We are so back!
>>284647420
>>284647519kek
>>284647420Bat plush when?
>>284647519IT GOJIRA
>>284647420I can't believe this loser digivolved down before he digivolved up.
>>284648346Has any other MC Digimon done that?
What's next for Tomoro?
>>284648570Looks like he's going to have an annoying rival to deal with, probably for the next 12 episodes.
>>284648666They all are. Interested the most in Reina's rival who literally wants to die.
>>284648570Growing some balls and asking Hitomi for a date.
>>284647519Groudzilla Unit-01
>>284648919Hitomi won't be back now Five Star & Tactics Team Seven are in the picture.
Beatbreak really likes the two part mini arcs, so considering that:>Episode 13: five star episode intro>Episode 14: Tactics intro>Episode 15-16: Glowie Dawn beats Granit>Episode 17-18: Glowie Dawn beats Hotaruko>Episode 19-20: Glowie Dawn beats Seraphi>Episode 21-22: Glowie Dawn beats Light Soda>Episode 23-24: Armalizamon evolves
>>284649116Makes a lot of sense. I'm assuming Reina and Makoto won't get their Perfect levels before Tomoro does.
>>284647420The mon designs are terrible and it's stupid chuuni wank. But the ED scene of green thing becoming the monster that chases along besides the car jumping on things is endearing.
>>284649198>and it's stupid chuuni wank...So it's Digimon?
>>284649198>it's stupid chuuni wank.At least emphasise your idiocy.
>>284648069here
>>284648713I think doomsday kid is supposed to be Makoto's rival.
Bandai and Toei's Armalizamons.
>>284649399Poster suggests otherwise.
I missed the new episode thread right when our hero finally achieved his new form>>284647519Clearly he was upset by the hideout’s location. Too much water, you know?>>284649354Holy batsack! He should just beat the next bounty into submission with those wrecking balls.
>>284649198>Digimon>not chuuniThe first season unironically quoted the Bible, and the most chuuni book of the Bible at that (Revelations)
>>284649728Ok
>>284649116I don't think the Tactics team will be beaten one at a time. I think they might end up competing for the same bounty for a few times, with one team winning sometimes and Tactics winning the other times before they go directly head to head at the climax of the arc. They might save Gigasmon for halfway into the arc or so since he's likely the Murasamemon of the group.
It's nice having a peak Digimon anime after so long
UltraAngewomon
New episode was meh. Having a random rampaging Digimon be the "final boss" of the arc did nothing for me, even if getting MarineBullmon was nice.
>arma lizamon>eats minerals to fuel its disintigration reactor it has inside it aka a particle accelerator>fires neutrons which resulted from the reactionsSo much for being a godly mon.They are going for full mecha mode.Basically a new version of machindramon which I can actually see him evil digivolving into.This also means the plot will be based on tech not any godly realm or the guardian digimons though they can appear to stop a nuclear attack.
>Everyone nonstop complaining about Makoto doing nothing for some episodes>He gets one of the best two parter episodes so far>Everyone complains about Gekkomon not evolving for most of the show and were super critical of the previous episode because it "reset" Tomoro's development>Gekkomon ends up evolving in an epic way at the climax of the first cour and his relationship with Tomoro gets a very positive developmentYou know, sometimes I think people should simply be a bit patient.
I love how my husband picks me up and carries me to the bed every night.
>>284651496It wasn't a completely random Digimon, it was clear it was the doing of the long haired guy from the Five Stars and served to establish him as a future villain. Given what he did, he may be behind the incident with BlackGaogamon from episode 7 too.
>>284651496You clearly didn't watch the episode properly. Or understand anything about the plotlines introduced.
>>284651807I was one of those who complained about Makoto but wasn't particularly bothered by Gekkomon not evolving. I remember an Anon saying how early on you could remove Makoto from the show and only a single conversation would have to be changed.
>>284652054Narratively speaking, Makoto being just a random character on the team is a much bigger problem than Gekkomon's evolution.
>>284652054I could understand complaining if we would be at the 25th episode and we didn't get anything, but to me at least it was clear the first few episodes were done to establish the world of the show and lead the way to the encounter with Kaito and the introduction of the Five Stars, so things like Makoto not being prominent early on and Gekkomon not evolving didn't bother me much.
>>284649728So Makoto is still the youngest.
>>284649728That's a misreading of the poster. Their poses match up there
>>284652246Exactly.>>284652258>but to me at least it was clear the first few episodes were done to establish the world of the showUnderstandable, but even in those early episodes he was just dull. Reina was energetic, Kyo mysterious, and Makoto was just competent analysis boy.>>284652338I see what you mean now.
