Would you be OK if anime adaptions went back to doing original endings and filer instead of waiting years for more content to adapt?
No just end on a cliffhanger
Most anime adaptations by now just wait for the series to be mostly taken care of before starting, with seasonal breaks. This only really applied to consistent weekly anime shows, and filler would ultimately just be an excuse to maintain a time slot.
yes, I don't bother watching 1 to 1 adaptations because I already know the story from reading the manga.
>>284632625I've got a better idea: more original anime.
I'd prefer they stop giving 200 chapters to every random "I have a crush on a girl in my class but a killer robot showed up and says it wants to marry me" story that every mangaka who has gay sex with the editor in chief wants to write
>>284632625What about cases when an anime original ending was better than a shit one from the original source?
>>284632727This. /thread.
>>284632625No I would not. They were always terrible and I'm glad it's gone out of fashion.
>>284632791Here comes the "Brotherhood is trash" guy again
>>284632791that would be good but stories that need their ending changed the most are never the ones that are actually changed
>>284632625What was his name again ?
The issue is that manga aren't as long as they used to be
>>284632625No it's pretty much always annoying.
Filler is good for a series where the cast is huge, like My Hero Academia and Naruto. 99% of the time the author doesn't give a shit about anyone that either isn't topping the popularity polls or isn't their favorite. Filler gives awesome but irrelevant characters like Shino a chance to shine and be more than just a background prop who's fans have to pray the author remembers to draw.
No. If you don't want to at least somewhat stick to the source then make an original instead of an adaptation. There is no point to making an adaptation that significantly diverges from the source. A lot of people on /a/ seem to think that the only two possible types of adaptations are panel for panel slideshows or ones where half the content is made up by the anime studio with nothing possible in between. >>284632913What? Maybe if you only compare battle shonen but there's plenty of manga that are 10+ volumes long. And 10 volumes is generally enough for 2 cours at least, while we typically only get 12 episodes at a time, so even that is beyond what anime adaptations are capable of unless they're lucky enough to get a second season.
>>284632625Fuck no. I can only imagine the people saying yes to this are too young to remember how many series were in endless filler hell and just how incredibly boring filler can be. Just wait for the manga to end before adapting it.
>>284632625In a heartbeat.I am so sick of every anime just being an advertisement for books, games, or manga with no real intention of ever actually completing a story. I'm also sick of the few that they do decide to go through with being milked so thoroughly that I'll probably be 60 or 70 by the time they actually end. Anime is such a shitshow these days and being expected to follow something on a pace to take 40+ years to fully release is absolutely killing parts of the industry.
on the one hand, we get filler like goku and piccolo driving.on the other hand, we get one piece content stretching.
>>284632625Nah I'm good. While it offers certain characters a chance to shine I don't want to go back to sitting through a bunch of filler or having to sift through it.
>>284632861Brotherhood is good. But 2003 definitely had a better ending.
>>284632625They only did that because they would either catch up to the manga and have no further material to adapt. So no. I would rather have shows that are actually faithful to their source materials rather then having Naruto struggle to beat ninjas he's going to beat 30 episodes from now.
>>284633053>Just wait for the manga to end before adapting it.that's just a bad business decisions. anime adaptations are ads for the manga. sales skyricket when the anime airs
>>284633376That's fair
How about instead we have faithful adaptations for 1/3 of anime, and the rest is just brand new stories that aren't adapted from anything at all
>>284633565How about we have faithful adaptations for the entire series and they make more when they have enough content? It's not even like they do that now. You have to hope they'll make more and if they do you may have years between when they get enough content for more and when they actually make the anime.
>>284633058>>284632625If the changes are good, if not better, than the anime like in FMA '03 or DBZ then yeah, I'm all for it. But if it's not good at all then don't bother. This is the only reasonable position.
