>great plot>deep themes>decent characters >strong psychological writing>yet people hated it because "muh rotoscoping"Why are anime fans so mentally fragile? This is exactly why we get 10 slopsekai shows every season.
>still pretending to like this trash adaptation ironically
>it has a really good story but looks like shitYea that's the problem. If you're going to adapt someone as great as Oshimi, then stay on model. He's literally known for his bewitching female characters and instead his adaptation got an ugly nigger
>>284558863It's based on a manga, which means every positive you listed was from the source material, and only the negative is from the anime.Now... Why would I watch it, instead of reading it?
>>284558863i genuinely believe the rotoscoping helpedthe characters don't look bad in the manga but they look too cute, the anime had a creepier vibe because of the rotoscoping, the soundtrack is great and the pacing is also slower in a way that helpsi admit there were some scenes where it didn't work well though, but i wouldn't change it
>>284558863People didn't hate it because of rotoscoping. People hated it because it was incredibly shit rotoscoping. Nowadays 100% of people would call it AI slop because of how terribly off model and blurred everything was.
Rotoscoping has inherent weaknesses and doing an entire feature film or worse yet a fucking television show exclusively rotoscoping where you have no possible time to clean it up leads to predictably bad results.
>>284558924The anime was pretty meta and wanted to show how this series would look like with non-moe charactersCSM traced this
>>284558863>great plot>deep themes>decent characters >strong psychological writingNothing of this has anything to do with this anime, because it's all comes from manga.>yet people hated it because "muh rotoscoping"That's the only thing that belong to this anime, and it looks like shit, both as live action, and as rotoscoped animation.
>>284559158Oh yeah, also this>just use photoshop filter bro
Meh. Great soundtrack, stops before all the cool shit so it's also incomplete as well as ugly. I'd read the manga for the 10th time before watching it.
Rotoscoping can be good IF it's used as a basis and then brushed up by actual artists. The issue was, there wasn't a single artist working on Aku no Hana anime adaptation, only failed hacks who thought too highly of themselves.
>>284558863She looks prettier irlAnimation is supposed to be an improvement
>>284558863Anime is a visual medium. If it looks like shit then it's unwatchable.
>>284559330i sincerely doubt that most of the anons complaining about the rotoscoping when this aired had even heard of the manga beforehand.In any case, I liked it, and I think the "ugliness" of the characters actually improved it for me. It felt very fitting for the story, like it was a reflection of the imperfections in their hearts..high school stories typically depict everyone as visually flawless beauties. even characters that we're told are average or homely typically still look incredibly cute.it was incredibly refreshing to see something so different, and I'm a little sad that so many of you guys don't appreciate that.
Not an anime.
>>284558863>great plotlmaoI liked the show because despite the art it had a really good atmosphere, but it's bizarre to call the plot great.
>>284559572>i sincerely doubt that most of the anons complaining about the rotoscoping when this aired had even heard of the manga beforehandThis isn't true at all. Sure the infamy attracted a lot of tourists but the manga was well known here.
>>284559572Ugliness = shit. Except Wario.Disappear.
>>284559750It's not even just ugly. It's completely unfitting the middle school setting. The actors maybe looked the part for the second half.
>>284558863>make something look ugly on purpose for no reason>people don't like itwhat a crazy concept. why don't they see the artistic merit of my poop selfies?
It just looks wrong It's too true to life for the lack of details and shading The options are either to take way longer and put in way more work to make it more detailed and realistically shaded, or to take what's there and make it more simplistic and stylized They did neither, so it looks bad
>>284559419This. At this point I'd just prefer it in live-action which it did get as an adaptation last I recall.
>>284558863It was more of a "my 5fps/s" problem.
The argument that "they're ugly because it's realistic" or some variant of that falls apart when you see the behind the scenes footage. In the end it's just a bad application of rotoscoping, and the flat coloring didn't help.
>>284559572Aku no Hana was one of the most well known manga without an adaptation on /a/.