>>284651854>>284651890What? Really? Oh how stupid of me to not have understood this! How could my media literacy fail me so horribly, I truly feel like an idiot right now!Naw, I stand by what I said. MarineBullmon is not a character, it's a random rampaging Digimon. Yes, in your mind you can reason that it is the Five Star's nefarious plot to be mean or whatever, but at the end of the day the fact that they're dealing with MarineBullmon is inconsequential to what is happening. It could just as easily have been any other Digimon or a tidal wave or an earthquake, it being a Digimon doesn't matter for the situation. It's just a rampaging beast that has no personal stake in what's unfolding. The scenario in the episode comes from essentially nowhere. The protagonists didn't prompt it with their actions and there is no obvious or even hinted plot development that actually brought this upon our crew—it just happened because someone said "Yeah, episode 12 is it."Action sequences gain their meaning from the context and buildup. The context of their home being at risk was not played correctly on screen and there was literally no buildup. The actions of the antagonists here did not follow from past actions of either antagonists nor the protagonists, it just randomly happened because someone thought it was time. As such, the action is reduced to just choreography. I like good choreography and pretty visuals as much as the next guy, but I also like to feel something when I watch good action scenes.>>284651807I agree that Makoto got a great two parter, and I haven't complained about Gekkomon not evolving. However, I have to agree that this Tomoro angst arc has been drawn out and his character development did get reset. All this stuff got hashed out already, they just really wanted to draw it out to 12 episodes.
>>284652426>Naw, I stand by what I said.In that case you're completely ignorant.
>>284652426It's not that deep, bro. MarineBullmon is not really important itself, what it's important about him is that he indirectly repaired the bond between Tomoro and Gekkomon and made way for the Five Stars to make their move. Most of the early enemies from Digimon Adventure were like that, random Digimon employed by Devimon and his black gears leading to the fight with him and Ogremon. Sometimes enemies don't need a detailed context to work, they're simply plot devices to move the plot forward. You don't like that? It's fine, no one forces you to like everything, but understand that is not a completely random event and that it was manipulated by the long haired dude for his agenda that will come in the future.
>>284652564>It's not that deep, bro.That much is obvious, because they chose to make it not that deep.And while you may think that the episode is fine without it, I assert it would have been better if the MarineBullmon was an opponent with agency in the action, and if the protagonists also had agency in what is happening. All I'm asking is some reason to care about the characters and what's going on.I'm not asking for much. Devimon, as you brought up, is not a complex villain. He wants world domination, uses the black gears and his henchmen to do it, the Chosen Children stand in his way so he needs to get rid of them and he's afraid of Angemon showing up. But he's an entertaining and engaging antagonist because he has agency in the events. The Chosen Children go seek him out to challenge and defeat him because he tried to murder them. He's formidable because he's prevailed over them in the past, and we understand that his black gear stuff that turned him gigantic makes him more powerful. And we understand that Angemon, as an example of the angel archetype, is able to defeat him.Here, MarineBullmon just shows up without previously established cause and without ever having interacted with our protagonists. The protagonists didn't do anything to effectuate this attack on them, it just happened. Perhaps a dose of realism but not necessarily good storytelling. The peril our heroes are in is difficult to gauge since it has no history with anything. We lack the context. Luckily we can fall back on Digimon power levels and know that MarineBullmon is a Perfect stage Digimon. But since it's a Perfect, how can Armalizamon beat it? Yes, Tomoro's ePulse is magical, but just how magical has never been established. But now Armalizamon just jumps out and handily whoops the supposedly stronger Marinebullmon's ass no problem, with no allusion to anything that's going on. That reduces the feeling of tension that one should want to build in a climactic fight.
>>284649728Muscle Daddy fanart when?>>284651890I wonder if this is like Eriol in Cardcaptor Sakura, where he's forcing a perilous situation to compel Tomoro to fight and grow stronger for Tomoro's own good?
>>284653404You're completely missing the point of this arc with your fixation on having a "final boss with agency" to close the first arc. MarineBullmon is just a plot device / monster of the week, there isn't an overarching villain to be defeated this arc. It's about Tomoto and his bond with the team and his new special needs son, and this episode was the culmination of his struggle.It's also implied that the Gold Star sent MarineBullmon after the Golden Dawn HQ and the team because they dared to confront the Fire Star earlier that day, or their confrontation got his curious.
>>284653404The other Anon is right, you are massively overthinking and overanalysing it.>Yes, Tomoro's ePulse is magical, but just how magical has never been established.This has to be a joke.
