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Welcome back, everyone
Today, everyone trains
Welcome back, everyone
Today, we see if Germany and Italy can beat the British Isles
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I wonder if dead warsman and neptuneman are confused looking at this
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>>284420764
Jesus, did he put fucking Broly in this
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>>284420647
Hey, it's Bibimba!
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>>284420764
We were about to witness an animal moment.
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Kid, what the FUCK does that mean?
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>>284420790
AN OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCE?!
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>>284420816
Here we go again.
>Warsman fucking DIED!
>But here's here now!
>Which proves that time travel isn't real!
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>>284420816
Suguru just keeps on getting more schizo. Next he'll talk about how the choujin graveyard is nothing but a great conspiracy.
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>>284420895
Maybe it's a poorly translated joke.
Like calling him a meathead.
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To be fair, he doesn't know about the Chojin Graveyard at this point
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>>284420998
Eeeeeh, it's Buffaloman. The guy's fickle.
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>>284421017
Natsuko looks so sweet in that panel.
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>>284421102
Yeah I don't see any surprises in here.
I guess the Disasters vs. Neptunemania remains a toss-up for the semis.
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>>284421017
>so who will the 10th team to enter the last box
But there are 8 teams left? Am I stupid or is this just a translation error.
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>Mantaro begging for his life
lmao
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>>284421146
There's probably no pages without something stupid in the translation.
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I spent a lot of time debating whether or not to stitch these two pages
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OH SHIT
OOOOOOOOOH SHIT
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it's icecubeman
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>>284420816
>That Warsman can't possibly be alive!
Is Weekend At Bernie's even out yet?
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>Neptuneman vs Mammothman
I have unironically no idea how is this going to go and I'm pissed it's conveniently the last matchup
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>>284421446
>eats random shit off the floor
>gufufu, of course
>*starts bleeding from the mouth*
>That is definitely glass shards
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I imagine she's the only one believing it since it confirms Terry marries her
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Lately, I've been into the whole Stay Gold family of horses
You have no idea how much I laughed when I learned that Gold Ship was called the Unsinkable Battleship
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>>284421527
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>>284421527
How can humans compete with that?
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>>284421571
Damnit, dramatic rain! Not the time!
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>>284421549
I think is safer to say that Rinko Roxanne is Mari's biological mother with kinnikuman and all of the adoption story was fake to protect mantaro and suguru from the truth, there is no explanation of why she loves wrestling.
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>>284420647
>Mari holding her daughter
>Bibimba holding her daughter-in-law
Perfect.
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>>284421527
I know right? Kinnikuman has ruined my view of so many things its surreal.
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>>284421588
RINKO CHANGED SIDES AND JOINED THE FAMILY DRAMA LEAGUE
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Once we're done, we should do a tier list and include Neptuneman (Crisis de la Mediana Edad) in it
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>>284420741
>>284420764
Neptuneman: Master gaslighter/shittalker
Hahaha
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>>284421647
BY JACQUELINE...
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>>284421664
...that does sound fucking delicious...
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>>284421664
I've missed this Suguru
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>>284421102
Surely it won't a double bad guys victory here.
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>>284421664
>Instantly mellows out and reverts to his goofy self
Choujin pussy is too good bros
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The other day, out of boredom, I added "I've got a plan and I'm gonna whip it out" as a cathphrase to Mantaro in TV Tropes
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>>284421239
Lighting really likes to pose like Spiderman.
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>>284420980
Time for Mantaro to finally throw out those Ramenman moves.
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>>284421446
>Yep
>That's crack, alright.
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>>284421710
The john does traced this
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>>284421755
Have you considered asking giant flying talking heads to seal his soul in another dimension?
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>>284421731
>My Easter Analysis suggests Kinnikuman can somehow clean up a muddy river. The exact mechanics are as yet unknown.