>>284633565maybe for one season, just to rub fetishists' noses in how terrible the average original is
>>284633376are you kidding me lmao the only point of watching 2003 is everything prior to when they caught up to the manga and did their own ending
>>284633800>>284633871What
>>284632625I rather they animating well with good art again first>>284632861He's not too far. BH was good, canon ending but it was rather saccharine and a tad too shonen despite being enjoyable. Good doesn't mean is free of flaws
>>284634078I'm cool with genuine criticism, just not endless strawman arguments and ad hominem
>>284634213what's the strawman and ad hom in brotherhood's criticisms? manlet jokes? those are canon lol
>>284634250Most often complaint I hear is about "if you kill the bad guys you'll be just as bad" being a stupid message And that's clearly not what the message of brotherhood was, not even a little bit
>>284634333>Most often complaint I hear is about "if you kill the bad guys you'll be just as bad" being a stupid messageGod, I hate that trope! Thank god Envy cucked them all and commited hommonsudoku afterwards
>>284634375...But it wasn't doing that trope to begin with
>>284634078>it was rather saccharineFor FMA, that's how it should be. No need for them to get spirited away to Nazi Germany.
>>284632625>Go back toThis wasn't a common practice.
>>284632625Make original anime in that case instead of some bizarre fanfic
>>284632625No. I go read the source afterwards and the shitty ending lingers in my mind. It basically spoils the source material without even doing it. I hate it more than anything.
>>284632625NO
>>284632727This I almost never watch an anime adaptation because it's the same thing that I read but with less information. So it would be better if it changed the information a bit and gave it its own identity and thus a better reason to engage with it.
>>284635029Anime adaptions are for newcomers or hardcore fans that want to see their favourite scenes come to life with voice acting and motion. People like you that don't actually like the source material should just fuck off and watch something else.
Is it worth watching brotherhood if I have already watched 2003?
We can't have that anymore because we have more anime airing per season. It's also safer for studios to keep only 13 episodes scheduled in case the anime flops.
>>284632625I honestly never had a problem with filler. If I like a series, I'm not going to complain about getting more of the characters and setting. We only don't get it anymore because Narutards and Bleachfags screeched so loud for so long about how bad their series' filler was, as if the canon material was any better.
>>284632625Can anyone give examples of an anime going totally off the rails from its manga and being better for it? I'm old and can only think of Excel Saga but there's gotta be more.Two upsets I can think of though are the Hellsing anime where they made an original big bad villain named. . . Incognito. And Kekkai Sensen had some original important characters named. . . White and her brother, Black.So my experience with it is that adaptations seem to go okay but when you let studios create, they're not very creative. A talented animator/director could still possibly be as bad a writer as a middle schooler because just because you're good at one job doesn't mean you'll be good at another.
>>284635096It already had voice acting and motion in my head when I read it. Better voice acting and motion too. Do the scenes not come to life for you as you read them? I think you should try to engage with the works a bit more anon. You are at a very low level.
>>284635453K-OnSailor MoonCardcaptor SakuraPersonally, like every 4koma adaptation is an improvement.
>>284635453I like what GoHands did with Seitokai Yakuindomo.>>2846355464koma adaptations tend to be pretty bad at joke pacing. Even K-ON stretched out some gags to infinity. Though in K-ON's case Kyoani made it a completely different kind of show, but for 4koma adaptations that stay similar comedies joke pacing tends to suffer.
>>284635178of course. They are completely different
>>284632625Only if the anime takes 3 seasons (or several more if it is a large framchise with sidestories) and the plot is still unresolved in the original source material, at which point I can believe the author is just screwing around and just doing the equivalent padding stats. So sure anime original ending is required at that point.
>>284635651I watched the first episode of brotherhood and I hate it. This is 1000 times worse than 2003.
>>284635953Yeah the beginning of the Brotherhood anime was poorly paced and weird, they felt the need to rush it for some reason.
>>284635346This, lol. The filler in DBZ for instance was great and really fleshed out the paper thin caricatures and world of the manga.
>>284635953Skipping the first part of brotherhood already covered by 2003 is the optimal way to watch it.
