Foxe sisters, next week is our time!
>your daughter told you she wants to die>her retard girlfriend fucking bit her and promised to kill her if she gets happy>the 'nuki is hereBeing foxe is suffering
>>284622239Azami here in an anime onry realizing fox isn't the love interest.
>>284622388Cucked by a depressed faggot.
>>284622239I wish Miko was in love with Hinako for making cuck memes
>>284622432Just invest in Azami cuck memes instead, the potential is only going to go up over the next few months.
I really hope that some day fishe realizes how good of a friend foxe was to her and manages to come up with a nice gesture of gratitude. >You can't marry Hinako, but you can marry our firstborn instead :D
>>284622914>You can't marry Hinako, but you can eat our firstborn when she's a toddler
>>284622914Full Twilight
>>284623408>>284623310>>284623287https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uf1g6N4sKY
>>284622416oof
Erika, release the raptors.
A smile that must be protected at all costs
equally important smile
Why is this allowed?
>>284626709This was a very important ritual dance Miko learned to perform at toddler funerals.
>>284626709Sex sells.
>>284627425>>284627586It's hybrid time!
>>284628813Human-fish hybrids, you mean.
>>284631748
>>284631748Hinako's daughters will all have the Innsmouth look.
>>284632865They can just offset that with some foxy genes.
Reminder Hinako is into mature women.Reminder fox was expecting a romantic date with fish.
>>284622914Then fox makes the same face Shiori did at the cemetery.
Erika seems especially good at memory manipulation. Shiori previously joked about the idea of just putting a spell on Hinako to forget what Ayame told her, but even she seems to understand that would be too much of a violation even in her desperation to save her. What if Azami has her spell Hinako into forgetting that her family died, so that she smiles at Shiori again like she used to and Shiori is forced to either keep or break the promise? I'm kind of hoping for a big dam-breaking Shiori breakdown in the finale with Hinako being the one to comfort her for once, and Shiori finding she physically can't bring herself to hurt Hinako and thinking that she'll be rejected for good this time could be one way to get there.
>>284626709is this the local kami who protect us?
>this is pretty much what Shiori actually ended up going withShe did her best, but damn was her best not enough just yet. I think current Shiori would have put on a much better showing, especially after she's acknowledged the connection between them instead of insisting their only bond is the lie that they're just a predator and prey.
>>284638209Nah, it's Hinako who was the issue there. I think fishe did pretty much everything in her power, but Hinako just couldn't be convinced at that point.
>>284638276She did everything in "her power", but that reflects her social limitations at this point in the story, not something absolute. Listen more carefully to what Shiori is actually saying: it's framed like the big confrontation in a drama series where the MC finally gets through to the other person by deeply understanding them, but everything Shiori says is pretty much just platitudes that don't relate to Hinako's position at all. >It's not impossible!>It has to be you!>I'm telling you to live!It's the drama equivalent of a shounen MC who wins because he starts shouting louder. Of course that can't break through to Hinako; Shiori is finally starting to be honest instead of lying, but she isn't showing that she understands how Hinako feels, or making her own feelings and reasons clear. She's just telling Hinako what she wants from her and hoping for that to work somehow.And of course, all of that is especially made worse because Shiori has been denying any connection Hinako feels to her beyond "eventually I'm gonna eat you", so when that turns out to be a lie, there's absolutely nothing left between them as far as Hinako is concerned. If they somehow had a bond more like in chapter 52 before all this came out, Hinako would still feel upset and betrayed, but it'd be more "you're going to have to work to make this up to me" rather than "we're strangers now and always have been, fuck off".
>>284638532>>It's not impossible!>>It has to be you!>>I'm telling you to live!It's literally what you described as the connection between them. She reveals the truth about how they met and tells her that it's her own wish for Hinako to live. It's the opposite of>insisting their only bond is the lie that they're just a predator and prey.Hinako couldn't be convinced back then because she didn't really care that much about anyone. She kind of hopes Miko won't be lonely after she's gone, but that's it, that's not important enough for her to prevent her from suicide. Of course fishe could make it a little more about Hinako, but there wasn't that much she could say that could influence the girl. "Your family would want you to live and be happy?" That is Miko's line, it would sound stupid from Shiori who didn't even know her family.
>>284638924>t's literally what you described as the connection between them.That connection is only one way. Why should it matter to Hinako in that moment that fish feels that way towards her?>She kind of hopes Miko won't be lonely after she's gone, but that's it, that's not important enough for her to prevent her from suicide.It was important enough before she learned fox is a fox. It's only less important now because Hinako devalued fox's feelings by reasoning that fox lives for so long and has so many other bonds that her death won't matter.
>>284639397>That connection is only one way. Why should it matter to Hinako in that moment that fish feels that way towards her?That's why I'm saying Hinako is the issue. Fishe can't force her to make the connection. She consistently kept doing things that could make them closer, but all that mattered to Hinako was that Shiori would eat her eventually, and once that turned out to be false, she didn't care anymore.>It was important enough before she learned fox is a fox.Not really, what was important to her was the plea from her family for her to live (that turned out to be from fish).