>>284653404And on the topic of early Digimon Adventure enemies...Shellmon and Unimon fit into the model of an opponent here, where neither they nor the protagonists have any agency in what's going on—essentially random fights. This type of random fight is actually more common later on in the Tokyo arc with Mammon, Gesomon, Raremon and DarkTyrannomon. On the other hand the likes of Meramon and Andromon have at least some build up and reason to exist in the conflict. Meramon, for example, is stated to be the guardian of the mountain with the spring, he gets shows getting geared, we get some setup in how the well runs dry, he's clearly established with certain powers when the fire attacks like baby flame just feed him more, and in the end he even gets some dialogue other than his mad cries.Is Meramon a great enemy? Hell no. But he is better than MarineBullmon. I wouldn't have Meramon as the enemy in my first arc finale, so I sure as hell wouldn't want this version of MarineBullmon either. Just in this show, Hyemon, Machmon, Astamon/mafia dude and BlackGaogamon all have much more personality than MarineBullmon, why would we pick an opponent who is less than these run of the mill ones we've beat previously?I figure it's to place more emphasis on Tomoro's own internal sorting shit out, but that stuff is something we've seen already. This just feels like rehashing stuff we've already witnesses multiple times. We needed something fresh for this and that fresh could've been a test of convictions from an actual character of an enemy, not a glorified natural disaster.
>>284653569It hasn't escaped me that this arc is about Tomoro going on repetitive monologues and learning the same lessons multiple times over. That's exactly my critique, this episode needed a heftier, more charismatic and interesting villain than just a random tidal wave or meteor from heaven. It needed more structure where the protagonists had agency in what's happening.None of this could've sprouted from thin air, the foundations should've been laid in earlier episodes. For example, the evil mafia dude from the Pandamon episodes could've taken that role of a recurring villain to be defeated here. but instead we got this flatness.I was on board with Tomoro searching for himself in episode 3. I was on board with it in episode 4. Episode 8 was a satisfying temporary conclusion to what we'd seen him go through. ...And then it just kept going, and it's always the same. When it keeps getting rehashed as just Tomoro dealing with just Tomoro's issues, yes it's part of his character, but it gets repetitive, and that's not okay. They needed some new way of tackling Tomoro's issues if they felt they hadn't been resolved yet, and this just wasn't the right way to do it.
>>284653976Your critique is based on a horrendously bad reading of the episode.
>>284653571IMO he's underthinking it, because he's completely ignoring the bits establishing that the administration has it in for Tomoro's family and that Kanada, a corporate goon, deliberately orchestrated the attack at a moment when Kyo and his team were too weak to properly fight back. All the context is there, but it's gone over his head.
>>284654103You're spot on. Anon doesn't even acknowledge the existence of the Five Stars despite them having been mentioned multiple times by this stage. He thinks MarineBullmon just did it randomly without any outside interference despite it being stated that its e-Pulse was massively overloaded.
>>284653571>The other Anon is right, you are massively overthinking and overanalysing it.I don't find "just shut up and consoom" to be a particularly great approach. I love the franchise so I want the best for it and from it. I see the flaws in the episode so I bring up my opinion. If you don't see them and/or don't care, that's power to you, but I still like to discuss these things.Arts are a subjective experience, but that doesn't mean they're without structure or beyond the reach of analysis. Just because any movement to music can technically be categorized as dancing doesn't mean there aren't better and worse dances and ways to dance. Same is true for anime. Liking an episode or not is subjective, but that doesn't mean we couldn't analyze the components and critique it, or propose ways it could've been better.
>>284654168>I don't find "just shut up and consoom" to be a particularly great approach.There's a stark difference between that and managing to outright ignore things that happen in the show to support your argument. You're doing the latter.
>>284654103>Kanada, a corporate goon, deliberately orchestrated the attack at a moment when Kyo and his team were too weak to properly fight back.This is conjecture.>>284654152>He thinks MarineBullmon just did it randomly without any outside interferenceNo, I don't think that. I even said it earlier, but perhaps I was a bit too ambiguous in my expression. That MarineBullmon is a tool of the Five Star to attack Kyo is inconsequential to my critique. It doesn't matter. I am criticizing that MarineBullmon is not a character, and doesn't have any agency in what's going on. It is a rampaging beast. It is no different to a tidal wave or an earthquake.>its e-Pulse was massively overloadedSo what? What, in the episode, does this change? The protagonists don't dwell on the matter any more than stating someone did it (and then there's a cut to the Five Star overlooking the thing ominously). This could've been meaningful. It's a hapless tool used by someone else, should we feel pity towards it? Express mercy, deal with it softly? Investigate and come to a reasonable solution like with BlackGaogamon? No, the tidbit is just discarded and we get to beat it the fuck up.
