Why does /a/ pretend they're overrated?>crybabies>i could time travel betterNo, you couldn't. You would fail miserably on the first day.
>>284817165Subaru is gigashit
>>284817165I do think Okabe is an overrated character though that doesn't mean he's necessarily bad. Subaru gets shit on all the time so I don't get that one.
>>284817480Subaru gets shit on because he's a loser and most the people who watch it are too, so they don't like it.
>>284817535I'm a loser that hates myself and I love Subaru. The normal audience find Subaru annoying, but Isekai isn't for them anyway.
>>284817165Okabe literally cannot die because Steins;Gate has fate-related time travel mechanics so even a random fag wouldn't fail in his position
>>284817855He can be imprisoned. The time leap machine can be taken or destroyed.
>>284817916He literally did get captured and when he's tied up in a car he just opens the door and runs away lolS;G is such a retarded series
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>>284817165Why don't Nips understand how bad the time travel plots is?
>>284817165Contrarians. It's always contrarians.
>>284817165It's both of their shows that are overrated. Though the characters don't help.
>>284817165Steins;Gate dropped off when it started getting heavy into the time travel and it turned out there wasn't much substance to the story.
>>284817165>Why does /a/ pretend they're overrated?Popular=bad, is that simple
>>284820464First show is great. But that's all that was ever needed. When you start fucking with a time travel show that was wrapped up in a perfect bow you're asking for shit to get broken. The movie was mostly inoffensive and gave Kurisu an idea of what Okabe was going through first hand which was cool, and more Kurisu is always welcome... but, then you watch S;G0. Zero was the perfect example of creating a sequel to something that did not need it, and now you are dealing with >three< different Kurisus, the AI, the dead one, and the doppelganger. If S;G was a simple story, S;G0 is completely overcomplicated and even damages many of the established characters.
>>284817165If your only defense for a character is>w-well you guys are total losers too so you can't trash talk themIt doesn't speak highly about said character's qualities.
>>284817733I find Subaru annoying not because of the flaws he starts out with, but because he refuses to learn until he's already fucked up in ways he should have been able to see coming, and then still refuses to learn beyond the bare minimum to overcome his current crisis
>>284821214Oh, and also his insane obsession with Emelia and the nonsense that happens because of it But that actually makes me more annoyed with the author than the character
>>284821144Subaru is a loser but he doesn't stay a loser, same with Okabe. Even if we assume you are this alpha, you did not start out that way and had moments of tribulation as well.
>>284821284That obsession is because the author is obsessed with that character. It's unfortunate because all the other aspects of the story are great.
>>284821284https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limerence
>>284821284That's one of the reasons I lost interest too, his single minded obsession to save her just because she perfectly fits his fetish. It's even worse later in the series where her "character" gets worse and worse, that's not even counting the fact he also wants to "save" Satella, the world equivalent of Satan just because she's also a half-elf that looks like Emilia.
>>284821855>the world equivalent of Satan just because she's also a half-elf that looks like Emilia.No that isn't the only reason, because Satella has been saving HIM constantly with her Witch Factor.
>>284817165Steins;Gate was the anime that made me realize time travel is lazy slop writing with no consequences or stakes. Even Okabe himself reverts back to just being a shitty chuuni again just to ensure that nothing meaningful gets to change in the story.
>>284817391I like Subaru a lot personally
>>284821214I actually like that aspect, it isn't just a one and done "thanks I now love myself and am completely cool now". Its definitely not for everyone and I cant blame people for hating it, but I liked how he ended up falling back to put Rem on a pedestal and how, despite telling people he's fine, he forces everyone to watch him get punched in the face 900 times out of a strange sense of masochistic punishment.Hes not sane and it might be niche but I like that the author had the balls to stick to it.
Chances of Pridebaru increasing.
>>284817165Re:Zero has better characters than Steins;Gate imo.
>>284823030Okabe = SubaruMayuri = RemKurisu = EmiliaDaru = OttoLuka = Felix
>>284823857At last I truly see.
>>284823857kek
>>284817165I respect Okabe like I would a real life living person. What do you mean?
>>284822334I only like him cross-dressing and being gay and I thank porn for providing me that.
>>284825541You like the author putting his fetishes into the story for no reason?
>>284821214I mean, Subaru's what, 17, and now subjectively 18? Kids and young adults don't figure out stuff that quickly.
>>284826582It is my fetish as well so duh.>for no reason>implying you need a reason other than having a fetishEvery author ever will do this.
