Imagine if they had spent half as much time repeating themselves endlessly - they might have actually been able to SHOW the last two games.What a fucking awful last arc.What a fucking terrible ending. Kaiji IS better than this, right?
It really sucks to know you live in a world where shit like this and Kaiji will never get more stuff and remain unfinished while korean webtoon garbage gets adapted
you already made this thread faggot, stop crying and get new material
>>284704970It does suck to live in that world but Akagi did itself no favors by wasting a full quarter of its runtime in the final act.>>284705014Fuck YOU - I wasn't done with the show yesterday and now I am and I cannot believe how fucking disappointing it was.For the manga readers, please confirm: the "energy drinks" Checkov gun, which the anime spent a whole 2 minutes showing for no reason, were used in the final final act, right? Those were Akagi's trump card and how he was so assured about his blood levels, right?It was unbearably frustrating that the anime never once showed him taking a sip of one of those, since he had like 4 consecutive episodes where he didn't even say anything.
>>284705100>Akagi did itself no favors by wasting a full quarter of its runtime in the final act.You do realize that there's nothing in the manga after the Washizu arc (Besides a small epilogue), right?
>>284705188YOU do realize that there's two games of the Washizu arc not shown in the anime, right?That it spent 13 episodes on one game of mahjong and failed to finish the game?There is no excuse for the complete non-ending of the show.
Kaiji has better pacing, yes.
>>284704620Get filtered, faggot. I'm so glad FKMT doesn't appeal to low IQ retards like you.
>>284705254Washizu mahjong is 240 chapters long, compared to the 60~ chapters of everything that came before it. It's also by far the best part of the manga and one of the best manga arcs ever written, so I think it's just a (You) issue lmao.
>>284705283If I finished the show and understood the show then I hardly got filtered by it, retard. Furthermore, it sounds like the manga finished, so I would not have any of these complaints about the manga. I'm complaining about the show, because the show just abruptly ends during the climax of the final arc, while leaving multiple plot strings hanging.>>284705327Is it the best part BECAUSE every episode repeats every line of dialogue 2-4 times, or is it the best DESPITE this? This is important. The anime gives zero payoff to Akagi defeating Washizu.
>>284704620This type of shit is literally a problem with any “strategy” manga. Hunter x Hunter, world trigger, jojos, Akagi, etc.Are Japanese mangaka literally incapable of doing “show don’t tell”?
>>284705254Yeah, you do realize that the 6th session ended in 2017, right? At most they could've adapted the 5th match. I will give you credit, the show's pacing felt like they were actually planning to make another season focusing on the 5th and 6th sessions, before they realized how long the 6th session was gonna be>>284705100>For the manga readers, please confirm: the "energy drinks" Checkov gun, which the anime spent a whole 2 minutes showing for no reasonYeah, it's brought up not long after where the anime left off
>>284705356Animebabies aren't actual FKMT fans. Even if you went and watched both seasons of Kaiji too right now you still wouldn't be part of this fandom. Your opinion never meant anything. Of course you'd require some critical thinking beyond "me bored" or "feels like they're repeating themselves" to catch that Washizu mahjong is a huge step up writing wise compared to the previous arcs.
>>284705454Why do anime fans tend to be more casual fans than manga readers?
>>284705434>>284705454>Washizumind
>>284705481The lack of pretty colors and voices filters ADHD zoomies
>yea bro if you didn't wait 15 years to read 1 arc from a fag who has one of the ugliest anime(westoid) artstyles known to man you aren't a fanKek
Imagine being a jonglet
>makes the selfish rich old man who drains people's blood for fun this likeable>to the point he ends up being essentially the actual protagonist of the arcHow does he do it?
>>284705375Show dont tell isnt the answer to everything, westoids really think that. A show about telling the strategies with detail doesnt need that shit
>>284705707Real 'jongers don't read this slop. It's just a bunch of faggots cheating and no real gameplay
>>284705734"Show don't tell" isn't even an appropriate descriptor here. We're shown plenty of things.>>284705864It literally kept a mahjong magazine afloat for decades Also.>mahjongsoul>riiching this handYou will never be a real jonger.
>>284705864>average Kirinjiposter
>>284705434>you do realize that the 6th session ended in 2017I have no knowledge of the issue/air time of the manga versus the show. If the show was running alongside the manga then that explains the abrupt end, though it does not excuse it.>the show's pacing felt like they were actually planning to make another season focusing on the 5th and 6th sessionsIf anything, they should have just taken an indefinite hiatus to let the manga end so they could do the whole story.>Yeah, it's brought up not long after where the anime left offOkay thank God. It was such an obvious explanation for everything but since the show never resolves it, there was a nagging fear that it really was complete filler.>>284705454>Animebabies aren't actual FKMT fans. Even if you went and watched both seasons of Kaiji too right now you still wouldn't be part of this fandom.Are you mentally ill? I have no interest in being a part of any absurd fandom, especially not one that includes nutjobs like you. I wanted to watch a good show about gambling and while the first half was certainly good, the second half was drawn out and ends in the middle of a story. It deeply soured the experience.>>284705716I never got this impression from the show so I assume it's a manga-only thing?
Akagi has like two instances of cheating in the entire manga and the rest is just pure mindgames THOUGH
>>284705434The energy drinks didn't really matter. It was the early transfusion that gave Akagi a second wind, and later exploiting the blood payment rules to kill Washizu directly
>>284706082I'm fairly certain Akagi cheats more than twice in his very first game with the yakuza.