>>284654465>This is conjecture.Anon the berserk MarinBullmon had a GOLDEN glow while the GOLD Star was looking omniously at the situationThere's media illiteracy and then there's being fucking retarded
>>284654465>I am criticizing that MarineBullmon is not a character, and doesn't have any agency in what's going on. It is a rampaging beast. It is no different to a tidal wave or an earthquake.That is the entire fucking point. The Gold Five Star doesn't care about any agency MarineBullmon had. That is why I mentioned about its e-Pulse being overloaded to the extent it wanted to mindlessly destroy everything.
>>284654604I think anon is an autist and simply wants a reason to complain. We should simply leave him with his autism and move on. It's not nice to be mean with special needs kids after all.
Does anyone else think that sometimes Digimon's more dumb looking designs can get in the way of how serious a story is supposed to be? Or am I too irony poisoned?
Was /a/ always this retarded or are digimon threads just populated by dumbasses?
>>284654835I swear I've seen this guy with his pseudo takes before in these threads.
Gekkomon evolving against Marine Bullmon was a clear nod to Agumon evolving against Shellmon.
>>284654604Ah, sorry. This one was my bad. I'm bad with Japanese names, I got Kanada the Gold Star (who I have on multiple occasions acknowledged as being behind the attack) mixed with whoever the Ministry of Civil Protection dude was that appeared in episodes... I want to say 3 and 8? You called him a corporate goon which was not relevant to him attacking Glowing Dawn, and there's no disagreement with him being behind the attack, so I got the characters mixed up and assumed you were saying the other dude ordered the Gold Star to attack them, or something. My bad. However, that the attack's timing had anything to do with Kyo being down is still conjecture. I doubt we're getting an explicit answer to that.That the Gold Star is ultimately behind it doesn't matter for my critique. The protagonists didn't do anything to effectuate this attack on them and the antagonists didn't do anything to develop it, either. The protagonists aren't fighting Kanada in the episode, and they don't even know he's behind it. And because we don't know what Kanada's beef is with Tomoro's family (he's the one who has the Sapotama with Asuka's e-Pulse, remember), we the audience don't get to understand or partake in what Kanada's stakes are in the attack—hell, at the end he just shrugs and walks off, so apparently the attack didn't mean anything to him either.Trying to put my grievance with this scenario in another way, my issue is that the attack from MarineBullmon doesn't mean really mean anything significant to any of the characters involved. MarineBullmon is just a rampaging monster without self control, and its agency has been removed from it. Kanada seemingly doesn't care about the outcome of the attack. To Glowing Dawn, MarineBullmon is just a random monster, they have no reason to care about it. The detail someone sicced it on their base is ignored. Even the threat of their base and home being destroyed is not played on outside of one shot Gekkomon redirects.
>>284654835>>284654871Digimon Tamers damaged the minds of many kids, and not just those who became furries thanks to Renamon. Pseudo-Eva fans are simply the worst.
>>284654929Nice attempt at hiding the fact that you're using AI, but the dashes are still there.
>>284654971That you don't know how to use punctuation doesn't mean others share in your limitations.
>>284655026>has the gall to criticise anyone else about limitationsYou're still rambling like fuck about an issue of absolutely zero consequence.
>>284655053I happen to enjoy discussing these things. I hope you don't think I'm seething in some cold dark room, stifling tears of frustration because nobody understands me, because that just not happening.And not to be snarky, but you're also posting on a Vietnamese basket weaving forum, same as I. Nothing either of us could possibly post here has any consequence whatsoever. I enjoy this, so what's your excuse?>>284654941I didn't see Tamers until I was an adult. I don't even like it that much. In fact, of the first 5 series, it's probably my least favourite.
>>284655183>I happen to enjoy discussing these things.I would enjoy discussing them with you if you didn't deliberately distort things to the point they only make sense in your mind.
>>284655248And what have I distorted? Perhaps I haven't expressed myself correctly, it's always possible.
>>284655382>And what have I distorted?How everyone else saw the episode. You very obviously saw a different episode to the rest of us.
Time Stranger anime when?Everyone loves loop series so it should be a hit.
>>284647519Unironically a good explanation of pokemon vs digimon style wise
>>284655546No, I'm pretty sure I saw the same episode. You're not being very helpful in identifying what you think I'm being dishonest with, unless your argument is either the "shut up and consume" from before or "everyone else liked it so you have to, too".I think the episode suffered from the primary enemy being a characterless monster with no relationship to the protagonists and from the fact that neither it nor the protagonists had any agency in the fight. I want the fights to mean something and this one didn't. It could just as well have been a tidal wave or an earthquake.