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>>284421260
Twenty million powers are the perfect "trainers" to make sure the New Muscle Brothers are "ready"

It's their sink or swim moment to see if they can perfect their teamwork
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>>284421787
General Devil does sound dumb
And it's not even about translating it
Devil General would sound better
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>>284421847
I can't believe they found out Suguru gets scared of literally everything... such terrifying analysis skill...
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>>284421847
>Susceptible to loss of limbs after a single gunshot wound. What a loser.
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>>284421710
>>284421731
>>284421755
>>284421787
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>>284421847
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>>284421904
I always felt that this entire sequence was just filler. You could remove it and nothing of value is really lost. I guess it loredumps a bit for people who didn't read the original series but eeeeeh even then. Feels unnecessary
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>>284420764
>aww they want to play
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Gonna go buy some groceries real quick
Will tell you how fighting Okan goes
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>>284421385
It's obviously Seuichin even further in the future
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>>284421527
Yes!
I've been waiting for a Mcfly moment.
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>>284421993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyPZtWqktzs
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>>284421508
Out of the way before Stacy, Mari
>>284421527
ENTER
How I missed 80s ponytail Bibimba
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>>284421993
A Seichuin from a timeline where he remained a Justice Choujin and is battling with Perfect Seichuin for his own soul. Winner becomes the "real" Seichuin
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>>284421664
The heat of the gyudon cooks the egg!
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>>284421993
>It's obviously Seuichin even further in the future
He's such a good boy
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>>284420872
>Even Harabote has had enough of Suguru's shit
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>>284421549
YABBA DABBA DOO
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>>284421847
To be fair, this is the height of intelligence for the choujin race.
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>>284421334
oh shit its crystalman
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>>284421664
One of the oddest details of kinnikuman I didn't notice until a crossover pointed it out
Kinnikuman doesn't get his gyuudon with broth
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>>284421285
I see what you did there, translators.
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>>284421993
Now that you said it, I hope this will eventually become a thing.
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Survived Okan
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>>284421527
mantaro is going to have a hard time against freudman
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>we'll use their kindness against them!
Nooo that's like drowning a fish using water!
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>>284422422
Kinda wish the villains were just a little smarter sometimes, because justice chojin do have horrible weaknesses at times that are never exploited, which are very rarely used strategically

Gaslight kinnikuman during the match that terryman is tricking him somehow, he'll instantly buy it for no reason, and then kinnikuman will be weighed down by the iron sand and unable to fight. Because justice chojin are not allowed to doubt or hate each other without the sand inside their bodies making them immobile
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fuck not this
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>>284421610
kek
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>>284422480
>neptunemania sabotaged them without even caring to
kek
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>>284422516
Dude, Geronimo was able to put the hurt on sunshine
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>>284422480
It's the small things that make Neptuneman such a loveable heel
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>>284422516
>Hmm, I could insert that mysterious key into my clearly I human head wound
>No, no I must be human
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>>284422527
And it was downhill ever since...
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>>284422516
More new titles
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>>284422529
You have an entire orphanage home of people supporting you every match??
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>>284422579
Damn, what's the nuns problem?
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>>284422579
jesus christ chaos
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>>284422579
shit, that's actually kind of sad
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>>284422669
Can't he just take you back?
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>>284422698
>>284422714
MY HEROES
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>>284421334
Fuck yeah, it's Polarman! Maybe, idk I haven't read ahead
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>>284422698
Plutoman
Robin mouse
The riceball
Cowman
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>>284421446
Of course...it's POLARMAN!
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>>284422698
>>284422714


ENTER OUR TRUE HEROES
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I always love it when characters realize they were not alone as they thought
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>>284421527
Been reading Ring ni Kakero and I swear, Kurumada would occasionally draw Kiku like this too.
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>>284422579
Chaos needed therapy from the beginning. WTF this is totally the nun's fault.
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>>284421549
Mari immediately leaves when Bibinba shows up
...You had your chance and you push Suguru away. Now live with it!
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>>284422769
Man, I really gotta get back to RnK, I started it years ago but stopped some time around the first tournament
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>>284422714
I didn't expect this. What good guys.