Emilia? A shit.
>>284817916Nope, fated to not happen or stick. On paper you could do it, but that would be arguing with the functional god of the universe that makes certain events absolute regardless of all causality.
>>284818505Re Zero time travel is fine (so far). The guy writing it shockingly understands what it is and its various implications.
>>284822730Bets on what this will probably be revealed to be on the 1st? I don't think they'd do something completely random so a best case is some relevant EX/side material (not pride). Worst case is maybe just weirdly hyping a reairing of S3 leading up to S4? I think they could do it if they ran double episodes starting on the 17th which is the other date with a timeslot.
>>284826648Subaru is 18 within a few months of arriving in the world. Him, Rem and Ram all turn 18 between Arcs 2 and 3.
>>284826582>>284826654There is a reason. He wanted to homage FFVII and the Honey Bee Inn. This goofy set up was apparently a major inspiration to be a writer in the first place and he thought it was hilarious so he wanted his own version one day.
>>284822589His struggle doesn't have enough going on internally for me to really find it compelling It's just bad stuff happening to him, and him getting very slowly less stupid and whatever mental illnesses he's got manifesting differently If the point is that he's not okay and the reason he isn't learning is because he's got to work out more stuff inside first, then I want to get more of him working stuff out inside
>>284827172Anyway, he's still a young one who isn't some smart scientist (even although everyone in the series including Subaru is way too talkative and perceptive than other characters from other series).
>>284827212Everyone gets styled on by a 13-year old.
>>284821723Yes I have been in love before, I know how it works.This guy is not in love. He is insane.
>>284827273Well he is in love, just not with the elf beyond dick-based mind control.
>>284827299The relationship with Rem is actually pretty compelling yeah
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>>284817165neither of these characters can time travel
>>284827525Subaru does. RbD is a legitimate rollback.
>>284827718And Okabe can too, but only sometimes. Not all his methods are strictly time travel, in fact most aren't.
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>>284827773>>284827778boys best
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subaru is a faggot i hate him so much boo hoo nigga get over it. all he does is get sooky and he dresses like a total fag. if you had the ability to redo sections of your life you would get over the pain and mental fuckery pretty quick and you would become perfection incarnate it is completely wasted on a boring wet sap neet. i gave the series a real try but subaru made me drop it. i got up to the point where hes thinking about his dad and how he used to be a neet and he was still crying i couldn't take it man up and put on some real clothes already. its been years and hes still sooking oh woe is me its so hard fucking bitches and being immortal
>>284827908>and he dresses like a total fagYou haven't even seen his final form>if you had the ability to redo sections of your life you would get over the pain and mental fuckery pretty quick and you would become perfection incarnate it is completely wasted on a boring wet sap neet.Nigga you have the ability to make yourself better in exchange for temporary discomfort yet you won't. Most people don't either, what makes you think adding painfully killing yourself, going back to a random point you don't control, and possibly fucking things up added to any already tedious task would make anyone more likely to do that?
>>284817165Don't put SHITbaru and Okarin on the same level you disingenuous fool.
>>284827157Pride IF, the cut off parts are the hint.Also 1/1 is reinhard's birthday.>happy b-day reinhard, everyone you love is dead
>>284827908That's only if you live in a super safe world and do nothing to stand out, even then the time fuckery will backfire eventually.Now try time scumming your way in a world with monsters and super swordsmen or your time travel is the kind that hard caps you in certain events.
>>284827958You are viewing it from the perspective of someone who can die. If you had this ability you would get used to the pain and suffering that's the reality, and you would push it and find the absolute limits and boundaries. For a more extreme example look at Seongjun Lee in The Warrior Returns Manhwa>>284828051Having to do something a million times to learn how to overcome it is nothing in the grand scheme of things if you cannot die, you would get over it. There is no such thing as a hard cap unless you get save scummed into a situation where the reset point is right before death it's just an excuse for the writer to let Subaru be a sook. It is insane for him to be crying over being a neet when he has already experience much worse multiple times over it's just a weird writer self insert. There are real people right now who have experienced war and are so mindbroken over it that they look forward to more violence and pain and they don't even have magical powers
Did she had the biggest range of a time loop so far? Most of them were just a few days or weeks at most, but her loop went on a lifetime. (until her death that is)
>>284828140Who would pair best with who?