>>284560338This. It could've worked if they had captured the actors' likenesses better. That potato face bullshit in the OP is not a realistic depiction of anything.
>>284558863Do you think the writing is telepathically transported to my brain? I have to look at the events written which is impossible when it's uncanny
>>284559419>She looks prettier irlshe looks ugly
>>284558863wow, they somehow made 2D worse than 3D
>>284561136You missed the point.
>>284558863I miss that storytime so much, that one and Junji Ito's that lasted almost the whole year, but OP messed it up with the timing and didn't finish the storytime on Halloween. Actually, it ended 2 or 3 days earlier.Anyway… I remember that in the last Aku no Hana thread I came up with a theory that the ending is actually a bad ending, in the sense that it’s a bad outcome for the protagonist, he ends up empty and unable to fulfill his true desires
>>284558863The problem people have with it isn't the rotoscoping. The problem is that it's ugly.
An Oshimi story without Oshimi's AGP pervert fetishes baked into every image has no reason to exist
>>284558863So the top version is my attempt at polishing, adding highlights, trying to restore some of the girl's features that were lost, and touching up a couple sections... but near the end of that I had a revelation, what if you just gave her lips a different tone?
>>284558863>>yet people hated it because "muh rotoscoping"Why not just make a movie then? I don't understand...
>>284558863A work of a Visual medium is hated for its bad visuals!?
>>284558863>Visual Medium's Visuals are badThat's like getting angry people don't like music because it sounds bad.
>>284563744>Adds a nose and ugly wrinklesWhyWhy do white people keep doing this
>>284561583The good part about the last daily (which I assume you refer to) was the CIA spoiler posts that managed to analyze it a bit. And Sawa hornyposting, of course.
>>284559210True, but you can also rotoscope absolute kino. Fucking love me some Dudes of Hazmat
>>284558917>He's literally known for his bewitching female charactersThis, Nakamura had imagery as a succubus. It's also a story about troubled youth, understanding yourself through your pervertions and projections to others, sexual attraction and frustration plays a big part in it. Looking ugly on purpose was never the point. They wanted to have an easy time capturing Oshimi's panels focused on facial expressions but even that comletely failed.
>>284558863> he fell for the AKU NO HANA IS SO BAD memeNormalfag has been filtered.
Nakamura was so sexy in the manga that no, the anime was not ok
>>284558863>>284559158the problem is that she was supposed to be canonically kind of uglyand I guess everyone else too
>>284568634So why the MC blush when he sees her see through clothes? He was obviously horny for her.
>>284568649when you're a beta male any kind of exposure to women will get you going
>>284558863>>great plot>>deep themes>>decent characters>>strong psychological writinglol
>>284558863Consumers who demand to be fed the familiar shit for the thousandth time can never appreciate how much passion is in Aku no Hana, from Mariko Goto and Noko singing opening verses, to the walking scene that exists because it should exist. Their ignorant opinions on the question are irrelevant.
I love Japanese girls so much it hurts.
Seriously what the fuck is wrong with Shuzo Oshimi?
>>284558863Anime fans only watch anime to ship the characters.
>>284558863They should have just made a live-action show if they were already going to film the whole thing.
>>284558863I liked the rotoscoping i fucking hate they don't draw the details in for the lips and nose. It makes it looks fucking retarded.
>visual medium>the visuals suck
Do nips just hate seeing visually accurate representation of their own kind?
Why does Japan have such weird power lines? Looks like a spider's web.
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>>284566237I was experimenting to see if bringing back some of her features would bring back the cuteness that was lost from the rotoscope.
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>>284569639Old infrastructure which still works so there's no point changing it.They can't put cables underground because earthquakes and because it would cost shitload of money for no real benefit.
>>284569639Even the Japanese don't like it
>>284568634No she's not. She's only supposed to be a weirdo. Sawa looks like Aya and Aya was one of the school beauties.