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>beefman and taneman defeated
Yeah it's over for the 20 million powers
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>>284422714
OUR FUCKING HEROES
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>>284422775
>Robin Mice already out
KEK
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>You haven't been yourself lately, Suguru, if I were to be honest. More nervous than usual.
>Also why are you hiding a knife behind your back?
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>>284422987
.....Ok, are the Carpet Bombings just gonna be in that pose all the goddamn time?
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>>284422987
What the fuck are you RETARDS doing
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That's, uh, an unfortunate frame to choose to draw for Andre the Giant and Stan Hansen
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>>284423070
Guy who got the cheap seats: HAHAHAHA..FUCK YOU, FRONT ROW..IT'S MY TIME!
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>>284423070
Oh yeah somebody might get thrown out of the ring today!
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>>284423030
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>>284423106
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>>284423090
>>284423070
THEY BUILT THE RING ON THE MOUNTAIN DICK
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Gotta go have dinner
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>>284423123
Harabote hugging his future daughter-in-law....and Ikemen.
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>>284423106
>Harobote happy with himself
>Entire audience unable to actually see the match
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>>284420647
Man Kinnikuman has some cute girls
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>>284423106
Chairman, the universe's most dedicated hater
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>>284420980
>Warsman vs Hollywood Neptuneman
>Buffaloman/Mongolman vs Mantaro/Great III
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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>>284422987
I'm kinda loving this bit
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>>284422987
>So uh
>how do we get down from here
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>>284421446
I don't give a shit about anything other than this match. Shit is gonna be FIRE
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>>284421527
>>284421610
>Best Uma
>Best meme
Shame she can't tank a cross bomber like her namesake Robin
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>>284421847
>That Terryman outfit
Leather bars two doors down
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>>284423336
Fuck you.
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>>284423277
That's the thing with these tournaments, matches do get better each round. First few rounds are more about ironing out the kinks in each team, or teams showing what their skills are or how they can work together, or having them job to show off another team. First few matches are basically practice.

But the semi finals and finals you've already seen them work out the kinks and show their abilities, that's when its time to just put their 100% against the enemies 100% to see who's truly better. Its only once they've both used all their abilities that a fight can really begin sometimes.
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>>284421102
This seeding is stupid
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>>284423103
Underrated
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>>284423373
Man I know the next fights are all gonna be great but I'm all in on Neptunemania BROTHER. Fucker has completely overshadowed the actual arc villains, he and Seichuin are RUNNIN WILD
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>>284423005
just noticed now those fuckers ''talk'' like some Kengan character
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>>284423610
HEY
HE'S SUPPOSED TO LEARN THAT FROM ATARU
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>>284423583
>pretending he didn't have the power to say no
>pretending he didn't look smug five minutes ago by the idea of Kinnikuman dying
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>>284423103
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>>284423162
don't you mean Mayumi?
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>>284423708
>Gem of Gems
Stop it
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>>284423610
RUNguru not turning down a death match?
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>>284423722
step the fuck off the cute girl you street trash
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>Tracing Pentagon, badly
have you no shame
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>>284423700
Yeah, Mayumi. Sorry...it's early morning.
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Show's over folks!
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>>284423867
No problem, brother. Considering Harabote's interactions with her, it wasn't a bad choice either.
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>>284423842
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How are they so confident...in jobbing?
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>>284423970
"Pay attention to the losers, Brother Seichy!"
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>>284423952
>i-if that were me...
yeah we get it Thunder you guys are the main villains
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>>284423990
Mantaro is just trying to be more thorough..he's fighting his master after all.
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>>284423990
love these assholes lol
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>>284423979
Mantaro can you stop being a cunt to the people trying to help you
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>>284424002
kwab
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>>284423970
IT HAS LITERALLY NEVER BEEN KNOWN AS THE GEM OF GEMS BEFORE THIS VOLUME
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Lemme guess, he gave back Buffaloman's horn?
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>>284424109
You've got a good memory anon; that's likely it.
