I hate this smug ugly blonde stupid bitch that gets spammed by aesthetic posters who don't even watch this mid ass ova meant to be just an ad into some shitty throwaway manga by an artist who draws women that look like retarded Barbie dolls while being animated worst than most TV anime. She's barely in the goddamn thing too I wannabe retrofags who only care about the cute girls but they don't even pick the good ones and make big deal about Laserdiscs or VHS which are bad formats but mah aesthetic!!! They talk about stuff being underrated but it's the same five things being spammed. FUCK THIS STUPID CUNT!
>retrofags have shit tasteYea we know. It's literally all zoomer larp doing the whole old good new bad retro aesthetic bullshit. All performative.
>normalfags don't watch animebreaking news here
>>284538545Sometimes you find gold among the dregs.
>>284538586I love retro anime and I own some of it even some on VHS (just cause I found it for cheap) but I hate the culture around it and the people who talk with whole ironic shit or the everything was good (lot of old anime is shit) around it like kenny lauderdale can go shoot himself.
"Old Bad/New Good" is the new trend here it seems, uh?
OP is a faggot.
>>284538658No good anime good bad anime badyears don't matter. When it comes to retro anime for every Street Fighter 2 The Movie there's like 5 Vampire Wars which is so boring not even the funny bad dub can save it.great line though.https://youtu.be/aXhOGLMZQkg?si=yhGKreWIaCp0rhcL&t=57
>>284538658Anons who shit on everything pre-2000s miss out on lots of kino
>>284538657It's unironically the fault of tiktok and xitter making retro shit their whole personality. It's a whole subculture of cancer on the internet that doesn't actually interact with the medium.
>>284538658No old anime has ever done magic as cool as Frieren or Mushoko Tensei. Jujutsu Kaisen's last season had some of the best fight scenes ever. There's plenty to love out of new anime regardless of how bitter the board has gotten.
>>284538678Sorry you like to jerk off to Pearl from Steven Universe with a shitty haircut.
>>284538658>>284538704801 T.T.S Airbats was good, underrated OVA, I liked Dirty Pair Flash as well, but I can see why fans of the 80s OVAs won't like it
>>284538723
As much as people hate him back then, Bennett was right about one thing lot of those old OVAs were throwaway dogshit like yeah people were a little bit too hard on anime back then and wanted shit to be accepted by normie for some retarded reasons and were prudes to fanservice but like the one thing that true most those OVAs that got put out in the 90's in the US sucked balls.
>>284538704People shit on early to mid 2000's era anime the most out of any era even though it's the most underrated, it's a bit rough but that's the charm.
>>284538777Even the shittiest lowest quality 50 minute 1 episode throw away OVA has more soul than whatever crap they're churning out right now>but check out this le digitally animated epic fite between gay cuck nigger and faggot obese jew
>>284538847I didn't say new was much better, it's just lot of that old shit also isn't worth watching. I'm a baby needing keys in my face pretty colors mean nothing to me if the actual stories and characters are dogshit which both can suck.
>>284538774Dispute either claim. The Elusive Samurai had some of the most stylish and creative action direction ever.>>284538841The issue there is that a ton of them were just straight up uneventful and boring because the rock bottom budgets meant that they couldn't afford to animate anything interesting more than once a season. Its hard to call them bad, because many had interesting ideas, but a ton were just boring in a way that wasn't often seen in other eras.
>>284538847>tfw you're too much of a /pol/ tard to like your hobby
>>284538916It was the last truly experimental time in TV anime before everything be standardize again some exceptions aside.
>>284538916>Le spinning room is stylish and creative
>>2845389871998 to like 2005 was the peak of TV anime.
>>284538704>>284538746
>>284538916>uneventful and boring As if the ten gorillion shitty fantasy series and Isekai LN adaptations are better, "I became my little sister's living buttplug in fantasy land is so fucking good bro you just don't understand"
>>284538916Nta but I think there's plenty of well choreographed anime across the years. It's hard to rate them but things like Naruto, Mob Psycho, Sword of Stranger, AoT definitely stand up to JJK. No one is going to try and dispute your claims though because they unironically can't. Animation quality and choreography in modern shows, when actually cared for and produced right, blow older pre digital shows out of the water. Honestly I think the biggest upcoming studio will be Science Saru. DMCB, Dandadan, Sanda, all have a unique animation style and nail the art work perfectly.
