There was literally nothing wrong with this fight. The only people that have a problem with it are those that either don't like Sasuke or don't like the Uchiha clan.>b-but sasuke was out of chakra He wasn't. That was deidara's cope.>b-but sasuke didn't have enough time to summon mandaHe did. Sasuke was just faster than Deidara's explosion.
>>284736537 Imagine randomly dropping in /a/ on xmas of the year of lord 2025 to complain about imaginary people that complain about a fight, from a manga that has been over for a decade. >Hey anon, if you have no plans for christmas you can come over and visit your mother and I. >I have something important planed, sorry.
>>284736793Naruto is everything
>>284736537The entire fight is contrived and clearly just a way to kill off Deidara since Kishimoto had no idea what to do with him.Fighting Sasuke doesn't further the Akatsuki's goals in anyway, and Deidara having a hateboner for Itachi, the Sharingan, and Uchiha in general was something Kishi pulled out of his ass just for this fight
>Sasuke has no chakra left, as proof his Sharingan is deactivated>But suddenly he has enough chakra to summon Manda, hypnotize it with the Sharingan, and get in his mouth to survive the explosion>All in the space of less than a second before the explosion hit
>>284736537>There was literally nothing wrong with this fight.>Lighting beats RockFucking retard. Even kids who don't know how to read know the elemental cycle.
>>284737090>But suddenly he has enough chakra to summon MandaYes because he still had chakra left. He deactivated his sharingan because he thought the fight was over.
>>284737745>Deidara is not dead>"The fight is over"Uh huh
>>284737777He wasn't trying to kill him speedreader.
>>284738265>speedreaderForgive me for reading that fight last TEN YEARS AGO. It's not something I actively think about or make threads about.
>>284738443>get proven wrong>play the "haven't read the series in X years" excuse
>>284736537>I can see Chakra as colors and through obstacles :)>I take no damage from standing in the middle or next to an explosion>Lightning turns off bombsI mean under those conditions Deidara could never have won, no matter how hard he tried
>>284738856>under the condition of being weaker than his opponent he could never have wonThat's how it works.
>>284739083>*I'll break my world just to justify my favorite character winning Not even the last time he'd write such crap. >Uchiggers literally have a "Nu-uh, you didn't win" jutsu that alters reality for several seconds
>>284739960>*I'll break my worldThis didn't happen.
>>284736537>first fight where it's established that earth jutsu can be countered by lightning>Sasuke just happens to have X-ray vision like superman when he never did before>Deidara just happened to be low IQ in this fight and hovered on his dragon where midrange attacks could get him>Sasuke would have died without both a sharingan and lightning release, something only he and Kakashi have in the entire world
>>284740643>first fight where it's established that earth jutsu can be countered by lightningSpeedreader...
>>284741523That's exposition not a fight. Earth's relation to lightning has never mattered regardless of whether it was ninjas using common techniques associated with earth style now such as moving through the ground, 'digging like a mole jutsu' or whatever it's called.
>>284741604>That's expositionWhich explains lightning is superior to earth.
>>284737009In what way? Deidara died being a terrorist. There's no place for him.
>>284740643Sasuke won kicking Orochimaru and Manda
>>284738856>I take no damage from standing in the middle or next to an explosionIt's stupid, but it makes more sense if you look at Sauce dodging explosions as if he had an evasion rating, like an RPG. He didn't dodge the explosion, but he "dodged" it.
>gets his thunder stolen by some evil space niggas pulled out of ass in the last minuteI will never stop being mad about this
>>284742831He already was a huge downgrade from Pain.
>>284742831>thought he was the puppeteer but was really just another puppet himselfBased Kishi. This faggot got what he deserved.
>>284742831Bro was built up as the big bad and mastermind pulling all the strings and he didn't even lose in a proper fight, just inflated and popped like a balloon like some disney character.Was kishimoto doing drugs during that period?
>>284742865Madara brought THE pain
>>284743020oh noa bunch of literally who jobbers
>>284742865Chadara mogs Pain so hard it's not even funny.
>>284743111>my power is i have all the powers
>>284743041>a bunch of literally who jobbersSo just like what Pain did lmao
>>284743041THEPAIN
>>284743118kino
>>284743183>Literally Who Mei>Can't Slap an Uchigger Nigkage>Couldn't 1v1 Deidara Boomer>Couldn't even beat Kabuto Granny>Lost to Part 1 Naruto and Deidara Gaara they're not literally whosthey're just jobbers
i liked it
>>284743157>Itachi and Kisame repellant Jiraiya>One-Shots when actually serious Kakashi>Gedo Statue Fighting Akimichi Father + SonPain took down actual important people.
>>284743225>they're just jobbersJust like everyone Pain beat.
>>284743269>>>One-Shots when actually serious KakashiAnybody can 1 shot Kakshi. Dude passes out just from using 1 move.
>>284743301lies
Off topic but id rather argue over this here than in the daily.just how strong is minato,how far will kishi mentally masturbate to him???>Age 12 and takes 3 jonin level ninjas from kumo to save his little gf.>By age 16 manages to create a jutsu and uses it to counter a bijuu blast effectively.>tanks a ninetails claw to the chest by gf and manages to warp the seal to his own doing pic related.>the fox claims that only the 1st hokage can do that sort if thing.>at 22 becomes the fastest ninja in the world>kills 1000 stone ninjas>has a run on sight command for >age 24 took him 10 minutes to figure out obito and counter kamui.>his offspring is a bonafide godenemies to flee at his appearance. He can basically be placed at nart and sasukes level in bort.This guy can solo pein , bitch slap tobirama ,the raikage feared him , oro is no match for him, ems sasuke gets clapped and kcm2 naruto is a field day, and itatchi would just die of exhaustion fighting anyways or did like he did when jiraya showed up run away like a headless chicken.
>>284743269>Jiraiya>couldn't beat Orochimaru>>couldn't beat Orochimaru (again in the Tsunade arc)>jobbed to 4 tails Naruto>jobbed to HanzoHe was a jobber. Never won a real battle.>Kakashi>jobbed to Zabuza and had to get rescued by 12 year olds>literally jobbed to Orochimaru mere AURA lmao>oneshot by Itachi>jobbed to Kakuzu Lmao. One of the biggest jobbers in the series.>Gedo Statue Fighting Akimichi Father + SonThat was from the War arc retard. Pain didn't summon that.
>>284743396silly retard
>>284743392>just how strong is minatoNot counting six paths bullshit Minato is the 3rd strongest character in the verse. The first two being Hashirama and Madara.
>>284743432Concession accepted.
Reminder that this is Sharingod board, Senjews are not welcome here.Also ObiRin is canon, my boy is smashing prime cunny built for BUC in heaven.Happy Holidays.
>>284743539>ObiRin is canonIs this how Cuckbito fags cope? Rin is still saving her pussy for Kakashi. She still only sees the cuck as her friend.
>>284743392He is naturally fucking strong with no hacks.His wife considering how little information there is one of the strongest kunoichi probably stronger than Tsunade.Just the fact that she still made the ninetails her bitch after giving birth and having it extracted from her by obito is enough to put her at kage level.Tsunade also says her fighting style is similar to narutos just spam fucking kage bushin and rasengan.
>>284743618>His wife considering how little information there is one of the strongest kunoichi probably stronger than Tsunade.Doubt. From the one shot Kushina doesn't do anything but sit around locked in her tower waiting for Minato to get back. Kishimoto basically assassinated her character. >>284743392His main issue is that he lacks raw power. He's basically a 'human killing specialist' in a setting where the top tiers are made of mutants and augmented super soldiers. We never see Minato use any techniques on the scale of Madara or Hashirama. His stuff is very fast but small scale.
