Are you for or against Sybil?Would you be better off with Sybil in your country?
>>284492059I would become a terrorist just for Akane
>Living in the third world, or live in a dystopic high-tech society with relatively high living standarts as a second class citizen or illegal migrant because xenophobia, where being stressed out is illegal enough to get you tazed and thrown into jail with forced therapy that usually never works, or get pressganged into working for the cops where i will probably die.I guess i choose Sybil, at least the food there might be better.
>>284492059Akane is kinda dumb honestly
>>284492645Rude
>>284492341Enjoy your basedslop disguised as a steak
>>284492341wow bro, you surely can make your excuses to suck authoritarian dick. shine the boot harder
>>284492059>are you for or against a dystopian world?I think I wanna live in a good world
>>284492851Define a good world.>Hard modeIt has to be a world where everyone is happy, with no drawbacks.
>>284493301Utopia
>>284492059I'm just curious what my psycho pass would be and if I'd get sent to prison immediately
>>284492341>>Living in the third world, or live in a dystopic high-tech society with relatively high living standarts as a second class citizenThat's real life and the first option is starting to fade away.
Does looking at girls butts make you a target for sibylus?
>>284492059I only live for amusement
Pro-Sybil because it would get me a job that's perfect fit for me, wouldn't even have to jobhunt.Anti-Sybil because I do not like authoritarian systems.
>>284492672No, Akane.
>>284492059In the first episode Sybil authorizes lethal force against both a victim and a perpetrator. And I see the logical argument there for making both them into cheese pizza, but I wouldn't want to be subservient to a system without an ingrained moral sense of justice that makes spot judgements that could radically deteriorate the quality of life of a person without consience.
Did they have sex?
>>284492212I'd sexually assault her and then get blown up by dominator after im done
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>>284496234Was this supposed to be inspired by Rei's blush when Shinji cleans her room and says thank you
>>284495320Smug pass
>>284492059She was ugly in s1, glad they redesigned her
>>284496339Why do they look so similar?? I cant exactly remember.
>>284496402No
>>284492059Most people on the side of the system are mentally unwell, a sybil like the one in the show would never be implemented realistically.
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>>284496541>sibyl ~~ openai, but actually good>you only get to engage with the system's API, never see the code or hardware>test it out>seemingly excellent>throw whatever at it and it's above and beyond, already human level on tasks.>owner keeps stubbornly saying it's proprietary and secret, but it's been making chart go up for like a dozen quarters now and the shareholders are cooming, so you don't pry further.>hey guys, let's maybe start using it in government?>but isn't it susp.... [never seen again]>won't it be too expen... [never mentioned this again after getting a fat bribe]>what about the workers? [career sabotaged by the already bribed and blackmailed]>???>cue AD2112
>>284492059The Sybil system is, for better or worse, objectively working. We can argue that the lack of transparency and the means by which it works are a problem, but the results are still, we are shown and told, a society where for 99% of people this is working and working well. That really sucks for the 1% that eat shit on the margins of society, but thats still way better than any civilization in human history has ever managed before. This is why Sybil calls Akane's bluff at the end of the first season: "Hate us if you want, if you can come up with a way to get rid of us that doesn't make the world flat-out worse we'll be happy to go along with it."
>>284496541Most people are mentally unwell, in general
>>284497218>>sibyl ~~ openai, but actually goodThat's what makes it impossible. Technological progress in general has grinded to a halt over the last decade for reasons I couldn't even guess.
>>284492059Idk I dropped that shit before the last season because characters kept being killed for no reason ans the storytelling suffered as a result. Also the last season wasn't dubbed.
