did we fail him as men?
I wish all people were like Thorfinn.
>>284614595Who does he think he is, Bush Sr?
>>284614620I suggest you think a little more about that Thorfinn is actually one of the worst kind of people
>>284614647You will never be like Thorfinn even if you try, Amerimutt.
>>284614671>muh globohomoYou all lack empathy and agreeing with a /pol/tard is like agreeing with the most retarded person on this planet.
>>284614595also the author is a feminist, so I don't think his work is really capable of addressing what is or isn't a failure of masculinity>War is basically just what happens when a bunch of angry men get together and try to blow off some steamI mean how retarded do you have to be to actually believe something like that? the series died with Askeladd, the real protagonist
>>284614595>we
>>284614683where the fuck did I say anything about globohomo?
>>284614709>incel copelmao, he just pointed out the obvious. how does this makes him a feminist? you're just seething over the best fictional manga of all time
>>284614595No you don't want to actually, if everyone was like thorfinn you'll be living in a hippie dystopia.
>>284614748First of all he's a self-described feministSecond he didn't point out the obvious, he made an asinine and simplistic pithy little comment about the nature of warfare, reducing it to "angry men blowing off steam"Do you really think most wars throughout history were fought because men were emotionally angry, and wanted to blow off steam?Not maybe more about, say, resources, or deeply held religious differences, or simply a basic cultural or economic conflict of interest? Perhaps waged for the benefit of others parties, that stoked the war in the first place?No, clearly, it's just when dudes get pissed and decide they want to kill each other. That's what war is, totally. If Women were in charge there would never be a war ever again I suppose.
>>284614748What's the best non fiction manga?
>It's vinland schizo again.It's always the same contrarian anon who goes strawmaning anyone who points out Vinland Saga and the author's shortcomings.
>>284614595He failed everyone and himselfInjun Joe won
>>284615040Funny thing is the manga makes the nords the canonical losers and we are supossed to think its a good thing because muh ideals.They didn't even achieve their goals, lmao.
>>284614595What chapter was this?
>>284615040>B-b-but eventually he'll die or his sword breaks because he doesn't know how to maintain it.By then, he'll have killed numerous people with it. Gotta love Thorfinn for indirectly causing trouble to both his colonists and the natives.
>>284614709This is incredibly disrespectful to women and to men to an extent. They suffer and gain as much as any man in a war. What’s the worst that could happen to a female? Their spouse/family gets killed and they get passed around like a hot potato on the losing side? They have to prostitute themselves in order to survive until some well off man picks them up from the gutter for himself if it even happens? If men were put in the same position a majority would just get killed on the spot, some would get enslaved, and some would get raped anyway. War is not simply a temper tantrum made by men it’s an utter contempt for human life that demands sacrifice and doesn’t care about equality or genders. But you know, those poor women…
>>284614595Did he ever rape anyone like the other vikes?
>>284615332Right exactly, when he says most wars were just because of hotheaded men, he might be right about one side, but what about the other? Men just as readily fight to protect their homes, and specifically their women, from invaders who literally want to steal and rape them.It just shows that the author has a very shallow understanding of history
If, hypothetically, someone broke into the authors house and tried to rape his wife, what would the author do:a) violently defend his wife himselfb) call the cops to enact violence upon the rapistc) hold her down an not to inconvenience his fellow human
What did she mean by this?
>>284614748What's incel about understanding war is not in fact done for the same reason as a boys trip to the bar?
>>284614709This is the same author as Planetes, right?The dog arc in that manga was fucking rage inducing because my neighbors have dogs who never shut the fuck up when I'm trying to sleep.
>>284615498to truly follow Thorfinn's ideal of ultimate pacifism, he would have to just allow it to happen, if he can't stop it non-violentlyRejecting the idea of righteous violence doesn't leave any wiggle room
>>284615764damn, that's bad
>>284615784Yeah, I don't know how more people don't get that Thorfinn is actually just a crazy personHis life is just divided into two polar-opposite chapters of insanityHe was a berserk viking murderer who probably killed like at least 100 peopleNow he's a hyper-pacifist cult leader that led a bunch of innocent people into a slaughterhouse by thinking he could just build a brand new country where nothing bad ever happens on land already owned by other people and when the shit hits the fan, he won't lift a finger for any of it, because that would be evil I really do believe that the insane self-punishment beating he took in the Farm arc left him permanently brain damaged and nobody noticed
>>284615815author needs to hit him with the>if you want peace, prepare for war>the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothingstuff like that
>>284615831It'll never happen, the author doesn't believe in those thingsThat page of Thorfinn is basically the author's own beliefs being expressed very directlyVinland Saga is basically his attempt to refute those ideals you put forward
>>284614595We live in an age of hedonism and deference of personal responsibility so, yeah, kinda.