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>>284424076
>Ortega wins the power match up, for some reason he instantly lets go of the hold and jumps back into the ropes
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>Knows he's in a bad position
>It would be smarter to let terry go first, and to jump in when he's ready
>But instead he demands to go first just to front like he isn't in a bad position by playing tough
This guy's a liability
It would be worse if Terry wasn't the exact same sort of retard, who when his wooden leg was breaking down he exclusively started using kicking techniques against Justiceman
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>>284424176
Pat-a-cake, pat-a-cake, baker's man
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>>284424194
Damn, he got Kinnikuman with the psychological games
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>>284424237
Calm down.
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>>284424109
...Which is odd..he supposed to give the horn back during the Thrones arc during Team Soldier vs Team Phoenix.
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>>284423634
How long can Ohma survive against Hollywood Neptuneman ?
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>>284424261
THAT'S your breaking point for all the shit they've altered so far?
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this fight pisses me off, mainly because it stacks multiple layers of drama and convolution and Suguru comes off worse in each one
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>>284424305
Well, they had to do something to make it look like it mattered, given what the other matches are like
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>>284424280
It was a pivotal moment, the turning point of Buffalo vs Hard Carry
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Mental health tag tournament, I am right?
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>>284424315
He's using the Ray Mysterio
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>>284424269
can see Neptuneman coming out of nowhere and picking Haruo as his new teammate.
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Everyone in this tournament is using fake skin to mask injuries
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>>284424361
Dude ow
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>>284424361
I was worried we were gonna go a whole thread without some Nisei gore.
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>>284424161
>it’s not like suguru to be taken by surprise
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>>284424444
>lands "one" attack the entire match after screaming for ten minutes
>"Yep, this is why they're the greatest in the entire world"
Commentary just ain't reflecting reality here
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>>284424194
The Hercules Factory should have had a gaslight-mental hardiness class. The mental game is underrated in Kinnikuman.
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>>284424477
>Suguru sacrificed his arm so mantaro could get his ass beaten harder
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>>284424361
Fucking OUCH
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>>284424604
no homo?
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>>284424590
>I have never once entered a ring where I thought I'd be defeated
LOL
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>>284424627
>bombe gave his life for this
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>>284424590
>I have never once entered a ring where I thought I'd be defeated!
PSYCHOguru has evolved into AMNESIAguru
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do you think the fallout from these developments is what led to most of the love interests taking the backseat in the revival
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>>284424590
There's never been a bigger liar
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>>284424614
>shows Buffaloman under sedation for surgery
>>284424627
>reveals the horn hasn't yet been inserted
???
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>>284424696
They had to knock him out so he wouldn't destroy the entire operating room in protest.
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>>284424681
Kinnikuman was never about women, even if its unintentional making the story about women just makes it about drama, romance drama, relationship drama, and not the regular match style friendship drama. Its a story about men's friendship. For some reason stories about males friendship don't tend to work if women are involved heavily.
It sounds negative, but the biggest reason the love interests existed was so there could be a legacy, so there could be a sequel with kids.

Like any other series when a guy is having trouble in a fight, he thinks about his love interest, and he gets a burst of power. But Kinnikuman is a series where Kinnikuman thinks about his friends and gets power. There's an odd purity about it.
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>>284424792
>Like any other series when a guy is having trouble in a fight, he thinks about his love interest, and he gets a burst of power. But Kinnikuman is a series where Kinnikuman thinks about his friends and gets power
Anon, you can't seriously think this is exclusive to Kinnikuman
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>>284424807
Its different when its Kinnikuman, because women basically don't exist at all. Its a story about men thinking about only other men, but not in a gay way.
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>>284424826
Alright, anon, let's do this
Name five Shonen where the protagonists get power from thinking about their love interests
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>>284424852
Uhh there was once or twice in Rurouni Kenshin
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I think Hokuto no Ken is the *one* major shonen where romance is effectively a main motivation of somehow every single fucking character in the wasteland.
