It's so uninspiring and generic.
anal with Momo
>>284791967It's shounen, what do you expect?
>>284792105battle shounen used to have standardsSomething like Yuu Yuu Hakusho and Seven Deadly Sins are fun, I get why they are popular.But Demon Slayer and Hero Academia just so bland they they might as well be AI generated
Nobody cares.
>>284791967But enough about JJK
>>284792227I get that's appeal as well, I don't get why it grouped with 2 of those
>>284792105Shounen as a label means nothing
My biggest problem with MHA is how it pretends to the superhero genre with the battle shonen genre, but it's really just a battle shonen wearing a superhero skin.
>>284792202>Something like Yuu Yuu Hakusho and Seven Deadly SinsSeven Deadly Frames doesn't deserve to be spoken in the same breath as YYH. Sins' first season was good, but it was all downhill from there. Demon Slayer and Hero Academia are both better by a longshot.
>>284792202>battle shounen used to have standards>Seven Deadly Sins
>>284792202Did you seriously unironically put Seven Deadly Sins in 'good'? That's enough to disregard your point completely
>>284792492has fan service which is more fun than anything Demon and Hero Aca
>>284792202>battle shounen used to have standardsI'm legitimately wondering what exactly is your specific definition of standards? Battle shounen hasn't changed particularly drastically in decades. Only one's personal opinions of them.
>>284792538Oh okay so you're not actually discussing in anything resembling good faith. Cool cool. I'll just say you have shit taste and move on.
>>284792202Good bait
>>284792553Compare modern battle shonen to Dragon Ball, Yu Yu Hakusho, One Piece, and Naruto
>>284792736>naruto>dragon ballMost new battle shonen are better than those shitty ones
>>284792736What specific differences are you seeing? All of them are about fighting with lots of charactersI also think objectively as a whole story Dragon Ball is not very good, it just has the best action paneling.
>>284792897For one, characters in nu-battle shonen barely fight at all. Only the main characters do anything, everyone is a jobber that's only there to pad the runtime
>>284792814No battle shonen after them has had anywhere near the same cultural impact.
>>284792202>Yuu Yuu Hakushowas never super popular>Seven Deadly Sinswas only moderately popular and it fucking sucks, you have horrible taste, Kimetsu no Yaiba is honestly much better than Nantsu no Taizai
>>284792952So, just like Dragon Ball? Only the anime with its fillers paid atention to other fights. Half of best Dragon Ball fights are anime-only. Piccolo vs C17 being the #1 example. It doesn't exist in the manga.
>>284792952I'M SORRY AND THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM THE PAST HOW EXACTLY?People have been complaining about that shit since Naruto. Since even before Naruto.
>>284793127Nigga what the fuck are you somoking? Naruto, for all its flaws and how it went to absolute shit later on, is one of the best in the genre when it comes to secondary characters' fights and shits on both old and new battle shounens.
>>284793079>Yuu Yuu Hakusho>was never super popularWell now, it wasn't 'top echelon of shounen but it was popular enough that it led to the contract Togashi has now with WSJ where they just let him be on hiatus forever. I mean, it sold better than Yu-Gi-Oh, and that was a monster even before the card game
>>284793159Naruto is quite literally the poster child for having secondary characters that become wasted and are jobbers to pad the runtime. It is the defining manga of this problem. You are either underage or retarded. Probably both.There is literally a storytime going on right now and everybody is rightfully pointing out how little the so-called major secondary characters do
>>284793079>Yuu Yuu Hakusho was never super popular>Yu Yu Hakusho has sold over 50 million copies worldwide, making it one of the best-selling manga series ever, a massive success for Yoshihiro Togashi's classic Shonen Jump title that rivaled Dragon Ball Z in popularity during its peak in the 1990s, despite only having 19 volumes. BEGONE, ZOOMER SCUM! This was the golden trio before the big three.
>>284793207>There is literally a storytime going on right now and everybody is rightfully pointing out how little the so-called major secondary characters doThat's in second part of the manga, cretin. When Kishimoto was already fucking done with the series and was intentionally making it as shit as possible to spite WSJ editors who forced him to not finish the story. Trying to use volume 40 as an argument here only shows off how microscopic your braion is. Look only at pre-TS and maaybe early parts of post-TS Naruto for accurate picture of how the manga was supposed to be.
>>284793177>>284793208Yeah it was quite popular but not on the scale of KnY or BnHA, despite being way better than either of those. That's what I meant. It's also ancient and has barely any relevance outside of Japan after its end. Slam Dunk is mentioned far more nowadays than YYH for example.
>>284793374Even the Sasuke Retrieval Arc has this problem, and that was Part 1. The only fight that matters in that arc is Naruto VS Sasuke. The rest is side characters fighting mooks that were, by Kishi's own admission, created JUST to give them someone to fight.
>>284793511The fight vs Kimimaro was amazing, let's not kid ourselves. Most other battle shounens don't have anythign coming close to it.
>>284793431>It's also ancient and has barely any relevance outside of Japan after its end. Slam Dunk is mentioned far more nowadays than YYH for example.Personally, I've heard about it way more than Slam Dunk here in the US over the years since a bunch of old gen Z and young millennials saw it on Toonami, but fair enough. I agree it never reached the popularity level of the former two, unfortunately.
>>284793557Lee's part was good, but you could tell the end was rushed when the Sand Siblings show up to save Lee/Shikamaru/KibaAt least Choji and Neji were allowed to "win" their fights
>>284793630Hmm, maybe I'm biased by anecdotal experiences then. I legit haven't seen anyone pick up YYH... ever, in last 15 years, I only see it mentioned on /a/ but only in the context of old times and not something currently read. Meanwhile I saw many people discuss or pick up Slam Dunk over the years and even one of my friends read it randomly two months ago despite otherwise just chasing random ongoing series.
>>284792553>what exactly is your specific definition of standards"The first several battle shounen I read" = groundbreaking and cool"All the battle shounen I found out about later" = derivative slop
>>284791967left is modern shounen, not surprised it got popularright is homo energy
>>284791967At least they are not as bad as Dandadan.
>>284794138Dandandan has a rape attempt in first episode, which makes it more based than most battle shounen
>>284791967People just like when the little boy makes the boom boom happen. Bigger boom boom = more popular with normies.Take a look at normieslop. Just need more boom boom to keep normie attention spans.
>>284795042I just don't get what people get out of Hero Academia beyond pretty colors.I watched like 2.5 seasons of it to understand the appeal.Characters are so cardboard that I actually rooted for the bid mafia.
>>284795103Battle shonen always make this mistake. They have lots of characters but only a few of them really do anything or get developed.
>>284791967They're both kinda mid.KnY was elevated by le maymay animation.MhA was elevated by...porn and ships?
>>284795275No, by pretending to be capeshit. But it has nothing in common with capeshit, it's just another battle shonen.
>>284796275That's just the themes. Naruto pretends to be about ninja, etc.
>>284796405Ninjas being wizards predates Naruto
>>284796275>>284796405The common theme here, is that beneath their gimmicks, all shonen are the exact same shit underneath, just wearing different clothes.
>>284796609Naruto is nothing like Dragon Ball which is nothing like One Piece which is nothing like Bleach which is nothing like MHA, and so on
>>284796681Yeah, sure, okay.In your head they don't have the exact same plot structure.
>>284796920Plot structure doesn't mean anything. Even different genres can have similar plot structure.The themes and messages are different.
