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so the other night i turned on the Crunchyroll channel and bocchi the rock was airing. the audio was in Japanese but there was no option for subs or cc, so I just sat there and watched the screen for 48 minutes.

It's weird how different it feels. I'm so used to having subs on the screen that I never realized I'm not actually focusing on the performances of the actors. i couldn't understand shit, besides the common throwaway lines, but I still enjoyed it. the whole experience made me think of learning Japanese, and reconsider if subs are actually superior to dubs.

sorry, op, I don't know if this has anything to do with your thread.

Behead dubfags

>>284503416
Hi

>>284503416
Bebop is the biggest offender, Blum completely butchered Spike's voice

you can include Vampire Hunter D Bloodlust having an advanced NA screening that was dubbed come out before domestic releases as another one of those dublore lies since dubfags love to say shit like "Bloodlust was made in English first" ignoring the lipsync clearly being made for the original audio

The main issue is that amutt VAs are not actually actors.

>>284503416
>they're now trying to gaslight people into thinking you can't watch and read subs at the same time

>>284503416
Yes, Black Lagoon dub is better than the sub.

Just watch your chinese cartoons and quit worrying about the fucking gay language tracks.

>>284504467
I tried watching Heaven's Official Blessing but I got bored.

>>284504461
I used it as an OP because on rewatch the original japanese dub blows the english out of the water.
The deliveries in english are pretty emotionally flat, and everything sounds like a low tier 2000s/2010s era western cartoon because it's treading those same waters which English anime dub productions source 'talent' from at a very low cost. The only one who really tries at all is Shenhua's voice actress, but she's still just not as good as the original (she does a worse and less natural chinese english accent than the seiyuu does a chinese japanese accent, and she said some time back that she'd refuse to reprise her role because she felt it was "racist" anyway lmao).

Rock and Revy sound like they're supposed to be 12, like Rock's voice is how you'd expect maybe Garcia to sound like. He sounds like a total limp-dicked faggot in EN which is a complete mischaracterization. Sawyer's performance is also completely phoned in, and sure she's a side character with few lines, but compare to how unique and distinct the Japanese voice performance is, how much character that has, versus the completely flat and boring English delivery which they just throw a filter on and call done.

It's nothing at all like the Cowboy Bebop dub, which I also think sucks ass compared to JP, but which is mainly held up by Spike's voice actor compared to everyone else who is phoning it in, so in Black Lagoon you don't even have any one strong or notable performance to prop up the rest of the slackers.

>>284504007
Pretty much everything that was "made in English first" was still written in Japanese first and animated to the Japanese script, even if the burger dubbers potentially did their voice acting first.

>>284504530
>Rock and Revy sound like they're supposed to be 12
In what world to 12 year olds sound like that?

>Sawyer's performance is also completely phoned in
She's talks with an electrolarynx, that's how is supposed to sound.

>Phoning it in
Just because you don't like a performance doesn't mean the actor is phoning in their performance.

>>284504671
Sorry I just watched this and I cannot trust a single word your dubfags say
https://youtu.be/13fX3sClOsI

>>284504704
I just watched this and I cannot trust a single word your subfags say
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4ZhML4YGUw

>>284503416
>Why the hell do dubfags love to gaslight people?
Sorry I prefer when a grown man doesn't sound like a geriatric woman.

>>284504722
Unironically better than english, ESPECIALLY when you also judge the scene as a whole and take into account the random goon's seiyuu being a million light years ahead of the rando they got to voice in the en dub

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>>284503416
People with shit taste naturally try to fool others that their shit taste isn't shit with excuses and overall stupid reasons as a way of making them feel better about their shit taste, they have a inferiority complex of sorts.

>>284503416
People accept "facts" based less on how reliable they are and more on how much they like them. Anything that clashes with their existing opinions is easily overlooked or forgotten entirely. Then they repeat things that support their argument whether they're true or not.

>>284504722
This was painful

>>284504854
Retard

>>284504764
>>284504854
>pretending this thread and OP aren't exactly that
Bunch of pseuds

>>284505033
Another dubnigger classic is this one.
https://desuarchive.org/a/search/text/porco rosso french miyazaki/order/asc/
Pretty sure it's on IMDB and a couple of Wikipedia articles as well, but there's not a source to be found anywhere.

another dubfag myth, though way rarer, is the claim that "2chan liked the EN trailer" or some shit like that

Only ESLs hate dubs. Ask any dub hater if they hate the latinx or euroshit dubs and they'll say no.

