Is there a phenomenon that explains this? Am I autistic?
ADHD
>>284759392Whose mood are you representing?The industry?The fans?You?
>>284759517I am me.
>>284759392Because in the former case you're expecting to sit through a continuous plot, while in the latter it gives you the illusion that you can take breaks in-between
>>2847593925x12 = 60, anon
The low number of episodes per season and binge culture has gotten people into the mindset that they should be able to sit down and binge something all at once. If there's artificial breaks between seasons they can think they're finishing something by binging, but if the series is a full 50+ episodes with nothing breaking them up then these people can't binge it all in one sitting and they think they can't take breaks while watching it.
No, you're just a Japanese executive cutting apart shit because muh line must go up reasons
>>284759583No you're not, I'm me!
>>284759805You are you.
>>284759805"I'm me", he says.
>>284759392My take on it is, there exists no anime with above 24 episodes that does not end up being meandering shit. A high episode count is a reliable predictor of bad quality and lack of any semblance of a story arc.
>>284759630OP here. Thanks I think this makes the most sense for me.
Four cours adaptions often stretch the source material too thin. Production values are also easier to keep up by heaving breaks between the cours, though in several cases they still collapsed anyway.
>>284759805If you're me, then who am I?
>>284759800More like risk aversion because they don't have infinite 80s economy moneyThere's still a show once in a while that gets a long continuous run but they're usually adaptions.
>>284759392Honestly I prefer the 52 episodes. With that, I immediately know what I'm getting into. Plus, the production will remain consistent throughout.
>>284760131So your take is sour grapes?>this thing is bad because I don't want to spend the time on it>>284760181Depends entirely on how long the source is. This makes no sense as a generalization if you apply it to a 5 volume manga vs a 20 volume one.
>>284759805hahaha, good post, "me"
>>284760240>one pieceActually I think you're onto something, it remained consistently shit for over a decade.
>>284759392Because even thought it may not actually be the case a single 52 episodes season gives the impression of having much slower pacing that multiple small ones
>>284760181>Four cours adaptions often stretch the source material too thin.BECAUSE NOBODY FUCKING WAITS UNTIL THE SOURCE IS FINISHED ANYMOREANIME IS GLORIFIED COMMERCIALS FOR LIGHT NOVELS AND SHIT NOWTHAT'S WHY IT SUCKSTHERE'S NO ENDING IN MIND, IT'S JUST A SET UP AND THE FIRST CLIMAX AND THEN A VAGUE ASSERTION IT WILL CONTINUE AND NEVER DOESFUCK ANIME
>>284760423Watch originals.
>>284760326No, my take is what I wrote, not your IQ 70 reading on it. Read it again, this time more carefully, then apologize and leave this board forever.
>>284760440thanks einstein I never considered a solution to my problem once my whole life
>>284760423>ANYMORELots of adaptions for ongoing series in the 80s. 70s and 60s as well, though many of those were rather loose adaptions.
>>284760490How about you try having opinions that aren't shit and objectively false?
>>284760513Well maybe you would have if you weren't so blinded by autistic rage. Glad I could help.
>>284760519>How about you try having opinions that aren't shit and objectively false?Good suggestion. Here is one. Your parents are ashamed of you and wish you were never born.
>>284760573>anon is furious that someone doesn't agree with his brainless assertations
>>284760326>This makes no sense as a generalization if you apply it to a 5 volume manga vs a 20 volume one.Volume count alone doesn't really say much about the density of a series.But if you compare adaptions of the same material you'll see that old anime took more than twice as many episodes to cover the same content.
>>284759392there are a lot of anime with 50+ episodes that don’t go anywhere and are exhaustingly repetitive because they use the same episodic formula with the same reused animations from start to the end, one example of this that I’m struggling to finish right now is Futari wa Precure (the first Precure)with the 12 episode formula (one season), the author often only has a contract for a single season, and the anime has to get good numbers for them to secure a contract for the next one, so they are basically forced to conclude an arc in 12 episodes and grab your attention with the anime’s concept, characters, and their motivations
>>284760668>high school tier comebackWas your response so weak because you are panicking that I am wiping the floor with you here or is this actually the best you can muster?
>>284759759That's stupid. Not to mention with recent seasonal projects running there are more chances to either fumble the bag adaptation-wise or animation-wise. I mean shit, One Punch Man is the biggest culprit and example of how an idea which was supposed to be a better compromise on both sides can become nothing but a toxic bane.
>>284760677Yes, that's the issue, they're forced to write a short form story. And then if the anime gods allow it they can do another short form story. It's an annoying limitation and why I generally prefer manga, since for as many issues as manga has, it isn't being shoehorned into a certain number of chapters with the inability to do anything else. >>284760669You have the opposite problem now. And in some cases a 12 episode series "adapts" an entire manga, essentially adapting the beginning, a little of the middle, and then the end, skipping everything else. And that's not considering if they want to try and adapt 5+ chapters per episode to the point where it feels like a highlight reel. The Biscuit Hammer adaptation had a million other problems but this was an issue too. They skipped over quite a bit already but then what was there felt like it was paced way too quickly.