>>284706128Please explain in full. By the end of the 4th of the 6 games, Akagi had lost 1400 CCs and then set those CCs on fire, ensuring that he'd get none of his original blood back. The anime had him go to a clinic to "buy energy drinks" but are you saying more happened there?
idk what you are but the ending theme always rocks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_j4vVRQWa8
>>284706136Daisengen hand and the fake tenpai + the tile switch he pulled against Ishikawa are the only instances I remember, I'm at the very least sure he never cheats after Ishikawa
>>284706045I mean the series goes on for a long time. Since Akagi is meant to be coolheaded, most of the manga is told from Washizu's perspective and because Akagi is a fucking savant, Washizu is consistently the underdog. Especially when it gets established that Akagi's goal is to just outright turn the tables and get Washizu's death.Basically the entire manga is dragging him slowly to Hell like a test of character and figuring out just what kind of person he is.
>>284706136From what I recall>cheats on the very first hand he wins>gets bamboozled by Yagi once>tricks Yagi with his kan to make him think his wait is on manzu (technically cheating by swapping a tile from his hand into his kan before fixing things again). Not a huge cheating instance, it's a bit ambiguous>cheats on his first hand against Ichikawa to save Yagi>cheats once to make Ichikawa accept the 1v1That makes 3 or 4 instances>>284706183As shown in the anime, Akagi figured out he was going to play the guy who was draining his victims out of blood before the match started. What the anime showed was Akagi dropping at the clinic before the game to grab energy drinks, which he did, but the main purpose of this stop was different. Akagi went to the clinic 2 weeks before his match with Washizu, got them to take 500cc of his blood, which he regenerated over the next weeks. So Akagi's drop at the clinic right before the match was to get 500cc of his own blood transfused back into his arm, an incredibly dangerous gambit since that also meant he played the first games in a dizzy state of mind
>>284705454I've noticed this is way more blatant with Kaiji, The Bog is the best animated arc, yet it seems to filter most people who enjoy the show on a surface level. These same people then say it should get a third season, not realizing it would be 26 episodes of mahjong>>284705734>>284705955This goes for anything involving competition, if you want to watch high level fighting/racing/gaming/sports without internal monologues, you can watch real competition (Even then, those tend to have commentators because following high level play of any kind is really hard unless you're a high level player yourself>>284706045>If anything, they should have just taken an indefinite hiatus to let the manga end so they could do the whole story.Even back in the 2000s, anime were primarily made to promote manga sales, waiting until it's over defeats the purpose of doing an anime>But what about XYZ show?A show usually only adapts the entirety of a manga if the anime wasn't that far behind, even then, it tends to be really popular shonenshit, remember that people were genuinely surprised Dr Stone was getting a 4th season despite the manga already being over>>284706128I know that, I was just being vague on purpose in case anon (or more realistically, anyone lurking the thread) wanted to read for themselves. I know spoiler tags are a thing, but I just prefer vaguely answering
>>284706221Based on the chart you and the other guy posted, I can definitely see how 15 years of manga AFTER the show ended would turn Washizu into the sympathetic underdog, always on the back foot against Akagi.It's a shame that the show decided to leave all of that out.>>284706319Ohhh.... so he had bonus blood as a safety net for the first two games, which he expected to get drained while he figured Washizu out? That's a very Akagi thing to do. Thank you for explaining.
>>284706338>This goes for anything involving competition, if you want to watch high level fighting/racing/gaming/sports without internal monologues, you can watch real competition (Even then, those tend to have commentators because following high level play of any kind is really hard unless you're a high level player yourselfThat's true, but it's also because the point of these matches isn't just competition. Competition matters and a lot of these monologues has to do with gambling in general but at its core Akagi/Ten/FKMT works are philosophical dives into humanity, psychology, death... The narrator delivering these insights is a big part of the appeal. It would be incomplete without this.
>>284706464You're right, but that's specific to FKMT. My argument is a more generic explanation of why it makes sense for most anime/manga featuring some sort of competition to have a narrator and audible internal monologues, this applies to FKMT works on top of the philosophical elements
>>284706406>he had bonus blood as a safety net for the first two games, which he expected to get drained while he figured Washizu out? Pretty much.>turn Washizu into the sympathetic underdog, always on the back foot against AkagiIt's hard to explain without spoiling but there's a lot going on with Washizu and his relationship with Akagi
>>284706338The Bog probably filters people because it doesn't have a lot going on of "in the moment" stuff and because it's a long game that is a capstone to the "Kaiji trying to get free" portion of the story, similar to E Card and One Poker. So it eats up most of the season. Anime-onlies probably would have wanted a higher quantity of shorter games. The more general anime audience prefers something like Kakegurui where the games are more like singular puzzles painted over in broad strokes and they can fit a full setup, game and fallout in a single 24-minute episode.I think also that part of why The Bog filters people is that the strategy comes through very quickly with Kaiji's plan outlined really early on and the arc focuses on emotional reactions and building up the tension. To the people who FKMT works for, this makes the arc an absolute classic but I could see people who want more 4D chess wouldn't really appreciate The Bog when the bulk of what "physically happens" is Kaiji pumping balls into a machine.
>>284706918The Bog is one of the few exceptions where I can at least see the issue non FKMT enjoyers have, with most of the plan happening before it begins, and then you're left with the plans unfolding and the twists and accidents happening. I think it's still fantastic and people complaining about pacing seem to be unable to get into the drama and emotion of these scenes, where Kaiji is basically gambling his entire life on a desperate gambit... but at least I can see the argument that they'd prefer to see things happening in the present more.But even then, I don't think this is the only issue these watchers have with this writing. They tend to heavily favor part 1 over 2. If a season 3 of Minefield Mahjong was released, they'd throw a fit, and not just because most wouldn't know mahjong rules. Even if it was a western game they all knew, they'd just bitch because they want bite sized gambles, without realizing this also means the content can only be superficial.I'm expecting the Liar Game anime to be quite shortened for that reason. They'll butcher a lot of these monologues and skip a bunch of plot points. Probably.