>hanumon baby and in training formsOnly took an eastern server to get it.
>>284655829>>284654929>>284655183The fact that you don't think Tamers is even in the top 5 of best Digimon series tells me how bad your ability to critique or appreciate media is.
>>284655829>I think the episode suffered from the primary enemy being a characterless monster with no relationship to the protagonists and from the fact that neither it nor the protagonists had any agency in the fight. I want the fights to mean something and this one didn't. It could just as well have been a tidal wave or an earthquake.This is precisely why nobody is wanting to engage with you. You are fixated on this one issue which you have grossly misinterpreted.
>>284656218Then explain what's wrong with that interpretation instead of just saying "It's wrong lol".
>>284647420I admit, this episode gave me some bad attacks of the feels. Seeing how timid and pathetic Kekkomon was and then seeing Tomoro reconcile with Gekkomon and the end scene of genuinely accepting the little squirt. Compelled me to go give my dog a hug after.Hopefully the character development for both of them sticks this time.
>>284656243You've been told multiple times in the discussion yet you are constantly ignoring it.
>>284656275Saying "It's wrong" isn't proving me wrong.
>>284656243MarinBullmon's existence isn't important, and yes, it could be replaced by any other strong Digimon, that's the point.What's important is Tomoro and Gekkomon finally reconciling, and showing how such the strength of their mended bond can overcome the strongest of foesThis is basic Digimon shit my dude
>>284656376>That's the point To be shit and badly written?
>>284656393Okay you're just refusing to see reason nowMy last (you)
>>284656183>you don't think Tamers is even in the top 5 of best Digimon seriesThat's not what I said, now is it? I said I don't like it very much and that it's my least favourite of the first 5. If you can't appreciate how that and what you interpreted me as having said are different, then I'm sorry for you.>>284656218>issue which you have grossly misinterpreted.What have I grossly misinterpreted?That MarineBullmon isn't a character? It is not. It is a rampaging monster no different to a natural disaster.That it doesn't have agency in the fight? It doesn't. It is a rampaging monster no different to a natural disaster. Its motivations aren't its own and it has been driven berserk beyond any reason.That the protagonists don't have agency in the fight? They don't. It's a surprise attack by a monster that can't be reasoned with or subverted in any way, inflicted upon them without any action on their part.That the fight doesn't mean anything? It doesn't. Tomoro getting over himself (again) means something and the dressing of MarineBullmon is an excuse to get us the evolution to Armalizamon, but again, MarineBullmon could just as well have been a tidal wave or a trash compactor.>You are fixated on this one issueThis issue is my biggest gripe with the episode, along with what I've also said about how the arc has been dragging along and getting another episode where Tomoro just wrestles with himself after it's already felt resolved is repetitive and annoying. Not sure why I should talk about other things when this matter is still not actually concluded.Not that I really have much to say about other aspects of the episode. I guess for your benefit: The evolution song sucks, Kyo's flashback was nice I suppose, always nice getting more lore, uhh... that's pretty much it? This fight was the central action set piece for the episode, it matters much more for the episode than random bits of lore.
Is your whole argument seriously that MarinBullmon didn't give dump exposition about what it was doing and why it was doing it?...Are you a child?
>>284656613You've completely ignored the presence and influence of the Gold Five Star member on MarineBullmon. Come on man, you have to be doing this on purpose. You can't be this dense.
>>284656704His argument is that the fight was shit because MarineBullmon was being used as a tool and didn't attack Glowing Dawn itself. I wish I was making that up. What a fucking imbecile.
>>284656705>You've completely ignored the presence and influence of the Gold Five Star member on MarineBullmon.I have not. I am saying that it is not relevant for my point, because it does not actually come into play. The protagonists aren't fighting Kanada the Gold Star. They don't even know that Kanada is behind it. To the protagonists, it doesn't matter that Kanada is behind it, it's just a mindless rampaging MarineBullmon. For the audience, it doesn't really matter either, because we don't know what Kanada's beef is with Tomoro's family or with Glowing Dawn.To us the audience this is a surprise attack that doesn't result from anything the protagonists did nor from anything the antagonists did. Yes, Kanada is the one who did the attack, but why now? Why not two episodes ago? Why not two episodes from now? The attack is disconnected from the broader actions of the antagonists. It happened now only because now was the time the Five Stars were introduced on screen. It's not actually related to anything happening in the plot. The only character who had any agency in the fight was Kanada, and even his agency was "meh, didn't actually care" since he just shrugs and walks off.When they flashed Kanada overlooking the fight, did anything change for you? Did you feel like the fight got more dangerous, or more tense? Do you think the characters fighting became more invested? Did it feel like something more was at stake than was before, which was the death of Glowing Dawn or at least the destruction of their headquarters?>>284656376>What's important is Tomoro and Gekkomon finally reconciling, and showing how such the strength of their mended bond can overcome the strongest of foesNo, I did understand that that's what they were going for. I just disagree that this was the correct way of constructing the episode.
