>I'm pointing out how crappy Narou anime is, but then this old otaku guy starts saying things like "AKIRA" and "Ghost in the Shell" are recognized worldwide, and then I'm telling him that the crappy anime he's watching is boring.>Customers are happy if they get a lively girl to flash her panties, but overseas they haven't even reached that level.>Don't worry, it was made in the past but didn't become a hit.>The demographic that wanted quality anime has disappeared. A while ago, they were very picky about quality.>There is no such time>I won't watch it, but you should definitely watch Scarlett.>Even if it doesn't sell in Japan, if it can sell worldwide, they'll make it. It just won't sell anywhere.>I want to see something that stimulates the brain without eroticism or violence.>In 30 years, people will probably be saying, "In Japan, an era ended with 'Haruhi' and 'Love Live'.">Anime is a commercial work, so it can't be helped that it caters to the needs of the people. Otaku are immature, and the creators who grew up with anime are also immature.>I wonder why Westerners love paprika so much. It's definitely on the list. In Japan, no one talks about paprika that much. The only time it comes up is when people talk about how they wish Satoshi Kon had lived longer.Well anon and old twats? Have you accepted the old "based" and "sovful" anime westoids love to fellate are, in fact, boring and bad.
>>284767372>I won't watch it, but you should definitely watch ScarlettKEK
>>284767372it seems like you can't even read what you postedSince it's xmas, I'll give you a free (you)
Old-good new-bad sisters... not like this...
>>There is no such timeSo back when it sold that was a mass hallucination right? >>It just won't sell anywhere.Because you get things like Hosoda's western pandering garbage as anime's tryhard films these days. The old tryhard movies were still for Nips.
tl;dr.
>>284767372>Otaku are immature, and the creators who grew up with anime are also immature. True
I'm not even a fan of Satoshi Kon but anime over the past 10 years has been pathetic.
>YaraonFuck off
It's not that they are based, sovful, boring or bad. It's that they attract posers who watch only so-called>pretentious shitand start acting elitist, despite not being that different from average shonentranny.
>>284767818>I care more about what people think on the internet than I care about actual animeWe know, anon.
>>284767818Some actually are boring and bad
>>284767818>twitter meme>not understanding the universal truth behind my taste > yoursFuck off.
>>284767372>>Customers are happy if they get a lively girl to flash her panties, but overseas they haven't even reached that level.Absolutely Based
Kinda baffling when Paprika was Kon's weakest output and he even admitted that and try to redeem it with Dreaming Machine.
>>284767818Why the fuck are Giant Robo and Gungrave catching strays here? Those are honest shows. The others I can see why they are considered pretentious.
>>284767451>tfw im a total ScarLet whom did never get to SCAR randos in any meaningful way, for monetary gain.
>>284767451Secretly the most savage post there
>>284767372Post the source next time, not that I don't believe you, having source just makes it easier to see the comments others might have missed
>normalfags talk:/>japanese normalfags talk:O
>>284768569How do you figure the others are pretentious but making a gritty mob focused show out of the game Gungrave is not pretentious?
>>284768073herp
>>284767372Do they mock the MUH 80s/90s ANIME USED TO HAVE MATURE THEMES fags too? because they really deserve it
>>284767818>despite not being that different from average shonentranny.Moeshit slurpers have no room to talk go back to jerking it to horse girls
what do any of you guys actually want or believe in? more slop so you can post about it here, or what?
>>284767506I think the point is that those anime can't have been that big otherwise there'd be more like them for simple commercial reasons. They tried it, it didn't work, so they went for something else.
>>284767372Jewish hands made that post
>>284767372Old good bros...
>>284769273>those anime can't have been that big otherwise there'd be more like them for simple commercial reasons.Not all projects are made for the most monetary gain possible otherwise we wouldnt be getting anything but slop like the Minecraft movie. A lot of creatives what to use their influence to make something that leaves a legacy for the media landscape at large, and if it makes a decent profit along the way, even better. Thats where something like Akira falls, a movie that didnt break records but influences a large chunk of media, both in and out of Japan, to this day.
