Why do pre-2000s anime look so much more visually appealing? Also, retro art thread I guess.
>>284534442They don't, you're looking at a small, biased selection while ignoring anything post-2000s that looks good.
>>284534442it doesn't you're just a nostalgia retard who's watched the 10 or so super popular pre-2000s shows and think that was the norm when it's not.99% of shows of that era were even shittier than the ones now but because one or two great shows like say eva aired at the time, people think all shows were great.
>>284534682>>284534687>Defending modern digital slop
>>284534442the colors were actual paints on celscolors now are all digital and don't look as good
>Here comes the new good old bad faggotsIt's objectively okay to like older things because you either appreciate the skill set and manpower that went behind it. You're going to have digital fags saying 'oh well it's the same thing now and then' but the work for is completely different. they employed more people in house then freelancers, painting something by hand is a lot different than: drawing it by hand, scanning it, redrawing the line art digitally, and rendering the animation on a computer. People don't like to acknowledge that digitally drawn or traditionally are completely different mediums which will give you completely different feels just like watercolors and oil paints are completely different mediums with different feelings to them. People who argue this do not draw or cannot comprehend that different mediums feel different to people. Either because they consume and don't care about how their product is made or they just cannot comprehend art as individual sub sects rather than a monolith. I like the film grain, I like the shadows that multiple cels will give. They give life to a still frame because when you replace mouth cels, the cel mouth is usually on a different frame the rest of the line art which moves as it's changed for each word creating some life in an otherwise still frame. modern methods would be a completely still frame except for the mouth moving. There's no movement.
>>284534442Influence of better films and art in general.And passion.
>>284534442Urusei Yatsura?
>>284534853There's also the side effect of when a company produces things on cels and film, there's a much easier chance of a archive for your company to either in the future give it to fans such as: when you saw movies in theatres you might get a packet with a cel in it as a bonus. You can sell it at a wonfes. Or you can keep the key frames and like kill la kill did sell the in-between frames as mystery packets as a way to have fans preserve art from their works. you as the company can keep those art pieces for the company archive in case of anything happening. digitally drawn files can get accidentally deleted, they can get lost in a cloud when eventually that company goes under it bans you. If there is a deleted scene it's gone forever, whereas some deleted scenes from works with cels, those cels are floating around and could be scanned in the future as a way to keep the deleted scene alive for people who may have not seen the theatrical version.There's also a lot of emphasis on paint matching as this anon says>>284534762 cels were captured with bright light which means the paint had to be a specific shade range to show up well on film. On a lot of televisions back then blue was a dominant feature so when you had a black you can't just choose two hex codes above that you have to actually choose a contrasting color that will show up next to those blacks on television.
>>284534442Visual appeal is subjective.
>>284534853>>284535015Thank you anon for the thorough replies>>284535084To a degree, but we need to go back. Better body proportions, accentuated colors and shading.
>>284534442bounce
>>284534442They don't you just have a selective memory. If you pit all modern releases vs all pre 2000s releases on average the quality would be higher for newer shows.
>>284534853>old good new bad cries out in pain as he strikes you
>>284535140>we need to go backWhy? I'm genuinely curious what kinda retro anime you've been watching recently that make you think like they generally had better proportions, colouring and shading in the cel era.Because as someone who actually watched a share of old anime I can tell you that's not the case.Even something like Blue Lock, which gets memed to hell and back for some poorly animated moments, has better drawing humans, colouring and shading than 90% of cel anime on tv. There's plenty of examples and comparisons to draw but you're gravely mistaken if you think old anime generally looked particularly good. You get a bunch of decent episodes, lots of filler slop and the occasional season finale which is genuinely great. That part gets clipped and screenshotted and people online pretend like that's the standard they had back then.
>>284535270I don't like to pit them against each other
>>284535386They had a better idea back then. I'm not talking about averages but the set ideal. Take new GitS as an example.
>>284534442Because they were done by people that drew instead of using photoshop.
