People who took anime seriously are disappearing. Blogs, articles, online debates, and the culture built around accumulating knowledge about the medium are currently in their death throes, and are now essentially kept alive by a small handful of people in their thirties on mainstream social networks like Twitter. This facet of the culture is genuinely coming to an end, and younger generations don’t seem eager to take up the torch. How does that make you feel?
goodanime going mainstream was a mistake
So said someone in the 70s, and the 80s, the 90s, the 2000s and the 2010s.
>>284657939Good. Fuck your art. Let anime just be cute, funny, cool or sexy.
Discussion and conversation have shrunk into hidey-holes on discord, locked away from anyone not willing to participate on that platform. Add in that the explosion of long-form edited video essays stopped people from learning how to write cleanly/in a funny and attention catching way, and it's no surprise that these blogs have slowly died out as the newer gen does things the way they were taught from their start in the medium. I stumbled on a blog that was sort of poorly written but it was endearing to still have a blog in this day and age so I've been following and replying when I remember to check.
Dont worry anon we will have many hour long essays made by anitubers that have researched for hours in chatgpt with half the info being wrong and half the runtime being sad blogs about how this anime gave them confort after being abused by their parents :)
>>284657939What do you mean by 'seriously'? Documenting its history? What anime production actually looks like? Just criticism of specific anime/genre? The post is too vague to actually say anything.
>>284658076I've mostly switched to discord and smaller communities after bots and psyops ruined places like 4chan. You can't really use the open communities any more because they're flooded with bots, or ruined by echo chambers and shitty mods.It's kind of a pain dealing with several scanlator channels to follow stuff but it is what it is.
>>284657939The elite few who care on that level have always been dwarfed by casual fans.
It was a really sad day when I discovered that the domain for Anipages had expired.
>>284658126I think it's pretty easy to assume that OP means whatever handful of attempts at academic discussion on anime exists in English.
>>284658204I assume it's this, and the perception of the disappearance of this kind of content (not just related to anime) is a function of the explosion in the numbers of casuals followings widespread internet adoption, rather than a serious diminution of their absolute numbers
>>284658126There are different ways of taking something seriously, which is why the statement remains vague. Criticism, an interest in history, or an interest in the production system are all ways of taking the medium seriously. Taking something seriously simply means investing oneself in it in a non-superficial way, seeing it as something worthy of a certain expenditure of energy, rather than as mere entertainment whose value goes no further than amusing us, laughing about it through memes, or engaging in discussions aimed solely at socializing with others on the basis of a shared form of entertainment.
>>284658318I kind of know a lot of nerdy stuff of how the manga industry works, how to find sales numbers, how much sales a series need to avoid the axe for several magazines, wage of a mangaka and stuff like that.It's nice to know but not exactly necessary to enjoy reading manga.But it kind of bothers me once in a while when people don't have the faintest idea of how the manga industry works.
>>284658254If some academic came out with a definitive 'history of anime and manga up to date XXXX', or whatever, that would be valuable, but academic critiques on fiction otherwise have always just been circlejerking. 1200 page book documenting where anime came from and how Toei and Mushipro battled it out for the future of anime and beyond, fun. 12 page article about interpreting Hayao Miyazaki's films through the lens of Japan's post-war national ethos and intellectual development, I'd rather drink gasoline. >>284658318They're very different types of serious that lead to different places. There are certainly a ton of strongly opinionated anime fans out there today that will argue all day about the merits or demerits of any series or franchise. That is a constant. If you think that those posters are just morons so it doesn't count, most professional or academic critics aren't much better, just more literate. Documentation on the history or evolution of anime or its production has always been shitty and mostly reliant on hearsay and google translated articles or interviews from Japan.
>>284657939There was nothing more to be said about the medium. You can only talk about Osamu Dezaki for the millionth time before it gets stale.
>>284657967It's funny how you think you aren't the casual compared to those who actually try to learn about the thing they enjoy.
>>284657939Victims of mainstreaming. This was prophesied.>>284657967Indeed, brother.>>284658008And they were right.
>>284658416Yeah, most academic stuff around anime misses the mark pretty badly. There was neat stuff in Azuma’s Otaku book and some good history resources but a lot of it is jerking off about politics.
>>284658428One of the annoying things about anime writers who think they're smart is how much they worship the 60s and 70s. You see it in the manga world where people think they're geniuses for talking about the shittiest and most boring Garo one-shots ever written because they were 'counter-culture' 60 years ago.