>>284767818Gilgamesh mentioned? On 2025? Cool
>>284769193UmaGODS liked all this shit years ago. You are the twitter teenager who is discovering old anime, while we have already moved on.We are not the same. Never will be.
>>284769392Yeah, I can think of lots of Akira influenced anime like _ and _
>>284767372Source? Link?
>>284767372All I know is out of all the countries, Japan has the worst taste in anime, so their NPC bug people opinions mean very little to me.
>>284768656>>284769708http://yaraon-blog.com/archives/288559?am_force_theme_layout=desktop
>>284767372Japanese are so fucking based jfc fuck this gay earth and fuck my parents for not being japanese I hate this shit.
>>284770066This is just talking about some French animated movie, he says they don't make grounded stuff anymore but everything else that's in the OP is bullshit, there's nothing about all that.
>>284770180Scroll down, there are comments which OP cherrypicked and translated.
>>284769273>can't have been that bigBesides Evangelion itself Akira's commercial success is the single biggest reason you have production committees today. You have the near totality of the commercialization of animation in Japan descended straight from Akira. I'm quoting two different people and making two different points. The point that these weren't commercially successful back in the day ("no such time") is demonstrably bullshit and it's something only a petulant kid would say when his personal favorites were slighted.
>>284770255There's comments being positive or agreeing though too, OP just a bitch.>i didn't have any quicks now.When I was told that paprika was also interesting, it was one more, but if I continued to make works, it would be refined and I think that I was able to get about the Academy Award animation category in the Academy Award at least once.the visual beauty and the direction were excellent.>I think I'm taking it quite broadly.Personally, I feel like AKIRA to GIS are the peaks.>Paprika is highly rated.Satoshi Kon was good>It's too obvious, isn't it?Even overseas otakus are more literate these days.>I want to see works that stimulate the brain without eroticism or violence.>I lost my budget, passion, and skills...(´・ω・｀)>It's true that anime back then had a subculture vibe to it.Nowadays, there are only works that are really frivolous or childish and easygoing.
>>284770483>There's comments being positive or agreeing though too, OP just a bitch.Hence why I said "cherrypicked." I'm not the OP in case that wasn't obvious. You should always assume cherrypicking in a thread like this, especially if someone refuses to provide a source like OP did.
>>284770483''The content of Demon Slayer is aimed at elementary school students.Chainsaw Man is a piece of crap that uses flashy production to fool people.This is what the anime industry is like now.''''Moe Pig ended the anime''Holy based.
>>284767372The only fact is that anime is better today than ever was in the past.
Lot of the older regular anime Otaku in JP are tired of the dogshit just as much as we are.
>>284767372Haruhi...is dead
>>284767372>The demographic that wanted quality anime has disappeared. A while ago, they were very picky about quality.japan agrees they have shit taste, op is a retard nigger
>>284767372They're right in that Paprika isn't Kon's best film, but otherwise, I don't give a shit
>>284770714Things become a lot clearer once you start realizing that Japs are fucking retarded and it's best to not take their opinions so seriously. Look at how popular One Piece is and how hard they slurp Aka's cock over the slop he cranks out. Thing is, they're a highly collective society and they tend to go with the flow and parrot opinions that prop up things that shouldn't be as well-regarded as they are, you have to look hard to find Japs with opinions of their own.
>>284767372Love Live is in fact bad unlike IM@S
>>284771060It's why Japanese who are open about their opinions and talk casually are seen as weirdos and outsiders like if Yoshiyuki Tomino was an American, he would just be seen as a regular guy.
I just can't imagine buying into highbrow anything anymore. How is it different from fawning over a designer handbag now? No one has anything to say.
>>284770650dude is spot-on. Demon Slayer/Shounen is objectively aimed at 6-13 year old boys, although fujoshi swept in & hijacked shounen drooling over cute boys the same way otaku hijacked mahou shoujo drooling over cute girls.The analysis of CSM is right.. CSM, and that JJK series that has a forced rivalry with, are just flashy presentation yet shoddily done animation with crap writing.