Maybe Yu Yu Hakusho too? Both Yusuke & Kuwabara got the "get a fuckhuge powerup once their crush is threatened".
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>>284424852
Gash bell when Kiyo chose to die against that lion dude he kept thinking about Suzy, not sure he really got power from that though
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>>284424807
Problem is, Friendship Power IS an actual power chojin can tap into, not just a by-word for the writer deciding the protagonist gets his heat back
Friendship Power requires the chojin to form meaningful bonds with other chojin to tap on each-other's Chojin Kyodo and boost their own, an ability that only came about once Suguru rose up in the card and began to befriend the likes of Terryman, Ramenman and others
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>>284424917
And then Yuria's ghost helped Bat with his fucking insanity in the last arc
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>>284424942
QUICK SUGURU
REMEMBER YOUR GRADIUS 1CC
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>>284424912
>>284424925
Terry deserves to be back in the top 10 favorite characters poll.
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>>284424912
>t-tanked that btw
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>>284424955
Anon, Gradius came out in 1985
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>>284424973
If it worked against Justiceman it can work against ANYBODY
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>>284424957
Watch out, he's using the Ashura special
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Man, these two are really just Discount Sunshine and Ashuraman
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>>284424957
>>284424984
One dude inside another dude has gotten very popular lately...
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"THESE FUCKERS STOLE OUR TECHNIQUES WORD FOR WORD"
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>>284425039
I miss the days when Neptuneman used the Robin Special 10x more than Robin ever used it
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>>284425039
>STOLE
that's the pot calling the kettle black from the "Ashura Buster" creator
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>>284425085
Boy, suguru wants terry to touch him badly
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so what was their plan if they fought anyone else besides these two
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This part was good
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>>284425155
...Moais can do that?
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Rather die than tell a lie
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>>284425155
Now we know the real purpose behind moai
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>>284425190
Jus like George washington
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>>284425192
lol getting his woman involved? These guys truly fight dirty
>>284425218
oh shit
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>>284425192
>hates rice but has yellow fever
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>>284425272
Bye terry the kid
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Done for today
Come back tomorrow to see if the Machineguns can beat these guys
Okay, nobody expects them to lose, but it would be real funny if it happened
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>>284425285
Thanks, OP.
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>only reason this fight is even happening is because both Suguru & Terry are stacking every disadvantage under the sun on purpose
Hard to feel invested desu
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>>284425926
Only reason its happening is because they got off way too easy not having a fight last round, and they needed at least one round where they get knocked around like retards before they have an actual serious fight later on. First round for everyone is a humiliation ritual, even Robin Mask floundered around while Kid did all the fighting because he kept looking at Kevin.
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>>284425926
Honestly, feels like padding considering that we know the Machineguns winning this considering that Moaidon and Ortega are basically randos (who I think should've been the ones in the first round.)
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>>284425926
That means their next round will be a lot more interesting. I suspect the reason why Yude hyped Hells Expansions vs Hells Bears so much is to help offset the predictability of this fight. They're telling the reader to keep reading; kino will be here soon.
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>>284425285
Thanks OP
I wanted this to be a normal fight so Kid and Mantaro could see their parents at their prime
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>>284421549
All I can think about is this meme
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>>284423722
Human rostie seething over superior choujin stacy
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>>284423722
Is the big drama this arc Rinko hating on Bib since she got the Kinniku dick and not her mom? Then she tries to gaslight Mantaro into hating his mother?
Jacqueline is already objectively the best next gen girl. Don't make it worse
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>>284422440
>title
I'm mr. lonely...
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>>284422579
That's depressing but he has to face it.
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>>284422728
>>284422751
Bros...
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>>284422669
You're looking at it from the wrong angle, Chaos.
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>>284422868
Dawww, look at him with his little lady.
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>>284422987
>>284423005
Were they waiting out there all this time?
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>>284423103
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>>284423106
Even Mayumi is distressed.