>>284503416
>Why the hell do dubfags love to gaslight people?
You spend your nights trying to gaslight people into thinking you have these conversations. You threads about arguments you’ve never had so you can feel like you belong.

>>284505293
most ESL people watch subs anyway, it's mostly EOPs, and then again mostly amerimutts or americanized colonies like germany that insist on watching dubs.

>>284505576
here you are trying to gaslight yet again, pretending dubfaggots havent been peddling those falsities for decades now, or that the favorite non-argument dubfags use isn't the "you don't know japanese" argument

>>284505233
"nips liked the dub" is a typical dubtard invention, whether they're talking about 2chan, the anime director, the original manga author, nips watching the dub on TV because it was so good it totally aired there with nip subtitles, etc etc.

>>284503416
The small handful of bad english dubs vastly outshine the deluge of mediocre-to-good dubs, which is most of them. Early on, in the 80s to early 90s, english dubs got this reputation of terrible quality that some weebs never forgave and never forgot and it quickly got perpetuated by memes and repetitive behavior.

>>284503416
stfu chuddie

>>284504461
The german dub is the craziest shit. It's fucking hilarious and cool.

>>284506351
>mediocre-to-good dubs, which is most of them
No

>had to learn japanese to own le dubfags
>betrays his fellow chuddies indirectly by confirming that he couldn't make a judgement just by reading subs
topkek

The only reason why you would watch a dub are:
>Have actual mental issues like ADHD that don't allow you to watch something and read
>You are an 30iq retard
>You are blind
>Can't read
>The dub is completely made up bullshit that they didn't even bother to properly translate because of the amount of lost in translation that would occur from doing so, AND the result somehow being actually good (see spanish Koni-chan
>The show is complete ass and the dub somehow creates a gold nugget out of a pool of shit
There's only 3 valid reasons here

The only reason why you would watch a dub are:
>Have actual mental issues like ADHD that don't allow you to watch something and read
>You are an 30iq retard
>You are blind
>Can't read

>"I only read books in their original language"

>>284507165
>>284506606
fat fingers typed this.
Chuddies need to stfu and leave the internet

>>284506090
>j-japanese is just as bad, you just don't understand it
>now listen to this thing i made up about japan liking the english dub that they don't understand
dubfags trying to stay consistent for 2 seconds challenge

>>284507316
dubfag fingers typed this.
Dubbies need to stfu and leave the internet

>>284503416
Americans are just bad at voice acting.
I don't know what it is about America specifically which causes them to produce such shit voice actors, but universally other anglophone countries do it better

>>284507316
Kill yourself, retarded tourist.

>>284507440
because they literally hire people from the street
at least in UK those VAs are usually well-established theatre actors who know how to play

>>284503416
certain animes have better dubs and some have better subs
yu yu hakusho is a pile of shit in original Japanese. bland and boring. Dub made it entertaining

>>284507521
I've jumped back and forwards a couple of times on dual track audio and it's like they don't even bother lmao.
The japanese VAs set the rythm of their speech around the animations (i.e. being out of breath while running, taking a punch) whereas the english VAs just say the words with the characters

>>284508009
Animation-voice syncing is a thing all over the world. I'm from Brazil and scripts are adapted all the time to fit in the mouth flaps. Americans just don't give a shit.

>>284509112
American VAs record the voices first and animation is overlayed. Pre-lay and post-lay are two different trades, which is part of the reason why a lot of western cartoon and videogame voice actors don't do much anime.

>>284504530
>The deliveries in english are pretty emotionally flat, and everything sounds like a low tier 2000s/2010s era western cartoon
Sorry anon but that's false
>I must have misheard you. You better hope I did, otherwise you're a fucking dead man.
Delivered with a careless/indifferent affectation, which is exactly what Revy is trying to do here: pushing aside/ignoring a difficult conversation she doesn't want to have, "let's not do this" etc.
Rock replies with more force because he's done with Revy's bullshit (I'll grant he's not as good as Revy's VA here but still does a decent job
>That's a shame. You just stepped on a non-negotiable fucking landmine.
Even though she's about to shoot him in the head, her delivery becomes even more containted, which again, is what's going on with Revy in the scene. Rock pushed her too far and she's trying to (emotionally) control herself by resorting to her coping mechanism, wanton violence
Rock manages to fight back effectively (and subtextually, see through her guise) and she loses it, which the VA appropriately portrays by increasing the volume and making her voice coarser
>You really think you can judge me, Mr. White Collar? What do you know about my life?
Continues with the same coarse voice, but this time resorting to verbal over physical coping. Notably her voice becomes more frail as she speaks, because Revy was probably not expecting for Rock to call her out on her BS. He saw through her rationalizations, making her emotionally unstable
>Shut the fuck up, damnit! I'm serious! I'll kill you!
Both the dialogue and the delivery communicate Revy "lost" the argument here, she's basically at the brink of collapse here and is trying to resort to threats again over facing herself directly