>>284657939you could link a blog you like if you actually felt this and wanted it to changethat's not what you (or the people you have hovering around this thread) want though, is it op.
>>284657939Mature anime has always been the exception though. I don´t mean juvenile anime full of dark themes, blood and sex; i mean the anime that were created believing animation was a valid a medium to tell stories as any other so it dared to address more complex topics. Those´ve never been the rule but the exception. The masses have always been simple minded and entry level entertaining anime like battle shonens have always been more popular than the 2deep4you ones.
>>284658500Deep divers do that often with a lot of mediums. It seems to stem from the desire to promote more obscure stuff and a common mindset that influence makes for more valuable art.
>>284657939I mean this is true in general of all hobbies.Be it anime, card games, video games, table top games, movies, TV in general, all blogs, articles and culture around it has slowly been dying off on the internet due to the rising cost to host a site and the complete computer illiteracy of the modern internet user. Youth would rather just watch a 30 minute inaccurate youtube video than read a blog post that'd take 20 minutes to read on the subject.Nothing to do with interest in anime declining in any meaningful way.
>>284658416I wasn’t talking about quality, but simply about intention. If my point had been that things were becoming mediocre, I would have understood your response, but I was merely pointing out that the people who took this medium seriously are disappearing, regardless of whether their seriousness resulted in high-quality output or not. I’ve observed that the vast majority of blogs, academic articles, and books revolving around anime or otaku culture more broadly date back to the 1995–2015 period, and that since then there has been an increasingly noticeable lack of production on these subjects. For a high-quality 1200 page book on the history of the medium to come into existence, a community of people interested in producing that kind of work would have had to be sustained, and the intentions driving the desire to create such content would have needed to remain strong, yet that no longer seems to be the case.
>>284657939What else is there really to do outside of reeducating new people? Anime is young enough and small enough that the broad strokes of history have been laid out. I’m sure there’s some good info left to unearth but it’s largely done.If anything, these eggheads should focus on getting more work translated. It’s 2025 and Tetsuwan Atom/Astro Boy isn’t subbed.
>>284658245At the end of the day, the most dangerous thing for these websites is that the owner gets tired of writing for them, moves on, and just lets the domain expire. Thank God for the Wayback Machine though.
>>284657939>How does that make you feel?GoodZoomers dont deserve anything good, retarded fucking generation that will destroy the world
>>284658820I’d be really interested to learn about the people who do backgrounds, especially in the analogue age.
>>284658126I get the impression OP is either a bot farming engagement or someone who mistakenly thinks whatever vibes he's feeling at any moment is some deep commentary on the state of the world or some shit. Even the image he chose is weirdly thoughtless. Is there something specific around anime encyclopedias that prompted this feeling? Why choose some shitty ant sized image where you can't even read the text of the image? Why is it always so hard to get people like OP to specify any real examples?
>>284658820Limiting oneself to studying works from forty years ago and passing that knowledge on to new generations is a mistake. Thousands of works have been produced since then that deserve the same level of analytical care. Japanese society and production methods have changed completely, the medium is in constant evolution, and people settle for awkwardly repeating the same things that were said decades ago without taking the time to produce new academic work on emerging forms of content and emerging social assemblages.
>>284658245>Anipages deadYou know what puzzles me?That nobody in the modern "sakuga community" cared enough to make attempts at preserving the blog. You'd think they'd care a little more given that that's where a fuckload of people were introduced to a more serious way of appreciating anime (in the 2000s and early 10s), but it died and they just moved on.
>>284657939No they aren't retard
>>284658761You're right, but that is down to anime exploding in popularity so there's less to write about to 'teach' others. You write a blog about what anime is or something about an anime director that you enjoy when you expect others to not know them. No one is going to write a big post about Frieren, when everyone and their brother has watched that anime. I read one of the types of books you're talking about (written a bit later but of the type), The Citi Exhibition on Manga. Art show turned into a documentary on manga. Not anime, but there's plenty of crossover.But it was basically relying on the reader to be unfamiliar with series like Golden Kamuy or authors like Hagio Moto. But well, more people are familiar with those these days than ever before. Drawn and Quarterly relies on that newfound popularity and familiarity for their entire business model. Because of that, you're not going to see another book made about the topic any time soon because there's too much familiarity and knowledge. It isn't interesting. Nobody is interested in something everyone already knows.
>>284659011If there were em dashes I'd think he was just LLM farming for replies.
