoron and Nan Taiheiki and a lot of letters and reports exist, all of which are more factual than the Taiheiki>experts often reluctantly refer to "Taiheiki," and when they agree with their own theory, they say, "It is written in "Taiheiki," when it doesn't fit, it seems like they conveniently use the phrase "That's a lie in the Taiheiki."so... exactly what Matsui or his advisor do when picking what to use for TES?
>>284367692>people will find it ridiculous and conclude it was all Hojo propaganda and Takauji was the real hero, inadvertently getting history mostly rightit's pottery
>>284327757Tokiyuki here makes me feel things.
>>284362174>>284362184Elusive Samurai has the most underrated covers. At first glance they look simple and boring (just a character posing for a photo), but the amount of detail in the background and in the patterns of the clothes and armor is worth of calling the covers art (and I'm sure most of them reference real paintings). Uesugi's cover is my favorite for its level of complexity and the surreal interpretation of the human body.
>>284368707hell, one volume literally mentions the Nan Taiheiki
>>284368990>>284367368also: the Taiheiki WAS criticized and revised, literally the Nan Taiheiki is about criticizing a lot of it and Tadayoshi was in charge of getting its author to revise partsthere are historians challenging the Moronao parts and saying the reason Moronao got turned into a villain is a monk wrote the Taiheiki and monks were pissed at him burning that templealso the Taiheiki has things like Takauji being bullied by the Hojo who threaten his family and Tadayoshi is the one who convinces him they'll be safe and he should turn on them anywaythe Taiheiki has Godaigo and Moriyoshi turn into demons to posess people to fight Takaujisomehow none of that makes it into TES for some reason
>>284368707This is a pretty brazen attempt at a no u. I have never seen any of you whining about historical accuracy citing anything other than the taiheiki or works based on it.
>>284369186huh?
>>284369186you realize most things anons have posted about history are from history books that are mostly not based on the Taiheiki? I used to post historical facts all the time like how Nitta actually took Kamakura through strategy not the magic sword tossing from the Taiheiki
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>>284369268I have seen anons explicitly invoke the taiheiki when criticizing how things are presented in the manga. Repeatedly. I have never seen any other source similarly named. And knowing that Nitta didn't actually use a magic sword to change the tides is not some insider historical knowledge. Everyone knows, including Matsui.Also, I've gotta ask, have you actually read any of these sources? Back just before the battle with Myozuru I remember an anon saying he was going to win (may have been in the /cm/ thread). And then he didn't and I was super confused. So I google translated his Japanese wikipedia article to find that he really did lose there. And, since then, I've begun to doubt the things people post here.That article also said that the Hana Ikki are only mentioned in the taiheiki. And I know "/his/" anons had mentioned them before. So I guess it was good enough then.
>>284369742I posted a bunch of stuff that's not from the Taiheiki but I didn't specifically say it's not from the Taiheiki because why would I? most things are from books historians cross-referenced multiple sources for like family records not just the one story, pretty sure I posted something about how the Taiheiki vs the Baishoron handled the Moriyoshi incident and I forget if I actually posted about the kid that got adopted by the Imagawa and something from the Nan Taiheiki but that's not the point, you're making some weird assumptions
>>284369742The Hana Ikki are a meme, the one line in Taiheiki is not proof they were ever real or important.
>>284369981I'm not making any assumptions. I'm stating what happened. For years anons have swung around the taiheiki, and only the taiheiki, as the authority to debunk the manga. The criticisms were never that he was contradicting something in the baishoron or nan taiheiki. It was always about whether the manga was in agreement with the taiheiki. But now when Matsui says he used it as his primary source, all of a sudden it is totally non-credible. It is the exact phenomenon Matsui described. But you're accusing him of being the one doing it.>>284370170And yet anons who fancied themselves historians talked about them with the same credulity as anything else.
>>284370309that is absolutely not true and most complaints didn't name a source at all, spoiler those were not about the Taiheiki, for example most of the arguments here about Takauji's motivations ignored the Taiheiki completely and consider multiple historian interpretationsI brought up how the Taiheiki was unreliable over and over but that doesn't count for you because you want to stick to this fantasy also Matsui did not in any way consider the Taiheiki to be accurate or his primary source which is a different topic, he is picking and choosing bits to include or do the exact opposite of if I'm trying to be charitable, maybe you're conflating people complaining about historical accuracy with people complaining about what specifically Matsui is taking or not taking from different sources and whether that makes the story better, or you assume anyone who posted Taiheiki trivia with full understanding that the Taiheiki is fictional was actually posting about history
>>284367368>The reason is that "the author was actually a person who lived at that time" and "it was widely read and well-received at the time."Matsui I think they have a name for that...>>284368707>so... exactly what Matsui or his advisor do when picking what to use for TES?I think a shonen manga has different standards to live up to than outright historians. A bit of exaggeration or distortion is to be expected.