This isn't oscar worthy or whatever, but it's leagues above most anime dubs. yea it's cartoony sometimes, but when it works, it's quite good

https://youtu.be/_qh82z9rdB8?si=ZQNxt5So6eTgirc9

>>284505233
just realized i forgot to mention this was meant specifically for the Geass trailer

>>284507682
exact opposite

>>284505233
>>284506090
It's not hard to imagine nips "liking" english dubs. And by "liking" I mean they go "oh, that's neat!" and then pay it no further mind.
It's like hearing a western cartoon in Japanese.

>>284504530
>everything sounds like a low tier 2000s/2010s era western cartoon
And even the low-tier trash from that era had good voice acting.
What's your point?

>>284503416
Ghost stories is funny because you know that's not at all what they're saying originally.

Old dubs good
New dubs bad

All dubs bad

>>284509245
Just rewatched this scene and the original sub is still preferrable
Either way, I'm flabbergasted at you dubtards' insistence on posting clips as if it's supposed to be some sort of argument for quality. I judge dubs based on the entire viewing experience, and original dubs are basically always better for way more reasons than 2nd rate american anime dubbers sucking ass; one or two scenes where the dub is supposedly on par with the original doesn't make up for all the side cast being dogshit and not even acting or the rest of the show where everything is just markedly worse. Perhaps the most important thing is that dub scripts are way worse than original scripts; there's no verisimilitude ever

>>284504530
>Rock's voice is how you'd expect maybe Garcia to sound like.
lmao. Now I know you're shit posting. Rock sounds nothing like a child and hearing Garcia sound like Light fucking Yagami would've been extremely jarring.
How the hell does this sound anything like a 10-year old?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtkJQpNvPSA

>>284509201
The main reason is that dubbing anime pays like shit, so only incompetent fucks that really want to be "actors" despite not being able to land any real gigs are willing to take those jobs.

>>284503416
dubfags are ironic weebs. there's not a single anime I've ever watched that was even tolerable in english. there are some good voice actors, some I prefer over their Japanese voice like Goku. But for every good voice there are hundreds of terrible voices, and combined with nonsensical rewrites that do nothing but hurt the story or characters, I cannot stand to watch anything dubbed.

Based. I also learned Japanese and the Jap version is WAY better.

>>284509504
>t, so only incompetent fucks that really want to be "actors" despite not being able to land any real gigs are willing to take those jobs.
It's not even that anymore. It's literally anime fans that get scouted at conventions and love the medium enough to keep doing work for chump change.

Seiyuu roles are highly competitive and highly compensated. High profile seiyuu are basically idols who also travel around doing promotional work for their characters. Recording sessions involve every character in the scene, overseen by a voice director who will force multiple takes until satisfied.

American VAs are the dregs of Hollywood. The talentless "actors" who are incapable of getting roles in real productions so they accept the peanuts localization companions offer for anime dubbing. Dubs are recorded alone in their sad studio apartments.

Good VAs exist in the west. Just look at the Disney VA talent pool, or many video games. But they are not working in anime dubs, the garbage bin of acting roles.

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>>284509601
>Just look at the Disney VA talent pool,

>>284509651

Are you really going to claim that Jim Cummings is a bad voice actor?

>>284509683
No, but I also don't associate him with Disney alone.
It also doesn't help that most Disney cartoons these days just hire fotm celebrities than actual actors like Cummings or Tress MacNeille.

>>284509465
That's your choice anon, I was just responding to your specific claim that the delivery was flat (which it isn't)
For the record, I don't think most english anime dubs are worth anything, black lagoon is the only case where I think it mostly matches and ocasionally surpasses the OG
I do think the entire viewing experience for the dub is also good, but how else do you expect me to defend my point -without- posting a clip?

>>284509465
>Perhaps the most important thing is that dub scripts are way worse than original scripts; there's no verisimilitude ever
That's just a translation issue across the board. Sub scripts also sound significantly worse and read awkwardly compared to hearing it in the original language.

>>284503416
Because dubfags only know one language, people that only know one language are dumber than people that know two or more, so that's how they cope with their own low IQ.