>>284569928And even then, did they uglify her live action actress? no they didn't lol
>>284570022I am probably missing your point.
Why even rotoscope if they were going for photorealistic. Just...do a live action movie. Rotoscoping works if you're using the irl model as the 'skeleton' of what you're animating. Basically an obsolete form of motion capture.
>>284558863If they wanted to make a live action movie they could have just done that, what they did looks ass
>>284570146The point being only the anime makes her out to be ugly. The live action movie actress isn't bad looking at all
>>284570171You seem more obsessed with looks than a teenage girl who learn everything from magazines.
>>284558863Ugly ass rotoscoping pseudo live action aids because the hack director couldn't make it in the film industry. Nobody actually liked this.
>>284570171Oh yeah the rotoscoped product is uglier in the end I agree. But Sawa was never supposed to be ugly in the work. If anything it's the opposite.
>>284570208a JC/JK lover kinda has to be
>>284558863Its shit on every aspect you said
>>284561583My theory is that he broke up with the other girl (even though she's technically perfect for him, but boring) and went back to chasing after Sawa which will make him miserable in the long run.
>>284569587>local retard confused that people want anime to look like anime
>>284558863>watch an animated medium where animation is the whole point>the animation is shit>woooooooow whats your problem?There's no reason for a shit adaptation to exist because you can always just go read the original.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvS5j_1oRMEToo bad they dmca'd the original.
>>284558863Holy shit, the 3DPD version looks better.
>>284569143What is this? New Oshimi manga?
>>284558863This was the Chainsaw Man Season 1 of its time
>>284559308god I miss the 2000s when all girls wore glasses like this. now everyone's still trying too hard to be Harry Fucking Potter
>>284558863>>great plot>>deep themesbabby's first coming of age manga
>>284558863classroom paint scene and overall atmosphere and sound was phenomenal for the anime, down to the asa chang/jun ray ED. The roto was so fucking ugly though and would put anyone off. I read majority of the manga too well past where the anime ended, only dropping it after beginning to forget to keep up with releases into the timeskip shit. It's wasted potential the franchise, at least in my book.
>>284558863>shit plot>shit characters >superficial themesthe artstyle was the least issue Good OP at least
>>284569639apparently it's for sending electromagnetic wave (denpa) signals to make people go crazy
>>284570985What's the non-baby's one?
>>284558863>>284559572>>284558863>and wanted to show how this series would look like with non-moe charactersThen why not just draw them with realistic style instead of tracing the outlines and forgetting to add shadows and lips?OP girl has a very prominent nose, laugh lines, dimples and lipsbut she's drawn in such a way that she looks like she has no nose at allit's literally the OPPOSITE of what it should be.This isn't about uglyness or anything, this is just incompetent rotoscoping. Compare with literally any other rotoscoping example and you'll see that this anime did it badly.
>>284569179i really wish I didn't know anything about this cunt.
>>284561963Those chips bother me a great deal
>>284570976I welcome any and all kinds of glasses
>>284572745Have you thought that maybe, just maybe, they did not want to draw actors at all, and only used them as a reference for contoured flat shaded characters, and the point of that was to show how so called dull uninteresting people start to mean something for each other? Have you understood the work at all?
epic troll tourists fail due to having zero knowledge of Oshimi and refusing to read anything
>>284572935None of that explains why they didn't draw noses and lips.Reminder I am arguing against the OP saying people only hated because of rotoscoping. No, they hated it because the style looks retarded.Not ugly, retarded. Ping pong looked ugly but interesting. This looks ugly and retarded.
>>284558863Anime is a visual medium
>>284558863By far the best part about this schlock is the directing or what you plebs call "ugly rotoscoping". >great plot>deep themes>decent characters >strong psychological writingLaughably pretensions bullshit. The writing is the same "beta male self-insert gets to do degen shit with crazy chicks" the author always does.
>>284573589Perfect IQ sample btw. Directing has nothing to do with rotoscoping.