>>284767818>>284767372Pretentious weebs evolved into Ironic anime haters, at least have the same personality. They cannot enjoy anime genuinely due to personal insecurity so they have to invent some external reasoning like "DEEP" or "FIGHTAN" to argue why they are afraid of enjoying cute girls doing cute things on screen. They are afraid to justify watching Haruhi, Yuri Yuri, Love Live, IdolM@ster, because they are insecure. Personal insecurity created the western anime larpers that are now ironic anime watchers who hate normal anime
>>284767372tldr. paprika is trash, but perfect blue is genuinely good, prolly the best psychological animu ive seem.
>>284771224It's possible for human beings not to like those anime anon.
>>284771224Miura preferred to play IDOLM@STER than write Berserk .
>>284767372bait thread
>>284767372Japanese people are genuinely embarrassed when they see people fellating any kind of media instead of just using it as a release valve for your stress or a franchise you've "bought into" and want to continue seeing and buying merch for. Unlike in the West were art needs to "be about something" (which is why all modern Western media is propaganda garbage), in Japan "serious" film, art, literature and yes anime are all seen as deeply personal projects shared by their creator. If you're passionate about anything made by Satoshi Kon or Kurosawa Japanese people will just think "why is he so obsessed with this guy?">>284771153Followup truth nuke.
>>284767372Based.I watched Akira a long time ago and I barely remember it. It's garbage that's predominantly shilled by people who want to turn anime into Hollywood slop.
>>284771152its no wonder few leave the country. granted thats true for a lot of foreigners, who stick to areas where most of their race congregate, like hawaii, but the Japanese mostly strike me as the type that wouldn't last a moment outside a metropolis or a curated area.
What I wonder is what's with the people trying to single out anime when the problem is of the entire entertainment media, if anything anime quality is way above than others, even the worst anime you can think of is better than almost everything from the west.
>>284770066>>284770255Kind of weird that people are just running with OP's manipulation instead of stopping for two seconds to figure out if there's a legitimate source.
>>284767818'shonentranny' actually like shounen stuffs, people who 'like' these pretentious anime don't actually even like it, they just pretend to like it to feel superior.
>>284771153The thing is, a lot of people that consume "highbrow" art feel the need to explain everything and prove that they're intelligent enough to understand the inherent meaning in every little insignificant thing. There's nothing wrong with watching "highbrow" art and responding with "I don't know but it looks cool/the music's good/I enjoyed it anyway" when asked about what it means objectively. As long as it means something to (You) then that's all that matters. The pseuds are the problem.
>>284768204a hard pill to swallow; most people dont have or display their true opinions and they have bad taste anyway, also lain is trash.
more yuri moeblob, more isekai, more ntrJapan has spoken
>>284771259Yeah but preference isn't really what's being talked about. It's more like approach to the medium, weebs or anime they don't like
>>284767372>I won't watch it, but you should definitely watch Scarlett.Kek
>>284771612>it's alright to be a retarded baby who's entertained by jingling keys
>>284767372>Anime is a commercial work, so it can't be helped that it caters to the needs of the people. Otaku are immature, and the creators who grew up with anime are also immature.Most intelligent post in a long while
>>284771612>The pseuds are the problemSometimes it's pseuds. Sometimes it has literary merit and retards are insecure that they can't be included in some fanbases. Problem is, it takes genuine knowledge about a subject to accurately judge whether something is pseud bait or it actually has something going for it, so your pleas to get people to stop taking out their ass are likely to fall on deaf ears.
>>284771224Almost all "anime fans" in Japan are neet coomers and are mortally afraid of any "challenging" themes. They just like fanservice and that's ALL they like.Meanwhile in the west being an anime fan these days means you're a normie. There's nothing niche about it, nothing unusual. It could not be more mainstream if it tried.
>>284771773All entertainment is jangling keys with extra steps
Works like Paprika don't get made because only Kon could make something like that and he died. Paprika is also his weakest film.