>>284659011I’m talking about an intention, namely the intention or desire to take the medium seriously. An encyclopedia devoted to Japanese animation seems to me to be fairly representative of that intention. Its discourse on the subject matters little, which is why its illegibility is largely irrelevant, given that my point primarily targets an intention rather than the qualitative outcomes that result from it. In that sense, how is it thoughtless?
It feels like my generation of anime fans are mostly gone. Yes, most millennials started with DBZ/Sailor Moon or close. But I'm talking about the guys who watched fansubs during the Haruhi era or before. I don't really see them around anymore. Their MAL pages(hey they watched 200 days and 800 titles back in 2016) haven't been logged in in years. Are you guys who were around during Haruhi in 2006. Did you all stop? It's depressing.
>>284658500To be fair though, anime wouldn't have survived this far without Astroboy and Sailor moon
>>284659137Everyone has seen Evangelion yet that doesn't stop people from offering their interpretations. Depending on how deep the medium/artwork goes, there will be plenty of exegeses to write, possibly forever (if the continued existence of philology is any indication).
Some people have touched on it in the thread, but I also really enjoy hearing people talk about the birth and faustering of the anime community in the West and its translatuin and development over the 80's and 90's, eras before my time and the people who in all actuality helped anime to become a thing in the West. Went to a panel a few years back at a con where a woman in her late 50's talked about the developement of tape trading in the EU and all of the competing fan zines that circulated in the 80's and early 90's, including the establishing of various companies who went from translating for fun to subbing and dubbing officially with Japanese contacts. It was really insightful on where the medium came from for Western fans and the fandom pre-explosion with streaming (or torrenting too).
It’s been long enough now that I think 90s and 00s anime should be looked at as history instead of something we obviously all lived through. Younger people are receptive to older stuff if it gets presented to them.
>>284659279Sure, but they're hardly interesting. Particularly today when you can just google "Anno Evangelion Interview" and get a bunch of word of god about why things were the way they were, how production collapsed repeatedly and how that inspired a lot of directorial choices that otherwise wouldn't have been made, etc. It takes the magic out of the equation some. Its interesting, but it also means that people reading the tea leaves for meaning can be looking for somewhere there isn't much.
>>284659199Nah, I'm still here and kicking, but I consume far less than I did back then because it was a lot easier to do so with less shit to do in life as a teen and early 20's guy. I'll say that I made a push with a few friends to do a weekly anime night where we go out to eat together and then go back to one of our places to watch a smattering of shows that we each pick. Been a lot of fun. Past that, I'm just personally picky with what I watch and don't really keep up with seasonals.
>>284659348There's been a crazy resurgance of Chobits at all the cons I go to. It's not SUPER popular, but I've seen a lot of Chii cosplays and quite a few prints in the artist alley of her.
>>284659315Western fandom history offers little to no insight on anime itself.
>>284658154Echo chambers and shitty mods?Sounds like discord
>>284659348No, I'm too busy impotently seething about zoomers everyday on this website to actually sit down and interact with them positively.
>>284659351Anon, do you think commentary on Joyce's work doesn't exist because the writer himself was available for interviews and talked about his process? What part of this aren't you getting?
>>284659410Maybe I just have some fondness for the people who worked to introduce it to me, so that kind of stuff is also interesting.
>>284659492I don't think commentary existing is the same thing as that commentary being worth reading.
>>284659137I actually think it would be relevant to write something on Frieren, its popularity doesn’t really affect that. When Evangelion came out, many academics and bloggers rushed to engage with it, even though the work was already immensely popular. There is probably a lot to say about Frieren, notably where the anime sits within the literary tradition of medieval fantasy, its handling of pacing, its deliberate attempt to distance itself from isekai productions in the same way A24 has chosen to distance itself from typical horror productions, and the sociological reasons behind its success. There is work to be done on it, just as there is work to be done on most recent works.
>>284659524medium.Whether something is worth reading is inherently subjective. A political analysis of a work might not be worth reading for someone concerned exclusively with film methodology, and vice versa. That is why I wanted to avoid discussing the quality of the productions resulting from taking the medium seriously.
>>284659708Sure, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that. But that is also the reason why you see far less of that stuff today than in the past. The knowledge is more widespread, and that means that analyses that are built off of extrapolating imperfect knowledge are not interesting to readers and therefore don't get as many writers.