>>284743539Obito is allowed to sit in the corner and watch Kakashi fuck Rin.
>>284743392Minatowank is fine because he's a mirror held up to everyone else.Jiraiya is shamed by not taking on the mantle of hokage, making it his student's burden because he thinks he's the child of prophesy. Minato's 'ideal' tenure was just the calm in a storm created by the previous wars, he couldn't enforce peace by his own power when the village's own ghosts were aiming to destroy it. Characters say "if only the fourth hokage were here" when they're referring to someone who was a fraction of their age, highlighting their own failures.
>>284743618>is one of the strongest kunoichi probably stronger than TsunadeYou people are worse than Konanfags.
>>284743700Understood,My headcannon is that since kushina is pure uzumaki bloodline, she can produce 10 times if not 50 times the amount of clones naruto can produce.
>>284743601delete thiskakashi would never blueball a homie like this
>>284743601 think she genuinely did love Obito romantically. I know a lot of folk act like it was a Naruto and sasuke and sakura situation but I disagree. She’s way closer to Obito than Sakura ever was to Naruto
>>284743815Kushina isn't strong. Her clones won't be either.
>>284743876He was her gay best friend.
>>284743883But that doesn’t necessarily mean she could produce more than her son.
>>284743876>think she genuinely did love Obito romantically
>>284743936Literally doesn't mean anything when she's weak.
>>284743897they were childhood friends
How does one decide their ninja power is going to be eating clay with their hand mouths? How do you even go about getting started in that?
>>284743983Deidara probably was already making the clay bombs as his main technique and then realized he could do it better by giving his hands mouths to knead his clay automatically all the time.
>>284743983The hidden stone had an existing Demolition Corp from research on body modification and jutsu imbuing clay. Deidara just stole this for his own ends like Kakuzu stole his own village's forbidden jutsu.
>>284743876They had different circumstances, and rin cared more about obito and fangirled less about kakashi than sakura did with sasuke.
>>284743601>>284743739He would never do that his promise was to keep her safe for obito last wish.When rin confessed to him after obito died it was simply out of fear he simply told her that he did not deserve her since he abandoned her and she took note of that quickly , he also told her about obito loving her after he shot her confession down.
>>284744418Keeping her safe includes impregnating her so she's away from the frontlines.
>>284744418>
>>284742831I still don't know what this guy's mangekyou power is.
>>284744418Rin pulled a Sakura instead of noticing the person who truly loved her she noticed the guy who barely cared and ended up stabbing her, similar to sasuke.
>>284744553The only thing that would make sense is interacting with the limbo world in some way because no one has any connection to it but him. One rinnegan gives him a limbo clone and two rinnegan give him four limbo clones, so two EMS is a stepping stone that lets an intangible clone weave hand signs for him or something.
>>284744554She judged them by the content of their character. Kakashi was the better man than Obito, always would be.
>>284744682Their Knocking boots in ninja heaven. Obito straight swerved the consequences of his war crimes. Wich never made sense.
>>284737090How the fuck is him deactivating sharingan proof of anything, retard, when Sasuke can turn sharingan on and off at will?
>>284744842why turn it off?
>>284744554Being in love with someone doesn't mean they owe you sex btw.
>>284736537Oro give sasuke chakra what bullshit is how he escape seconds before explosion
>>284744852To trick the dumbass deidara
>>284744852You already were told why earlier in the thread speedreader.
>>284744956that's retarded
What I don't get is how deidara trained his eye and didn't do shit with it
>>284745047It was a red herring. You'd think the fight would come down to genjutsu, but it actually came down to chakra elemental incompatibilities.
>>284743876>She’s way closer to Obito than Sakura ever was to Naruto.Idk but shoving a suppository up some guys ass even if your a nurse and giving him mouth to mouth is pretty borderline close.
>>284744991Why? It not only worked on Deidera it also worked on a bunch of morons reading the fight. Deidera thinking Sasuke has no chakra should have lulled him into false sense of security which Sasuke could have capitalised on since he needed him alive. What's retarded is that despite the fact that he thought Sasuke was out of chakra he still decided to commit suicide there.
>>284743876That's a load of horseshit and you know it
>>284736537>Earth element is weak to electric elementHow convenient>also naruto wind element is week to fire, uchihas most common elementHow convenient
>>284745047Maybe it worked to an extent because Sasuke didn't get him under genjutsu until he was heavily depleted.
>>284745131Shes a nurse thats her job even if its her friend it is her duty to take care of him.
>>284745275>caring about jobber flames
>>284745275Never understood how electricity could do anything to earth, rocks and sand.
>>284746347>jobber style: wasting chakra jutsuDid anyone ever get beaten by the jobber element in series?
>>284746500Lightning turns sand into glass.
>>284733035Still mad he didn't keep this look.
>>284745275>Gaara sand is combination of wind and earth>Sasuke has fire and discovers lightning right before their fightHow convenient
>>284746593Shouldnt that be fire?
>>284746739Gaara's sand is a demon spiritno actually it's a kekkei genkaino actually it's ghost mom
>>284745275>Series drops this cool as fuck element system>its never important How inconvenient
>>284747138Ninjutsu was a mistake and turned story about ninjas into Harry Potter duels
>>284744956trick him into doing what? Sasuke never expected Deidara to become a giant nuclear explosion. People like you really like to come up with this headcanon explanations that were never in the story. Show the panels that explain Sasuke consciously baiting Deidara into doing that
>>284736537>*There was literally nothing good with this fight.Fixed for accuracy. The Great Snake Escape is among the shittiest endings of a battle in fiction and so is Saucegay as character. That fag Deidara should have killed him in a double-suicide, but Kishitmoto is too much of a hack to follow through with anything. Crazy how you Narutards still try revise history over a decade later over this shitty shitshow of a series.
>>284749457Sasuke dying in a double suicide to Deidara, a guy he met 15 minutes ago, right outside Itachi's doorstep before their climatic battle, with the last time he saw Naruto being Tenchi Bridge, would fucking suck. Even if it's what should've happened on paper, Sasuke was always escaping somehow. It really should've been via Tobi's Kamui and then he leaves Sasuke somewhere confused as to what happened, it'd overlap nicely with the Tobi is Akatsuki leader reveal. But I'm more of the school of thought as this anon >>284737009 the fight never should've taken place.
>>284749499>It really should've been via Tobi's Kamui and then he leaves Sasuke somewhere confused as to what happened, it'd overlap nicely with the Tobi is Akatsuki leader reveal.this can't happen because then Itachi doesn't fight Sasuke and he doesn't get Mangekyo and Susannoo and Amaterasu for free
>>284749499>>284749536I feel like the best solution is just not having Deidara and Sasuke fight a pointless battle? It's not like Sasuke is lacking for wank without it, when he just killed Orochimaru and goes on to kill Itachi after.
>>284749556Yeah sadly the author stopped caring at this point>It's not like Sasuke is lacking for wank without it, when he just killed Orochimaru and goes on to kill Itachi after.this was more likely done to show the audience how Deidara who took down Gaara earlier is struggling to kill Sasuke, and because Itachi has to remove the curse mark form he has to show him fighting with CM2, and then killing the snake, followed by a scene wher Juugo almost goes insane to prepare the audience for Itachi one-shotting Orochimaru and sealing him.He uses the excuse that Sasuke can't just run away from Deidara and Tobi because he wants to find information on Itachi, but then it's not explained why he didn't call for Suigetsu,Jugo and Karin to help him get that information when he was fighting 2 Akatsuki members.It doesn't really make any sense but the manga was not going to get axed so the author can write any bullshit he wants and wank his favorite characters
>>284749536I'm saying you could have sasuke dropped off unconscious somewhere for Hebi to find, and make it clear to the audience it was Tobi's doing. Sasuke still goes on to fight Itachi, Tobi is never gonna dissuade him from that, he wanted Itachi out of the picture. Then later when Tobi brings Sasuke back to his lair later, he can say something like "so this is the second time i've saved you" and Sasuke is up to speed. No damage to the plot, no great snake escape.I'm wasting my Christmas thinking about how this garbage ending of a fight could be rewritten, lol.
