Any real reason why these 2 classic 70s series never get brought up on /a/ even when talking about retro anime? You'll see something like Anne of Green Gables brought up instead. I feel like they're pretty artistic and fondly looked at in japan but not /a/.
>>284385711never got broadcasted in usa so nobody gives a fuckalso 009 is just good guys agasinst bad guys, boring af
>>284385878>never got broadcasted in usa so nobody gives a fuckhow do you explain popularity for stuff like aim for the ace, rose of versailles and anne of green gables when talking about retro anime on /a/? can't really use the girl character excuse when the girls in harlock and cyborg are arguably more attractive
>>284385878>also 009 is just good guys agasinst bad guys, boring afthe style really sells it. you don't find the art dope af?
>>284385711Their fans grew up without getting obsessed.
>>284385711Matsumoto in general garners 0 discussion, it's not a Harlock specific issue.
>>284386068his stuff is very staid and static like something you observe at moma. it doesn't compel discussion because his stories are too abstract and cerebral. also the obvious communist leanings in his themes probably push people in the west away compared to somebody like go nagai who is just 'fun' and not trying to self-conscciously make any statement.
>>284385980Also Ishinomori's writing, which I generally find pretty enjoyable
>>284385711More "normalfag" retro spaces (like FB groups) will be more likely to bring Matsumoto stuff up than here.
Harlock is excellent but it's 999 which stole my heartthough Harlock shows up in the time castle there tooI wanna take the train to Andromeda bros
Half of anime today is made by Matsumoto fans or referencing his work
>>284385711Just give me more Manga translations
>>284385711not to say anne is bad, but it only gets brought up on /a/ by wannabe child molestorsthe overwhelming majority of posts on /a get made by tourists who came here because of one or more of the fappening, gamergyatt, or the 2016 usanian presidential electionthey only got into anime because they got told it was based by other posters in their political subreddits, and they only watched what was currently airing when they started trying to conform to their idea of a based weeb in order to fit in with the subreddits they came from plus whatever was airing on toonami when they where aged 11-16and they refuse to watch anything that isn't currently airing unless it has a reputation for being one of the best anime of all time, or else they get convinced by someone that it's actually based propaganda for the specific political rhetoric that they have made their entire personality
>>284385711I really like Rintaro's Harlock. I'd say it's in my top 10 series from 70s aka the best decade for series.Cyborg 009 I just haven't seen yet. I've been more interested in Ishinomori's non-hero manga, which are incredible.Anne is obviously a finer work. But personally, I think all the artistry is in the service of a boring work. Takahata's previous WMT entries are much more interesting to me.
>>284385878>never got broadcasted in usaIt struggled to get viewership and Cartoon Network kicked it into a early morning death slot, but technically the 2001 Cyborg 009 got aired here.The bigger problem is that after CN was done with it, there was no good way to watch the show in full up until Discotek's blu-ray.
>>284386135>somebody like go nagai who is just 'fun' and not trying to self-conscciously make any statement.A lot of the reason why Go Nagai's works were like that was to stick it to PTA groups that were mad about him doing things like portraying teachers as idiots and perverts.
>>284385878>never got broadcasted in usa so nobody gives a fuck>he doesn't rememberhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f0_j7zrJC4
>>284385954Not to say that those shows aren't good, but the anons that watch them clearly have a preference for anime with female main characters.
>>284385711Slightly related but which show is one with the boy who Harlock promised he would kill him if he failed to become a man?
>>284390162that was the CGI movie
I don't know about /a/ but I just thought Arcadia of my Youth was kind of boring and never felt like talking about it.
>>284390801Why are you bringing it up if you don't feel like talking about it? What the fuck is wrong with you?
>>284390841Because OP is asking why Harlock never gets brought up, and the only thing I can say for sure is why *I* have never brought it up despite watching a Harlock thing.Which felt like a pretty self-explanatory thing. What's wrong with you, buddy?
>>284390801I'm not a big fan of Arcadia of my Youth and the subsequent TV series Mugen Kidou SSX (what a disastrous ending Jesus Christ) but I really liked the series from 78-79.