>>284370675>for example most of the arguments here about Takauji's motivations ignored the Taiheiki completelyReally? You're really going to try this? The "Takauji became shogun by accident" arguments were some of the ones I specifically had in mind where anons invoked the taiheiki.You're trying to hide behind people not naming their source 100% of the time. But my point is that when anyone did, it was only ever the taiheiki. That doesn't happen by random chance. And, as illustrated by the Hana Ikki thing, I know for a fact people have been trusting what it said even when they didn't mention it by name. But now, of course, it's all just a meme.
>>284371049those were not from the taiheiki at all though? most of the pro Takauji things in the Taiheiki I haven't even seen posted lol if that's your problem though, the Baishoron and Nan Taiheiki are way more Takauji friendly AND seen as more crediblewhen you don't see a source posted it's usually "I read it in a history book or long article written by a historian that took into account a bunch of old records, baishoron with understanding that it's mostly pro-ashikaga and stops pretty early on, sometimes taiheiki with understanding that it's mostly fictional, nan taiheiki with understanding that it's mostly pro-imagawa and with a focus on what helps ryoshun's personal beef with yoshimitsu later" and most people aren't going to go back and quote you the specific things every sentence was originally quoted from in something they read years ago>muh hana ikkiyou're mad at one anon who posted a fake thing so you declare that completely different anons who called the Taiheiki fake didn't really mean it actually, makes sense sure
I'm just ready for this manga to be over.
>>284362265No one commented on how erotic this Shizuku is
>>284371822I was bracing myself for the end during the previous battle with Takauji but it keeps not happening. The suspense is starting to kill me.
>>284371746>those were not from the taiheiki at all though?Well then your compatriots have been full of shit when they cited it. Which suggests that when people aren't citing anything specific, they are also full of shit.
this is the first time in a year iirc that this thread has managed to get 300+ replies
>>284372021and as usual, it's history complaints and waifu talk
>>284372021Tokiyuki marrying his three wives happened this year.
>>284371978uh huh, sure anon
>>284372059It got most of the way there before the complaints. Although there was still history duscussion.
>>284372136I think most of the /his/anons left and only showed up again now because it's ending.
>>284372021I was really mad that I missed the babies chapter so I'm making up for lost time.Then I got shot through the heart in this week's chapter. Fuck it, we deserve a longer thread this week anyway, it's been a minute and Jump Festa is coming up.
>>284372171>I was really mad that I missed the babies chapter so I'm making up for lost time.Same lol
>>284371884I'm glad that Matsui is dedicated to Shizuku's oral fixations.
>>284371822No no. 100 chapters modern AU.
>>284372779>protagonist reaches for the title of the manga and eats it>writes a new name in giant, chunky letters>Assassination Classroom
>>284372779I actually wish for this. Let Matsui have wild fun with The Elementary School without having to split hairs over historic accuracy and kill characters because the canon demands it.
>>284373608This was one of the cutest Tokiyukis in a while.
>>284373754>Hey Genba & Natsu, have you finished those errands?
>>284373608I'm convinced they already have kids and are just keeping it a secret from Tokiyuki
>>284374796>refuse to show your babby to your lord that you know is dying of heart diseaseThat's just rude.
>>284358436They've probably all ate each other at least once during their orgies
>>284371884Her face is drawn awkwardly
>>284371049Are you maybe confusing people's discussions of the Taiheiki (Taiga) with the Taiheiki (historical document)?
>>284375346Sadly, yeah. I like the idea but it's probably the worst portrait out of all of them.
>>284362319I want Kira on the cover
>>284376396I think at most he might sneak into the background of someone else's.
>>284374796I originally thought that. But now I think they're waiting to have them until he's dead so they can give it their all as his retainers while he's still alive.
>>284380267Remind me actually, is he still waiting for his payment from Tokiyuki?
>>284380547Technically yes. He still hasn't gotten his province. But I don't recall him ever bringing it up again. And the poop chapter came across to me as him having decided that serving a lord that will tolerate him being himself is reward enough.
>>284321658Cute and Canon heterosexual 3 wife Harem having CHAD. I can't believe Matsui delivered TWICE.
>>284369157I mean being criticized and being widely popular aren't contradicting. Shakespeare was shat on but also well loves
>>284373608Based Abe Tokiyuki making sure all the retainers he cares about have bloodlines that can continue.
>>284381096>the retainers he cares aboutWhat's that supposed to mean?
>>284381362Fuck off retard, don't reply to me. Go back to spamming your mental illness.
>>284381096>all the retainers he cares aboutBut Tokiyuki cares about everyone, even the nameless soldiers. He has been making his soldiers marry girls from various villages, and one of the reasons he stopped trying to bring the Hojo ruling back was because he didn't want to break all these families.