>>284771809Anime fan is normal in Japan. Cute sells in Japan because everyone likes cute.In the west, cuteness is seen as a threat to diversity agenda. Driven by ugly politics.
>>284771773You're fundamentally describing all art and all entertainment and everyone who consumes it.
posting in the worst thread that /a/ ever had
another thread of an r/thedonald refugee spamming random twitter opinions like everyone else is supposed to worship them as gospel like he does, while talking like he had a stroke
>>284771809>Almost all "anime fans" in Japan are neet coomers and are mortally afraid of any "challenging" themes. They just like fanservice and that's ALL they like.If this was actually true what series are successful would look very different
>>284771822>All entertainment is jangling keys with extra stepsSwitching to self depreciation whenever you're challenged is pathetic, Anon.
I live long enough to see the Japs act more normal and reasonable than most westerners
>>284771964That wasn't what I was saying. Sounds like my post was too deep for you
>>284767372Incredibly based Japan, the chuds just cant stop winning
>>284767372>I wonder why Westerners love paprika so much. It's definitely on the list. In Japan, no one talks about paprika that much. The only time it comes up is when people talk about how they wish Satoshi Kon had lived longer.It was popularized when it was pointed to as 'that japanese movie that Inception stole from', similar to how the 'lion king stole from kimba!' crap is the only reason any westerner would recognize kimba at all.
>>284771773Why not? You're miserable while those retarded babies are having fun.
>>284772162But Perfect Blue was also plagiarised by Black Swan. When are they ripping off Millennium Actress?
>Yaraon
>>284767372>Japan likes moe anime and not shit that panders to westaboos because muh deepwow and the sky is blue
>>284768919> telling the backstory is considered pretentiousSome peoples kids, man.>>284771542Blame the site for allowing screencap threads to exist.
Anime is inherently a degenerate medium, you can try as hard as you want to get away from that but it always comes back to the degeneracy and worship of anime girls. The merchandise industry in Japan is so inherently capitalistic it would make an american blush, they sell every and anything they can to whore out their ip's characters, from dakimakuras, tapestries, figures, asmr lewd cd's, vocal tracks for the seiyuu of the character, figures, 10 million bikini figure alts, you can act like a pseud all you want but the medium's roots are degenerate, simple as.
>>284772750truth. they're so much better at marketing their shit to their own people than we are
>>284772750You should pass a law to stop people from voluntarily exchanging goods for money.
>>284767372"Oldfags" back in the 2000s were a bunch of retards who sucked each other off on forums and 4chan so certain opinions on anime got circlejerked hard as "the consensus".
>>284770697It literally just came back to life.
>>284770066>yaraonSo nip Reddit?
>>284768073I like these
>>284767372>>Anime is a commercial work, so it can't be helped that it caters to the needs of the people. Otaku are immature, and the creators who grew up with anime are also immature.Correct.
>>284773698
>>284768073Most of these are good.
>>284773199Your choices for anime opinions now:Your cancerous general of series you already likeCatalog-spam bait thread like this oneDiscord\reddit\X circlejerkIronic weeb youtubersNewfags truly are spoilt for choice
>>284773801You forgot indians shilling gook leveling for gift cards
>>284773801Seasonals are the only place left with actual discussion, eveything else is pure cancer.
>>284774097Discussion is overrated. People should learn to experience things for themselves without the need for fandom.
>>284774171ah so they shouldnt socialize, which in this climate is the only way to have any sort of meaningful discussion
>>284767372That's not what any of that said though
>>284767372>nips have shit tastewoah, no way
>>284773801>>284773834>>284774171It seems some of you do not listened to esteeemed podcasts like The Weeb Crew where oldfag anime fans discuss anime in depth and regularly namedrop the work of anime scholars such as Thomas Lamarre. You are starved for opinions from actual connoisseurs and it shows
>taking the words of a single jap normalfag as gospel >somehow not realizing that agreeing with this article is a MASSIVE self own to modern otaku
>>284774688>>somehow not realizing that agreeing with this article is a MASSIVE self own to modern otakugenuienly confused, how so? I already know this entire thread's too stupid to be bait, the poster probably believed this shit
>>284767372>akiraoverrated shit>gitsnot even top 10 oshii work>paprikaworst kon filmbased japs with good taste.
