Why are Shirou's ideals considered wrong? Shirou decisively cuts through Archer's cynicism to prove his ideal, even if it's an unreachable dream, is noble and righteous and worth fighting for.
>>284667856Because Archer is retarded (he is Shiro after all).As we've seen him, Shiro just wanted to be a hero, either by stopping people trying to hurt others or trying to redeem those people (in Dark Sakura case).It was quite black and white.And then somehow Archer ends up in a route where he admittedly goes around killing innocents just for a grander purposes>Kill 1 to save dozens>Kill dozens to save hundreds>Kill hundreds to save thousandsAnd all that crap.
>>284667856>Why are Shirou's ideals considered wrong?Because the readers are retards who reads something once and takes it as gospel even when the story later intentionally contradict it.
>>284667856idealcucks BTFO
>>284669896Isn't all of that just conjured up by Medusa's magic? The sex scene between Shirou and Sakura are more of Shirou caving in and initiating the roughness on her instead.
>>284667856>Shirou decisively cuts through Archer's cynicism to prove his idealAdmittedly i only watched the anime but Shirou's position in that argument sounded hopeless. He just said "nuh uh" over and over until Archer got brainwashed
>>284667856Because it's not his ideals. It's Kiritsugu's.
>>284670303>Isn't all of that just conjured up by Medusa's magic?Yes, that´s not Sakura, but an illusion created by Medusa to encourage Shirou to be more sexually aggressive towards Sakura. Furthermore that´s not even Shirou