>>284749814>I'm saying you could have sasuke dropped off unconscious somewhere for Hebi to find, and make it clear to the audience it was Tobi's doing.this implies he's not ready to fight Itachi, the ending had to be something in Sasuke's own power and not an ending where he's unconscious. This way the audience already knows Sasuke is going to lose against Itachi which was technically not guaranteed until when they actually fight. Kishi just cared about his fight with Itachi and planned everything for that stupid Uchiha wankfight so he can't do anything that makes Sasuke seem weak and defeated in the battle against a guy who was narratively weaker than Itachi.
>>284742831Yea. I checked out when that happened.
>>284744553For all the Uchihawank bitching, Kishimoto didn't bother to give any unique Mangekyou powers after Itachi.Sasuke basically got Amaterasu+a remote control for it which makes it awful. The fact that they had to retcon it being a unique power in each eye after his Rinnegan got stabbed is funny.Shisui got the same power just in different strength and Obito/Kakashi is just Kamui with short/long range.Giving Madara more powers would be a headache.
>>284744553I assume Kishimoto didn't give him one because he'd be even more powerful.>>284750140I just remembered Obito doesnt use Kamui while he was a jinchuriki. He would have been unbeatable if he had used it. Guess Kishimoto knew it'd be overkill lol.
>>284736537I'm sorry you are alone on Christmas and feel the need to fill the void in your heart by arguing about Naruto on the internet.I hope you take some time to self-reflect and wonder why you're doing this instead of spending time with friends or family but if you want to leave a seething reply instead do it quick because I will close this thread as soon as I'm done shitting and I might not read it.
>>284750281>Obito doesnt use Kamui while he was a jinchurikiOh boy, you reminded me of people bitching about Jinchuriki Madara using Kakashi's Kamui without understanding how Kamui works.
>>284750382this is not facebook roastie
>>284750445Its really funny in the anime. Madara just does a drive by and steals the eye lol.
>>284743111kek no way anyone actually thinks madara is cooler than pain. He looks gay
>>284743396He won against Itachi
>>284750606Is Madara as a path of pain cool though?
Madara and Hashirama should have stayed in flashbacks only.
I have a question.Why is Itachi working for the Akatsuki?
>>284743392Minato is basically the best a ninja can be without a tailed beast, ayylmao chakra, or a kekkei genkai. Granted that's a lot of restrictions but still. He's the strongest "traditional" ninja
>>284751354something about becoming a rogue ninja after betraying the Leaf and being a secret double agent for the Leaf who killed thousands to save millions
>>284743396Rajsuke post
>>284745178Canon never gives us a confession from Rin, but when you look at her actions, priorities, and emotional framing, it lines up much more with romantic love for Obito than with simple kindness.>Rin consistently centers Obito>She worries about Obito more than anyone else.>She encourages his dream of becoming Hokage.>When Obito is late or struggling, Rin is the one waiting, watching, and defending him.Her “crush” on Kakashi is shallow and static,Her final choice strongly implies obito thats why she chooses Kakashi’s hand knowing it will kill her.
>>284743974>>284743700The bombshell that she was after minato fixed her seal, Kushina wins no difficulty. Adamantine Sealing Chains are fast and strong enough to immobilize the Kyuubi instantly. Tsunade won’t be able to move at all. Kushina can protect herself with her chains and rip Tsunade’s limbs apart
>>284749701To be fair, Deidara lost his arm iirc and Gaara partially lost because he was protecting his village (though i assume Deidara had a good chance of getting him regardless).
>>284750490Yeah, but the meltdown about it is funny.>Juubito can't use Kamui so why does Juubidara get to use it?!?!?!Juubito couldn't use the busted phase through ability of Kamui. He can still open portals and suck people in.>But Kakashi can't open a Kamui portal!!He did it twice in the war.
>>284736793The daily Naruto story time is currently on the Deidara fight
>>284753516and a burritoshit ruined my Christmas
>>284736537You will merely bow down to the might of the hidden leaf -Madara uchiha 1959The lead village was their own enemy itself.
>>284751354He was trying to obtain information on Madara/Obito, while painting himself as a nefarious villain-turned-terrorist that Sasuke could hunt and kill to become a hero and reclaim the pride and honor of the Uchiha Clan in the eyes of the village.
>>284753730>Asuma
We love Sakura
>>284753730>shisui the meme>itatchi the troll>asuma the deadbeat stoner>fugaku the cuck
>>284754064why are they in the green dimensionis that christmas hell
>>284736537The problem is that if Sasuke had enough time and speed to accomplish that task then he should have outrun the Blast of the explosion which would've wasted less chakra anyway.
>>284738265Deidara wasn't unconscious either so the point still stands.
>>284753730Rank those people from strongest to weakest.
>>284743539Cuckbito is merely a bunch warmer until Kakashi dies.
>>284743876>Confessed to Kakashi over Obito's corpseYeah right.
>>284736537I think Sasuke saying his art is beautiful would have been a better way to solve the conflict.The art of them together makes me think they could have been friends if they just talked a bit. Would have been more interesting if after beating the shit out of each other they both walked away like the autists they are.
>>284754733Why would Sasuke knock him out when he want answers fo Itachi's whereabouts?
>>284754766>Guy>Obito>Minato>Itachi>Kakashi>Sakumo (by statements)>Jiraiya>Orochimaru>Tsunade>Shisui (Danzo victim)>Fug>>>Asuma
>>284754897+1 like for not putting Itachi at the top
>>284744977The reason you gave was dumb.
>>284745157Except Sasuke didn't expect Deidara do blow up nor did he want him killed.
>>284754064Og Narsaku fags will remember this Christmas anime ad from back in the day
>>284753516It already went past it.
>>284754897Solid
>>284754887So he can bind or incapacitate him to get the answers?
>>284754953*Please note that this list does not reflect the opinions of Masashi Kishimoto
>>284753516Keep your shit in your general
>>284754766>minato>guy>obito>itatchi>kekashi>orochimaru>jobiraya>shisui>tsuna>fugaku>asuma.
>>284754897Minato needs to be higher.
>>284755100you don't find shit like that panel even in the shittiest fanfics
>>284751398>>284743458>>284743392Never really fucking understood what people got out of this guy ???? And why he received such ass kissing by kishimoto himself.Sure hes the main protagonists father and previous leader of the village but fucking hell i cant tell who got more wanked him or itatchi.
>>284755592They're the ultimate wanked duo, but Kishimoto never gave Minato a super special sealing sword or implied he could take Madara
>>284743392Meanwhile in reality
>>284755698I feel like he could take on alive Madara if he mastered Sage mode. Or got KCM
>>284755592Itachi, easily. don't forget he was killed by Obito who was his student. Itachi was Kage-level in the Academy
>>284755592Itachi wank is on a while different level.Minato fucked up plenty of times, Itachi is flawless in comparison, and even when he did fuck up it was part of his super pooper 4d chess plan
I remember going on a powerscaling forum and there was a guy there who basically worshipped Itachi
>>284755715This mother fucker would kick his ass while wearing a cooking apron with style.
>>284755196>>284754897Kind of insane how high Guy ranks just because of the 8 gates thing. How high would you guys rank him if he had to stop one short?