>>284534442I think it's because traditional art naturally introduce more variation through the mediums which you have to work extra hard in digital art to get since digital art is basically just stamps. I think the transition to digital has at this point reach a good point where artists know how to make digital art not so flat
Modern anime forgot what shading is
>>284535272Title?
>>284534442
>>284536422We need to make eroticism tasteful again. That rack is beautiful. Good shading really adds a lot.
>>284535155Inuyasha was not pre2000
>>284536442>Title*Titty.
>>284536442Boku no Pico.
>>284536496
There is nothing that digital cannot do. Digital can do everything traditional painting can do and more, including capture the "cel" feel, which in reality were the result of flaws in production. A lot of old anime had terrible art, there was a lot of samey coloring, and that is directly a result of the process being very expensive and time consuming. It could take hours to finish coloring a cel, in addition to a lot of money to buy that paint. They can finish painting a drawing in minutes now digitally. And there's plenty variation in visual styles they would simply not have been able to pull off before.
>>284536422most anime series' in the 80s and 90s weren't heavily shaded. and most that were were ugly for it. it's cherrypicking bullshit. either its cherrypicking a series or cherrypicking frames in a series.
>>284536516That's exactly the problem "Beautiful"Many people only understand three types of beauty: cool, fun colors, and sexy. And being sexually attention grabbing isn't actually a type of beauty at all, and can in fact actually be quite ugly depending on how it's done
>>284534442Why ask the questions you already know the answer to?
>>284534442Why isn't anime wacky and cartoony anymore?
Honestly I think I like the colors in Onegai Teacher more than most 90s anime, so I can't agree with OP.Too bad modern anime doesn't look like that either.
>>284537118Exactly. The human form is beautiful and should be celebrated through art, the craftsmanship that goes into said art as well obviously.
>>284536538it's retro art Though
>>284536712If this was true threads like this wouldnt exist, yet here we are.
>>284536991All shows that mattered earned sufficient budget for proper shading throughout their run.> heavily shadedModern anime lacks even basic shading in most cases
>>284537163THE CHARACTERS MUST BE STANDARDIZED AND ON MODEL AT ALL TIMES!!!!!
>>284537163How do I get into the Lupin series bros?
>>284537777The same as with anything, production order.
>>284537861All of them worth watching?
>>284538015Cute
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>>284537153>>284538119she was my first waifu
>>284538015>>284538119>>284536655>>284535272why do faggots use this as an excuse to just dump 'sexy' art whenever there is a retro thread? if OP is talking about art why not post example of good art and not just relying on T&A ?
>>284538119new sasami magical girl project when
>>284538227Silence, gay
>>284537906Just watch whatever, it's like Japanese Scooby Doo.
>>284537699The Simpsons was a mistake to all animation.
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>>284537624That being said modern anime can look even better than anime from the 90s, as long as talented people are involved and they are given enough time
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>>284538512is it possible for her to get her own anime series? both VA's are alive I believe.
Because they use real actual light from a real life light source shined on paint actually painted onto cels by people. Faggots will try to gaslight you into thinking modern techniques are just as good, but the truth is it's simply impossible to replicate
>>284538650Based >>284538952Yes, Ryoko's VA is still alive, only one of the girls' VAs that died so far is Mihoshi's Japanese VA
The nostalgia fags fear this webm
>>284535084Ugly people opinion
>>284539475That webm only goes to show that DBZ was more violent than DBS, even GT for as much shit as it get had Vegeta impaled and spitting blood during the Omega Shenron fight
>>284539475?
>>284539475Who fears what? Z mogs the fuck out of Stupor, very much including in this side-by-side.
>>284539371I would also add that cel techniques are not used. Close up you'll notice these lines on cels dividing the shading that are a subtle different shade. When taken with a camera they'll blend the two colors together. Some cuts they'll be visible though, but these don't really exist in modern animation.I also can't whip out my books of frames in so it's an added plus with cels
>>284535270>few shows produced>lots to time invested per>many shows produced now>much less time invested per>average of the mass produced slop is higherLmao. You got that backwards. And you have rose tinted glasses because 9/10 shows today are pure unadulterated slop. Hell one punchman has become it too.