>>284638924>She reveals the truth about how they met and tells her that it's her own wish for Hinako to live.Yes, that's what I said, but she doesn't explain why, or how that makes her feel. Even Miko got a clearer explanation about her loneliness and wish for connection that she thought was impossible. By the same token, she also doesn't show that she understands Hinako's position (which we know she doesn't, because she only just recently in the manga came to comprehend how living could be something someone doesn't want). When Hinako says that it's impossible for her to go back to her childhood, "oh yes it is!" isn't going to convince anyone who isn't currently performing in a pantomime. In an actual conversation, that's something to be explored - why can't Hinako do that? Why is that important to me? Do I really just want that for my own sake, or is Hinako's happiness itself something I value? Am I going to explain my lie as a rational choice I made to find out why you had changed so much, or admit that I was just hurt and scared and lonely? Her starting point is "I want you to agree with me" and that's what she focuses on, not "I want us to understand each other".>Hinako couldn't be convinced back then because she didn't really care that much about anyone.She doesn't care about anyone because the thing she thought was keeping her alive has been torn away and replaced with nothing. Shiori convinced her that their relationship was purely transactional, two people each getting something they want, and now it turns out she isn't even getting what she wants, so why should she care? The fact that Shiori is getting a different thing she wants to what she originally claimed doesn't change that. If the prayer was coming not from her family, but still from someone important to her, that would still be something to cling to, but with Shiori's previous dismissals of that possibility, it's just from some random girl she met once by change and nothing else.
>>284639539>That's why I'm saying Hinako is the issueThat's like saying that in a one-sided love confession that the one rejecting the confession is the issue.>Not really, what was important to her was the plea from her family for her to liveHer family's plea was the most important thing but not wanting fox to be sad after she died was also one of her lifelines.
>>284639539Hinako says that if not for Miko she would have "sunk to the bottom of the ocean".>>284639564I mentioned this in a previous thread, but in all likelihood Hinako would have more than likely clung onto the desire to meet O-sakana-san again after the accident if Shiori hadn't memory wiped her.
>>284639564>Yes, that's what I said, but she doesn't explain why, or how that makes her feel.You're asking her to make it more about herself, contradicting your own point. But sure. What is she supposed to say that would change Hinako's opinion? "Pls no die I want kissy-kissy"? Everything she could tell was already conveyed by her words and emotions. If Hinako doesn't care, nothing Shiori says would get through.>In an actual conversation, that's something to be explored - why can't Hinako do that? Why is that important to me? Do I really just want that for my own sake, or is Hinako's happiness itself something I value? You're asking questions fishe already knows the answers to.>Shiori convinced her that their relationship was purely transactional, two people each getting something they want, and now it turns out she isn't even getting what she wants, so why should she care?And yet Shiori kept doing things that could only be read as "transactional" if the other person doesn't fucking care about her as a person at all. >>284639748>That's like saying that in a one-sided love confession that the one rejecting the confession is the issue.If we're using your analogy, what can Shiori even say or do if it's already one-sided? "Why didn't she use better words to make Hinako fall in love with her?"
>>284640058>If we're using your analogy, what can Shiori even say or do if it's already one-sided?I'm not good at consoling other so I don't know exactly what she could have said that would work. But I do know that fish trying to use her own feelings to sway Hinako was not the right approach.
>>284640058>You're asking her to make it more about herself, contradicting your own point. No, my point is that they both need to understand each other's *feelings* in order to come to a common viewpoint, and Shiori doesn't talk about feelings, hers or Hinako's, she talks about what she wants Hinako to do. Those aren't the same thing.>Everything she could tell was already conveyed by her words and emotions.I've already explained how this is not the case, I'm not going to do it twice. Shiori keeps her emotions about Hinako extremely close to her chest, and her words are about what she wants from Hinako, not how she feels about Hinako or how Hinako feels.>You're asking questions fishe already knows the answers to.Does she? If she knows why Hinako can't go back, why does she just say "yes you can!" instead of engaging with that? If she knows why Hinako is so important to her, why doesn't she clarify that it is for Hinako's sake, not just her own? None of these are things she comprehends yet, because she's getting dropped into the deep end and is way out of her depth.>And yet Shiori kept doing things that could only be read as "transactional" if the other person doesn't fucking care about her as a person at all. ...Did you watch the show, my guy? Hinako *was* confused about how Shiori can act so kindly while just seeing her as prey, but Shiori deliberately knocks that idea down, including immediately before Ayame reveals the truth. She herself doesn't want to believe she doesn't just want Hinako to live "for my sake", let alone letting Hinako think that.