>>284756488One short he should be at worst 3rd strongest under Minato and Obito
>>284756488I'd put him around Kakashi or Itachi
>>284756192Uchihawankery is on another level
Can I dump ?
make your own thread borutard
>>284756488Why do people rank Guy high when 8th gate kills him making it a nobody wins?Dude couldn't hurt Juubidara solo and needed help.
>>284756701>>284756786Makes it seem like he was completely underused in the story if he was this strong with a sudoku technique.I cannot remember him doing anything until the war except randomly running into kisame, but that was an accident, not like Konoha strategically sent him to try to take out the akatsuki.What the fuck was Konoha doing if he was this strong? Seems like poor writing or power creep.
>>284757632Poor writing mostly. Even in the first arc Kishi had to invent clones that are 1:1 with your strength just to hold team Guy off from defeating both Akatsuki too early.6th gate guy already would be much faster than Naruto and Kakashi running and he can walk on air.
>>284757632Our brilliant hokage always had him on very important offscreen missions
>>284757979I guess him not being around when Pain attacked Konoha was also to avoid Pain getting btfo.>>284757983Even before Tsunade became hokage, wouldnt you think the 3rd hokage would just send Guy to take down Orochimaru?
I love how every theme in Naruto got retconned by the end:>young will surpass the old--> retconned by Madara and Hashirama being superduper godtier ubermen mogging the shit out of everyone else>will beats fate so Neji was wrong ->nope, Naruto is the prophesized saviour and he and Sasuke are reincarnations of Asura and Indra, no one else matters>it doesn't matter who you are, even orphan can become great --> nope, only applies when orphan in question happen to be special snowflakes and nepobabies
>>284755768Alive Madara is way more manageable because Minato is faster than Tobirama, who was able to speed blitz Izuna and kill him. Madara might be stronger than Izuna, but Minato is stronger than Tobirama.
Goddamn Uchiggers!
>>284759688>Naruto is the prophesized saviour and he and Sasuke are reincarnations of Asura and Indra, no one else mattersNaruto broke fate by not falling to his and Sasuke's souls' cycle of murdering one another.
>>284754064I remember
Fuck SakuraFuck HinataNaruto and Sasuke should have gotten together with each other. maybe that way their kids wouldn't have been such total failures like Bort and Salad
People make fun of Kurenai for this, but what was she supposed to do here? Her opponent vastly outperforms her in the thing she's best at.
>>284759887What can Minato or Tobirama do to Susanoo?
>>284759961not this shit again.Naruto's fate was to break the cycle of hatred.
>>284760155She should get off the battlefield and get pregnant
>>284760272The personal cycle of hatred between Asura and Indra's souls.
>>284760193Why let him make one? What would Minato do against the Hachibi?
>>284760389Yes. it was his fate to break that cycle.
>>284760430Hit enter early. The answer was, not let B summon it. We saw in his fight with A and B, that he'd speedblitz them both to win.
>>284760434That wasn't his fate. The Asura and Indra souls were destined to forever fight one another.
>>284760430Is Minato fighting Hachibi the Bijou or its Jinchuuriki? If former, either run away or seal it. If latter, he has plenty of ways to kill its Jinchuuriki since none of them had all the haxes that endgame Nart had. Minato's real counter would probably be Genjutsu specialist like Itachi
>>284760193How about a rasengan that overpowers tailed beast balls?
>>284757632>>284757983He ran into Yugito during a mission, which is why she was too tired to beat Hidan and Kakuzu, while he had to recover.
>>284760603>literally has Kushina's chains helping himAnon.
>>284759688I like Naruto to but he performs better when he isn't seeking attention. The problem is Jiraya starved him of attention you see low-key moments where he uses clones as a diversion, acts like a cadet and treats Tsunade like a stripper, emulated Iruka and kicked Sasuke in the Search Arc. That Naruto can't last cause he's bossy. At worst in Part 1 he was communist.The only time you see Shikamaru act like a kid is when he's smoking, but that part gets cut out. Tsunade is not used to disobedience and threatened to murder Shikamaru
>>284736537Lmao Saucegay is weaker than Boruto at that age.
>>284760556This is just "Scource: my ass" but Minato's competent enough that he's got to have some kind of answer to genjutsu. He fought who he thought was Madara and looked him in the eye
>>284749556Orochimaru never dies. He specialized in necromancy and taught Sasuke to summon him thru curse marks. He just needs a human body to do jutsu
>Sand manages to capture Shukaku on their own and seal the little bitch despite Seals being Shukaku's speciality>Cloud, Stone and Mist had to beg Daddy Hashirama for gibsmedats like losers they areWhat the fuck happened to Sand? They used to be the Chad faction despite not being the protagonists like Leaf but devolved into jobbers by the time of canon
>>284760796>He ran into Yugito during a missionWait really? I dont remember that.
>>284760927I made it up, but it could've happened!
>>284760556Minato got the job because he was a student of Jiraya who didn't want to be Hokage. Orochimaru didn't get the job cause he's an old man cross dressing
>>284760861who???
>>284760911Their strongest Kage got assassinated by their second strongest shinobi (and likely future Kage). Their next Kage was a moron that abused his children, sent strong Shinobi to die, and then got assassinated by the most suspicious man to ever exist.
>>284760981He got the job after winning the war and becoming a chad , lots of women wanted to fuck him, the village respected him to highest authority and he was known world wide.
>>284761038Compared to the leaf were they’re 1st leader died of some lingering hereditary illness, the 2nd killed died fighting 20 rogue powerful ninjas for the 1st war.
>>284760911All arable land has already been used to grow cash crops
>>284760911Isnt every faction a jobber compared to Konoha? Konoha has more important ninjas than every other village/country combined (probably bad writing again)
>>284762238Yes it's extremely bad writing. Akatsuki is a global scale threat and there's no fight without a ninja from Konoha that even threatens a single member of theirs.Kishi increased the scale of the story without actually including that scale in his writing.
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>>284742556>He didn't dodge the explosion, but he "dodged" it.Oh shit. The Kengan Asura daily is slowly "getting" to "me".
>>284761038You can fairly criticize Rasa for jobbing hard to Orochimaru, but him being abusive is fanon. Rasa canonically spoiled Gaara, Gaara becoming fucked up freak is Yashamaru's fault since he decided to take Rasa's understandable order to test Gaara's mental stability as Jinchuuriki as excuse to suicide bomb himself & traumatize Gaara in the process. Apart from jobbing to Orochimaru, Rasa did nothing wrong
>>284762373The only threatening non Konoha person i remember ever noticing during the akatsuki arc was Killer Bee (who only appeared towards the end of it).
>>284760911>strongmencreategoodtimes.jpg
>>284750140I frankly didn't even know those were unique skills. I thought every mangekyou user could just use amaterasu etc.
>>284762546There is also Chiyo right at the beginning, when he probably still cared about it. Though it's a bit of a weird case, because still Deidara flies openly into the village, beats up their Kage and no one can stop him, then Chiyo is the only one capable of putting up any fight at all afterwards.
Most of this thread is just the Sasukeschizo replying to himself, isn't it?
>>284742831Is it me or was his actual plan completely retarded and nonsensical? He awakened his rinnegan, gave it to Pain guy, then bullied Obito into ultimately reviving him to fulfill the infinite tsukiyomi. But ultimately, his revival was entirely coincidental, Kabuto hust happened to revive him with edo tensei, and Obito never had any plans to revive Madara, as he rightfully hated that prick.So am I misremembering something? Also, his jinchuriki form looked like complete ass and I don't even know if it was really any stronger than his base form.