>>284538657>I love ___ but I hate the performative culture around itsame as it ever was
>>284539033>gay cuck nigger and faggot obese jew>crying about modernity being badClearly you're straight out of /an/, right?
>>284539059I like the rough looseness of anime in that era like they're animating sketches sometimes which you got some in the 80's/90's but 00's it was common, anime these days is too on model and perfect, I hate overly clean and pretty shit it's boring. I would say it last till the mid 2010's.
>>284539097Being rote isn't the same as having nothing happen.
>>284539175>Animation quality and choreography in modern shows, when actually cared for and produced right, blow older pre digital shows out of the water.
>>284538545Sooo Manga translations?
>>284539175>Animation quality and choreography in modern shows, when actually cared for and produced right, blow older pre digital shows out of the waterImagine unironically thinking this when a random 80s OVA does this
>>284539226>crying about modernity being bad>being a gay nigger cuck is le good
>>284538704Here's another ad, but with Shin Cutie Honey
>>284539307I see this example used a lot which is retarded because there's almost no actual animation going on here and is mostly just stills. It doesn't matter though because retroniggers have their heads up their asses.
>>284539307That's more detailed drawings than actual animation, there's only like 19 shots there and it's all static besides one thing moving. Which lot of these OVAs would hide their lack of actual moment by detailed art and good direction. Anime biggest problem nowadays is it's poorly directed lot of the time.
Cel animation? More like SOVL animation.
>>284539392Detailed art with lots of animation actually not that common back then but Riding Bean a good one that comes to mind.https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/167852rewatched this with my dad other day, he liked it.
>>284539307That is not heavily animated. Those are still paintings with a very small amount of movement. Not much different from a talking head with just lips flapping. Also are you actually trying to pretend that MADOX was a 'random ova' when it had Shinji Aramaki and Hiroaki Goda on its staff? That is like pretending that Castle of Caligostro was a 'random film', as though no one has heard of Hayao Miyazaki. Wow, look at this unknown OVA directed by little known sci-fi writer Shirow Masamune!
>>284538545>look at me and my contrarian views, shit taste and blatant homosexuality
>>284539344>This doesn't count because it just doesn't okay???
>>284538545Gay and autistic
>>284538545she is hot, shut up faggot
>>284538916>webmI seriously don't get what you fags see on this scene.Feel like modern animefags value more animation quality over what is actually being animated.You'd praise a 30 minute long scene of someone taking a shit if it was animated with spinning cameras.
I enjoy cute girls
All this talk about anime moment made me remember I watched that new Looney Tunes movie and it feels like fucking whiplash after watching so much new and old anime for so long, made me realize how little anime actually is animated. https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/294923I'm not a /co/fag most /co/ stuff sucks but man full animation really tops it all.
>>284538545I watched it literally just for her and the OVA was godawful. The entire experience was just painful.
>>284539326Are you naturally this tiresome or is it something you've worked for?
>>284539083>>284539328
>>284538545She looks good!
>>284539490You're disingenuous at best and retarded at worst. Both examples you posted aren't heavily animated at all and loaded with stills. Are they detailed? Yes because they're mainly comprised of single drawings being on screen for multiple frames. It's ok to not know what you're talking about, but you're coming off as exactly what the OP was complaining about. A retarded and ignorant zoomer.
>>284539552>what is actually being animated.A great scene of a man losing blood and consciousness and starting to have his vision fade and hallucinate?Something communicated very well by the distorted and surreal animation happening?
>>284539552I don't think you realize how hard maintaining a perfect perspective like that is in animation. Nta nor have I watched the show but that webM is actually pretty impressive.
>>284538987Why is Osaka standing in the middle of the road?
>>284539590Nagai has too many forgotten and underrated waifu. No one care about poor Mephisto Dance who was very lewd.
>>284539585The West has always had more money to throw at animation than Japan. They've just had an issue of shit taste for decades preventing them from making basic shows like, "cool man kills big monsters with swords", that would get them millions of viewers. Primal ever being made was a crazy mercy. That there's no American Naruto or Bleach is pure insanity.