>>284390893OP didn't mention arcadia of my youth . You brought it up apropos of nothing just to say you don't want to talk about it. And now you're proving you're a hypocrite too by continuing to talk about it when prompted. Truly you are an unserious person. Good day, sir.
>>284390966this is an incredible level of autism, you made me chuckle, thank you
>>284390941Yeah to be fair, Arcadia was the only Harlock thing I ever saw, so it might've been a bad point of entry. It just felt "self contained" enough to dip my toes but maybe that was a mistake.
>>284385878Both of these were broadcast in america.
>>284390801I thought it was okay, though I think it was a bit meandering in places. The flashblack scenes were cool but they definitely contributed to that.If I were a young weeb in the early 80s or early 90s with limited options, maybe it would have been amazing.
>>284390527No i'm pretty sure it was not cgiIt had some lovecraftian horror that could assimilate people. The boys father in fact got assimilated and Harlock killed him so in one episode he forces the boy to kill him to avenge his father, and if he doesn't hold into his promise to avenge his father, he is no man and Harlock will kill him.
>>28439080170s Harlock is the best one but the Arcadia film is good too. Katsumata is actually a pretty smart director, and the atmosphere in that film is thick. Just not an action film. I think it's better if you're already familiar with Harlock, and if you pretend the TV follow-up doesn't exist.
>>284385954Takahata and Dezaki
>>284392076That's "Outside Legend - The Endless Odyssey". It features the best Harlock with the worst plot/setting by far.
>>284385711Didn't Cyborg 009 got a remake?
>>284394421>didn't got
>>284390086This
>>284390086Nope, I prefer male main characters actually. Just not enough to decide whether I watch a show based on the MC's sex. What kind of nonsense is this?
>>284385711STILL NOT TRANSLATIONS FOR CYBORG 009, at least we are getting Ring kotaro Translations
>>284397314>STILL NOT TRANSLATIONS FOR CYBORG 009The entire series and sequel were released years ago, you mong.
>>284385980meh, 79 anime was ok, but the plot its too simple. same shit with the 2000s anime. when cartoon network broadcasted 2000s anime, it was pulled out quickly from programation, in us and a lot of international signals of cni only liked the 60s movie that was short and fun, compared on how boring is too watch 009 animes>>284385980for today standard, it looks generic, too simple and too similar to tezuka
>>284398020The manga translations are still stalled iirc
>>284398127>too simple and too similar to tezukaAlmost like he was Tezuka's assistant as a young man or something.
>>284385711The original Harlock is one of my favorite anime that is not actually one of my favorite anime
>>284394421Yeah, back in 2001. Honestly pretty good.It's had some other stuff come out since then, but most of it was complete trash. Cyborg 009 vs Devilman was okay, though.
>>284385711Most of /a/ doesn't actually watch anything besides seasonal shit and whatever their favorite youtubers talk about, and whatever will get them "engagement" on other social media websites that they can watch while constantly pausing to surf social media. Even older legacy franchises like Lupin or City Hunter and the like getting modern anime and movie productions can barely string together a thread for a few dozen posts and those franchises have some low-ass barriers of entry. On the other hand I remember what happened to Jojo threads as soon as the modern anime adaptation started so it can a double edged sword.And this is all in the wake of /a/ losing half its posters because of them migrating to /vt/ so traffic across the board is crippled on top of the broad 4chan traffic decline that's been steadily happening since 2021.Even shit from the 2000s that isn't just popular adaptations is impossibly dense for a lot of modern /a/ users. A lot of this place is just anime themed /vg/, threads hyperfixating on pairing their chosen waifu with their self-insert and calling it "romance," etc.Look man I'm sorry any time I see anybody posting about anime that isn't just stuff that aired this season or last, I try to help fight the good fight but trying to talk about anime on the anime board sometimes can be like trying to squeeze blood out of a turnip.
>>284398127You sound exactly like the tweens at the time that refused to watch Cyborg 009, Astro Boy 2003, and Mobile Suit Gundam because they looked old and ugly.