>>284659708I wasn’t talking about imperfect knowledge of a subject, but about the diversity of themes addressed. You dismissed the productions surrounding Evangelion at its release as if they were uninteresting, yet they were extremely popular and contributed significantly to the image people have of Evangelion today. The Evageeks forum likely would never have existed without the numerous Freudian or Hegelian analyses of the work, its aesthetic innovations, and its role in depicting a new youth that emerged after Japan’s economic depression. People are actually highly receptive to such analyses and historical contextualization, which explains the success of “anitubers.” If consumers today are content with parodies of essays, it is simply because more rigorous essays no longer exist and no longer even have the intention of being produced.
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>>284657967>the good response to anime going mainstream is anti-intellectualism, as a result of the majority conversation being purely mainstreamAre people here retarded
>>284658559>you could link a blog you like if you actually felt this and wanted it to changeWhy would anyone do that on 4chan lolBest case scenario is that nobody even clicks on itWorst case is that you send a bunch of children to spam whoever the blogger is until they leave the internetThere is no positive change from "linking a blog" or anything here. You only invite despair.
>>284660076Yes, I want it to be something disrespected that keeps normalfags like you away.
>>284660176>keeps normalfags awayThat's not at all how that works retard.Normalfags peddle lowbrow discourse. They thrive in it, normalfags aren't attracted to like, academic papers or the blogosphere or whatever. This really just makes you sound like a normalfag pretending to be something you aren't.
>>284660139Nobody uses this place, you moron. It's dying. The days of sending children or bots to fuck something up for fun are over.
>>284660210I want anime to go back and be known as creepy pervert cartoons again.
>>284660176I’m not sure if you’re aware, but intellectualization tends to push normies away, especially when it is rigorous and requires a certain intellectual background to understand. Non-elitist and often looked-down-upon domains like hip hop, punk, reality TV shows, video games, and the like have always attracted a growing number of normies, simply because they are easily accessible and demand little effort. In fact, the “loser” aspect of anime has massively contributed to its recent popularity among zoomers, particularly with e-girls romanticizing this facet of the culture.
>>284660270Well the issue is that the only people here now are (mentally) children or bots.
>>284660282So to do that, you're fighting for anti-intellectualism which only pushes more normalfag adoption of the medium.I imagine your favourite anime are some basic shit and you romanticize the idea of getting bullied for liking anime (you liked Naruto and were retarded as a child).
>>284660015>The Evageeks forum likely would never have existed without the numerous Freudian or Hegelian analyses of the work, its aesthetic innovations, and its role in depicting a new youth that emerged after Japan’s economic depression.That is fine, but someone getting into Evangelion today can read interviews with the staff that show how a lot of it was written last minute and that basically nothing of the series was planned out and a lot of imagery was used for aesthetic purposes rather than to communicate philosophy. Of course you could argue that the cast and crew were being overly deferential and self-deprecating, and possibly be correct. But just the same, that is where it stops for a lot of people that are just interested in knowing, 'what was the director thinking', and not going farther than that point. Evageeks was important. Today it isn't important to someone that watches Evangelion on Netflix because they heard it was good. It isn't needed to find out the 'why' behind Evangelion to the extent that people are interested. I enjoy Fromsoft's Souls games, so I know for sure what a community built around theorycrafting and analysis can look like and how much fun people have with it. I've had fun doing it myself. But I also know that would all go away tomorrow if Hidetaka Miyazaki and crew came out and talked about the development story and went into detail about how they slapped together characters and item descriptions at the last second because they had a deadline and ultimately most of any given game wasn't that deep. That isn't a bad thing, fanfiction built around a reader's analysis is interesting to people that are looking for an explanation, but as more info comes out about any given media property and it becomes more well known, there is less need or desire for it. People read analyses like that not to their own ends, but as explanations in lack of something more official.
>>284657939Anime when i was young was so much better tgan current anime and it makes me sad
>>284659562>its deliberate attempt to distance itself from isekai productions in the same way A24 has chosen to distance itself from typical horror productionsI disagree with that, other than the premise being post-hero's quest, where most isekai start before the finale (except for revenge isekai that are often post-quest). Otherwise the story really doesn't demonstrate much self-consciousness regarding similarity to typical isekai fantasy. The character tropes used are almost the same. The aesthetic is almost the same. The slow wandering plot is hardly unique. Frieren doesn't acknowledge isekai fantasy directly, but also doesn't have much worry about appearing too much like it.
>>284660287It's possible to academically "gentrify" a medium, although by the time that happens the medium itself is usually long dead. Academics are like maggots or vultures or other animals that feed on dead or dying carcasses. Scholarship in general is like that, it lacks vitality. I think the best response to art is to make more art.