>>284656804>His argument is that the fight was shit because MarineBullmon was being used as a tool and didn't attack Glowing Dawn itself.Not really. I could compare this to the Adventure: episode 28, where Taichi and Hikari are attacked by a Volcdramon. If my memory serves, Volcdramon just attacks the two of them and then they have to fight it, much like in this episode where MarineBullmon attacks and then they just have to fight it. Volcdramon does this of its own volition, but for essentially no reason. It's another case of the opponent just being replacable with a trash compactor. (Actually, this trash compactor analogy is a pretty bad one, since the famous one has much more personality than either MarineBullmon or Volcdramon.)
>>284656980I don't really know what to say to that post. I'm just genuinely baffled you're getting this agitated over something so inconsequential.
>>284657140>Bruhhhh y do you care bruhhh
>>284657149What sort of imbecilic response is that supposed to be. Your arguments are complete nonsense.
>>284657140I'm not agitated. I'm disappointed they didn't do it better, and curious regarding the ways the episode fails (and the ways it doesn't). Like I said, I enjoy discussing these things.
>>284657242>Like I said, I enjoy discussing these things.You're very clearly in the minority. A rather ignorant minority at that.
>>284657279It doesn't get any more ignorant than just demanding to shut up and consoom product.
>>284657279>You're very clearly in the minority.So what? And in the minority regarding what? In the minority regarding enjoying this discussion? In not liking the episode? In caring about the structure, stakes and build up in conflicts in media?>A rather ignorant minority at that.This is clearly meant as an insult, but it's so cryptic I don't even know how to be insulted by it.
>>284656980>The protagonists aren't fighting Kanada the Gold Star. They don't even know that Kanada is behind itYes and?> it doesn't matter that Kanada is behind it, it's just a mindless rampaging MarineBullmonYes and?>For the audience, it doesn't really matter either, because we don't know what Kanada's beef Yeah, because we're going to learn more later. Do you think we need to learn these things immediately as soon as we see a character on screen? what the fuck?>To us the audience this is a surprise attack that doesn't result from anything the protagonists didNo shit. It's a surprise attack, what do you think surprise means?>nor from anything the antagonists did. Yes, Kanada is the one who did the attack,You contradicted yourself>but why now?we are going to learn that later, why does it need to be highly apparent to you what his goal was NOW especially when we still don't know what was up with his partner showing up to steal Asuka's e-pulse. It's a plot thread that later episodes are going to follow up on, it's like you don't understand the concept of a TV show.>When they flashed Kanada overlooking the fight, did anything change for you?It showed that Genjo - who we've seen in the opening and is later shown to be five star - was behind the attack and that he has a strange interest in either Glowing Dawn or Tomoro. Something he isn't ordered to do in his role as five star based on Kaito's small interaction with him.>strawmanWe can all see exactly what you're posting.
>>284657370Not what I'm saying at all.>>284657388You're in the minority of exceptionally poor interpretation. Multiple people in this thread have understood what the show has done in regards to the introduction of the Gold Star and how it abused MarineBullmon. You however cannot and are fixated on the fact it was used as a tool. Why was it used like that? We don't know. However, we do not need to immediately know. That is for the show to explain further down the line. You are wanting immediate answers and want the suspense ruined.
>>284655797Groudon, and Kyogre abd Rayquaza, were even specifically designed to buck Pokemon's general design theming to be explicitly "cooler" than usual.
>>284657422Something setting up future developments is not mutually exclusive with it being meaningful on its own or in the moment. And again, this is the arc finale and the long awaited moment of Gekkomon evolving. I at least would want to feel maximally invested in the action, including in the way where I care about the enemy and its goals.>You contradicted yourselfNot really. As I explain, I mean in the broader sense of what we've been shown. We have not seen the enemy hatch any plan or take any steps to affect this attack. Narratively, it originates from nothing.>we are going to learn that laterBold assumption. I doubt the timing of this attack is going to be visited later, as it's not set up as a mystery. Also regarding mysteries, I actually think the episode would've probably been better if they hadn't show Kanada traipsing around, since then it could've been an intriguing mystery for later—who attacked the Glowing Dawn? Now we got the answer immediately, so there's no satisfaction in it.>GenjoSorry, who the fuck is Genjo? Sorry, not that familiar with supplementary materials like interviews.