>Confirmed to have fucked>Confirmed to have bred>Several chapters of it tooProbably gonne go down as the only manga where the author wasn't a pussy. Kaiju 8 author could've had this title if he wasn't pathetic
>>284381656Even his training arc was having sex with his harem. Somehow a slutty trap became the manliest modern shounen protagonist.
>>284381656I really does feel like a perfect storm.>not only do we know their sex schedule>we know that Tokiyuki was implied to get dommed by Ayako and really liked it>the girls got pregnant ONLY when in sacred Hojo ground, and then when evil god-kun was exorcised. Meaning the only reason we don't have more babies now is because of actual divine intervention.>the actual current biggest romance series in Jump is apparently spinning its wheels
>>284381656>>284383337Tokiyuki following in nagisas footsteps and beating the allegations
Anons, I have a confession to make. I really hope Matsui's next series is yumejobait again. Especially the edgy kind.
>>284385366But anon, I need shota.
>>284385637You can have a shotajiji. Take it or leave it.
>>284385761No, I don't want that. I want real shota.Maybe he can do brother and sister protagonists. I'm surprised that's not a more common setup.
>>284385366>yumeshitewwI hope it's actual gay with properly cross-dressing shota.
>>284386230>I'm surprised that's not a more common setup.I'm sure it will be after Kimetsu's anime ends.>>284386424That's not happening within the pages of Shonen Jump.
>>284386461Time to jump to a better magazine kek
>>284381996But he's not a trap. Honestly, I've never seen a single scene of him in the manga where I thought he looked like a woman.
>>284381656>where the author wasn't a pussyHe is though. What would constitutes not being a pussy is making shota have sex with men.
>>284386836Myozuru already did that.
>>284386902That's just >implying implicationsand a side character with terrible treatment.
>>284386792If we're talking shotayuki, I agree. But once he cut his hair he started looking pretty girly. There were times when I mistook him for Ayako.Obviously, in universe he's never crossdressed and no one has mistaken him for a girl. So he's not as much of a true trap as Nagisa. But I think he still counts.
>>284387155I think early shotayuki is totally a trap too but yes he gets girlier after the haircut somehow.
>>284387344His initial hairstyle has the same shape in the front as a short center part like Young Link's. It's a pretty decidedly masculine look exposing the forehead and the outline of the cheeks and jaw. And his ponytail evokes the look of a queue by being so long and thin. Which is one of the more traditionally mascline ways to wear long hair. Then he goes to having bangs, face framing bits down the sides, and a shorter ponytail with more volume. All of these shift him towards a more feminine appearance. It's an interesting example of how longer hair doesn't necessarily equate to being girlier. Although it's even more apparent the few times he wears his long hair down. That wild, mane-like volume was the most masculine he has ever looked.
>>284388227Looks girly enough to me. Trappy trap trap.
>>284388504that just shows how much of a gigantic faggot you are
>>284388504Tokiyuki will never fuck you dude, give it up.
>>284388793His consent is not required.And without bloodlust there will be no 6th sense for him to flee either.
>>284388736>>284388793
>>284389838Who is best wife and why is it Ayako?
>>284390343>big enough to be a bed in her own right>strong yet gentle>knows exactly what her husband likesIt's honestly unfair
>>284390343I like Miwa, the best. >You can remind her about the time she went full edgy brat and see her be embarrased about it... or get into itIt's only winning from there.
>>284391475My headcanon is that Mima still brings up her Kyo moments with Tokiyuki during her 1 on 1 part of the schedule. She also brings up her edgy parts too sometimes, mostly for the kink/closure.
>>284391475I was surprised that she seems to be the most motherly. She's always making playful faces at the kids, including Kojiro's.
>>284392140It's foreshadowing. She'll be the sole survivor after Takauji's forces kill the rest of the elusive warriors. Not even the pregnant Ayako, Shizuku and Natsu will be spared.
>>284392824>spoilerOh come on, she didn't even get to do anything!!!
>>284392824I don't think current Takauji would even want to kill the rest. In fact, if it weren't for his heart problems making him want to suicide by cop, I think Tokiyuki could talk no jutsu his way out of their grudge entirely.
>>284321658Elusive shota SEX
>>284396019
Seeing all these ex-children having sex regularly depresses me.Leave me alone.
>>284396712They're childhood friends too for some extra salt in the wound.
>>284396712>>284396926haha, yeah
>>284396712>ex-childrenThis is how I will call adults from now on
>>284396926well back then that was the only option for most people due to how nip society worked
>>284397305Maybe for poors. But political marriages would have often been between couples who didn't know one another well. I think there was even a volume extra that talked about how there weren't a lot of childhood sweethearts.That one anon was right. Re-reading is going to involve a lot of gut punches.
>>284397528I said "most people"
>>284397606>peasants>people
>>284323295He was taken out by yakuza
>>284397818>
what went wrong
>>284400944Meddlesome gods. And Go-Daigo.Mostly Go-Daigo.
