Why was this show so hated? I wasn't exactly a huge dragon ball fan, but 10-11 year old me really enjoyed it. The Baby saga was pretty dark and I loved the Super Saiyan 4 transformation.Dragon Ball Super hardly seems like an improvement, it seems memey, self referential and just less serious. Keep in mind I'm hardly an anime consoomer, I'm just some guy that watched GT as a kid and then checked out Super as a novelty.
idk if you’re being serious or indulging in irony, but it is absolutely insane to me that the majority of fans consider Super better than GT. neither series are great
>>284566392I'm being serious. I didn't find GT functionally any different to the Buu saga in terms of quality. Child me munched down that slop before school and was happy with both.
>>284566259GT focused entirely on Goku, so if you liked anyone else you had a rough time. Even Vegeta only gets to stand by his side in the final battle, and he's soon told he's much weaker even in Super Saiyan 4.The battle animation is also really bad when the show changes to actually battle focused. It doesn't have as many infamous "off-model" scenes as Super (although there are still a bunch, including the infamous badly drawn Cell), but the battles once the show got to the battle focused part were often really static. Sometimes outright devolving into slideshows (like when Super 17 was beating up everybody and also when Goku used the Dragon Fist against the Ice dragon).
>>284566259Amerimutt thing.Dbz arrived in the saiyan saga, they only knew adult goku and the fights.So when it turned into kid goku going on adventures and they lost their shit
>>284566259Terrible first arcs. Going from Z to the shitty humor of the original does NOT WORK. Daima sucked too.
>>284566259>I wasn't exactly a huge dragon ball fan, butand that there is exactly where the problem lies
>>284566259>Why was this show so hated?It's not.
Western fanbases and their psychotic obsession with "canon".
most of it was quite badbaby saga, while edgy, was probably the highlight of the series
all of it was very goodbaby saga, while kino, was one of the many, many highlights of the series
>>284566392You claim that "neither series are great". Yet you seem mad that someone thinks another series is better. Than the one you say isn't great either. Curious.
>>284568964he isn't "mad" he is confusedImagine you see two people looking at two piles of shit. One of them says "Left one is better" and the other says "You're right, left one taste obviously better" and you're then wondering "this is absolute insane that you consider one better than the other, both are shit!"
>>284569193>this is absolute insaneNo I look at two anime and say "wow this one is a 4/10 and the other is a 3/10" or to make an analogy [bad thing] and [worse thing]That's when you go "That's wrong!! GT should be 4/10! Not the other way around". Happens a lot.
>>284569296I have no idea what you tried to say, but I will assume you agreed with me and now move on from this thread
GT is not a very focused series. The character designs are much more garish, the fights attempts at being tactical just become silly, and any attempts at giving side characters a chance to even pretend to important get thrown out for more Goku. It is a perfect encapsulation of Toei trying to fill in the gaps and slapping together a collection of tropes to recapture Dragon Ball, and they failed at it. Nobody's favorite antagonist is Omega Shenron.
>>284569484>I have no idea what you tried to say,Wow, you must really be retarded and illiterate.
>>284566259One of the biggest complaints is that it supposedly uses a lot of the same stock footage, but my brat-self never noticed this and I never rewatched it as an adult.I do agree with you though, SSJ4 is fucking awesome.
GTfags don't know about rating things from 1 to 10? They can't count? No wonder they like GT...
>>284566392>but it is absolutely insane to me that the majority of fans consider Super better than GTThat has no bearing on whether or not a series is good or bad.
>>284566259Just tribalism
>>284566259Its alright if you wanted something after the Buu Saga and movie 13.Quality wise, it is pretty much on par with the filler sagas of DBZ like Fake Namek, Garlic Jr, Otherworld Tournament as they are all the works of Toei Animation. So it is going to have the same things going for it and against it. The Baby saga and Syn/Omega Shenron arcs are arguably the highlight of the series, although I would say the Black Star Dragon Ball Saga would be enjoyable if you liked the original Dragon Ball, its a nice return to roots in some ways but is not without major flaws.Also because there are now three different series that follow the end of Z, they are inevitably going to be compared to each other even if it is really better to like what each series has going for it since they all have different strengths and weakness. In retrospect I kind of like it more than Super, mainly because it gives closure to the story and doesn't have nearly as many retcons and character assassinations as super does. While for Daima I am not really sure since I didn't watch it with translated subtitles for most of it and I really didn't like how it's take on SSJ4 Goku and SSJ3 Vegeta looked. >>284566873Nah, because if Japanese audiences liked it more, it would not have stopped at just 64 episodes.