How's Queen Emeraldas? Can I watch it without knowing anything about Leijiverse?
>>284385711Harlock will come up often in retro threads. Though to answer your question, old shows only also show up in retro threads because this shit hole became a seasonal only den of casual faggots.
>>284401897You can but it's probably better to read it. We got robbed of a great Emeraldas anime when Harlock SSX failed and the train of cool Leiji movies stopped early.
>>284402164Robbed of the gainax zero century movies that were in production hell for like a decade before being cancelled
>>284402344Honestly, even back when it was announced I had my doubts as to whether they could even make them. They had already been having trouble making ONE film, in addition to management putting the company into debt.
>>284401955I can't remember a time when /a/ wasn't mostly focused on seasonal anime.
>>284385711I think a lot of shows from this era, late-70s early 80s, are a bit dry and wooden sometimes. not all of course, but a lot of what I've seen. Harlock's plots are pretty simple and serial. kinda nondescript - Harlock's gotta go fight the aliens based out of this place or that, and there's some political corruption involved, and but he save the day and that little girl plays her ocarina, and they do it all again next week. Harlock is too good of a character for this level of storytelling frankly. Arcadia of My Youth was much better in this regard.Matsumoto's the exception to this, but something about how they drew people back then doesn't help, the styles from back then feel almost western. especially minor characters and extras. I turn on one of these shows, and half the time it feels like I'm watching Fat Albert or some such. I got that feeling watching Ashita no Joe. I'm watching Miyuki from 1983 right now, and just look at it. big ears? its just way different man. and the voice acting is a bit weak. all around stilted. hard to get into.
>>284403821Glad I wasn't the only one
>>284403818Harlock isn't a plotfag animeAlso modern voice acting is very affected. That's why Miyazaki complains all actressess sound like whores these days
>>284385711Isn’t 009 not subbed?
>>284403818>I turn on one of these shows, and half the time it feels like I'm watching Fat Albert or some such. I got that feeling watching Ashita no Joe.I mean, I guess if you kinda squint when Joe is out hanging with the street kids.
>>284404243Both 60s movies and Legend of the Super Galaxy are subbed.The 60s TV series is subbed up until episode 16.The 1979 series is fully subtitled thanks to old VHS fansubs from Nora Inu "G" being preserved.The 2001 series is also fully subbed via Discotek. It's out of print now but you can still obviously get it through the cat website as with everything else I've mentioned.
>>284400788Not reallyJust i dont like how all adaptations of 009 doesn't exploit full potencial of the concepts>>284403818This animes apeal More to boomers and retro Otakus who watched this animes on black ad white TV, and also want to remeber life after internet and all that nostalgia shit. Also the mayority prefers to watch anime dubbed. Dubs are way more emitional compared on how simple can be japanese
>>284404169It's been a minute since I last saw a Miyazaki film, but I always got the impression he preferred voice acting that sounded natural. Hence why he chose to cast actual kids to play Chihiro and Ponyo.
>>284404666>dubsNo fucking thanks, Satan.
I watched Harlock recently, I was surprised at how the Arcadia's crew actually got fleshed out. The mechanic was the most compelling one to me.Still think it was kinda a dick move of Harlock to ditch everyone on Earth while he and his alien waifu and incorporeal bro just ramble through the stars, I guess just getting wine drunk and gazing out at the void until they crash into a star or something.
>read Gun Frontier>every chapter is NTR or rapewat
Which ending for Cyborg 009 was the best one?Also what was Ishimori’s final decision on that middle of ideas?I recall his assistants put some notes together.
>>284404564Thanks for the info, it was the 60s series I tried to watch a while ago.
>>284405991I think the manga would be much less of a meandering mess had it been allowed to end at the Yomi arc as originally intended.
>>284385711>series is so out of date that only baby boomer and generation x manga artists/writers care about them
>>284406982Maybe this will turn out good and zoomers will start to care. Not got my hopes up though.
>>284406200No problem anon. Happy watching.
>>284407016seems unlikely, they don't care about astro boy or mazinger in the modern day.