>>284660334Cultural productions do not belong to the people who create them, but to those who appropriate them and give them meaning. What the Evangelion team has to say about Evangelion is not worthless, but it pales in comparison to everything written on the subject by students who are far more knowledgeable and insightful in their aesthetic analyses.
>>284660287Bullshit, normalfags only claim for be fans for socializing while bitching about "distasteful" fanservice, tropes and loli along with their actual audience or creators. You know nothing about "critical consumer" faggots tolerating Monogatari just because of everything else.
Sounds like internet centralization issue rather than fandom specific
>>284660439This, or all they watch are AoT, Naruto, HxH, MHA, and dare not to dwell any further.If anything, people know of stuff like Iruma because of me personally
>>284660434That death of the author appeal is basically impossible to actually justify outside of a solipsistic view. Art is not really a dialog, it is a monologue or chorus of monologues that the audience interprets idiosyncratically. But the idiosyncratic interpretations don't change the actual process or meaning that went into the art in the first place. You can't learn more about a piece of art than its creators.
>>284657939Do people genuinely read articles about some retard criticizing an anime series? Like who is the target audience for this crap?
>>284660487>You can't learn more about a piece of art than its creators.that's stupid
>>284660523How is that stupid?
>>284660301This thread is no exception.
but we've got mal
>>284660487A work of art is a network actor, as such, one can undeniably know more about a work than its creator. If someone produces a work that falls within the cubist movement without knowing what cubism is, their work is no less cubist for that reason. Simply by being an actor participating in what cubism produces in terms of social impact, cultural influence, and discourse. Whether Evangelion was originally a poor work or philosophically dense in the mind of its creators matters little, it has been socially constructed through various social discourses, and it is these diverse social discourses that have made the work what it is, for the simple and good reason that everything is defined by the way society views it and by the impact it has on that society.
>>284660708Hell no, art exists as an expression of the intentions of those that made it. Those intentions could be poor, or poorly expressed they could look similar, even unintentionally, to those of someone else, they could be misinterpreted by an audience, but they always exist independently of the audience. Even art that is deliberately conversational, like a live radio host or a work that asks for viewers to vote on decisions being made, still is a monologue of sorts. The socially constructed meaning of art among the audience later is irrelevant to the art's actual meaning. The original creator still was dictatorial when making the art.
>>284657939We had our time and we can live in small communities perfectly, my close group of friends are all like me and we talk about anime quite a bit, the internet is dead and it's not worth losing your time trying to talk seriously about anime online, tldr make some friends, the internet nowadays is 80% pajeets and chinks.
>>284660332No, I found my peers annoying, hated them and peacefully kept to my own interests, like it should be. I don't care what slop it takes to go back to when this shit stayed away. Fuck being taken seriously by self important faggots that believe anything playfully meant to titillate straight men is a legitimate flaw objectively dragging it down "as a work of art".
>>284657939Whatever, those twitter people aren't worth much either to be honest. Maybe wait for the younger people to hit their 30s if you care so much.Personally I'm glad about the amount of new translations and releases were getting and being able to talk about those old works every now and then, as small as that talk might be. I don't see the current situation in death throes, just a niche that gets drown out by the growth of mainstream anime.
>>284660839>I got mine, that means I don't need to care about anything or pay attention to anything but I still felt like contributing to the discussion :^)
>>284660785That's a rather rigid misunderstanding of art.
>>284661524It is an understanding of art that doesn't treat the consumer like god. Historically, critics are obsessively self-aggrandizing because otherwise no one would ever listen to them. That has resulted in this inane claim where art creators are secondary to art consumers in terms of imparting the meaning behind the art they created. This is simply nonsensical and is built off a deliberate effort to bolster the position of critics vis a vis the meaning of art itself.
>>284657939Good riddance. Sounds like a bunch of pretentious nerds talking about nothing and using big words to make themselves look smart. And they probably were only doing that as a coping mechanism for having an embarrassing hobby. Now that anime is mainstream and everyone realized that anime creators are just horny loser hacks much like their fanbase this behavior lost its appeal.