>>284573465> Ping pong looked uglyOkay, the only retard here is you, the pathetic cowardly commoner who is allergic to any form of expression unless people in media and around him all agree that “Yes, this is allowed and good and spectacular, worth spending money”. Then you peek outside of your shell, and even applaud with others.Can you get that no one intended for the characters to look “nice”, neither to you personally, nor to anyone else?
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>>284573623 Yes you got me there 300 iq genius. Rotoscoping is definitely not a directorial choice. But I guess pretending you're smart is all you pseuds have when the slop you like gets accurately called out for what it is.
>>284573868Calling you dumb doesn't make me smart. Only an insecure idiot would make such a leap in logic. What were your criticisms again? You only called it and I quote: "pretensions bullshit", "beta-male self insert" and "slop".
>>284573631>being this triggered by the mention of ping pongI'm not even a fan of ping pong, I'm simply using it as an example of something that looks different than the average anime, you sensitive fag.>Can you get that no one intended for the characters to look “nice”, neither to you personally, nor to anyone else?>they made it look retarded on purposeAnd I should care why? If the result looks like shit, their intent is irrelevant. There are plenty of examples of animations that isn't meant to look "nice", and yet still looks interesting in some way. AnH just looks amateurish, like they didn't know how to use rotoscoping properly.
>>284574147You're not a fan of anything. You simply consume what's stuffed into your mouth, guided by environment where the most complex reasoning about the quality of the movie is “Erm... Hmm... Well... Oh, I've read that its box office is X millions of dollars!” You are taught to eat the same shit over and over and over again, and when something doesn't fit into your incoming pipe, you are totally struck, and complain that it's everyone else's deficiency, and not yours.Anyone with a couple of brain cells still functioning would find some words that suit Ping Pong better, either for or against it. But to do that, you need to understand, and you don't understand. You don't even know how to understand. Other people, big and small, do that for you, and offer ready-made opinions. You're on the level of people who watch YouTube “reviews” unironically.
>>284572381Otome Dori
>>284574420>zero arguments just a whole post of crying and projectionlmao
>>284574077Yes quote all the "buzzwords" that trigger you and ignore the meat of my very accurate assessment. I'm sure that will change reality and the slop you like will get mentioned in the same breath as the classic russian authors two weeks from now. All there is to this shit is a closeted degen protag (with an extremely bland personalty for the ease of self-insertion) and a couple of crazy chicks that enable him. There is no great plot, there are no deep themes, and the "psychological writing" isn't strong. The anime is the definition of style over substance. It just so happens that most people that shit on it are too low iq to see it for what it is so they end up shitting on the only redeemable part.
>>284574614> not even a single attempt at showing that you're not a complete normie idiot that has been describedAs I've said, you do not understand. You pretend that you have a taste, an opinion, and behave like someone who does, but you don't understand how to understand, and that's why you say what you've said.
>>284558863It looks absolutely horrible
>>284575021>still crying, still no argumentslel
>>284558863This was not the kind of manga you experiment withAt least do it traditionally first
>>284558863too bad it didn't adapt the better half
>>284569765>>284559158KEK glad I only read the manga, this looks like shit
>>284561136Still prettier
>>284558863It's hated because it's not cute girl slop pathetic people can self insert into. The weird bully girl is supposed to be ugly and unappealing.
>>284575641>this girl was supposed to be ugly>looks the same as every other characterSo why is every single character ugly an unappealing as well? Even the random people on the streets look worse than real life ugly people.Even cherry-picking ugly real life japanese people won't get weird shit like what this anime shows.
>>284569143If a girl won't suck your dick, flat out break up with her. Trust me bros they're frigid bitches fucked in the head and no, you can't fix these either.
>>284558863only whiny newfags hated it, it was great and every thread was a crazy ride.
>sex>in my animeno sorry, not watching
>>284574760Actually admitting you could only ever argue using buzzwords is progress I guess.