>>284538704I love old magazine ads. ADV in particular always had good ones.
>>284539474>>284539508>>284539533>>284539596>Doesn't watch the anime>Thinks popcorn haircut and bad eye make up is hot
>>284539633>a man slowly dying mid fight>let's communicate this with LE WACKY CARTOON EFFECTS>>284539659>how hardWhy should the viewer care how hard it is to do something? What is important is the result, and the result looks stupid. You'd be praising 30 minutes of a perfectly animated shitting because it's hard to animate.
>>284538916If you "draw" the room with fisheye lens distortion you have to draw the characters with the same distortion. So every cut which is using that effect on the background looks wonky even in realtime because the characters don't look like they were "filmed" with the same camera. There's a good amount of effort put into the timing which is almost always what's wrong with modern 3d background, 2d cel anime I'll give it that. Those errors are there but only if you're a fag stepping through it frame by frame.
>>284539471> 'random ova' when it had Shinji Aramaki and Hiroaki Goda on its staffBecause the industry at the time mostly had the same few people? I'd be hard pressed to find even a single OVA that has only nobodies attached to itBesides, it's not as if in 86' Shirow's name carried the same weight as nowadays
>>284539696>strawmanWe're discussing animation quality though. The content you enjoy is subjective, animation quality is not. I'm not sure why you're so pressed over it, but you should get over yourself
>>284539673Anime with US budgets look great, see any 80's cartoon basically but yeah also anime detailed artstyles don't help, simpler the art easier to animate, it's why Panty and Stocking they actually have character animation when they talk unlike most anime.
>>284539608>I like modern goyslop and can't understand kinoJust admit you have bad taste it's not hard, it's okay to enjoy literal shit churned out my commitee sometimes
>>284539684>Doesn't get any pussy>Thinks typical 80s haircut and eye make up arent hotY O U A R E G A Y
>>284539471It definetely has more stills than the piece of crap anime was posted there >>284538916that's for sure
>>284539733US budgets with Japanese animators might be my favorite form of 2D animation, it's a perfect mix of both ways of animating, not too many frames like some use stuff does where it becomes uncanny but not too little like some anime. https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/62346
>>284539670Yeah
>>284539696Yeah, you'd use effects like that because the constrast between his panic, his delusions, and what those delusions are, heightens the effect. It goes from a laughing child to an almost grotesque image.
I'm repurposing this gay ass thread to post retro anime sakuga
>>284539746>Typical 80's haircutIt's not drawn how it looks.
>>284539727>We're discussing animation qualityAre we? I don't see that in the OP or the post I was responding to. I see talk about subjective shit like "stylish" and "creative".It can't be stylish if it looks retarded.
>>284539739>talking about 'committees' when he posts a literal toy commercial
fake retrofags, real retrofags know lot of old stuff is shit and don't just blindly jerk off old anime, they analyze it and judge it based on it's qualities.
>>284539815It makes a man's death look silly and goofy instead of dramatic.>grotesquelol.
>>284539842Tell me then, in your opinion, how this is superior >>284539822 ?
>>284539822Post something modern (better) instead.
>>284539842I was talking more about writing, most anime writing is shit compared to books, TV, Film and other things honestly though. That OVA in my post is poorly written.
>>284538841Lots and lots of experimental anime during that era. We barely if ever get any of those anymore.
>>284539868>Ecchi 80s Mecha OVA>Toy commercialI'd buy a Zeorymer figure, but i seriously doubt that was the intent
>>284539882>how this is superiorOk>looks great visually, with great coloring, contrast, and expressions>no random spinning cameras for the sake of it, no shaky camera>all that bits that need to be animated look good>>284539870The stuff posted these days is already the stuff that was filtered and found to be good.
>>284538545i only know her from thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv7DHrFXrJk&list=RDvv7DHrFXrJk
>>284539911Direction and writing matter more than animation imo.>>284539906This is well animated but the direction could be better.>>284539822Same with this, the framing even more bland here.
>>284539911>Deflects because he has no real argument
>>284539911writing only got worse over time
>>284539959People will watch this act like they like a character and never actually watch the fucking thing.I hate it here, the band t-shirts I don't listen to of anime are these kind of videos.