>>284658429>who actually try to learn about the thing they enjoyIf by enjoy you mean going off the mark and spelling bullshit like Ano was anti-christian or Ghost Stories flopped at Japan thus the english dub then no. They are not better
>>284660282This>>284660287>In fact, the “loser” aspect of anime has massively contributed to its recent popularity among zoomers, particularly with e-girls romanticizing this facet of the culture.Lmaotheyre just wearing it for attention the same way they wear their slutty outfits or makeup
2deep4u pretentious analytical dives have always been for fart-huffers. It would be akin to trying to make a deep sociological analysis of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. A real interesting dive would be a documentary on the actual production of japanimation having largely left Japanese studios to be done by koreans or sum shit like that.
>>284660505It was more worthwhile back in the day before "criticizing" just meant bitching about fanservice and "outdated" tropes and culture.
Why do fake fans care about ecchi and fanservice so much?
it will always be in my heart
I'm actively searching for anime Blogspots from 15-20 years ago. People were so innocent back then.Stunted, yes. You people wouldn't stomach a single word they type without immediately calling the author a faggot. I think I'm gonna take pride in the fact that I write, think and live my life just like they did back then. https://youtu.be/roPQ_M3yJTA?si=4uD5dCXU4-TV3VG2
>>284663345Kirino and Marin would hate this retarded bitch.
>>284663883Social media culture conditioned them into walking on eggshells and constantly remind everyone that they're good people, especially by pointing out others that are being bad people and making it clear they don't approve.
>>284663951Post examples?
>>284661202>argues for anti-intellectualism to fight against pockets of people who predominately exist within the anti-intellectual spaces he advocates forYou do realize there are entire scholarly papers on moe, shotacon, lolicon, anime girls, etc., right? And that it isn't just "fanservice bad", right?You've completely convinced me that you're a normalfag who barely watches or talks about anime though.
>>284664053And you can't write those anymore without the university unpersoning you for wrongthink.
Who cares? They were hotbeds of misinformation and "I'm the only who can translate it so you have to believe what I say!". Every series "flopped in japan", was "secretly about distaste for anime consumers" or "was a subversion of expectations!"I've learnt more from translating random twitter posts in the last few years than I have from any english speaking blogsite.
>>284664060Actually, people still do write them. In fact, I referenced one where the guy only got 'unpersoned' months after the fact and it was because his paper included asides about how he jerked off to shota doujinshi for 'research'. I know most people here are in high school, but academia isn't some big scary place. Thousands of English academic papers on media are written every year, they're not going after people talking about the contours of fan service or whatever.
>>284664115> guy only got 'unpersoned' months after the fact and it was because his paper included asides about how he jerked off to shota doujinshi for 'research'.>they're not going after people talking about the contours of fan service or whateverThey're clearly going after people that aren't toeing the line.An academic paper on fanservice written by some fag that thinks it's not okay to fap to "underage" anime girls is very unlikely to be of any real value.
>>284664240>An academic paper on fanservice written by some fag that thinks it's not okay to fap to "underage" anime girls is very unlikely to be of any real value.The issue isn't the morality, the issue is including your own sexual experiences with the material as citation and advertising what you've done through your paper.
>>284664240Dude, the view that lolicon is a bad thing has nothing to do with academia, it’s simply the opinion of anyone who doesn’t masturbate to lolicon.
>>284664377>not fapping to lolisYou sound gay
>>284664115Uhh, it doesn't look like Karl Andersson was unpersoned for doing PhD "research" on shotacon pornography. The shota thing got attention in 2022, but just last year he published this gem.
>>284664449I was saying that as someone who masturbates to loli
>>284664475And people think academia is dead
>>284664019"Fake fans" means people who view anime as a vehicle to satisfy their sexual urges and little else. Ecchi fans, lolicons of a certain breed. The subhumans you see crying about censorship also fall under this category. Their assertions are correct (censorship has no place in the medium) but they arrive at these conclusions for the wrong reasons.
>>284664475Sounds worth checking out.
>>284657939Toren Smith is dead but Freddie Schodt is still alive
>>284664525there is no wrong reason to be against censorship, fag
>>284664571Are you in favor of censoring people who mocked Charlie Kirk's death, like all those people who are “against censorship”?
>>284664053Nothing I've posted screams "normalfag", let alone just for not reading some articles, you pretentious faggot.I don't even need some essay about what my entertainment is actually worth DESPITE how it looks on the surface or what insecure snobs it attracts.
>>284664075>subversionThis was a classic. Everything was a subversion, with the reference material being some anime that never existed. Maybe some half-remembered American Saturday Morning Cartoon like GI Joe. >evangelion is a subversion because it was about people and not the mechs!>gundam? no, I haven't watched that yet.