Speaking of Sand, Sasori is low-key one of the most busted characters in the setting. He has that super lethal poison which had no cure until Sakura developed one in Shippuuden and his puppet army could spam weapons laced with that shit. Combine that with his 3rd Kazekage puppet and he has surprisingly few counters. Since he turned himself into a puppet with only Heart as weak point, the fucker is most likely immune to Genjutsu. Sure, Sasori aint got shit on truly broken guys like Madara/Hashirama/Nart/Sauce at the end of the manga, but the guy would easily solo most Kages and Akatsuki in 1v1
>>284762882He has cool abilities, the poison is OP without the specific counter and having taken down the strongest Kazekage of all time should count for something.At the same time, not being able to dominate Sakura, who is a shitter in every other arc and getting all you puppets oneshot by her is not a good look.Powerlevels in this series are kinda impossible, because Kishi doesn't even try to keep anything consistent and always introduces op abilities that the opponent just so happens to have the perfect counter for. It's pure whimsy.
>>284762882he literally gets bodied by Shino
>>284762540Shippuden took his glare and made him homicidal trailer trash. I believe he would beat the Shukaku while drunk on beer. Its like how Sarutobi looked like a janitor in part I, but clean in 2
>>284762665Even she needed some help in the end.
>>284763036Shino should have been the new commander of the torture unit
>>284763092Yeah but at least she contributed and was competent, unlike later (after one filler arc), when ninja who should be some of the most powerful individuals in the world get captured offscreen with no reaction from their villages and we're supposed to consider it obviously sensible.
>>284762689anon youre just too "green"
>>284762882Him having a kage as a puppet was a cool hype moment, but it completely diminished the worth of the kage title in the greater theme of the narrative to me. Naruto's big dream was essentially worthless half an arc into part 2.
>>284763016For all people (justifiably) meme on Sakura, her Shippuden version still has Tsunade's super-strength and she is pretty great as medic so her build hard-counters Sasori's to extent. Despite this + surprise factor of having his previously cureless poison neutralized Sakura STILL needed Chio's help (another great medic and Puppeteer) to 2v1 Sasori. Someone generally very strong like Kisame gets hardcountered by Sasori's build (Samehada is alive so would get poisoned to death as well), Gai can get Pyrrhic win with Gates that leads to mutual destruction and Raikage(s) just die since they have no counter. I kinda wish that Naruto had more of the rock>paper>scissors elements like that instead of devolving into DBZ-lite by the end of Shippuuden where its just bigger unga bunga wins.>>284763036Neither Shino nor his bugs are immune to poison. They die painfully long before they manage to drain enough chakra to be meaningful threat
>>284760109Sakura would die of disgust.>>284760141>FailuresBort and Salad are even stronger than their dads.
>>284763257>but it completely diminished the worth of the kage title in the greater theme of the narrative to meHonestly Tsunade, who had to be saved by 12-year old Naruto already did that for me. Felt kinda weird when at 5ks suddenly Kage were a big deal again.
>>284762540>Rasa canonically spoiled GaaraWhat fanfiction did you get this from?In part 1 Gaara straight up said Rasa send multiple assassins to kill Gaara.
>>284742831I didn't really like how all that shit was his plan all along from beyond the grave with Obito being his subordinate.Make Obito be his own man with his own plan who was larping as Madara for his own purposes. Maybe he found Madara's failed plans and decided to do that shit too on his own, except successfully.Make Madara be the guy who genuinely died to Hashirama and (if you still want to make him an extra higher tier villain) he exploits the opportunity of being an Edo zombie to hijack the Akatsuki plan, either resurrecting himself directly or after controlling Kabuto. Or maybe lean into the sharingan copy ability and he edo tenseis himself back at the last second just as Kabuto is unsummoning him.Both of them.would be cooler if they were independent.
>>284763301It would've been cool if Sakura continued to actually be competent in part 2, but instead she instantly returned to being knocked out by a breeze in the next arc and being useless despite still having those theoretically useful abilities.>I kinda wish that Naruto had more of the rock>paper>scissors elements like that instead of devolving into DBZ-lite by the end of Shippuuden where its just bigger unga bunga winsThis can work if characters actively develop strategies to counter each other or actually acknowledge bad matchups instead of fighting to death straight into their direct counter.Fights like that are a lot harder to write though.
>>284763219No, that post is correct. Same sentence structure and arguments. There are also recognizable posts like >>284753646 >>284755119 >>284757447 >>284759954 >>284761014Literally a schizo thread.
>>284763321Jiraya threatened to kill her and Orochimaru promised to kill Jiraya to make big zombie Dan. There no way she could win unless you go full hentai. Naruto is the first cadet who wants to be Hokage. The sanins were immature in that arc with Naruto, Kabuto and Shizune as adults
>>284763393>What fanfiction did you get this from?Naruto manga, from Gaara's own mouth. Rasa is victim of bad PR when its Yashamaru that's the fucked up psycho. Rasa was able to subdue Shukaku by himself, if he had really wanted Gaara dead he would have easily merced him himself at any moment.
>>284763494>Naruto manga, from Gaara's own mouthPost page faggot.>when its Yashamaru that's the fucked up psycho.He only said the things he did due to Rasa's orders.
>>284762837If I remember right Madara got revived earlier then and he was supposed to be revived with the Rinnegan. I could be wrong.
>>284763841*earlier than planned
>>284739960>alters reality for several secondsThat they can only use ONCE because it makes the eye go blind instantly and drains a metric fuckton of chakra. The only time we’ve seen it working optimally is with Danzo, who needed several Sharingan grafted to his Hashirama arm to specifically work around its limitations. Izanagi is not nearly as OP as you think it is.
I remember now. Nagato was supposed to revive Madara with Rinne Rebirth. Thanks to Naruto that plan got derailed.
>>284750140>The fact that they had to retcon it being a unique power in each eye after his Rinnegan got stabbed is funny.It was explained way before that though.
>>284761014>he doesn't knowMain protagonist of the franchise, Boruto Uzumaki. He would snap Naruto like a twig and hang Sasuke from a fucking sycamore tree like I used to hang Narutards back in 2008. KNEEL.
>>284764189>Boruto Uzumaki>chapter ended in 699>cannon!
>>284763841It wasn’t necessarily earlier than planned but it was definitely in a different way from the plan, but like that anon said it doesn’t make any sense for the Edo Tensei revival to NOT be part of the plan as well. With how OP Madara was by virtue of being brought back with Edo Tensei instead of Rinne Rebirth (see the meteors and Hashirama face) it looks more like that would’ve been the plan from the get-go, but Obito was surprised Kabuto even got a hold of him and Madara didn’t realize he was an Edo Tensei until Kabuto pointed it out to him. In fact none of it makes sense because Obito could’ve gone through with the Infinite Tsukuyomi by himself without Madara needing to be revived at all.
>>284763321I thought it was more of "ninja unity" thing. Since they've all fought multiple world wars against each other by then.
>>284763550>Post page faggotNaruto Chapter 97m page 136. Gaara himself says that Rasa spoiled him you faggot>He only said the things he did due to Rasa's ordersNope. Rasa only ordered Yashamaru to test Gaara's reaction (see pic related). Yashamaru himself decided to suicidebomb himself (despite being fully aware that it would do nothing against Gaara with his Sand protecting him) and lie about Rasa ordering him to assassinate Gaara (chapter 131, p.3-6).Rasa is good dad and victim of smear campaign, Yashamaru is the real psycho
Anyone posting the daily?
>>284764547I think you're missing the context here, in he was spoiled in the sense that he was heavily guarded and protected until he could "do something himself".From start to finish Gaara began that speech saying how nobody loved him and that "family" meant nothing to him, it would make no sense for him to say that while simultaneously claiming he was actually beloved.