>>284759759Says a lot about our society. I binged 50+ episodes of the original Fullmetal Alchemist back in 2005. Modern anime "fans" are pussies.
>>284760746Why should I respond with any kind of argument to you just insulting me because you're retarded and can't back up what you say? The cour system as it currently is is terrible and makes it impossible to tell any kind of significant story. You're left making essentially a long movie split into episodes and 99% of people involved have no idea how to handle the time. You'd think the planning that goes into it and the low length would result in a high percentage of good stuff but it doesn't. Anime is a shit medium held back by even shittier staff in basically every studio.
>>284759392adhd, like >>284759458 saidbig "tasks" are a lot easier to handle if split into smaller partswhenever I read a manga volume I delete the pages after reading every chapter, seeing the total number of pages go down makes it easier to finish
>>284760863Not reading your post, sorry. The length of it spells out your butthurt all too clearly.
>>284760863>makes it impossible to tell any kind of significant storythis is fucking retarded, ~4 hours is more than enough time to tell a significant storyyou could even do it in 10 minutes if you wanted to, there are many short movies that do just that
>>284760907>can't pay attention enough to watch anime longer than 24 episodes>can't read a post of more than 2 sentencesThis is the kind of person they make anime for now.
>>284760866>tasksWhy do zoomies treat anime/manga like something to be completed instead of something to be enjoyed? Why force yourself to watch/read something if you're just waiting for it to be over? Just watch something else ffs
>>284760863TV anime isn't made to tell touching and interesting stories, it's made to fill TV slots. Do you also expect cooking shows to have world-class chefs?
>>284760958I guess the quotation marks weren't enough to make you understand I didn't mean tasks literally, I'll keep your autism in mind next time I say something
>>284760958Because I'm not a normalfag and I take anime seriously.>zoomiesUse real words for fucks sake
>>284760423>BECAUSE NOBODY FUCKING WAITS UNTIL THE SOURCE IS FINISHED ANYMOREBut that was much more common before. Anime original filler arcs are pretty much a thing of the past
>>284760958Gotta keep up with the memes. Also MAL number go up.
>>284761006>I take anime seriously.lol lmao even
>>284761022the vast majority of anime aren't shonenshit, you know?
>>284761056I understand the confusion seeing as your life is a joke.
>>284761022>Anime original filler arcs are pretty much a thing of the pastYeah now we get>adapt 1/3 of the source and never continue>adapt the whole source but cut out 90% of the middle, otherwise you'd have to make more than 12 episodes>adapt most/all of the manga but the seasons are years apart and so it takes 10+ years to finishThe last one is funny because a lot of people on /a/ don't want to read a manga over 10 years while it's ongoing but apparently don't care if they need to wait 10 years for the anime to finish.
>>284761062It's not exclusive to shounenshit.
>>284760941Cope and seethe, I guess.
>>284759392The season format requires some degree of success in order to keep going
>>284761062Normalfags don't know that 4+ cour originals still get made.
>>284760677I think this may come from the days when you had shit like pokemon/yugioh/one piece/dragon ball/naruto/bleach (shit that was localized on american television) that ran for hundreds of episodes and as a result had to contain massive amounts of anime original filler that stretched the pacing and ended up feeling like entire episodes were a waste of time. So now you see these large episode counts and think it could be a sign of the same filler and pacing problems.
>>284760802i used to consume more anime than manga for most of my life, nowadays something like 70% of my consumption is manga. for me, an anime not getting a contract for another 12 episode season doesn’t affect me, because if I’m enjoying it I’ll keep reading it in the manga, which almost 100% of the time is superior to its adaptationif an anime can’t get your attention in 12 episodes, it’s not worth continuing to watch. I’ve watched many OVAs where the author manages to capture my attention, introduce characters, and conclude the anime’s idea in just two OVAs.
>>284759392Climaxes and "closure" are put in different spots with different intensity, kind of
>>284760958People can draw enjoyment from the steady progress of tasks.
>>284760958trained to be workers from birth. do you ever wonder why "productivity" is such a recurring buzzword?
>>284761280I don't understand your obsession with the "getting your attention" thing. If a 12 episode adaptation is enjoyable I'll wish it had more episodes immediately, or at least eventually, but there's not even any guarantee of that. And if there's a good adaptation of a manga I like I'll also wish it had more episodes to adapt more of it. "The manga is still there" means nothing because it's the adaptation we're talking about and not getting more of a good adaptation is something that I won't like.