>>284664571>there is no wrong reason to be against censorshipIt is when those reasons are incredibly flimsy. They do not stem from a deep appreciation of the medium and a commitment to art. Thus you can expect them to remain silent when something they don't personally like is attacked. Theirs is not a principled stand against censorship, they're just porn addicts.
>>284664525"Fake fans" are anyone I don't like.
evangelion was a subversion because it was about hideki anno pressuring asuka's seiyuu to suck his cock but she shot him down so he took a steaming shit on asuka the character
>>284664525Kill yourself.
>>284664721>porn addictsOpinion discarded.
>>284664752>>284664905>>284664952
>>284657967This is happening because anime went mainstream
>>284664671Crazy how an entire generation of bad takes about eva/gundam were finally met by anno working on a gundam series and it's the most double fisted enthusiastic deepthroating of every nostalgia bait element physically possible.>>284664871I heard he killed one of the voice actors to get the most realistic performance possible.
>>284660176Anime always wokeOsamu Tezuka, father of anime and manga was socialist and anti-nazi
>>284665166>immediately thinks NazisThis is why everyone hates you. Kill yourself.
>>284664019"tourist" "fake fans" are dumb orientalist weeb speak for anyone who gives even the slightest criticism of either:Anime culture/the anime industryorJapanese cultural conservatism as a whole
>>284664075I'm still really pissed about hearing that kind of thing about Evangelion for years, finally watching it myself and promptly discovering that ALL this "Anno hates nerds and nerdy shit!!!!" stuff was completely made up. Dumbass niggers were spreading lies on the internet for decades.
>>284665206You can criticize anime and Japanese politics while also calling out fake fans who think only with their penises.
>>284665166Ikki Kawajiri, the father of shonen manga, was a right wing street thug who happened to also write manga. Yoshihiro Tatsumi, the father of adult manga, wrote heavily about how the left in Japan was a failure.
>>284665356As we know, nobody on the left has ever written about the left being a failure.Nobody on the right has ever written about the right being a failure.Nobody working in the anime industry has ever deemed anime a mistake.And nobody on 4chan has ever considered 4chan a waste of time.
>>284657939Maybe if you stopped calling my favorite anime garbage I would be willing to debate at heart more.
>>284665356I knew he was a delinquent, but where did you read that he was right-wing?
>>284664115>>284664475>Karl AnderssonAnd his supervisor Dr Sharon Kinsella apparently specialized in lolicon subculture. It's too funny for someone to make it up. Anyway, after public outrage, the journal retracted his paper and the university expelled him from his PhD program.
>>284665577100% guarantee you that Kinsella is only able to continue her research on lolicon because she is a woman and "women can do no wrong".
>>284657939>People who took anime seriously are disappearingpeople on reddit are still typing 1,000+ word essays on Hyouka and unlike blogging which was probably never economically viable, (unless your writing caught the attention of a large publication, that was hiring) there's actually people who earn a living narrating tl;dr contemplations on episodic anime via youtube.reputable newspapers such as the guardian will host reviews of animated films at the very leastbut sure, anime blogs have gotten much less prominent, randomcuriosity has continued publishing articles on seasonal anime since I was a teenager for example and is still ongoing, though just from eyeballing it feels as though engagement has dropped, while other prominent blogs such as thecartdriver have been discontinued.
>>284665577>after public outrage, the journal retracted his paper and the university expelled him from his PhD program.I hate this gay world.
>>284664608Celebrating someone's murder is a perfectly good reason to ostracize someone from polite society, actually. Anyone who celebrated Rob Reiner deserves the same.
>>284665569Kajiwara (I dunno how I fucked that up in the first post), was good friends with a number of major LDP members and published comics in the Komeito party's magazine (which is a Buddhist semitheocratic party). He was also known to be in tight with some Yakuza.
>>284665777Celebrating the execution of fascists is how polite society is maintained
>>284665777Unless that person happens to be Osama bin Laden, right?
>>284665692No, it's probably because she didn't write about her experience masturbating to loli porn as "research" in her papers.https://www.kinsellaresearch.com/articles/Cuties%20in%20Japan.pdfhttps://www.kinsellaresearch.com/articles/Fetishism.pdf
>>284665805People didn't really celebrate that. He was a complete has-been at the time.
>>284659413If you gonna be like that, why bother having friends, they're just an echo chamber for you.
>>284665846Good friends challenge your ideas.
>>284665862And they can do it over discord
>>284664721"Principles" are merely instruments of manipulation. No interest is more legitimate than the desire to maintain access to pleasure.