Okabe Rintarou from Steins;Gate often feels like a more realistic and better-written character than Subaru from Re:Zero because his growth is grounded in consistent psychology and believable consequences. Okabe starts with an exaggerated persona, but his breakdowns, guilt, and gradual maturity stem directly from repeated trauma that changes him in subtle, human ways without resetting his emotional progress. His intelligence, hesitation, and eventual resolve feel earned rather than forced by the plot. In contrast, Subaru frequently repeats the same mistakes and emotional outbursts, which can make his development feel cyclical and less natural. Okabe’s arc emphasizes quiet responsibility and internal struggle, making his reactions and decisions feel closer to how a real person might cope under extreme pressure.
Whatever happened to the Steins;Gate sequel with a new protagonist and Okabe as a side character?
How do we rate summer time rendering in the loop series tier?
>>284827273You've never experienced true love at first sight though.
>>284821392>That obsession is because the author is obsessed with that characterI've never understood how authors can become obsessed with their characters to that extent, I can fully understand a creator creating a parasocial bond with their creation, but there's a line where it goes from acceptable to weird, the author of that one cuck manga is a prime example but it seems like Emelia's author isn't that far off from being the same>post yfw Nagatsuki snaps in a few years and decides to cuck Subaru with himself
>>284828312He has an Oni obsession too. The author stated that Subaru embodies the same taste in women as himself (which is why Subaru would love Aqua if he were in KonoSuba).
>>284828369>Oni obsession>isn't into the maid with demon horns>(which is why Subaru would love Aqua if he were in KonoSuba)does oni not mean what I've thought it means for years? aren't oni just demons?
>>284817733Who’s the normal audience again? He’s the third most popular character in the story
>>284827859cute!
>>284821392This dude just skipped Arc 7-9 and chose to be ignorant
>>284822589But that’s bad writing and you realize that now after 8 arcs of character development being wasted
>>284828906The author has an impregnation fetish with Rem, she's pregnant in the two IF timelines she's alive (also the ones where Subaru doesn't become an insane murderer). The maids are Oni.
>>284817165Subaru is shit
>>284830767Same retards that can't provide a single reason.
>>284828906>aren't oni just demons?*COUGH* *COUGH*, "AHEAM!"
>>284828098>You are viewing it from the perspective of someone who can dieDiscomfort doesn't kill you retard, yet discomfort is a massive barrier for humans to do anything. If you could get the same gains of working out but instead of just feeling the burn you had to chop your own arm off too, don't worry, it'll grow back, would that make you more likely or less likely to work out? You get something out of it and its non-fatal, so according to you, yes, right? Every time you read a book you had to stab yourself. You'd get over it easily for the great knowledge you'd get right?
>>284817165Okabe is fine for what the story is. Subaru is annoying as shit and unlikable from minute 1.
>>284828098>There is no such thing as a hard cap unless you get save scummed into a situation where the reset point is right before deathYou mean like it frequently is? Satella is trying to protect him from other things, not himself, if he's the danger to himself he'll most likely reset barely hours if not literally seconds before he does anything. She has no interest in his goals, she wants him to come kill her and nothing else.What do you think he can even do? He can't train physically, which includes magic, the only thing he can gain is knowledge. So again, if you could read books but you don't know how much time you have to do it so after every page you stab yourself in the face would you? You don't actually get infinite books read, you do have to spend the time doing it, you have to remember them as normal and have no supernatural ability to learn quickly, efficiently, or have greater memory, and compared to how anyone else does it you need to kill yourself on top of that then figure out where you even are and what effects you've done.>and are so mindbroken over it that they look forward to more violence and painNo they don't, they're just lashing out and its highly unproductive and they're nonfunctional in regular society. You're seriously using that as a brag? "Oh yeah, he should go literally insane from the violence and just be a total psycho and hurt people around him for no reason and with no object because he's just that cuhrazy about violence and if he doesn't then he's a pussy" Jesus Christ, retard.>Having to do something a million times to learn how to overcome it is nothing in the grand scheme of thingsWhy don't you in your life? Spending 5 years of effort to learn something is nothing to a lifespan many times that in the grand scheme of things. You aren't going to die having sequestered yourself somewhere to train or whatever dumb thing you think Subaru can do. Why don't you? Is it uncomfortable? Does it take effort? Is it a hassle?