>>284539911>I became a Jew in isekai land and fucked a loli has good writing though
>>284539906A lot of modern animation that /a/ posts saying it looks good (and aren't obviously trolling like solo levelling "fans") always looks like it's trying to hard>look we can move the "camera" a lot>look at all the spinning, aren't you in aweAll the camera movement feels purposeless.Maybe it's because it's new tech or new animators. In 10 years I be we'll go back to having camera movement that is purposeful once animators get over this trend.
>>284539739There it is. Genuine inability to engage on any sort of discussion because you're closed minded and think I'm nothing but black and white. Only sweeping statements and ideas. You still have not shown a single example of good animation. All you've done is come here and seethe at an invisible boogyman and try to cram in as many buzzwords as possible in a pathetic attempt to "win" an argument you never made a case for to begin with. Don't bother replying I'm exhausted from dealing with you twitter toddlers.
>>284539875Why should the death itself be dramatic? Are you going to pretend to be offended that an anime doesn't 'respect the sanctity of death' here?
>>284540030DID I SAY NEW WAS BETTER? I'M NOT SAYING NEW IS BETTER THAN OLD I'M SAYING BOTH HAVE THEIR PROBLEMS AND I'M TIRED OF PEOPLE ACTING LIKE OLD ANIME IS PERFECT AS SOMEONE WHO GOT INTO ANIME WITH RETRO SHIT I KNOW THAT'S NOT TRUE!
>>284540049>I have no argument and i'm just seething because i know that i'm in the wrongThanks for admitting it though
>>284539911>most anime writing is shit compared to books, TV, Film and other things honestly thoughWhat a faggot fucking opinion. Just vague references as though people are just supposed to respect fucking Pedowood shit because it was filmed on a set instead of drawn. Find me another bildungsroman as good as FLCL, jackass.
>>284540055Old anime isn't perfect, but it's much better than new crap and that shouldn't even be up for discussion
>>284540053You're the one that said it was a great scene that depicted something well. I'm saying it doesn't depict it well at all.
>>284539587Tourist behavior
>>284540053It just looks bad, confusing and it's not that dynamic if you actually look at the stills, it just gives you the illusion because looking at it gives you motion sickness
>>284540113>here's my minority opinion, you can tell it's an opinion because I present it as a factI have newfag fatigue
>>284540113It was not better at all. You don't watch anything new and modern and just want to bitch and moan about how the world is ending and latch onto anything in the past you can find.
>>284540102Japanese people aren't great writers compared to westerners, it comes to the fact they're very closed off people and in reflects in their writing.
>>284540113I say it's all pretty mixed, we're tired of you fake retrofags pretending to be the people who actually watch this shit as teens/kids. It's like you're ashamed of your own era of anime for some fucking reason, like be proud, it's your shit.>>284540128Did you actually watch it? the only good thing about that OVA was the song.
>>284540158>webmIs this a one off thing? I thought this was some sort of crude comedy show. Never bothered to watch because japs aren't funny.
>>284540120Your dispute was that it wasn't 'dramatic' enough when the intent wasn't drama for the death itself but to depict how surreal and mentally stressed the man was in the scene. It does that with aplomb. The animation conveys his hallucinatory panic extremely well.>>284540142Why would you look at stills to determine whether something is well animated?If you want pretty stills, read a manga.
>>284540154It is a fact, though
>>284540246>almost all stills and after effectsAt least the ship pealing looks good I guess
>>284540185it's more that they consume slop and then when its time to put their thoughts on paper only slop comes up. with a lot of older media authors were familiar with a lot more than pop culture junk and were more likely to have read and seen quality stuff. if not for their own taste then just by the fact there wasnt easy money around to throw at production and import of crap
>>284540185When was the last time you read something written by a Jap that didn't have pictures in it?
>>284538545Fuck you man, Desert Rose is a good manga
Anyways fake retrofags are gay, there's good stuff still out there for anything you just to look and discussion culture sucks.
>>284540312Well if that the case, the anime didn't do it justice.
>>284540312More like Desert ASS.