>>284509601
>But they are not working in anime dubs, the garbage bin of acting roles.
That seems to be changing the more western cartoons pivot toward celebrities and live action actors for primary roles. Spider Man's VA from the Spectacular Spider Man cartoon has been doing a lot of dubs lately, for instance, and that was something that I'd never believe if you told me 15 years ago. Then you have Dunmeshi somehow getting freaking Corey Burton.

>>284509825
My point is it's dumb to argue for one dub over another over the basis of a single scene

>>284503416
I watched black lagoon dub for a couple epsiodes last night after not having watched a dub in like 12, 13 years (aside from rewatching pokemon and dragonball) oh and space dandy
It was okay
I mean it still sounds inferior to the sub but it wasn't bad.

>>284503416
The original is always better no matter what anyone says.
And it doesn't matter what country or show we're talking about.
American movies are much better in English than in any other language.
European games like the Witcher are also better in the original languages.
There are very rare exceptions but they only happen if a product is made with this or that specific country audience in mind.
You can cope with "but this old anime had a funny dub" like Golden boy but it's just a cope nevertheless.

>>284509541
>there are some good voice actors, some I prefer over their Japanese voice like Goku
Holy shit kill yourself.

>>284504564
I do like space dandy in dub tb.h

>>284503416
>get told all my life I only prefer subs because I don't understand Japanese
No, see, understanding isn't enough, if Japanese is not your primary language you won't get it, man.

>>284511630
And it's exactly because you heard it first dubbed.
You can trace almost every "dub is better" argument to series where that is the case.
It's not actually better, but because you heard it first, you're likely to make a connection of "this is how it should sound."

>>284503416
I will never understand why dubs vs subs is a thing at all. In literally any other medium you would never have people (except possibly boomer Americans) even suggest that you should watch anything dubbed. Whatever the original audio was, that's what you watch. Don't need to learn French, German, Japanese, Spanish or whatever language a movie or piece of media was originally made to understand and enjoy it. Just fucking read the subtitles.

>>284512286
Some countries to dub over the originals with actual TV shows. I think Germany is one of them, but not sure.
Insanity.

>>284511502
You cannot honestly tell me you prefer grandma Goku.

>>284514693
I can and I will.

>>284514693
You cannot honestly tell me you don't.

Being American should be illegal, taste this shit is not human.

>>284509336
there are groups of autistic neets in Japan debating over whether they should watch American Cartoons in the original English or the Japanese dub RIGHT NOW

>>284515434
And they're retarded because the obvious answer is "original English".

>>284507440
America has extremely talented actors (movie) and good voice actors (cartoons), but it's the cheap overused nepo voice actors (anime) that are ruining the optics.

>>284515528
>good voice actors (cartoons),
Actually yeah that's fair enough. Half of the problem is when movie stars try to be VAs though.
Also when it's not kids stuff VAs seem to take themselves way too seriously

>>284515466
that's what I'm saying, the average normalfag nip prefers dub because their own language is familiar to them, whereas the hardcore ones who are deep into american cartoons prefer the original. Same thing that we're doing right now in this very thread, the normalfag english speakers prefer dub because it's familiar, but the hardcore japanese cartoon watchers prefer original

>>284515580
And as always, no one should care what the normalfags think

>>284514693
I gotta say, I prefer Sergeant Keroro's english voice slightly more than the Japanese, but I like everyone else's voice way more in Japanese than in English

>>284515434
They should watch it in whatever they want just like I'll watch their cartoons in whatever I want.

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Prefer subs in pretty much all cases but sometimes a certain English VA can just fucking kill it.

>>284512286
The truth is that dub preference is basically all anti Asian racism. Most hate for anime comes down to that under any amount of digging

>>284515580
The average normalfag nip doesn't really watch burger cartoons.

>>284517464
the average normalfag doesn't watch anime either, it's all niche internet communities on both sides of the sea

>>284517507
Like 90% of Sazae-san's viewerbase is over 40, and that's Japan's most watched TV anime.

>>284517547
There's a huge difference between family anime and otaku anime

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My policy is to do subs unless the dub was intended for TV (usually this just means ADV) In that case, I do dubs and subs depending on what I want that day.
When the quality and passion present between sub and dub becomes somewhat similar, the question of superiority becomes irrelevant to me. The two translations mean I can see two slightly different shows in one. One allows me to see the author's original intent, and one allows me to be lazy and hear what a slightly more Western version would be like. Both are interesting to watch in their own right.