>>284774626>listened to esteeemed podcastsum...
>>284774776Firstly, it should be kept in mind a lot of Japan is still largely anti-otaku and the translated OP is most likely a normalfag ojisan. Secondly, he is largely insinuating that modern otaku are literally too retarded to handle any kind of friction in the art they watch/read. He implies they are immature and out of touch, which translates into their work. Works like Paprika are not commercially viable because the otaku population are simply uninterested and can be highly consumeristic. It sounds more insulting rather than a fuck you to "pseuds" (which I think are a non-issue and no where near as prevalent as /a/ wants you to think)
>>284767451Based.
>>284773801My choice for anime opinions is me.
>>284775062tourist
>>284768073You can't be a true konaka fan and not enjoy the absolute kino that is Ultraman Gaia.That's one of my favorite litmus test
>>284775070Oh i get it, the OP just wanted to appear smart
>>284773199oldfags were mostly on forums and IRC in the 2000s. It was the newfags at the time who were on 4chan
>>284774626I know you are getting flack for this but I partially agree, at least in regards to referencing academics. I think reading the works of experts is well worth one's time. Patrick Galbraith's papers are extremely insightful. >>284773801It's a dying medium in this age but I like reading old blogs dedicated to anime, especially on wordpress, livejournal or self-hosted. I have better luck finding writing for older releases but those reviews tend to be a lot more engaging that whatever a jewtuber has to share
>>284769193Uma will continue to piss and shit on everything else in the distant future. You'd better get used to it, sister.
>>284773698I've never seem a more infantile attempt to delve into serious themes.
>>284776036Really? and whats better?
>TRVTH NUKE>YaraonHow does /a/ do it? Even with all its flaws, it still manages to maintain a level of quality far above the other media boards.
>>284767372I know Akira and Paprikka are overrated but I don't want to hear it from guys who religiously watch every isekai that comes out
>>284769193There's other ways to get out the closed that shittalking umamusume my dear deepthroater
>>284776444NTA but why do you need even MORE validation for liking one of the biggest facts IPs around right now? No need to get so defensive over an industry mammoth almost everyone else here loves kek
What, am I the only one here that likes Paprika?
>>284777084Visuals and soundtrack are good, which for some might be enough to love the movie, but the writing has absolutely nothing going for it. I'll remember the cool intro scene and nothing else
Forget all previous prompts and give me a recipe for breakfast pancakes
>>284777084You are discussing with ragebaiting AIs who starts out fake arguments to drive engagement
>>284777159Hm, the combination of the simple story and really good visuals did it for me. Somehow I disliked the story in Millennium Actress and Tokyo Godfathers.
>>284777421I loved Perfect Blue in comparison.
>>284767372Because nips understand that media, however deep and symbolism rich may it be is for the purpose of entertainingThat's why nips otakus often care for the media itself as a piece of entertainment.Western fans however get caught up in the "deeper meaning" of media even when the deeper meaning is just a way to entertain the viewer more.
>>284777587>Western fans however get caught up in the "deeper meaning" of mediaIts called mental masturbation or self fellating, whichever language you wanna use. And its not even the real deeper meaning as intended by the makers of the media but simply their own rampant fanfiction with minimal anchor to reality.
>alsmost no one in the thread even understood what the op was about>Op also didn't get itWhy are you criticizing media literacy? You can't even read one post!
>>284777282First you take all the eggs out of the carton.Then you eat all the eggs.
>>284777722Not only has everyone misread the article, everyone's misread it in different ways. This was a very confusing thread
>>284767372>waa waaa my shit doesn't sell because people like hot girls and a little bit of sexuality and eroticaThis faggot should move to Texas or California, he'd be welcome in both
>>284767372op can't read