>>284497372>Technological progress in general has grinded to a halt over the last decade for reasons I couldn't even guess.We stopped being able to make the hardware dramatically better. We hit the point where, realistically, we can't squeeze much more bits and data into a space, and even if we could we wouldn't get much out of it.4kb to 64kb was a huge jump. The jump from kilobytes to megabytes was huge. The computer I had in college had two hard drives with a total disc space of 13 Gig, and I was a rockstar. Now you can get 16 gig on a THUMB DRIVE that comes in packs of 5 for dirt cheap. The jump between a 1 TB hard drive and a 4 TB hard drive is one of convenience, not really a landmark moment. tech has stagnated because before we could just expand our ability to do more by giving ourselves more space to work with, but now we've reached such a level of data abundance that there's no more room to grow that would make any difference. We are not going from 8 bit graphics to 16 bit graphics, we are making incremental improvements on the lighting engine for a digital homonculus so realistic it has pores and thats old tech.
>>284497557Sure but I didn't just mean stuff akin to processing power. The last revolution in the way people live was the smartphone almost 20 years ago now. Before that, you could point to paradigm shifts with much more frequency, whether it was the internet, portable phones, credit cards, satellite broadcasting, etc. It all just dried up.
>>284497759but All Indians will also shake the workplace up. if you include all Mumbai Learning under the umbrella, it's raising the bar for translators, truck drivers (in two or three decades), seo grifters, code monkeys, teachers because of the easiest ghostwriting method ever. it's replacing physical labor in high capital industries. it's invading media to dilute truth, which will have consequences for everything.
>>284497557But does that really improve ones life that much as say tech from the old days? For instance, radio to TV. Tech progress has actually slowed down immensely in the past 50 years. Nothing made in the past 20 years has been that great. Its incremental improvements
>>284498106Every single thing I've heard of AI doing including most of your examples, it doesn't do half as well as an actual person. It's always X new gimmick to ignore for the sake of appeasing the shareholders while it continues to misunderstand its tasks constantly. The best case scenario has been sloppy shortcuts like DLSS that most people are too ignorant to understand.
>>284497372Kind of weird to hear you say this when AI just became a mainstream thing in the last 2-3 years.It's funny because I also think the same thing sometimes, that technological progress seems slow now compared to last century when people went 50 year from just learning to fly to landing on the moon, but I think the truth is there is a lot of progress being made but in the digital space as opposed to the physical one.>>284497557I think computer hardware could be maturing as a technology, in the way that adding more horsepower to a car used to be a big deal but no longer means anything because you don't need cars that go faster than they already do.You get around this stagnation by finding new fields and new technologies to develop. Previously the internet, and now AI.
>>284498798>but I think the truth is there is a lot of progress being made but in the digital space as opposed to the physical one.This. We are making great progress technologically, but that progress is all invisible unless you know where to look. Advanced software that does amazing things, biomedical advances that you have no reason to know about unless you keep up with research or are someone with a disease that suddenly has a cure. That sort of thing.
>>284498798AI has been open to the public for at least twice as long and started in what, 2017? I saw in depth what GPT 2 and 3 were like back when people were only making smut in 2020, I followed all the tard wrangling controversy that popped up once it exploded in clout, I shook my head in disbelief as idiots started using it as an advice guru, and I can see where it is now, relegated to built-in spyware chatbots and relentlessly berated by professionals of some of the industries it's encroaching on.AI as an independent entity isn't going to go anywhere constructive because all it can ever do is advanced pattern recognition.
i wanna wear the special helmet to hide my crime coefficient and beat women up in publicone can dream...
>>284496481>>284496630>>284496339It's the bobcut anon.
>>284498899>Previously the internet, and now AI.The problem is that AI is a scam. It literally can't survive, because for it to do so would require everything else that it touches to die for its benefit and nothing else.Research AI, like we are using for compiling data and mapping particle interactions, is amazing. 10/10, great stuff. But generative AI is bullshit. Its entirely parasitic in nature, requiring the software to be fed off of scraping the internet in such a way that its only technically NOT illegal to do because the laws were written at such a time that plagarism on that scale wasn't conceivable so its not covered by them. The data centers are extraordinarily resource intensive, not just in their construction but in the fresh water and electricity necessary to keep them running, and all they do is provide either cheap pointless novelty, help college students poorly cheat on assignments, and give excuses to fire people and replace them with a lower quality alternative that just ends up being a mechanical turk anyway. There is not a single thing that generative AI does in a large scale business context right now that justifies the immense damage done to make it happen. Its only saving grace is that it convinces enough rubes to throw money into it that the stock keeps going up. But thats most just other major corporations grasping at straws at the end of their enshittification lifecycle, even if Ai doesn't pan out they HAVE to try it because the alternative is that their business collapses anyway.