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>>284534442I think a big part of it is the expressiveness you lose when hair stops being a composition of strands and just becomes a colored blob, when faces lose their defined-if-cartoony skeletal structure and every expression starts pulling from preselected style guides.I've been reading doctor slump and it's just a non stop smorgasboard of emotive expressions that have just... been lost to time. Every page has like five completely different 'looks' for character faces, and that's discounting all the off-model gag stuff. Give us our underbites, eyebrows, teeth back
>>284536422anime erufu then.
>>284539780anime erufu now
>>284539710Holy fuck this new cap is aids, keeps saying not required then denying me anyway
>>284539840TLDR give detail (and teef) back
>>284539840>then denying me anywayit is just a tsundere
>>284539829anime elves are one of few things in anime that actually keep evolving though2024 elves are peak
Remember the good hand painted animes?
>>284539840i loved reading that chapter
>>284540002this is a really good example of >>284539671 and how it looks in shots. something about it just gives a distinct look and visual divide
>>284539671
>>284540002>Animesalso fuck those fags who said part 3 was bad, it's pretty good I liked it more than 2 not as much as 1.
>>284538952>is it possible for her to get her own anime series?You'd have to rip the series away from Kajishima first.>both VA's are alive I believeEN and JP, I'm guessing? If so, then yeah. Petrea Burchard was the only reason I bothered checking out Ai Tenchi Muyo. https://youtu.be/vV5IyvI2Q7o
>>284538512>>284538650rape
>>284539436
>>284541719really
>>284538227why not just take yourself back to the actual website you belong to instead of posting on 4chan like the tourist you are
>>284534442Every thread that starts with ''Why'' is worthless might as well ask Chatgpt. Didn't read your thread BTW
>>284541804
>>284534442Mostly the deeper colors, darker shadows and the subtle texture from the paint in the cells.
>>284541804Every once in a while, I look at Washu and remember that fanfic where she rapes Tenchi and secretly raises their son in one of her techno backrooms. He visits him every once and a while and tries to go on living like before, holding on to this huge secret that only he and Washu, his rapist, knows about. It was one of those deconstruction "Akane's the true evil" kinda fics where Tenchi could only find happiness by escaping all of the crazy girls in his life.
>>284539371You are posting digital replicas of painted cells right now, dumbass. You absolutely can do it, studios just choose not to because of cost, lack of experienced artists and changes in popular tastes.
>>284541938
>>284542262Who gives better paizuri?
>>284542317Ryoko probably
>>284542219Old anime fics were fucked man, i remember one that had Ranma becoming paraplegic after getting his spine snapped by Ukyo, getting cucked by Ryoga fucking Akane, and then getting poisoned by Ryoga, all the while Mousse just raped Shampoo and got her to stockholm syndrome herself after a year of daily rape
>>284540002Her butt in the shower scene is so good it's unreal, i want to stick my face there and sniff
>>284542221>They can totally do it they just chose to never do it for 25 years not even once because reasons.Peak midwit
>>284536629Really? A black guy warned me to never watch an anime called boku
>>284535540Finally a return to good aesthetics.
>>284542362I read a fanfic where Ranma got all the girls and Mousse got the two Cat Girls from Dominion Tank police
>>284542221>a photo of a thing is the same as the thing it representsi don't think you should call others dumbasses lmao
>>284538227Don't bother; that's a spammer.
>>284542667As far as "changes in popular tastes" goes, he's not entirely wrong. I remember hearing that one boobie Trigun ripoff was originally supposed to have an older, cel-esque look to it, but producers worried audiences would think the show was a rerun or something and skip it. A lot of people do legitimately write off shows if they look "too old".
>>284543880No, he is wrong because there is no such fucking thing as a "cel-esque" look. It's either cel or it isn't
>>284544001Why are you getting so upset? "Esque" as in resembling, reminiscent. It wouldn't have been 1:1, but I doubt that's what the director would've been going for anyway.