>>284764826Nah, Gaara thought his father genuinely loved him until Yashamaru managed to gaslight him into believing that wasn't the case. Look at the page I posted, Rasa is clearly only telling Yashamaru to talk Gaara about Karura. Nowhere does he say to "wear a suicide vest and blow yourself up" which is what Yashamaru ended up doing. Rasa then (mistakenly) thinks that Gaara is unstable as fuck if he goes crazy simply from hearing about his dead momma since Rasa had no idea that his trusted brother-in-law Yashamaru was actually deranged psycho with hateboner for his son.
>>284736537Yes you will notice how everyone trying to complain about it i just disingenuous, it's pretty much Narutofags hating the fact that Sasuke always get the best fight of the manga.
>>284764799It's probably best to hold off on it for today. Dailyramen is still MIA and Sakon is having Christmas, and the schizo jeet will probably make another troll thread like yesterday where he'll whine, gaslight, and blog while samefagging.
>>284764958>Gaara thought his father genuinely loved him until Yashamaru managed to gaslight him into believing that wasn't the case.Gaara doesn't mention Rasa at all in his flashback and when uncle died only the mother was mentioned.Besides, even in the panel where he calls himself "spoiled" he's clearly not happy.
>>284765509Nigga he literally says his father "taught him ninja arts and spoiled him" on chapter 97, page 136. Gaara thought that was love until Yashamaru -who was bitter about Karura's death- lied to him that Rasa ordered him to kill Gaara. That was bullshit since Rasa only ordered him to talk to Gaara about Karura, not attempt to kill him while claiming that his mother hated him and his father wanted him dead which was what lead to Gaara becoming mental basketcase.tl;dr: Yashamaru was butthurt at Rasa that Karura died so he took it out on Gaara and Narutofags are too blind to read their own manga to see what actually happened
>>284762689>OMG IS THAT POOPDICK SCHIZO>OMG OMG PAY ATTENTION TO ME >IM GOING TO RANT AND ACCUSE RANDOM PEOPLE OF ALL BEING THE SAME PERSON BECAUSE I WANT ATTENTION GIVE ME ATTENTIONJust neck yourself already.
>>284765860Replying to them doesn't help.
>>284763257>>284763321Tsuade made the Hokage position extremely human early on.She wasn't a perfect or even good candidate, but she was a politically viable one. Throughout Part 2 she basically leads by committee, which isn't a bad thing when you have a few geniuses around. It was an interesting choice, Kishi was pretty clear going into Part 2 that becoming Hokage wasn't actually the end-goal anymore. And Tsunade being so messed up as a person led into that well.
>>284765860Like the other anon said that won't do anything. Just ignore and dont reply.
>>284765860>>284765947>>284765997Why are you replying to yourself twice, Fagsuke?>inb4 screencap of his other devicr as "proof".
>>284765953>she was a politically viable one. Honestly sometimes I wonder why the Daimyo didn't pick one anyway. Instead of relying on the 2nd choice.
>>284744554Obitoe was owed Rin feeties
>>284766280How was Rins chakra control?
>>284763301Its sad because all they had to do was , do exactly what the hood naruto abridged unhinged show did ,getting her off sasuke’s and make her own her respect through fighting and improving her self i expected her to summon her own slug summon and become a sage.Maybe if kishi made her bond well with naruto she could master a rasengan with her chakra control.
>>284766534Id rather she get her own unique ninjutsu or taijutsu instead of that. Shes already discount Tsuande as it is.
>>284766691What exactly was her chakra nature.
>>284766795I don't know if it was ever revealed. Or I just forgot.
>>284766106>I'm gonna complain about the fag who derails every thread with his spam by... Being another fag who derails the thread with spam This... Big brained move... I can't process it... I kneel, Shikamaru-sama.....
>>284765645Most children from abusive households also think the abuse is normal or a form of affection initially.Besides, this still doesn't explain the killing attempts, Rasa not doing it himself doesn't change anything.
>>284766813Oh well its not like she ever used it.
>>284763302>Sakura would die of disgust.
>>284751398>>284743392Yeah, Minato's the perfect blend of hard worker + natural talent. His fighting style's consistent, his feats aren't outlandish (like Shikawank), and he had his own failures (too busy fighting on the front lines to save his students).He may be "strong" but he's not perfect nor is he sucked off for doing the most basic things
>>284767019>Besides, this still doesn't explain the killing attempts, Rasa not doing it himself doesn't change anythingAre you autistic or illiterate? Rasa's motivation is spelled out in pic related >>284764547. He wanted to test if Gaara was mentally stable and Gaara failed that test because Yashamaru lied to him. Rasa then chickened out and didn't have the balls to kill Gaara himself despite Gaara being unstable and only sent incompetent fodder to do it. Not stellar, but as far as Rasa knew Gaara had went nuts and killed Yashamaru after simple chat about Karura. 1) Rasa canonically taught Gaara ninjutsu and spoiled him by Gaara's own admission2) Gaara had rough time controlling his sand which made people afraid of him but his childhood was still mostly happy until Yashamaru's bullshit3) When push came to shove, Rasa didn't have the balls to kill Gaara because he loved his son too muchFanon has Rasa blaming Gaara for Karura's death when in actual manga that's Yashamaru's motivation. Rasa is depicted as stern but loving father that is unable to kill his unstable son even though it would be net benefit for the village. Just image how fucked up Gaara would have become if he was left for actually malicious fuckwit to raise like Hiruzen
Where's chappy?
Who was the better father, Fugaku or Hiashi?
>>284767383>It's not abused it's testing!Get off the net, Rasa.
>>284767522Sakon jobbed. We won't have one today.
borutosisters, speed loves naruto but he hate us...
>>284767551Kawaki from Boruto murks them>>284764375Wrong, Naruto has a 700th hundred chapter that was made by Kishimoto. Weird decision to introduce the protagonist 700 chapters into the story, but Kishi isn't known for making good storytelling decisions.https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/naruto-chapter-700/chapter/5541https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Naruto_Uzumaki!!_(chapter_700)
>>284767339And he had the one of the best houses in the entire village.
>>284765860Are we share they aren't the same person?
>twitch streamers hate BorutoAs if I need more reasons to love this beautiful character.
>>284764189Kishi just really liked drawing twinky figures. None of the guys look muscular in the manga.
>>284736537>Sasuke was just faster than Deidara's explosionGo reread it slower this time. He literally says he was hit by the explosion before he escaped.
>>284767740How long until this gets shelved or retconned for a reboot.
>>284767570haha okay, eve "he" doesn't want to post today after his edits got mogged
The real thing that makes no sense is that Sasuke didn't just raikiri defuse Deidara on the spot instead of bothering with the whole escape snake thing
Thread is up.
Deidara is a hack.
>>284754064i hate all women in Naruto. They may be sexy, but ALL of them are written terribly and you can not change my mind on that. Kishimoto just sucks at writing women
>>284736537>is the coolest character in the whole series in your path
>>284767383>>284765645After Yashamaru's fuckup, his father continued sending assassins after Gaara, making it worse.
>>284772286Women aren't worth writing unless they make me horny.
>>284760911It's because shukaku is weaker than the bijuu they got
>>284765645is Yashamaru one of the only characters to stay a bad guy
>>284772286>I hate all womenShould've stopped there. Kishi did a good job actually.
>>284775363I would have liked to see the girls more even if it's just to act cute and nothing more.
>>284736537>those that either don't like Sasuke or don't like the Uchiha clan.i.e. anyone mentally sanethere isn't a single Uchiha that didn't turn pure evil from the curse of hatred
>>284775707What about Shisui
>>284776207He hadn't crossed over yet before Danzo killed him. Obito was about his age, maybe a bit older when he went from Kakashi's best friend to Satan incarnate.