>>284499277Meant for >>284498798
>>284492059I watched Providence recently and I'm not sure why Akane was crying at the end. Was she just sad about going to prison?
>>284492059The Sibyl System is literally a scam with fake numbers invented by sociopaths in a literal brain farm for fun. At most, it's just a stress or anxiety reading removed from all context, and even then the brain farm adjusts numbers for its own amusement. Sibyl is quite literally worthless and a total liability in a hellhole nation, and that's the entire point. It's the most glaring example of their bullshit government and society.
>>284492341The entire thing you described is the Sibyl System, it's one of the major reasons why such a society is terrible all around.
>>284499319No, for all of its faults the Sibyl System does what it says. The individual brains are sociopaths, but the system as a whole is still geared for administering justice to society.Consider the second season, where The Sibyl System is forced into a position where it has to judge itself, and actually purges the brains that make its own collective psycho pass worse. If it was just a cabal of sociopaths working for their own benefit it never would have done that.
>>284499310shes a cake now
>>284499101>>284499277I'm very very quick to call new technology gimmicks, I did so for crypto and VR though personally I don't think either of those conclusions was that hard to figure out. I don't think AI is a gimmick though. There's a real use for it, but it's not the same as any other technology humans have invented up to this point because it's unpredictable and doesn't create precision results. But that could also mean it can do things those other technologies can't do.
>>284499487What unique or hyper-optimized use have LLMs and the like shown at any point?
>>284492059Definitely for, they'd deem me a threat and lock me up in a big comfy room and give me everything thing I need to indulge in my NEET life
>>284499487It does have uses, but none of those uses it is actually good for are what they are trying to sell it as. Thats why its a scam. People think its the computer from Star Trek, giving them detailed and comprehensive analysis when you tell it "Run level 3 diagnostic", and thats just not what it does. If you ask chatGPT to research a legal case for you and find past cases that match your criteria, it will just make up shit that didn't happen that meets what you asked it to find. If you ask Claud to help you with your software development, it will make your code unusable or sometimes even just *delete your entire workspace* without you having asked it to. These are not a question of refinement or accuracy or a need for incremental development to get us from where we are to where we need to be. This is a fundamental misuse of the tool to do something it clearly isn't designed for.
>>284492059The best part about this series is that it had the maturity to not just go "le authoritarian system is secretly evil!!!!!!" and have Akane realize that at the moment there's no better solution but still strive to one day find a better one. Sucks that everything that followed the first season was utter shit and did nothing to satisfyingly build on this.
>>284499598I've been modding Factorio as a complete neophyte and all throughout this month it's been half an enormous help learning how the game's inner systems work and half an enormous faggot misleading me with bold lies but even then the lies were helpful in getting me to code-dig in random directions and learn the rest for myself. Just the fact that this tool is at my disposition at any time to answer every random shit question i may have is a plus compared to regular forum people who don't want to deal with my stupid queries and won't answer if i ask, even if its answers are sometimes infuriatingly wrong. Never trust chatgpt, thank you chatgpt for helping me.
>>284499782Then that's been my point. You can use it as a tool to save yourself trouble but it can't do the whole job by itself. If the greatest potential AI can show after this many years and trillions of dollars is as a supplementary program, there's no hope for it. Companies will pretend otherwise to enshittify whatever they can and then backpedal when it blows up in their faces. It's not technological progress.