>>284569967You can tell that this image was made by a retard.
>>284568964He just wants everyone to hate GT.Sad, isn't it?
The fights were slow and boring as hell. There's not a single fight that's good.The character designs were awful and dated looking (except ssj4 and super baby vegeta 2).I hate the kid goku shit, I can't believe they did it again with daima and that flopped aswel
>>284569926>By animation:Daima > GT > Super>By comedy:Super > Daima > GT>By worldbuilding:Daima > GT > Super>By likeability of characters:Super > Daima > GT
>>284570473>blatant list of biasConcession accepted.
>GTGood ideas, bad execution>SuperNo ideas, bad execution
>>284570608This, but Super has at least decent execution forgiving some ToP fights and the entire Broly movie good animation. But everything is a fucking retread.
>GTGood ideas, good execution>SuperBad ideas, bad execution
The Shadow Dragons really was too good of a concept to be handled the way it did. Of course over reliance on the Dragon Balls would have some sort of karmic blowback.
>>284570659>Of course over reliance on the Dragon Balls>the series is called "Dragon Ball"Hmmmmm.............. I wonder what Dragon Ball is about.... Sandwiches? Pears? Pickles? Fermeted cabbage?
>Potential Man: The AnimeHas tons of good ideas on paper but then absolutely no idea how to materialize those ideas into a cohesive narrative. Power levels are not consistent, plot holes are everywhere and even to the end it couldn't really decide on whether it wanted to lean harder into slapstick adventure like OG DB or more time-to-get-serious showdowns like Z.That said it is only 64 episodes of crap as opposed to more than 120 episodes of crap like Super.
>>284570681Did you think you were clever for making this post?
>>284570659Only on the surface level was it a good idea.
>>284570783no..
GT had some pretty bad episodes, but at least they were animated well, and the only really awful one is that fucking weirdo trying to molest pan.Super? Super is dogshit. All flash and no substance. It's actually really fucking disgusting because they could have animated it well, and chose not to, because toei are a bunch of cheap fucking fucks.
>>284570041GT was only going to be 40 episodes originally and stop after the Baby arc.
>>284566259I liked the starting arcs, it was a return to the adventure genre from DB.
>>284571114They are super comfy to watch, but they should have expanded more on them.
>>284570694The only "good" ideas GT had were Baby and SSJ4, Super 17 and Shadow Dragons are literal fanfic tier from the ideas alone
>>284566259It looks like ass most of the time (animation and storyboarding both), the designs are ass (though I'm kind of fond of mustache Vegeta), the entire structure is bizarre and a little pointless feeling, and while juggling the cast was never a strength of DB from the Saiyan arc onward, GT is entirely inept. I like the ending, though.I don't even like SS4 that much honestly.
>>284569509Mine is. GT was awsome.
>>284571325Super 17 was an awful idea, yes, but the Shadow Dragons certainly weren't
As someone who has watched Super and GT, I can say that the latter is way better.
>>284566259GT is one of those "better than you remember". If you watch it as a kid it's cool and has some genuinely cool ideas. Probably of all post manga things it has the best "concepts". I like Baby, i like SSJ4, i like the trek through space and i like the evil dragons.But then you watch it and every idea is done in a lame, sterile way with very low quality animation.The only good thing about GT is that it's short, so it's over before you know it if you watch it.
>>284569509>Nobody's favorite antagonist is Omega ShenronYou could've said Super 17, but you picked the coolest thing to come out of GT after SS4 instead.>>284571325To me the shadow dragons are the best idea to come out of Toei. Ending the series with the titular dragon balls being the main villain and having them being an unforeseen consequence of all the dragon ball misuse all the way from the beginning of the series was great.
>>284572705Name one of the shadow dragons that isn't Shin, Nova or Eis
>>284566259GT for all its flaws has a lot of soul with its aesthetics, the soundtrack, and feels very wistful with such an aged timeline. It's sad but makes a good job at wrapping up Goku and friends. I guess there's like 20 episodes out of the whole run which might be worth watching.