>>284659060There are archives of it via the Wayback Machine, although trying to find any specific article is a pain in the ass since the search function is broken.Also, if I'm being honest, I had no idea that Ben Ettinger was just never going to come back.
it's pretty funny how so much of the behavior on this board can be explained by picrel
>>284664475Based.
>>284665807She could have gotten away with it if she so desired.
>>284658494>>284665992QRD?? I can't read anything that isn't an LN/WN anymore
>>284666057>QRD??No.
>>284665992I don't think the tourists that frequent this board have anywhere near the level of engagement necessary to really be considered plugged into the database. Now early 4chan ecology itself on the other hand, pure database based experience.
>>284666109Tbdesu, I think they're more into a different database entirely. One where the only "nodes" that pop up are either relevant to sakuga shonenshit or their favorite ecchi tag (e.g. all the fetish threads that don't even talk about the works they post)
>>284659279Oh god, it's a Tucker botTechnology went too far, it's actually fucking over
>>284666278I'm afraid to tell you that Tucker was modeled after real people and those real people visit /a/ from time to time.
>>284657939Is it just anime? I don't want to go much further off-topic, but it seems people are caring less across the board.
>>284666344They are. People don't make blogs any more, they make discords where they can circlejerk ephemerally in private, neither educating others with their knowledge or getting educated or challenged by commenters.
>>284660176That's not how normalfags work. Call of Duty is just goyslop and yet normalfags still love it.
Anyone else remember when waifufag was a term of derision?
>>284666278Did you post on the wrong board by mistake? This post makes no sense.
>>284666485Or moecancer
>>284658500I'll gladly take them over retards that think watching black and white films by itself is pretentious.
High quality thread. I think Tiktok and X heavily contributed to this because these spaces encourage engagement over quality. At least Youtube supports long-form videos.
>>284658009>anon started watching anime in the 2000's
>>284666695Honestly, I think video is still the worst form of expressing an idea compared to the written word. A picture is worth a thousand words and with a 10 minute 24fps video essay, you could have written a full length essay instead
>>284666732retard
>>284666732It's not ideal, but it's still better than short-form videos and tweets when it comes to expressing ideas.
People used to watch anime, because they were social outcasts, so they took it more personally, thus more seriously. More prone to learn Japanese or check how things are done. Nowadays newfag tourists watch anime, because it's considered cool. All started during pandemic, when all these normies had more free time to laze around at home and watched shit on Netflix.>>284658009It will be less and less sexy to fit wider audience taste. It will be more and more like shitty western animation, because more people will be prone to watch something familiar to they. Even now we have much less fanservice and ecchi, because normies don't want it.
>>284666801>All started during pandemicIt started before you were ever born kid. It's always hilarious when you tourists regurgitate this stupid bullshit about the pandemic.
>>284666838He's right in that the pandemic saw a large tick in anime viewing among normalfags.I started seeing way more anime car stickers/license plates after 2020.
>>284664671Gundam 0079 invented the real robot genre as a subversion of the super robot genre
>>284666989Japan invented anime as a subversion of cartoons.
>>284667017The United States invented cartoons as a subversion of newspaper comics.
>>284667028Newspaper comics were invented as a subversion of magazine cartoons
The blogs where anyone knew what they were talking about were almost non existent in the west. The people I used to read are literally dead. They were old dudes involved in really early licensing deals, fansubs, and conventions. Those fags occasionally had something interesting to say, the people who saw inside the sausage factory and once in a while got shitfaced with monkeypunch and tezuka. The only other people who knew anything were turbo weebs who ended up in actual Japanese Academia, but they were less fun to listen to. Shit like, say, wavemotioncanon had powerlevels of like 5 by comparison. This knowledge you're talking about, I've never seen it from the web era millennials. Even the zoomers shamelessly copypasting sakuga stuff they read in Japanese to me have more knowledge.
>>284667299Please give specific examples of each category of fan you mentioned. You say you've been around for a while so it shouldn't be hard to provide evidence.
>>284657939Good fucking riddance. The best things in anime came from people having fun with it.Nobody ever really gave a fuck about taking the medium seriously, except for a few influencer spergs circle jerking online.
>>284667360THANK YOU.
>>284658009can't be both, damn it, Why the hell can't I watch something serious one day and then watch lolis doing cute things the next?fuck with the anxious idiots who can't watch anything serious because if there's a scene longer than a minute, they get bored and start looking at their phones.