>>284544353There has never in the history of anime been a digital production that could be described and cel-esque and I have no idea why you people parrot that its hypothetically possible. Why?
>>284534853old good new bad wouldnt be so prevalent if it wasnt true with such an extreme amount of things. SOME of it is more of a preferential thing but>technology>new [THING] comes out>its more efficient than the last for sure in power usage>by almost every metric otherwise, save weight usually, its worse to use and sometimes straight up undoes what were solved problems>tv/movee>fuck it we'll just green screen it/send it to indians to cgi instead of going through the trouble of flying to wherever>bidya>UE5>so many high budget games that are intense resource hogs that have no serious justification>mtx>websites>high speed internet great>tons of websites are also obscene intense recourse hogs for no reason and load slow as shit regardless of speedetcetc. It really should be more like "new okay, old better" because most of the time it is 80%+ of the way there but all of the little details and things that made old good, good and are what get you called a sperg for caring about it in the first place, disappear . When, those little things are what often turn something from mediocre to fantastic and required someone to be autistic to make/figure out those things in the first place.I personally dont scathingly hate digital but i find myself not willing to try something out if it doesnt sound /very/ close to something i would enjoy over a random watch of something from the 80s/90s. I do, however, scathingly hate that mediocrity is celebrated and calling out low effort/worse than before shit is handwaved away as "its not that deep bro" by people who couldnt give a fuck either which way, while i watch the things i like and care about get worse year over year.
I see Lum I instantly click.
>>284534442Legendary pic
Gainax was so cool
>>284547971Was it in the Show? Looks like fanart
>>284549165It is official according to gelbooru
>>284543414Do you even understand how video broadcasting works?
>>284534442Better colors, better lighting, better textures, better saturation.
>>284541302Damn brat, showing her pantsu..
>>284549843Not a brat
>>284549540Boobs physics were superior back then. Is there a modern mainstream show with good boobs physics?
>>284550056Don't watch too much of the newer stuff. The only thing that comes to mind is that one clip from my dress up darling.
>>284544477NTA, but stop being retarded and low IQ please. There are anime that tries to look retro intentionally despite being modern. There's one in emission right now and is usually accomplished by hiring one or two veterans who knews how to replicate that artstyle.
>>284550436>replicate that artstyle>Artstyle Why do you faggots always think it's only the style
>>284550484Nobody said that except you. Go back to Twitter with your ragebait engagement farming cocksucker.
>>284551206>Quoting the post>No one said that Are you retarded?
>>284536422So what's bad about this one?
>284551330Rope yourself ragebaiter.
>>284534442Beats me
>>284552686>ai shit looks just as bad as 90% of retroslopSugoi
vgh, we were robbed 90sball bros.What could have been....
I mean I reserve judgment on overall quality or "seasonal ratios" like you fags are bringing up, but what I will say is 2020's digital coloring styles are fucking awful for some reason.This shouldn't be the case since digital allows one to hypothetically use any color or palette that cels were able to utilize, but they just... don't. They release candy pastel looking stuff instead, slathered with bad effects and vaseline too
>>284553861because it appeals to kids more. every anime, even hentai, is meant for kids
>>284553861>candy pastel looking stuff instead, slathered with bad effects and vaseline tooBut enough about Violet Evergarden
>>284553915I mean that's basically what I had in mind so yeah were like of mindfuck that show and its waste of good animation
>>284539436Kiyone is a miracle of the universe.
>>284554511Is this her partner from the story she told? I love dommes.
>>284534442Original Ranma anime had ugly art.
>>284537777Just dip your toes in anywhere, you’ll pick up on everything quick.
>>284555042The Remake isn't much better imo. Movies and OVAs were peak Ranma
>>284555638Meh. I don't like the rounded, dumpy look the characters have and the ultra reflective eyes.
>>284555042I like how it moves and how it’s colored.
>>284556930And I don't like how extra it looks. Rumiko's designs are cute, but the characters in the old anime are proportioned like blow-up dolls.