>>284538545
>>284540505I would drink her diahrea dump if you know what I mean
>>284540276It's much more dynamic than the modern crap that was posted, though
>>284539906>>284539966There's no impact whatsoever. You can't seriously suggest this is more than functional.
>>284540686I don't think you know what the word dynamic means. All the shots in your webm were static there was nothing dynamic about them. They didn't have digital animation like we do today so there's hardly any camera rotation in older things. Instead they focus on wide shots/zoom ins with flashing lights and heavy motion on 1 object. It must have been easier to animate the ship rotating than to try and move perspective at all.
>>284540780Post something with impact. You lose 100 points if it does that 'camera shake' effect.
>>284540808>Inane Buzzwords to justify inexpressive soulless modern goyslop
>>284540822Show me one buzzword in my post. You're the one who can't stop seething and using phrases like "soulless" and "goyslop" because your vocabulary is limited to whatever you've read on this website.
>>284540861The entire post is a buzzword because you have no argument against kino that everybody can physically see it's good
>>284540816Camera shake doesn't invalidate anything, there should just be other aspects of direction and movement alongside it.
>>284540897Are they fighting underwater?
>>284540890You've been presented with a multitude of arguments across the whole thread by multiple people, and every time you just deflect and get angry. You've not once actually interacted with any criticism and have only repeated how much you love boomer cock and how bad new anime is without ever actually validating either point.
>>284540927The Frieren clip does slow motion too except to give her time to yap instead of selling any weight.
>>284540927Why do you think Ippo needs all that oxygen?
>>284540962I have no need to discuss something seriously when it's rather obvious you're arguing in bad faith
I just can't love anime that uses object gradients.
>>284540989Slow motion for impact or to allow for insert dialog is different than slow motion during the swings. It makes it look awkwardly slow instead of like adrenaline rush perception in the middle of an intense fight.
>>284541096>20 second clip has more animation than all the mecha space slop in this thread combined Oh no no no... boomerbros... we lost...
>>284540822>>284540890You just come off as a giant moron who doesn't understand the words you use and can only talk through 4chan memespeak. >>284541019Big Mara of course. Its all for his other head.
>>284541096It's different in a way that defeats the purpose as an example of good animation. >awkwardThat doesn't mean anything. Just admit it's your personal preference and nothing more.
All I'm noticing is that the retarded nihilistic retrofag keeps using videos that's been circulating on xitter for a while now. I truly wonder how much of the retro stuff he's actually seen.
>>284541096>character barely moves in space>Camera spins, shakes and zooms>backgrounds smear or rotate>silhouettes collapseIs this the best that modern animation can offer? Most of the energy here seems comes from camera rotation and effects rather than the character’s movement, it's lazy slop
>>284541200>Xitter out of nowhereWhy don't you go back there then?
>>284541200In overseas internet slang, this is called a truthnuke. or a truth nuclear bomb.
>>284541394>Samefagging this hard
>>284538545Laserdisks are godly, though
>>284538545Thanks for this thread, OP. It's like a comprehensible little guide on why those self-proclaimed "retrofags" are so insufferable.
>>284541525>Samefagging this hard
>>284538658old bad, new bad, only the shit i watched in my childhood was good
>>284538658Yeah, Zoomies/Gen Alpha moved in and killed this board once and for allOld Good, New Bad was a constant since the very beginning and now it's dead
>>284539696>a man slowly dying mid fight>let's communicate this with LE WACKY CARTOON EFFECTSYes, you perfectly summed up the tone and charm of Nige Jouzu no Wakagimi, and the studio has masterfully translated it to anime with far more impact than Matsui's relatively stiff manga
>>284541096>literally one frame between before a kick and hitting the wall at least in old anime they put budget into extra frames for cool moments
>>284538704>>284539328
>>284539812>>284541742
>>284538723let's guess who this is: The moronic Canadian poster who spams shitty boards like /s4s/ or swn, the kyoanus queer. I say this is the Canadian.
>>284541770Even anime butts were better back then, today they have no substance
>>284541200Here you go, this is just completed, might missed a few screengrapping too.
>>284541841
>>284541557I've never seen Utena but I do like this amv.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tREl1n99RyQ
>>284541623You're likely a zoomer complaining about zoomers, pretending to be an really oldfag.