>>284635178I'd just read the manga desu
I don't really care if it swerves into an original ending or not but it won't make a bad show good on its own
>>284632861Because it's awful
>>284632625It's good when the original manga turns out to be a complete dumpsterfire like that Brotherhood retardation that MALfags and redditors adore so much
>>284635178It really, really isn't. Brotherhood is more geared towards the Demon Slayer audience (aka children), just a lot of "funny" faces and stupid writing compared to 2003 which is tonally closer to a seinen like Monster
>>284636568>>284636613Pure kino
>>284636638We know you don't get it, you can chill out now
>Pure kino
>>284635346Its not because people bitched, its just not feasible anymore. Alot of shounen shows had to keep their time slot back in the day and the only way to do that is to make filler. Now that streaming is a thing TV slots aren't the show's creators main concern anymore.
>>284636638I don't think I'm going to end up watching it. I hate the animation style and the tone compared to 2003 which is one of my favorite anime.
They should just wait until the manga is finished to adapt it.
Shingeki could have been saved if MAPPA had rejected the monged ending the hack Isayama wrote and just done literally anything else.
>>284632625yes, let someone try their hand at an original ending if there isn't enough official content to keep it going, there's nothing inherently wrong with it, the anime community gets a novel, and potentially strange alternate ending for the characters and world to compare to how the author originally intends to end itand it's to a benefit, because by having an anime with an original ending, it gives room for a remake that follows the manga to be made, it's literally just making extra content
>>284635178just start from where the original diverted from the manga. the ending is much better.
>>284632625I want original more video animations
>>284635453Hellsing TV is extra bad because not only was half the series a lame original storyline, they had the nerve to still end it on a fucking cliffhanger. Like did they think they could somehow pivot back to the manga if a second season got greenlit?
>>284638184It's written way better than Ultimate though
>>284638238The OST is better and I like the overall darker style and atmosphere but the actual storyline is terrible once it runs out of manga. Personally I find both anime adaptations lacking, and the manga is the superior experience.
>>284632625Why not wait until the Manga is finished, and THEN make the Anime?
I guess it really depends. Light Novels definitely though. I get real sick of seeing a short 13 episode add for a book I'll never read and never want to read. Ideally it should be like other book adaptations, where the point should be the adapt the spirit while still being somewhat original.
>>284638421then they would've made less yen shekels
I'd honestly just be content if more adaptations had a more satisfying "stop" point if not an out right conclusion. Vanadis is a good example. It tells a complete plot regarding it's nation civil war while giving him a solid heroes journey. It has stuff that's unresolved but rather than an outright cliffhanger it feels like sequel bait and there is a difference. This isn't like some Blade Dance shit were it ends with YUP OUR REAL BLADE DANCE STARTS NOW! No, Lord Tigre saves his small land from danger, defeats his enemy and as far as he knows things are resolved.
>>284634513Why did they go to Nazi Germany of all places?Why did they think that was a good place to end the show on?
>>284639034Yeah, I'd really like to know what the logic on that was. I understand maybe wanting to avoid the traditional ending but that was.... weirdly specific.
>>284638398You could make this exact same argument for FMA, word for word.
>>284638398I mean even just compare episode one between the two The first anime took what the manga had and really elevated everything it was doing with its slower pace and all the new details and context it added
>>284639034>>284639077not to defend it I thought it was retarded but I figured the logic was their world is an alternate universe version of ours and their country was the equivalent of Germany
>>284639133You don't really feel a director's finger print too much these days. I mean sure they got their ticks, you can spot cubes a mile way but this isn't the same as some Mamoru Oshii shit. A director used to make a lot of difference. Even more accurate adaptations could feel drastically different.
>>284639187that was meant for>>284639113
>>284632625No thanks, now, give me a proper Claymore remake please
If you're not going to do a faithful adaption, make your own original anime.
>>284632625Just because it might have worked 1% of the time, doesn't mean I miss it(99% of the time). >director's finger printlolol