>>284557109Faggot
>>284544053>>284544199
>>284558194Said the guy attracted to muscle chicks with no ass and plastic tits
>>284534741>retarded on purpose
>>284558206
>>284558255When did I do that?
>>284559356Look around. Most retro girls itt are built like an anorexic gym-goer or thai ladyboy.
>>284534442Survivorship bias. You're watching the stuff that made enough of an impact for people to remember them decades later, in the case of the 80's many of which were movies and OVAs. Go onto whatever seasonal chart list you use and filter for those years. You'll find a lot of those classics, yes, but you'll also see just as much slop TV anime that has been forgotten over the years as well.
>>284556930Why does he have a neck tie?
>>284550056Nope. Most nu animators animate boob bounce with videogame physics. They havent seen how real tits behave, so all their knowledge comes from DoA games
I feel like a lot of newer stuff is saturated with a bunch of shitty effects that wash everything out.
>>284536442Space Runaway Ideon
>>284559515Ok schizo
Is the Mauritanian spamming threads again?
>boob spam every timewhat a garbage thread
>>284559515So what? They're cartoon characters, and the stylisation is what makes them appealing.They've also got enormous eyes and tiny noses, so perhaps your 3DPD obsessed self should start comparing them to grey aliens as well
>>284560016cookie cutter CIA response
>>284561142yeah, I think some of the older digital anime like Onegai Teacher actually has pretty good colors
What's the retro anime artstyle?
>>284564657There are multiple retro anime artstyles.
>>284534442When we get low effort slop these days like "The time I reincarnated in blah blah blah" then it's easy to understand why. You can tell how much effort was put into a bunch of older shows. 2020s anime is definitely different compared to even 2000s or 2010s shows.
>>284560992We live in an era where it's easier than ever to find an infinite number of real tits bouncing compared to back then where you'd be fucking lucky to catch a glimpse. The real problem is tit physics are considered "too noisy" these days so people who actually care about it aren't given the reigns to what they want to do anymore.
>>284565095Is there a list of them?
>>284534442Lots of pre-2000 anime are really bad, people only remember movies and ovas using the 3-tones shading
>>284544477What about these?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzPLGPC-yxohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBs0nI-Wec0>>284550436>There's one in emission right now and is usually accomplished by hiring one or two veterans who knews how to replicate that artstyle.It's really mostly new artists that grew with the old stuff that attempt to replicate actual old anime look. Most old artists, move on to new tools and don't want to get stuck in time. Or use new tools specifically to recreate their old art.
>>284534442>retro art threadnice, i've had a retro art question but never had a place to post it. does anyone else think the art style for the girls in the og ff7 was inspired by golden boy or something similar? not sure about the guys though. is there any retro anime with a more similar art style?
>>284565440>Mobile Suit Gundam U.C. ENGAGE (機動戦士ガンダム U.C. ENGAGE?) is a smartphone game developed and published by Bandai Namco Entertainment. It began service in Japan on November 30, 2021 and updates weekly. Are you serious right now? They just clipped the original show to put in some shitty phone game
>>284565504Those are completely original cutscenes made for the game, not reused clips from the shows.
>>284534442for me its that the animation is done in fluid bursts that gives it a certain feel and weight to it
>>284565504>>284565596https://x.com/HiconManiacs/status/1706814408616468805
>>284565602
>>284565302is this close enough?
>>284558413>zoomer revisionism
>>284534442Because they were drawn and painted onto tens of thousands of cels by human hands. Anime used to be an art form which happened to develop a market and sold *because* it was good… Now, it sells because it is anime, and because it was made to be sold. Sadly, many of the people who did this sort of cel art are either dead or no longer in business, so it’s questionable if the knowledge of how to make anime has fully survived. The medium may be dead at this point.