>>284499782The problem is that this is inherently a self-defeating situation. You ask it questions about the games inner workings, and how does it know how to give you the correct answer? It scrapes and compiles the very forum posts that you are avoiding. Its the same information, repackaged for you in a faster package that requires less reading but sometimes just hallucinates bullshit. But okay, you're fine with that because its convenient for you now. But what happens if everyone does what you are doing? What would happen if this AI tool replaced those forums for people getting this information entirely? things would work for a while, but then catastrophically fail within 5-10 years. Why? Because if the forums don't exist, *there's nothing for the AI to scrape to inform itself about new problems*. It cannot function except to regurgitate someone else's answers, so if people rely on the AI too much there are not any new answers to harvest and it stops being able to answer your questions. Its a model that cannot possibly succeed, because its success is also its own suicide.
>>284499598Does AI art slop count?
>>284499910Actually it can do the job sometimes but it needs to be a very simple job and if you give it a more complex job to do it'll try to do it and fail while displaying the same level of confidence as for the simple job. I think that's a problem.As a supplementary program i found gpt to be powerful, an enhanced search engine because rigid keyword and tags search engines are useless crap. I never want to ctrl+f ever again. >companies will pretendI don't care about companies or marketers. I'm an engineer so if i see any tool i start to think about how to use it to my own ends. If i realize the Fork can't cut a Steak then i won't complain that it can't and instead i won't use it for cutting steaks. Food analogy since i'm currently hungry.I've never watch psycho-pass by the way because it looked like a cheap anime though its opening sounded amazing.
>>284500216>unique
>>284499741Big agree with this. Psycho Pass season 1 is great and this is one of the most underrated aspects of it as a story.>>284499704This is definitely what I was referring to about people trying to get precision answers out of a non-precision tool. The actually useful things you can do with AI is shit like generating a summary of a videocall meeting, or letting you take a picture of the equipment information on the side of a machine and then reading that and giving summary or technicial info for how to service the machine.
>>284499962It knew how to give me the correct answer because it could read the entirety of the game's codebase since the developers put all of it online for display, functions, keys, calls and descriptors on their wiki.I'm not avoiding forums because i don't like forums but because human users won't bother answering me. Maybe i'm not a fun enough guy.>the same information, repackaged for you in a faster package that requires less reading but sometimes just hallucinates bullshitDon't be so rustled, i am fine and it is convenient. Hallucinations could be mitigated with a sort of "assurance percentage" attached to each reply.If everyone was doing exactly what i did then people would learn some new things about the subjects they're interested in. I declare chatGPT incompetent but knowledgeable so i'll remain the competent one because even though it was a good teacher, the brain at work was clearly mine. If the hallucination problem could be fixed i'd let a child interact with it. Could become way better than some unmotivated school-teach who's going to break his curiosity. Humans teach bullshit wrong things to other humans all the time.
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>>284501357>>284501537All these years later, and I still hear it...
>>284492059against sybilthe reason is that sybil avoids changing its own hue by leaving it up to enforcers to kill.
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>>284499741In my headcanon Akane is a schizo who talks to her gun thinking that Sibyl is communicating with her but in reality it's an excuse for her to obey the system, still based.
>>284492059What other stuff besides Season 1 are worth watching? I kinda slept on everything else from this series because Urobutchi was not involved
>>284503469just the last movie but I don't remember if you need context from everything else to watch it
>love season 1>like season 2 decently>hate season 3 + it's movie>don't remember any other moviesreally went downhill after season 1 huh
>>284504165I remember the movie and s3 being far better than s2
>>284504189idk I might be in the camp of liking S2. obviously a step down from s1 but still had some interesting philosophy aspects to it. s3 was just... nothing. I didn't care for any of the characters, the story, the problems, the philosophy they were going for. it was completely boring. not even sure why I bothered to finish it
>>284499127Gotta love how the goy can't compute either
>>284492059Don't worry lads. We'll get there soon enough. The IDF is already picking targets with big data and AI.Soon we'll let Grok decide who to arrest.