>>284776278Danzo took his eyes and he still didn't lose it. Nor did his great grandpa who worked under Tobirama.
Why is every next generation in the series cringier and gayer than previous one?
>>284743183Mei got some cheeks...
>>284743539Jewchiha got the Holocaust they deserved whilst Tobirama Senjesus was proven right about everything.
>>284777625>senjew post
>>284753846the issue is he never once is shown reporting back to Konoha any information he got. as far as practically everyone outside of the Third Hokage and Danzo were concerned, Itachi really was just a traitor who decided to be evil for no reason. He on several occasions comes in contact with konoha nin he could've slipped Intel to and instead fought them with the intent to kill. Itachi's face turn reeks of a late-game afterthought just to try and integrate Tobi into the lore.
>>284764826Gaara having siblings makes his back story make no sense. even from the very beginning of their introduction it's shown that Temari at least cares about him and tries to do right by him, so the idea he doesn't know about love or family is total bullshit. Gaara is victim of some of the most absurd retconning in the entire series, to try and justify him becoming buddies with Naruto.
>>284767885>he was hitHis summon was hit
>>284777807>even from the very beginning of their introduction it's shown that Temari at least cares about himShe was afraid of him
>>284763301Shino doesn't need to drain chakra, just filling the puppet with bugs is enough to render it immobile like he did to Kankuro (who actually poisoned him in their fight, meaning Shino above anyone else would actually have experience in fighting somebody like Sasori). 8 Gates Guy or Lee could literally blow away the puppets with their aura, and Raikage is fast enough he could just dodge.
>>284777857she was both scared of and cared about him. Whenever it looked like he got hurt she got worried, and then confidently bragged about how cool and strong her kid brother was whenever he came out on top. Whenever he got unhinged, she was the one to step in and try to calm him down. There was never a point where Temari was said or shown to dislike him. Kankuro was mostly indifferent, maybe cracking jokes. And the actual instant he starts to mellow out, she turns into a massive brocon for him.regardless, my point was they never acted like they weren't not on his side. that he couldn't trust them. that they weren't family. It's why in all of Gaara's flashback scenes, they are never shown at all. Because their mere existence is a paradox for the image this series is trying to present about him.
>>284754694>then he should have outrun the BlastSpeed of summoning something vs outrunning a 10km blast is not the same thing you retard
>>284754068wait, why is fugaku the cuck?
>>284736537Sasuke is a terrible character and the story would've been better without him. I cringed every time he made appearance.
What are the most criminally underused/missused characters?For me it's probably Shino.Honorable mentions are Rock Lee and Neji during part 2, maybe Sakura (genjustsu prodigy, remember how that went nowhere?).The 3 cool guys who were the 3rd hokage's bodyguards literally did nothing of worth the entire show.
"NARUTO" 20th Anniversary's 04 'Brand-New' Special Episodes are scheduled for premiere in LATE 2026!!!All episodes were wrapped up production this year..from sugoilite (very reliable leaker)https://x.com/SugoiLITE/status/2004492687446335689
>>284775707>there isn't a single Uchiha that didn't turn pure evil from the curse of hatredSasuke's mom.
>Madara was gay for Hashirama>Nart was gay for Sauce>Gai was gay for KakashiWhy are all the strongest ninja powered by homolust?
>>284764088Thanks to Obito that got derailed because for whatever psychotic reason instead of trying to perpetuate Madara's ideology, Obito acted antagonistically towards the Ame group and ensured they fucking hated him and would try to kill him. There was no way Nagato was ever going to willingly bring back Madara.
>>284766534Palu n' Sora has the better hood Naruto
>>284764168What?The Mangekyo Sharingan gives each eye a unique jutsu. Sasuke's Rinnegan eye is the one with Amaterasu while his other eye is just Kagutsuchi.By your logic, Kakashi is able to use Obito's OP Kamui ability of phasing through objects.
>>284781950remember when Amaterasu was supposed to be the pinnacle of the Uchiha's mastery of fire release?
>>284782001>pinnacle of Uchiha Fire Mastery>nodiffed and sealed away by JirayaUchihakeks, not like this...
>>284782001Raikage being able to have a conversation for 10 minutes while being on fire makes it worthless.>>284782224Jiraiya wasn't hit by it so I wouldn't count that.
>>284782385my comment was meant to mock the power creep of Shippuden. when Amaterasu was introduced it was supposed to be like the fires of hell, burning with absolute heat for eternity. Which is why Jiraiya had to use a speak sealing jutsu just to get rid of it.
>>284779940Nobody responded
People shit on Jiraiya, but fact was that he made pre-retcon Itachi & Kisame run away because ITACHI was scared of fighting him. Bro was pretty impressive despite getting mogged by his students
>>284782697>People shit on Jiraiyaliterally no one does
>>284782697Everyone made such a big deal out of him, yet Guy ended up being leagues above him (poor writing again). The powercreep really got out of control.
>>284782834You haven’t been in these threads much haven’t you
>>284782697you can argue it's because Itachi was secretly still on Konoha's side and didn't want to fight Jiraiya on moral grounds, so made up an excuse to run.
>>284782917Guy and Jiraiya both had secret information and that's why he survived, let's be real. It's literally the opposite. Kurenai was holding back.The only person who got tricked there was Kisame but on both sides
>>284782965>Kurenai was holding back
>>284783035so you think a Jonin who was trusted with training a Hyuga and an Aburame had no secret information on Itachi? It was all planned bro
>>284783082Kurenai herself admits she's weak for a jonin, doubts her ability to actually train a squad of genin, and retires from being a ninja entirely after only a few years because she decided she wasn't cut out for it. how she ever became a jonin in the first place is a mystery.
>>284783139Jiraiya had no chakra diseases from swapping eyes. only that fact puts him above Itachi on the powerscale
>>284782463Jiraiya just wanted to analyze it since Amaterasu was "new" in the series.How does everyone know what Amaterasu is by looking at it in Shippuden is just mind boggling.
>>284783139They are giving kids the rank of jonin, while Naruto remains genin, shits whacked.
>>284783237originally, Jonin were supposed to be like Special Forces ultra-elite. Itachi being a Jonin was a big deal, he was basically the greatest ninja Konoha had ever had up to that point and was on the fast track to being Hokage. Most ninja were supposed to be Genin regardless of age, the idea that you're supposed to 'graduate' to a Chunin by the time you were a teenager wasn't introduced until Shippuden, mostly to make a joke at Naruto's expense. Remember, Iruka and even Anko were just Chunin (in the latter's case, technically a Special Jonin; a Chunin with Jonin-level skill in only a single area of expertise). yet another example of the extreme power creep.
>>284783139>goes back to the kitchenKurenai confirmed smartest woman in the series.
>>284742865Pain lost most of his mystique once it's revealed that he was just Tobi's lackey and that happened before he even invaded Konoha
>>284783396That's kind of what ruined the villains in naruto, an endless line of puppeteers. It made Pain look like an idiot, he should have been the final villain of the akatsuki, and Kishimoto could have just done a 3rd part with other villains instead of making him look like a fool.
>>284783439Zabuza remains the best villain because he killed Gato
>>284745047>clay jerking tard develops method to counter itachi>gigabrain Orochimaru can't for some reason
>>284783396It was implied in that same scene that Pain intended to fight Obito for dominance.
>look through the official popularity polls to watch the evolution of fan evaluations of characters as the story goes bycool to see some characters go from unloved nobodies to being major power players. Also cool to see Kakashi at multiple points be the most popular character in the series.apparently the Japs REALLY love Iruka, he was in the top 5 for every poll except for the most recent one. despite the fact he has maybe two lines of dialogue after the Chunin exams.