>>284565440These look nothing like this.https://youtu.be/eb6xufyrkjE?si=NTOSc7WC-gtlH-Vu
>>284534682Shut the fuck up you pedantic autistic fuck. Look at op's image, you know exactly what he's referring to. The best animation produced today can't hold a candle to the absolute wizardry animators were able to pull of with cell animation back in the day. You want to know why? Cost.Animation today is literally cheaper in terms of money, time, and effort...AND IT SHOWS.Animation today is a shadow of it's former self.
>>284566085The first one was trying to look like a (better) version of the original show, not that movie.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX_7_8mP3oIBut, yeah, the 2nd one is trying to look like Char's Counter Attack movie. I do think the general "80s" aesthetics are there, although it's clearly not Tomino's direction.
>>284550436>There's one in emission right nowwhich one?
>>284566625Probably this:>>284536422
>>284538227Nostalgiafags aren't any different from the rest of /a/ in that being able to jerk off to the female character designs is the most important thing.
>>284566231>moneyCompanies spend way more on producing anime now than they ever did in the 80s and 90s, though who the fuck knows what it's actually being spent on.
>>284567161I understand that's what a lot of people like but it just feels so shallow. I only like x because nipples or some bullshit. Nudity can be art but not all nudity is art. I would've liked to see some examples of hanken or cool animation. The project Eden op has a lot of nudity but it's not projected the same way a tantalizing scene would be.
>>284565925I will concede cel animation has more soul and generally will look better with the right budget but most anime pre-digital can and does look like shit as with most anime today. Don't pretend that's not the case.
>>284567635ur dumbinflation might accounts for the numerical value going up, but the cost of good cell animation is SO much higher than computer animation. Also, money is not the only metric. Time, effort, skill; and each of these can be expounded on. I mean, the whole REASON we use computer is become it's easier and faster - not because it looks better. An animator needed so much more time to acquire the skills needed to create good work than animators do today. There's simply no comparison.
>>284566326Not to nitpick at you but that doesnt look like the show did either, particularly when in motion.https://youtube.com/watch?v=UpkEO55-Hww
>>284562026The original stylization from the manga was what made Ranma girls appealing. They are supposed to look softer, and the original creator's coloring looks totally different from the garish, satured, yellowish colors in the original anime. If you look up the manga covers, the colors are more washed out and colder, i.e. they're more like the remake. Many of those much praised older anime don't respect the source material compared to the remakes, so why exactly should I respect them? And the girls are often ugly. They have weird bodies, hair, faces.
>>284539992Deedlit is Not from 1986, at least not with that design.
>>284545543Aight bro go jack off to your cave paintings since everything just keeps getting worse. Don’t even bother watching anime cell shading is way too technically advanced and complex it was way better when we just used our imaginations and didn’t even have language to communicate these concepts.
>>284539992for me it's 2016yes, the boy
Why do Cells feel more Warm?
90s anime was pure SOVL
Why haven't someone with Autism make new Cel based OVAs
>>284568330The chief reason it's so expensive now is because many of the old suppliers went out of business due to their biggest customers switching to computer coloring.
There should really be three eras referenced in /a/ not two. Especially considering /a/ itself has lived through one of the transitions. >celThe old stuff is analog. You draw with pencil and paper, we skip some steps I'm not going to enumerate, and ultimately backgrounds/cels/effects are composited in camera: you take photographs of them. >low digital00's anime until around the later 10's. When anime was still done on paper but digitally composited. >high digitalCurrent anime. Pencil and Paper is a tiny vestigial niche. Anime's almost totally transitioned to digital drawing with digital assistance in the actual keyframe drawing processes. It's no longer just finished/composited in a computer. The analog/digital divide being the only divide is outdated, as is some of /a/'s "common knowledge" about how anime is totally just drawn the same as it ever was.
>>284534442it isn't. lol. This kind of bait is 9 times out of 10 just retarded oldnigger faggotry excuse to shit on newer stuff
To be honest I find doing art digitally more difficult than just picking up a pen and paper.
>>284569344>same as it ever was
They are physical objects that exist
>>284565602Source?
>>284565921anime peaked hereMadoka and Apple are pure sexAsuka is perfect wife material
>>284536496You can only choose one, which do you take.