>>284655693Time Stranger would suck as an anime because of how barren and repetitive the plot is and how flat most of the characters are.
>>284657819Genjo is Kanada's name.
>>284657819>I actually think the episode would've probably been better if they hadn't show Kanada traipsing around, since then it could've been an intriguing mystery for later—who attacked the Glowing Dawn? Now we got the answer immediately, so there's no satisfaction in it.No, the intrigue is in WHY it happened. Not WHO. Why is the new Gold Five Star member wanting to attack the previous holder of the position?
>>284657519>That is for the show to explain further down the line. You are wanting immediate answers and want the suspense ruined.Sorry, is there supposed to be some sort of suspense or mystery here? I have at no point wondered WHY MarineBullmon was used in this fashion, because the reasons are clear. In universe, Kanada used it like this because he didn't want to attack the Glowing Dawn openly. From a production standpoint, it's for reasons to do with pacing the story, as the time for a major conflict with him isn't around just yet, we need to build up to resolving the dangling threads regarding Asuka's e-Pulse and the protagonists need to power up.But again, something can be rewarding or meaningful on its own, a pay off to stuff previously set up and also set up for stuff in the future, all at once. Just because I lament that the action in this episode was meaningless doesn't mean I want instant gratification at the expense of future pay offs. As I said earlier, I don't expect the kind of meaningful conflict with an actual character to have originated from nothing, it would probably have had to been set up in previous episodes.
>>284657819>Sorry, not that familiar with supplementary materials like interviews.as opposed to you making up the name "kanada" out of thin air lmao
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>>284647420Giga generic shonen. Still hoping for a hype episode on par with the first 3. Hell, I'll settle for Pandamon two-parter but less copouts.
>>284649195>Gekkomon punches above its weightHe's gonna be last for the long run.
>>284657819>Something setting up future developments is not mutually exclusive with it being meaningful on its own or in the moment.I legitimately do not know what you mean by this since the episode was both used to introduce Genjo and to further Gekkomon and Tomoro's relationship. The investment in the scene comes from the investment in the characters -- chiefly Gekkomon and Tomoro since its their focus episode.>Narratively, it originates from nothing.It's an introduction to Genjo and a follow up of Gokuumon's apperance in episode 2, it doesn't have to hae set up because it itself is set up. Again this just seems like you don't understand the concept of a TV show. You asking "Why?" is intentional because they're going to expand on this in later episodes.>Bold assumption. I doubt Your doubt means dick all unless you actually have sufficient reason to do so.>as it's not set up as a mysteryIt's part of the mystery for the viewer since we have information the leads don't and it ties back into the mysterious Gokuumon and his owner -- Genjo.>Now we got the answer immediatelyThe question isn't "Who" it's "Why" was Glowing Dawn attacked and "What" is Genjo's aim. Things that will be expanded on later since they're integral to the plot and Tomoro's initial goal of waking up his brother.
>>284657936But this mystery is not relevant regarding the action that's happening. The fight with MarineBullmon isn't any more tense or meaningful just because we don't know what Gold's beef is with them, because those answers aren't at stake, nor is anyone actually fighting experiencing any grievance regarding it. Not that this is particularly material to my point anyway, since we should be able to both have this mystery and an actually meaningful fight.
>>284651807Pandamon was a better two parter than the daddy issues thing, if only because there was some degree of character progress despite the cop out ending. NightChiropmon was just Makoto saying I'm not trying hard enough while the Gekkomon two parter felt like that one Medabots episode where Metabee went full tard and got wrecked by Sumilodon but worse, then conveniently reconciling when a bad guy drops convenient fodder feat some subtle as a brick symbolism.
>>284658313Jesus Christ you're insufferable. This isn't discussion at this stage, this is just petty nitpicking because you got upset at how the arc concluded.
>>284658311>The investment in the scene comes from the investment in the characters -- chiefly Gekkomon and Tomoro since its their focus episode.Well, I've already seen Tomoro wallow in self pity and make amends with Gekkomon before, this is just the same being rehashed. I was on board with it for the first 8 episodes, by now it had outstayed its welcome. Needed a better framing with a better, more meaningful opponent than "Literally whatever, what's the new intern's favourite Digimon? Just shove that in".Again, I am and have constantly been aware that this episode sets up things for the future. This is not relevant to what I have been saying, that the enemy here does a disservice to the episode.