>>284499310She’s going thru a lot and things finally settled down, it’s not that hard
I hated s3 because I thought mind tracing is bs
imagine the hue of who decides willingly to mutilate his genitals
>>284492059isn't this the end goal of whatt palantir is trying to do? build a surveillance state that can catch potential criminals before a crime has occured. that and automate war.
>>284506470pretty low, unless he's neurotic over it
>>284497237The problem is that society can't do anything about the 1% because of the Sybil system.
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>>284499704>>284499962I've heard LLM's described as a lossy compression of the internet and "AI hallucinations" are just compression artifacts.
>>284504215I didn't hate S3 but it felt like a different show. We went from Sybil being this all-encompassing force to "You can't scan that guy he's important :(" which completely fucked the vibe of the world. Same problem I had with the Mentalist superpowers, if the point of the world is that it's an authoritarian surveillance state you could just have the deaths get caught on camera to reinforce the worldbuilding instead of introduce superpowers. >not even sure why I bothered to finish itI basically always finish shows so I can shit on them in an educated way
>>284511916Season 3 being more of a police procedural but at the same time introducing a main character that has the superpower of instantly solving crimes was so retarded. The main villain was fun though.
>>284492059Everyone on this board would get imprisoned for life or pizza'd.
>>284492059Every single person that ever accused someone to be locked up for loli content is already mentally living in the Sybil System without realizing it. That or Minority Report.
>>284511107I don't see the artifact comparison and i find the chinese room allegory closer to the point. These tools clearly display no understanding so a true and a false answer hold the same weight. Calling it AI helps people to expect too much out of it and generalized confusion ensues.
I had fun with the Evil Monopoly in S3
>>284504215>S2 still had some interesting philosophy aspects to itLike? I felt the first season had solid philosophical underpinnings but then everything that came after was "CSI: the anime". Or to put it in another way the first season used the very world itself to make a point, while all the following series used the the world as a backdrop. Where season one asks whether we ought to be judged and moderated by brains in jars, season two asks what to do if some percentage of the jarred brains are assholes.
>>284492059only if i got an akane wife and i was a mercenary outside of the country so the system wouldnt fuck me over due to my high coefficient. but i still get to tap that detective pussy.
>>284504215i liked it up until the WC in her room scene but after that i lost interest. finished it, but season 1 was better i feel.
Akane is sex
arkane is over 30 and childless, its over
>>284517615she needs sex
>>284492059The ultimate black pill is realizing that the bottom like 98% of the population is borderline insects that would despise Sybil publicly, but privately would adore it.Psycho pass is just an analogy for how the world currently works. Those with the intellect, will, and/or financial means can escape the "system" and achieve a solitary existence above everybody else. But the system is a living organism, and unless these foreign bodies prove themselves as being at least symbiotic, it won't hesitate to destroy them with its own immune system out of fear that the cancer will create a new body from the rotting corpse of the old.However, Season 2 being so irredeemably stupid proves that this parallel is at best, entirely unintentional.
>>284517846Season 2 on has different writers, that's why.
>>284492059I'm not sure what the intent was and I stopped following this past season 2, but if this was done in Hollywood a quarter of screen time would be dedicated to romance between MC and moidMC, they'd discover the truth about Sybil and blow it up with a nuclear blast or something while walking away from the explosion, roll credits. It's quite refreshing to change this to Akane being rather realistically feminine and avoiding conflict, risk, and depriving normies of their AI mommy in favor of "working to change the system from the inside", while adding a Nietzschean chad who is only "villain" because he slices people's throats for fun
>>284492059This gotta be the most retarded anime ever made>we have created a system that is 99.99% perfect>NOOOOOO THINK IN THAT 00.01 THIS IS NOT HUMANITYWithout to mention that the "arguments" of the villains are even more retarded>look I just dropped a nuke on your country, obviously a failed system *smirk**smirk* I'm so smart