>>284828241>Subaru frequently repeats the same mistakes and emotional outbursts, which can make his development feel cyclical and less natural.Are you retarded? Its less natural for a person to fall back on old vices or relapse than it is for a person to get one speech or epiphany, alter their entire personality and worldview and then stick with that for the rest of time without faltering? Why do real humans fall back into addictions or repeatedly make the same mistake over and over even if they recognize it as a mistake each time if that's unrealistic behavior? This sort of thing consumes people's entire lives. Men who can't control their tempers, girls repeatedly going after a bad boy and never fixing any of them, addicts relapsing.Its way, way more realistic for someone to struggle implementing a new idea that should help them past an issue than it is for them to just think one thing once and then never have a problem again.
>>284834925Nobody who says this shit ever says what Subaru is even supposed to do with his supposed immortal godhood. Al does literally everything they want, including actually controlling his power which Subaru doesn't, and he's a massive fuckup. Then if they do they think he can build up unlimited magical and physical power, which no, retards, he can't.
>>284817165The goalposts shifted for Subaru when it was revealed other characters (Reinhard, Al, most of the zombies) have experienced death too.In the initial chapters of Re:Zero Subaru didn't even know that he died in some loops. The psychological trauma was introduced in Arc 3.So if there's a problem it's mostly because of inconsistency in how his powers were portrayed along with uneven characterization. I would say Okabe is a lot more consistent in this regard because time leaping is more consistent than RbD.
>Subaru is immortalHe very specifically dies>You get over painReal humans spend entire lifetimes not getting over pain despite feeling it constantly. People with chronic pain conditions commonly want to kill themselves just to make it stop. Torture is effective at getting people to say or do anything to make it stop happening. In none of these scenarios, no matter how long they happen is the common human reaction "just get over it and then it doesn't bother them in the slightest anymore"Humans aren't wired to be able to do that, there are some very, very rare exceptions of people who at least claim they can to very specific stimuli and this in real life is most attributable to them destroying their own nerves so they literally no longer have those signals. Guess what Subaru can't do? Destroy his own nerves because they reset like anything else unless he wanted to spend years of real time smashing himself in the balls to destroy his nerves without resetting.>He can become omega strong!He cannot train physically and that includes magic (he also sucks dick at that anyway). No amount of knowing how a space whale moves lets you punch a space whale to death so no, you can't just "learn people's moves" like its a shitty video game and win every fight either. People can react to what you're doing, like Elsa, and the physical difference is insurmountable,
>He has infinite timeHe doesn't control loops, they update from his perspective randomly. In the main story the one time he killed himself outside the bounds of an arc loop Satella respawned him holding the thing he used to kill himself seconds before.>He's unstoppableYou don't even pay attention to the threats that he knows exist. His ability is trivially circumvented, if you know what it is. The taboo Satella imposes is there for his protection for this reason. If he does anything that obviously says "I am planning on blatantly killing myself at all times" various people would take notice, his allies would be worried and offended and he can't explain why and his enemies would understand what it means and now they know what they can't let him do.TL;DR: You retards are literally dumber than Subaru while pretending to be internet badasses
>>284835433He can get stronger, being evil makes people stronger especially the authorities make you OP instantly.Subaru isn't physically weak either, he has killed all the archbishops in the IF even though did have help.
shit's pretty gay
>>284828250They haven't mentioned it again at all ever since the Steins;Gate remake was announced.I guess they're just really scared about creating a new cast after the flop that was Anonymous;Code, even if using the Steins;Gate brand (you'd think dumping the harem structure would have made for a better cast in A;C, but it somehow results in everyone being even more of a side-character and cardboard cutouts, with just much more "plot", which doesn't have proper impact when your cast is weak).
>>284835740That isn't because he's physically strong though, that's because he stopped caring about his sanity and he starts abusing rbd like crazy.Though, considering rbd works on how insane you are, if you go nuts immediately is it stronger than if you tried to hold your sanity in check?
>>284817165>>284836206Ngl like half of the thread just ignore the fact that to use an authority, you have to be insane and annoying about it, it squeezes your brain until blood comes out of your ears if you're not compatible with it in mental state. The more its used, the more crazy the user gets, and with rbd the more close Satella gets to manifesting in reality.Its not a good power if you want to be a cool stoic guy.
>>284836099For me the main reason I didn't even try A;C was because it just looks like shit. I can judge a story or cast by their merits but not if I bounce off the visuals to begin with.
>>284836099AC designs were mid and it didn't get an anime to shill it, they knew it wouldn't sell since the plot was meh as well.Just make a new chaos series or another loop harem.
>>284817165best duo