>>284761429>I don't understand your obsession with the "getting your attention" thingi know that you understand that the main motivation for the industry to make an anime is to make money, and to make money they need to get the audience’s attention, and in the end what matters are the numbers.>if there's a good adaptation of a manga I like I'll also wish it had more episodes to adapt more of ithere we get into the question of personal taste, and personal taste is exactly what the term says, “it’s personal”. it’s obvious that a fan of something will want more content of the thing they like, but you have to ask yourself: for the industry, is it actually good/interesting to produce more of what I personally liked?it’s a waste of time nowadays, in an anime and manga market as oversaturated as it is today, to produce 50 episodes of an anime when you’re not sure it will get consumer approval, if you can make the same bet spending fewer resources on just 12. you must also agree that the retention time needed to capture the new generation’s interest is getting shorter and shorter; you can’t say “hey, watch this new anime you know nothing about, maybe you’ll like it after watching 50 episodes.”srry for the long txt here a cute Illya
>>284761914The only thing this tells me is that the industry and audience are faulty. I'm someone watching the anime, so I don't give a shit what the backend is like to get something I like made. If something I like can't get made then that isn't my problem and is a problem with the industry. Especially when the manga industry keeps creating things I like that don't immediately die. So obviously an audience exists in some way, unless people exist that read manga but don't watch any anime at all, but again, that may be a fault of the industry in some way. I've never in this thread been arguing in terms of industry. If they need to cater to someone else that isn't me then fine, but that's something I can and will complain about.
>>284759392>phenomenonHow long have you been watching anime? Anime is mainly an advertisement for its source material. If the anime results in more sales of the source material, more anime is made. If not many people bought stuff related to the source material, there is no reason to continue producing it.
>>28476246611 years now I'm an eternal newfag.
>>284762466it’s that simple, I didn’t understand the point of making a thread questioning the way anime is released nowadays if the OP doesn’t want you to mention how the anime industry works, because as he himself said, he doesn’t give a shit about who makes anime or about people who don’t share the same tastes as himthis thread just sounds like a child whinning because something he liked stopped being produced due to low demand.
>>284760440oh yeah all the originals we get every season now
>>284762891If you're talking about this post, >>284762221I'm not OP. But you act like complaining that stuff you like isn't made isn't how /a/ has acted for over a decade at this point. It's just usually about isekai instead of about the fundamental structure of the medium. Also this argument is always stupid because if it was true originals wouldn't exist. True, they're not as common as adaptations, but if the entire medium was solely for adaptations we wouldn't get any originals. Though it might as well be like that to some people who complain about no originals but then don't watch any originals that do get made.
>>28475963920 episodes are anime original filler
>>284759392Those are completely different products.Paying for 52 episodes of anime means that you already have a product that makes money, and you advertise the product through anime. Back in the days they prepared toy robot series to produce for the whole year, and matching anime series to attract kids. If it was a hit (like Mazinger universe), it would get extended until everyone died from exhaustion. Today only very big franchises can allocate such funds. Go to AniDB, search for 40+ episode full length TV series in the last 5 years. PreCure, Digimon, Bakugan, YuGiOh, Beyblade, other collectible games for kids, 3D anime with Sanrio characters. Those will be made no matter what, even if Godzilla appears. Works based on manga (and funded by publishers), even the hit ones, are much more cautious. They keep the eye on the ratings, and invest in short season after short season. It also allows pauses for sane production schedules. Shaman King was probably one of the last big long projects.When TV still mattered, broadcast networks sometimes invested in big original anime projects to attract viewers. Those had A LOT of extra publicity for that same reason.Most other anime actually does not attract enough viewers to be profitable by itself. Studios pay for late night slots, then get re-runs on cable channels and streaming services. A single season there is just the smallest convenient form for studios, channels, investors, etc.
>>284760440All three of them?
>Anime: 27 episode with a proper ending so no sequel bait:)
>>284760958There are people out there who only ever felt joy when experience progress bar grew enough to reach a new level. Game interface isekais appeared not because their authors are dumb. Their audience simple does not understand how to feel about anything else.
>>284760423>anymoredoes he know?
>>284761280>I’ve watched many OVAs where the author manages to capture my attention, introduce characters, and conclude the anime’s idea in just two OVAs.I've seen too many that ended up aborted because the first OVA didn't sell well enough. Cours are a better format. Some more variety in episode length could be nice. There's too many series getting forced into a 30 minute slot when 5-15 would be better.
>>284759759>50+ episodes with nothing breaking them up then these people can't binge it all in one sittingOn a free day it's possible in theory.
>>284764241This, why is anyone trying to deduce quality from an episode count, especially on top of comparing between eras where the same show could have a completely opposite production cycle? Barring a really obvious red flag like those long-winded Isekai titles, the only way to tell quality is to watch.