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>>284423636
>>284423731
Suguru's hatred for the new gens is so strong it pushed his character development two arcs ahead.
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>>284423722
Those shorts are criminal!
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>>284423795
>No special outfits
They deserve to lose for the lack of style.
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>>284423952
Every venue has that one audience member who takes it too far with throwing things.
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>>284424085
Oh no, this anon is suffering from the timeline changing!
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>>284424002
Ramenman is merciless.
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>>284424161
Ominous thumbs up.
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>>284424247
Smartaro
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>>284424361
That's some awful stitching.
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>>284424559
Kek
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>>284425144
>Game
Satan Cross bros, we are back!
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>>284430525
I mean, did you see that back-alley surgeon they went to?
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>>284425168
>>284425192
Based.
Never lie about your favorite food
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>>284425272
That's one terrified Natsuko.
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>>284423763
Takamura TRACED this
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>>284425285
Thx mate.
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>>284424085
Don't worry, it's a new title because this is their first match after winning the previous tournament.
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>>284425130
moai urinal mode
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>>284424604
Where the hell is THIS Suguru for the rest of this arc?
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>>284432786
He only has schizophrenic moments about time travel.
Which is to say, everything except this match.
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>>284432786
only after he discovers that mantaro is his son, and this is where terryman and natsuko discovers that kid is theirs.
there is the fact that rinko really feels like she was going to be revealed to be his bastard daughter with maki
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>>284430014
In an indirect way she is seething that Mantaro exists. It would have been better if they brought the gyaru back in time instead and have her sync with Natsuko over Kid.
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>>284430014
Jacqueline is literally Stephanie McMahon anon
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Never Ever return of Nisei timeline where Terry the Kid finally finishes his story.
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>>284430525
>>284430724
For some god forsaken reason, Suguru decided to pick the shadiest, poorest surgeon imaginable to do a last-minute surgery instead of just going to a normal hospital. What's next, asking Black Jack to cure a japanese cold?
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I fucking hate those new gen fakers so much it's unreal!!!
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>>284436854
Suguru...
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Does Nisei deserve the hate?
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>>284438748
Nisei hate was deserved because Yudetamago was on a bad shape and the two projected on the manga.
Thank god by the time the other Nisei comic with Fiona came in, it felt like a OG kinnikuman comic.
Which i hope OP covers once nisei ends as a special bonus.
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>>284439505
Isn't that Nisei all out?
We did that ages ago
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>>284439517
then i lost the threads
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>>284438748
It's more mismanaged than bad desu
UTag already got considerably better just by adressing obvious problems with Nisei so it's not like Yude *isn't* aware of what's wrong with it
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>>284439539
I can't remember what order we went in at this point, I think it was

Original -> Bunch of side stories -> Revival -> Nisei -> Nisei all out -> Maybe more side stories, i dunno -> Time travel tag arc
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>>284439615
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/277968692/#277968719

here's a random desuarchive thread with all the old thread numbers
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>>284439615
Nah, All-Out was before Nisei.
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>>284439615
Which again it may had been during the schizojanny periods from /pw/ banning people everywhere for mentioning a certain individual there And i covering Energon universe storytimes at /co/, which by the way good lord, being Thundercracker is suffering in this latest issue and kirkman nailed his og bio right
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>>284439615
Doing the first half of the Revival, Time Tag Tournament, and the second half of Revival works out pretty well in an odd way.

Spoilers btw
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>>284438748
Yes. Everything was too mean spirited.
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>>284438748
>Most side characters are completely irrelevant
>Most returning characters are too weak from old age to fight (despite there being an actual old man choujin)
>Plenty of missed opportunities (stuff like Checkmate or Ricardo not participating in the Demon Seed arc
>People being mean spirited for no good reason
There are a lot of reasons to hate Nisei, but it's a really interesting read just to see Yude's growth as a writer and how he learns from his mistakes in his later work. If Nisei was the last Kinnikuman entry, yeah. But without Nisei, we wouldn't get stuff like the revival is the way I see it.



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