>>284385711Cyborg 009 is great in the beginning but got ruined by the constant rewritings/retcons. https://the-artifice.com/cyborg-009-retrospective/
>>284408765It's a good example of why it's important for authors to tell their readers no even if they don't like it.
>>284404908Except english of course>>284405991The manga
>>284392803Our country dub of it was so damn good
>>284409636Yeah but which ending.
>>284402344>>284402909Gainax is officially dead now so the rights might go to some capable of actually making it nowAnno is already making a Space Battleship Yamato movie
>>284398020>The entire series and sequel were released years ago, you mong.Still untranslated
>>284405037>I watched Harlock recentlyWhat version!?
>>284385711The only thing I want is more subs for the bluerays versions and new scans with new translations for the Manga series
>>284409636Still no way fag
>>284410977The rights have probably already defaulted back to Matsumoto's estate, so it'd likely be up to them if they want to continue with it. Though frankly they'd be better off avoiding that faggot Yamaga.
>>284411364never liked it. its just too simple for today starndards
>>284411874Nobody asked.
>>284411874>its just too simple for today starndardsBut we don't have standards
>>284411874>its just too simple for today starndardsWe're trying to avoid those, dumbass.
>>284410977>Anno is already making a Space Battleship Yamato movieWhile the reboot is still ongoing right now? What's his involvement?
>>284403821>>284404158I thought I was alone.
>>284404666At long last we have found him... The elusive ESL EOP...
>>284412588There are literally no details out yet. I'd expect it to be one of the reboot films but hell, since it's Anno we're talking about, I wouldn't be surprised if it was something completely unrelated to this continuity. Supposed to have begun production this year.
>>284413963I'd rather it be something different. The story they've built to now has been great besides Kodai's repetitive drama; It would suck to see someone else come in and wreck everything.
>>284392803I thought Ring cycle OVA was boring trash and stopped bothering with later Harlock stuff. But I see now that one is made by Rintaro, huh. How bad is it?
>>284399854Pretty sure it was released in English officially through Comixology or whatever
>>284408765>>284409220I can't agree exactly. Back in the 50s and 60s, it wasn't really a financially stable time to just do whatever you wanted as a manga artist. Publishers would start up magazines and close them a few years later. Tezuka bankrupted himself setting up his own animation studio. Not surprising he listened to his fans. Also this retrospective has some interesting opinions. Was pretty sure those chapters in the angel arc were interpretive visions about temptation and not flashbacks, at least what I could gather from reading it. Funny to read about a time when audiences had actual restraint though. And the god's war arc was about as a good conclusion as you could get out of something as basic in storytelling as cyborg 009.
>>284385711They are historically relevant but not it's arguable if they are worth watching for their own merit now. People who are fans and remember them fondly simply grew up watching it.Stuff like Yamato or Ashita no Joe are different because they are good and worth watching even by today's standard, their storytelling is just that good.
>>284416953> arguable if they are worth watching for their own meritHarlock is literally better than anything being made today, by alot.Nothing made now will stand the test of time like it has because the stuff they make now is only for the here and now.
>>284417622Harlock is only remembered because it was popular with children 50 years ago. Those children grew up and made way better anime.Being remembered doesn't make something good and there's plenty anime better than Harlock.
>>284418121If you think nostalgia is all that carries harlock then i have nothing more to say to you.
>>284385711I just wanna fuck all the alien henchwomen in Captain Harlock
>>284405870Cowboy Harlock is a based rapist!Then Tochiro cucks him and leaves to Japan on a tiny boat
>>284418194I didn't say that. Nostalgia is why people remember it and it's relevant to anime history.It's got some decent moments but as a whole the anime has a bunch of problems.
>>284410977>Anno is already making a Space Battleship Yamato movieof all the people to do it, he seems like a good contender, but after seeing some of the shit he and the rest of Gainax has churned out post-90s? (the Rebuild films being the prime example), no way.I'm tired of things being remade, its like a threat every time they say they're going to remake something. they can't even make something new that's not totally derivative or is worth a damn.
>>284418290Eva 4.0 is basically half Yamato anyways.Shin Yamato will be kino.