>>284783611Not this anon, but was it? I dont remember.
>>284783139>Kurenai herself admits she's weak for a jonin, doubts her ability to actually train a squad of geninFiller
>>284737090>>Sasuke has no chakra left, as proof his Sharingan is deactivatedThis is your assumption. Sasuke turns it off because his chakra is low and he's conserving it, not because he's out of it. He's still keeping enough chakra in reserve to summon Manda.
>>284783396Every villain was a lackey for another villain.Pain was Obito's, Obito was Madara's, Madara was Black Zetsu's.Other than Madara, Pain and Obito wanted to defy their orders.
>>284741604>That's exposition not a fightDo you know how dumb you sound? "Sure it was explained earlier, but it wasn't explained in a FIGHT, so I'm right!"
>>284743111The only people who like Madara more than Pain are JJK hype and aura slopgobblers, the kind of people to unironically call him Chadara. Madara doesn't have a single moment that's as good as Pain unambiguously beating Naruto in an argument of morality.
>>284783796Konan starts to notice the rain and storm intensify as Obito leaves and begins to ask what Pain's plan was, and then we get a shot of his angry face.
>>284784027And yet Pain lost to Talk no Jutsu instantly afterwards which ruined him.Naruto literally has no answer for Pain and then he just agrees with it and offs himself.
>>284784104I will reread it and check that out.
>>284778101Except he took 3 business day to start doing anything to escape.
>>284784377the escape is bullshit because as a visual medium we see nothing he does but the author says "trust me bro" as he can't draw it and the more he draws attention to the facts of his escape (how did he even summon it) it becomes less plausible
>>284784669This is the only argument I agree with.Sasuke was never out of chakra but how the fuck did he>summon Manda>cast a genjutsu on him instantly>go inside his mouthAt least if he's inside Manda, he has more time to do all this.
>>284784749Notice how the angle stays on Deidara while his final bomb is charging up. Sasuke is offscreen preparing while he does that. Deidara is too mindbroken to comment on it.
>>284784816But Manda is humongous lmaoSasuke's fast too, I guess
>>284783824I'm going to filler, if you know what I mean.
Why are people butthurt that Naruto pretty much forced everyone to pardon Sasuke even if they didn't like it? Its not like the other villages didn't do similar shit with Kumo attempting to yoink loli Hinata away and then daring Konoha to do something about it.Might makes right in Narutoland, its just how it is and apart from Naruto its not like anyone else could have done shit to Sasuke anyway
After all these years I got enlightened. Actually The Will of Fire is the strongest genjutsu...
>>284785089Which h-game sloppa is this from?
>>284785566Some chinese mobile game
>>284784816We do see Sasuke doing absolutely nothing as Deidara explodes actually
>shonen babies are confused by the fact the writer decided who would win from the start and power levels/rules/abilities don't actually matterWhat a waste of brain power this thread is.
>>284786378execution is everything. this fight fails
>>284786523Name a single good fight in Naruto manga that didn't have problems in its execution. Even the good ones had their fair share of issues
>>284786705nta but>Minato vs Obito>Lee vs Gaara>Jiraiya vs Painwere all executed well
is it true that anbu agents are fat?
>>284779650>Sasuke is a terrible characterExplain why in detail and use no buzzwords. I dare you.
>>284787600Inconsistent characterization: Sasuke oscillates between sympathetic, vengeful, repentant, and cold. Critics argue shifts especially late-series changes are abrupt or underexplained, making his arc feel uneven.Moral ambiguity vs. sympathy imbalance: The series positions Sasuke as both victim (trauma, clan massacre) and perpetrator (betrayal, attempted genocide-level plans). Many viewers feel the narrative foregrounds his trauma and talent without giving equal weight to the consequences of his choices, producing moral dissonance.Relatability decline: Early Sasuke (haunted avenger, hardworking rival) was accessible. As he adopts extremist goals and increasingly solitary behavior, fewer viewers find his motivations relatable or justified.Plot convenience and power escalations: Sasuke receives rapid power boosts, special ocular abilities, and privileged plot moments (access to secret knowledge, tranquil returns). That can read as favoritism or deus ex machina, frustrating viewers who prefer earned progression.
>>284787836>pasta obviously.Relationship handling: His treatment of teammates—especially Sakura—and abrupt decisions (leaving Konoha, rejecting bonds repeatedly) are seen as emotionally cold and damaging to other characters’ development. Critics argue the story sometimes glosses over harm he causes.Redemption and absolution: Sasuke’s late redemption and reintegration into the village strike some as insufficiently earned given his prior actions, producing a sense that narrative consequences were softened for convenience or nostalgia.Fanbase polarization and shipping wars: Intense fandom debates (e.g., Naruto vs. Sasuke, Sasuke–Sakura shipping) amplify negative perceptions; persistent online vitriol labels him extreme in both directions.
>>284786705people generally don't like this fight because it has no stakes, it ruined and killed Deidara by quickly introducing a plot about hating Itachi and worshipping him that had no long-lasting importance, and it ended in an asspull way about teleporting dimensional jutsu. All fights have problems but this one is retarded
>>284787836>Critics argue
can i get a link to download the manga IN COLOR pls?
>>284787600I really don't care what people say Sasuke never should have gotten the ending he did. I mean the guy was a straight monster. I do understand why he did what he did at first, but even after he found out the truth about why his brother did what he did he completely spit in the face of Itachi's heroism and sacrifice. I mean Sasuke went on to join the Akatsuki even though they were the biggest evil at the time. He tries to kill half the people in the Leaf Village plus he tries to kill both Naruto and Sakura numerous times. Yet he ends up getting the Fairy Tail ending at the end. Such garbage. Shikamaru should have had a bigger storyline. He was one of the first to befriend and follow Naruto. Naruto ended up becoming his dream. His dream was to help Naruto become Hokage. He should have been Naruto's best friend not the traitor Sasuke. Shikamaru was always there for Naruto would not hesitate to be by his side or help him. He was more of a brother to Naruto then Sasuke ever was. Shikamaru is best boy and he deserves so much more recognition. What do yall think?
>>284788150After recently rereading Akatsuki Supression everyone agreed Shikamaru wank has already gone too far.
>>284788150Shikamaru was a turbocunt and author's pet that needed to be bullied more
>>284788018just read the daily with the nartbros
>>284788150>spit in the face of Itachi's heroism and sacrifice.If you found out your brother or cousin or whomever murdered your parents and everyone you knew and loved on the orders of the government, would you go home and pledge allegiance to that government?
>>284787836>>284787861thanks, ChatGPT.
>>284788247no...
>>284787600Explain to me how his presence past Itachi's death improves the story.
>>284782697>People shit on JiraiyaRightfully because in the story he's a lazy asshole who doesn't teach naruto anything after a two time skip and spends most of part 2 doing nothing off-screen.
>>284788785He would because he’s a beta bitch.
>>284762238And yet they’re all jobbers who can’t do shit in the story
>>284789508>can't do itThought so.
>>284782697>People shit on JiraiyaHe deserves to be shit on. Just look at this shit >>284791643This is the THIRD time Naruto get stuck in genjutsu despite Jiraiya supposedly teaching him how to break out of it.>he made pre-retcon Itachi & Kisame run away because ITACHI was scared of fighting himYou really are mentally ill.https://desuarchive.org/a/search/text/Itachi%20Kisame%20run%20away/https://desuarchive.org/a/search/text/Itachi%20Kisame%20run%20/
>>284788247Reading archives is pain though
>>284795780Say that again
>>284788018open your mouth newfag nyaa(DOT)si/view/1619360