>>284541872
>>284541940https://youtu.be/Cwf-DvQ-qoIThis guy made the best old anime AMVs, but his channel got purged a lot due to copyright claims unfortunately
>>284542007>Headcanon to justify being a tasteless faggot
>>284542052Here a channel I found of a guy saving old amvs.https://www.youtube.com/@LethophobesAmvNostalgia/videos
>>284538545Hey fuck you buddy Irene is a hottie.
>>284541810I'm so American my piss tastes like Coca-Cola. I just know good animation when I see it.
>>284542347Woah... That combat, it's just like a videogame! Holy kinography sakuga is SAVED
>>284542347This just looks objectively bad, though
>>284538658>new
>>284542377Yeah, it would look a lot better if it was all stills and pans.The problem with this generation is that they don't realize that you're not actually supposed to animate anything when you make an anime.
>>284542993>being this much of a newfag
>>284538723You can always try to post something to prove your point.
>>284538545I actually liked Desert Rose
>>284542932>I'm sure to win because my speed is superior
>>284542932is he aghost
>>284538545Whiner
>>284538545you couldnt have just said you were homosexual instead of writing all that?
>>284541096I always get filtered by these fights with how the characters do not blend in with the environment / background that wellThat's one of my biggest hangups with the digital art, not that it looks bad but perhaps I'm too trained on the older stuff
>>284538545I watched some vibes song and I genuinely thought this chick was the main character.
>>284539608> anything that doesnt look like le one piece nigga luffy cartoony flash bang or frieren light show webm isnt animation
>>284539590>horny chadette steals boy from becky.png
>>284538545She gets spammed? I think you should take your meds zoomer nigger, also old anime >>>> new anime and there's nothing you can do about it notmalnigger.
>>284538545>Laserdiscs or VHS which are bad formats
>>284538545jesus christ, take it easy, you fucking bitter whore
>>284538916>have to see people be contrarian about this scene until the end of time>the series isn't even that popular, just this specific scene
>>284541096>>284539906nigga... this shit is ass
>>284539552>hurr durr why do people praise high technical skill???/a/ gets dumber every year.
>>284538545I watched this when it got proper subbed release, about 10 years before it got popular with kids. Off my lawn, retard.
>>284538723>Fight scenesThis is all zoomers car about nowadays
>>284538545>make big deal about Laserdiscs or VHS which are bad formats but mah aestheticthe pic you posted is from a rip of R2J DVD remastered release. Which is the best thing unless there is a remastered Blu-ray.There's stuff you don't know about, I guess.
>>284538723every single on of this le epic anime fights that get posted has that "people run around 2-3 miles over the battlefield" memeIt looks so dumb when you see it for the 17th time. The Frieren one with dragon is particularly ass because Stark looks so goofy when doing it in the scene
>>284539812Were pussy?
>>284541278>Is this the best that modern animation can offer?Nah, that's TV budget animation.
>>284538916S-SHE'S FAST
>>284539307btw if anyone watches Madox based off this webm and think it will be a slow, thoughtful piece about the nature between man and machine, well you're in for a surprise
>>284544858They are bad formats by today standards on a tech level though, there's appeal if you grew up with them but quality worst, you can't doubt that.
>>284545069I know it's from a DVD, I was just say you don't need to take everything literally.
>>284539906I thought Frieren was about an old elf lamenting the losses of her previous world because she's immortal and everyone she knows will die o algo
>>284543256Basically, yes.
>>284545544>>284545579>>284545601Wow you're so cool posting all this slop.
>>284545544>>284545579>>284545601Based.
>>284544895The show was full of top tier stylish animation.
>>284545125No, modern animation fans also love attention to detail. How the hair and skin pulls with the sword here is outstanding.
>>284545027>>284546058Sorry, meant for.
>>284540505this is now a desert punk thread
>>284539678ADV also had the best trailer IMO, where they played clips with either the OP or the ED as the background music
>>284542010
>>284546015I know. I greatly enjoyed everything that wasn't a horse scene. (Except for the very end of the Kojiro vs fatty fight)
>>284538545Shit taste. She cute.
>>284546264Sheep.