>>284640273>No, my point is that they both need to understand each other's *feelings* in order to come to a common viewpoint, and Shiori doesn't talk about feelingsShe's literally expressing her feelings in that very scene.>Shiori keeps her emotions about Hinako extremely close to her chestThat scene is all about her conveying her feelings and emotions. She did keep them masked before, but she was expressing them openly in that scene. People don't need to say aloud "I am sad" or "I am angry" to convey an emotion, they are doing it naturally with their voice, tone, facial expression etc. And that's what Shiori did there.>Does she? If she knows why Hinako can't go back, why does she just say "yes you can!" instead of engaging with that? If she knows why Hinako is so important to her, why doesn't she clarify that it is for Hinako's sake, not just her own?She knows why Hinako thinks that way, but she can't convince her to think differently. She knows it's for Hinako's sake, but she also knows it's pointless to tell her that because Hinako doesn't even care about herself.>Hinako *was* confused about how Shiori can act so kindly while just seeing her as prey, but Shiori deliberately knocks that idea down, including immediately before Ayame reveals the truth. She herself doesn't want to believe she doesn't just want Hinako to live "for my sake", let alone letting Hinako think that.Hinako was confused (because it didn't make sense logically) and asked once, but her being satisfied with "it's just so that you taste better :D" is a good indication of her being actually indifferent to the other person. Like when in their date scene Shiori said she doesn't care about Hinako's appearance and all she cared was that it's her (all while hugging her), the only way to interpret it as "hurr she just wants to eat me" is if you only care about being eaten.
>>284641208>She's literally expressing her feelings in that very scene.No, she's expressing what she wants. Again, not the same thing, I'm not going to keep replying just to keep explaining that.> People don't need to say aloud "I am sad" or "I am angry" to convey an emotion, they are doing it naturally with their voice, tone, facial expression etcShiori is conveying that she's angry right now, yes. But that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about all of the emotions that went into all her her decisions and relationship with Hinako, which she only approaches matter-of-factly from a rational "I had to do this because I wanted this" perspective. She doesn't yet invite Hinako into her inner world.>She knows why Hinako thinks that way, but she can't convince her to think differentlyI mean, first no she doesn't, because she's only just come to understand the idea of not wanting to live twenty chapters later. But more importantly, *she didn't even try* to convince Hinako or engage with the idea at all, she just said "you can!" You can't say "oh, well, there was no way anything could possibly work" when it was never actually tried in the first place. In that case, Shiori was right and Miko was wrong, there was no point in trying conversation at all.>Hinako was confused (because it didn't make sense logically) and asked once, but her being satisfied with "it's just so that you taste better :D" is a good indication of her being actually indifferent to the other person. Now you're just being silly. Hinako wants to care about Shiori, has her feelings hurt significantly when Shiori fully shoots that idea down, and immediately after that discovers that Shiori has been lying about the only other thing that served as the basis for their relationship. Hinako is the one who broaches the idea that maybe their relationship isn't just a transaction, and Shiori intentionally makes her feel foolish and embarassed for it.
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I want to do ienai koto to Azami
>>284641609>No, she's expressing what she wants. Again, not the same thingThat's just verbal gymnastics. What she wants is a direct consequence of how she feels. Her wish for Hinako to live is also her feelings about Hinako.>Shiori is conveying that she's angry right now, yes. She's conveying much more than just anger, and if you failed to read it from the scene, from her doubting herself, from her looks and expressions, from the rain droplets around her eyes, you must be emotionally deaf. And when you say "she doesn't invite Hinako into her inner world", that couldn't be any further from truth, if anything, that was the first time when she was so open about it.>But more importantly, *she didn't even try* to convince Hinako or engage with the idea at all, she just said "you can!" You can't say "oh, well, there was no way anything could possibly work" when it was never actually tried in the first place. Like what? You can't say "j-just try, it doesn't hurt to try" either, because what she says could make things even worse. >In that case, Shiori was right and Miko was wrong, there was no point in trying conversation at all.Well, that's sorta true. In that particular state there was no point in trying conversation because Hinako was at the point where she totally stopped caring at all. Miko tried conversation, and what did it result in?>Now you're just being silly. Hinako wants to care about Shiori, has her feelings hurt significantly when Shiori fully shoots that idea down, and immediately after that discovers that Shiori has been lying about the only other thing that served as the basis for their relationship. No, it's you who is being silly. 1. Shiori has been trying to be close to Hinako and did all those hints to make her enjoy life.2. Hinako thinks it's because Shiori wants to eat her3. It turns out Shiori was lying and doesn't actually want to eat her.Now what's the logical step 4? Do tell me please. Hint: look once again at the step 1.
>>284641923I told you I'm not going to keep replying to explain the same concept that "I want you to do this" is not the same thing as talking through your emotions, let alone reaching out to the other party's, to you repeatedly, and I'm not. If you're letting dislike for a character get in the way of basic plot points like Hinako having desperately wanted to explain their relationship as not just about a transaction, and that actually she "only cares about being eaten", there was probably not much point talking in the first place.I do especially like>from the rain droplets around her eyesthough, as if Hinako is also watching the anime and understands that the camera is making a narrative choice to frame the raindrops falling down Shiori's face as tears.
>>284642097I don't dislike Hinako at all, I'm saying that she was at the state where her wish to die was more important to her than anything else, that's why she was blind to contradictions between Shiori's words and actions.
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>>284642416fishe
>>284642416foxe
>>284642418>>284642435based
Hinako will throw herself at a random tengu and get eaten