>>284572946>the soundtrackGod no, that shit was awful. It was so much worse than the original anime's music. The same guy who did the GT score also did the original Z movies, and it sucked there too. I mean this unironically when I say that the dub movies adding in cringe numetal like Disturbed was an improvement over his music.
>>284572994It's definitely not as iconic but I like many individual tracks.
>>284566259I remember watching it as a kid and feeling very confused cause the animation, colors, sound effects, everything was just off and didn't feel right.It felt like some low-budget counterfeit that got to air on TV.
>>284572946>>284572994the soundtrack has exactly one good song they spam relentlessly. tell me a single music that isn't some variation of Dan Dan. granted, that is a really good leitmotif
>>284572705Yeah, shadow dragons are a cool idea, but execution is fucking horrible, and dragons don't really have anything to do with the wish they were created from. All dragons have the same evil personality, minus Nova, who is an honorable warrior due 4 ball ball being held by Goku.Either way, here is what I would have done:> Every shadow dragon represents one person who was brought back mutated based on the person who killed themSo, the shadow dragons are>One-star Dragon: an honorable dragon who fights with a spear, based on Bora>Two-star Dragon: a perverted but wise dragon who uses kamehameha, based on Roshi>Three-star Dragon: wise-cracking midget based on Kuririn>Four-star Dragon: the strongest dragon who also happens by a redneck, based on Goku>Five-star Dragon: proud warrior based on Vegeta>Six-star Dragon: stoic warrior with a sword based on Future Trunks>Seven-Star Dragon: dragon based on Mystic Gohan (who keeps calling people retards)Here is the twist: every shadow dragon is linked to the soul of the wish resurrected. Therefore, when a shadow dragon is killed, the person it is linked to doesn't just die; they are wiped out of existence.Therefore, to get rid of the shadow dragons Bora, Roshi, Kuririn, Goku, Vegeta, Trunks, and Gohan all have to die.
>>284572823Haze.
>>284566259GT is basically a weird Super Sentai show with tons of bad writing. Even the "Z" anime, which is a lot dumber than the original manga, has much better writing and fight choreography.
>>284574207>shadow dragons are a cool ideaNot that good. Dragon Balls backfiring because "muh karma" goes against Dragon Ball in general.
>>284575473>goes against Dragon Ball in general.Proof?
>>284575512Here's your proof.
>>284575534Where?
>>284575553Last narrator panel should be enough, but have another one. Literal Dragon Ball creator says people like Goku who use them for good are 100% worthy of them. It's pretty clear.
>>284575589>inb4 Kamisama doesn't knowThere you go. Guru. "Balls of Hope".
>>284575534>But somehow they'll always get through...and the dragon balls will be there for themYou know the GT's ending doesn't actually undermine it.Shenron tells Goku that Dragon Ball will someday come back
>>284575612GT is still trying to make it sound as if they made wrong wishes and overused the Dragon Balls, which is, by all reasonable accounts, wrong. In fact they only use the balls like... 5 times over two or three decades, each time to revive people who got murdered, sometimes heroes who died defending the innocents.Don't even get me started on "regulars get a bonus" canon Shenron. It's obvious this kind of karmic payback doesn't really fit the way Dragon Ball was written.
>>284575589>>284575608None of that disproves the Shadow Dragons. Explain the cool down periods?
>>284575739>None of that disproves the Shadow Dragons. Everything about it disproves the idea that "the heroes overused the Dragon Balls and have to pay it back" >>284575649>Explain the cool down periods?Magic takes time to magic. it's all magic. Nothing about it has to "make sense". GT has some good ideas (among many bad ones) and is ballsy enough to actually go and do things (unlike Corporate Approved DBS) but while Shadow Dragons sound good on paper it absolutely doesn't fit the Dragon Ball Toriyama was writing.
There wasn't enough Pan lewds. it spammed naked goku but didn't deliver on Pan at all.also repeated the same plots from Z.
>>284575793>>284575649Irrelevant. Those are the wishes that we know about. What's to say they didn't use them for other purposes (see Super: Super Hero).
>>284575871>What's to say they didn't use them for other purposesExactly when? The hunt for Dragon Balls isn't that easy. Even then, Kami-sama made it clear that Goku was so worthy he'd decide to remake the Dragon Balls for Goku and people like him. It's about as clear as it gets.