>>284658452You'd be better off dropping the show.
>>284654835Both, especially the latter. Digimon attracts pseuds due to Pokemon and lesser toy series (Medabots, Bakugan, Beyblade) being too toyetic, YGO being too inherently unserious even when you watch it in Japanese, and Gundam is mecha, which has a variation of YGO's stigma, and being even more polarizing to gaijin ever since Gundam 00's second season.
>>284658483...Because I don't think it's perfect? If I dropped every show I thought had flaws in it, I couldn't watch anything. What an odd thing to say.
>>284658512Because you don't understand it.
>>284649198>it's stupid chuuni wankReturn to >>>/vp/
>>284658593I understand it plenty. Just because I understand what they were going for doesn't mean I have to agree with it.I wonder, do we have some sort of fundamental disagreement here? Like, do you disagree that it is good when characters have agency or personality in the way I've described? Do you think that the episode would've been worse if instead of MarineBullmon we'd've gotten some other enemy that satisfied my grievances?This isn't a gotcha question or trying to trick you into admitting some sort of defeat or to concede any point, I'm honestly curious and trying to find out what we actually disagree on. Like, why do you oppose me here? You're very keen to insult me but I'm not sure why. What are you advocating for here and why is what I'm advocating for so objectionable?
>>284658452>Well, I've already seen Tomoro wallow in nigger cum and make amends with Gekkomon beforeYou've seen Tomoro slowly warming up to Gekkomon, this episode finally has Tomoro fully accepting Gekkomon as family to both him AND Asuka something he was keen to keep seperate initially. It also has Tomoro acknowledge that he was tsundere towards Gekkomon because Gekkomon represents the parts of himself he dislikes especially how he used to act towards his own brother -- this arcs back to Makoto's words of how digimon reflect the owner. You having a problem with this is, like, your own problem man.>Needed a better framing with a better, more meaningful opponent than "Literally whatever, what's the new intern's favourite Nigger cum? Just shove that in".What the fuck does this even mean in the context of the show so far? It being MarinBullmon or some other digimon didn't matter because it was part of the impetus for Gekkomon and Tomoro to reconcile and mature like I said previously. The focus was Tomoro and Gekkomon's relationship, the secondary focus was introducing Genjo -- who was behind the attack -- and continuing the mystery started in episode 2 with Gokuumon -- who is owned by Genjo.>Again, I am and have constantly been aware that this episode sets up things for the futureNo you don't because you're keen on being retarded. If you understood the fucking episode then you wouldn't be a retarded copypasting faggot arguing in circles that only serve to highlight how you don't actually understand jack fucking shit.
>>284651356BTW, is there a Digimon that is an Ultraman expy?
>>284659023Anon, the entire point is that the enemy that makes this all happen is badly written, badly built up and neither side has any agency when it comes to their fight. You can continue to cope and cry about it if you want to, but that's not going to change reality.
>>284659023Why are you this upset over something so inconsequential?
>>284659062Surprisingly enough, there isn't any specifically Ultraman-inspired Digimon. Justimon definitely feels like he takes a few design cues from the Ultras but he's more of a Kamen Rider reference
>>284658819>do we have some sort of fundamental disagreement here?You understand nothing regarding MarineBullmon's inclusion. Others have repeatedly pointed this out to you, but you've continued to stubbornly argue your point and refuse in any way to accept you've misunderstood what's happened.>Like, do you disagree that it is good when characters have agency or personality in the way I've described? There is no necessity for MarineBullmon to have "agency" or a personality in this scenario. Any personality it had was overridden by Kanada overloading the Sapotama. Same thing would have applied to any of the Digimon we've seen in previous episodes being utilised.>Do you think that the episode would've been worse if instead of MarineBullmon we'd've gotten some other enemy that satisfied my grievances?The Digimon used is irrelevant because the outcome would remain the same.
>>284659571Anon, the entire point is that the enemy that makes this all happen is badly written, badly built up and neither side has any agency when it comes to their fight. You can continue to cope and cry about it if you want to, but that's not going to change reality.
>>284659701>>>/vg/551020826
>>284659701Why are you copypasting posts between this thread and the Digimon general on /vg/?
>>284647420The explorers vs the five star, which are better?
>>284659790we haven't gotten that far yet
>>284659743>>284659756Does that mean it's wrong? I'm noticing your refusing to argue and instead just going on about irrelevant things.
>>284659900It's fucking bizarre behaviour to replicate posts from one thread into another like that.
>>284659957How about actually refuting what the posts say?
>>284660055You refuse to see it from any other viewpoint. No point prolonging this discussion whatsoever.