>>284615764He genuinely is nutsI respect the dedication and discipline to go through so much pain for what he believes is right But he's a fucking crazy person, his idea of right is super screwed up
As a actual pacifist i think thorfinn is a bad representation of the ideology, first of all you don't run somewhere else, you confront the actual issues, what thorfinn did is very irresponsible.
>>284615849it'd be fine if he was just some random asshole not hurting anybody and getting his ass kickedthe problem is he causes a lot of problems for everyone around him because despite his supposed desire for a normal peaceful life, this motherfucker is constantly getting involved in giant adventures that drag lots of people into them
>>284615870Yeah I've been careful to always state that Thorfinn is a a hyper-pacifist, there's definitely a differencePacifism in itself is still within reasonThorfinn is just, quite literally>You can't hurt anybody or anything. Ever. No fucking exceptions.
>>284615894I agree, i respect what the author was trying, but he fucked up the portrayal.Thorfinn as it's written just looks like a coward to any Inteligent person who actually knows the philosophy
>making the same thread over and over again in order to call thorfinn a cuckhave you tried talking about manga that you actually like?
>>284615957Have you tried posting in threads that actually interest you where you can contribute to the conversation instead of just being a faggot?
>building a wall is LITERALLY GENOCIDE- Thorfinn
>>284615498>>284615764Absolutism in any form is fucking retarded, for this exact reason.Refusing to use violence to prevent a greater amount of violence will only lead to a net negative and more suffering in the world.Because the unfortunate reality is that bad people will commit violence, and violence is the apex of power. The person willing to commit violence will always win.The best we can ever realistically hope for is a world where reluctant violence triumphs over eager violence.
>>284614595No, just you, you alone. Fuck you.
Honestly thorfinn shouldn't have even tried to go to vinland, solving the wars of the vikings should have been his actual goal, i understand canute was there for that exact purpose, but it doesn't make any sense, thorfinn supossed to be the pacifist yet his plan is to go to the other side of the world to try some experiment.
>>284615932Well I don't respect what the author was trying, because the portrayal is his actual beliefs that he's projected onto the character
>>284614595I'm actually the same and I'm becoming stronger every day which ironically makes me kinder and more humble as wellIt is very weird how you mind works but i accept it
Now Askeladd, that was a real manhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW45GQYTs5Q
Thorfinn really feels like a character who's arc just stopped halfway through instead of ever finishing.
>>284614595he is the one who failed
>>284614595He failed himself
For his own good, the author should be robbed or at least beaten up at least once.
>>284615040My hero
Anyone got that page of the little kid being an author stand-in and spouting off how it's not Thorfinn's fault and it was all just bad luck?
I genuinelly wonder if the real reason why he skipped the Constantinople Arc is because he knows that he'll never be able to reconcile his retarded beliefs with the actual situation of the Eastern Roman Empire.>During Thorfinn's time, the Eastern Roman Empire has been fighting the powerful Arab Empire (Abbasid Caliphate) while dealing with the maurading Slavs (Bulgarians) and Vikings (Kievan Rus). How the fuck did Thorfinn develop his "total pacifism" during his time in the imperial city?
>>284614595The longer its been since Vinland Saga ended the more I've come to the conclusion that it needed a character like Wolfwood.
>>284614595Weren't you banned last time for making this shit thread?
>>284616557Thorfinn was also supossed to be Christian but it almost never showed unless you count a few scenes.
>>284614595No. I'm a real person not a manga character.
>>284615991>violence is the apex of power. The person willing to commit violence will always win.proof: USA and Israel's dominion over the entire world where international LAWS don't apply to them.Yujiro was right about VIOLENCE being the ultimate power. Itagaki knows what's up.
>>284614683lmao "globohomo" was not written once in that pic. WTF are you on about, you absolute tard?
>>284614748>you're just seething over the best fictional manga of all timelol LMAO sure buddy
SEX WITH HILD
>>284615957>have you tried talking about manga that you actually like?this one till the end of farm-land
>>284615849Isn't that the point? He's fueled by ptsd and a message from his father that he was to young to fully grasp at the time. Even Thors was willing to use violence (in moderation) to protect his loved ones and even save the lives of those willing to kill him. Ultimately I think the endgame of Thorfins philosophy should've been something like pic related.
