Something I've noticed in Shounen manga publishing magazines is the discrepancy in quality between WSJ and other magazines like Weekly Shounen Sunday/Weekly Shonen Magazine. This is a broad topic so I'm going to be brief. I think what people equate to or accredit to Shounen as being "Shounenslop" is because of how WSJ is distributed and marketed as, as well as its overall worldwide popularity.Labeling it as a typical WSJ manga implies it's like the average shounen there—full of powerscaling, constant high-octane fights, and little real narrative depth. But a closer look shows that's hardly the case.WSJ came in almost 10 years in the market after Weekly Shounen Magazine. But the dramatic effort into making every manga under WSJ as testosterone-fueled as possible came in part by the company's discretion, Shueisha. This may be why there's an underlying obsession with youth in some earlier entries in WSJ.You can compare and contrast the manga entries between WSJ and Weekly Shounen Sunday/Magazine and see for yourselves the differences in writing and tone. Sunday/Magazine arguably has much tighter writing and plot/character development as its written more in the manner of a Western non-cape comic. Whereas WSJ feels more like it's written in the matter of Big-2 (DC/Marvel). Hence the comparison since "Shounenslop" sounds no less different than Marvelslop. WSJ has a few rare exceptions in some manga, though, in how they feel like they could've been published under a different magazine due to how they're written and the tone of their narratives. Such as HxH, YYH, Claymore, Cobra, Gintama, D.Gray-Man, and *maybe* Bleach and some aspects of JJK/CSM on a few occasions. But I'm not 100% positive.What do you guys think about it and why do you think Shounen is given the reputation as slop that it is?
>>284507294Sir, this is a Wendy's.
WSM used to be a really political magazine with most Manga being either allegories for the past war and other societal problems or being really direct in its critic like Ashita no Joe. Shonen Magazine had become a leftist staple at the time. I recommend you to look into the WSM covers from 1965-1970 and how creepy they looked. However it was Shonen Champion that founded the current formula for Shonen magazines. It was the best selling magazine throughout the 70s and introduced the hot blooded Shonen type you mean. The other magazines started adapting Champions formula and Jump became the most popular Magazine towards the start of the 80s thanks to Dr. Slump.
>>284508742Right. But a lot of Shonen Champion's lineups also seem much more tame in comparison to what WSJ was during the 80s and early 90s. Baki may be the biggest outlier in their magazine. But its tone has decreased dramatically over the years to the point it just feels like sardonic moe.But WSJ's lineups and runs feel more like caricatures than actual characters because they lack the sort of verbal tact and character development found when compared to Shounen Sunday/Magazine.That probably explains why I find myself enjoying manga like Frieren, Getbackers, Inuyasha, Yofukashi No Uta, Negima, Fumetsu No Anata E, and Iruma-Kun because they actually manage to develop their narrative instead of punching their way through everything with all of their problems.
WSM had people like Ishinomori and Nagai, so it's a given that it's better by default
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>>284509142Nagai did series for all of the Big 4, and so did Ishinomori
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>>284509239>>284509287It's not supposed to be something you get right away by skimming it.
>>284509142>>284509274please stop feeding the bot
