>dark western fantasy manga>introduce GRORIOUS NIPPONEvery fucking time. Japs just can't help themselves, can they.
You don't have to read these dumb japanese stories with dumb japanese cliches. You can just leave.
BIG
>>284828548Quick question, how many dark fantasy western works have knights and kings and barons and esquires and...
retvrn to tradition
>>284828769All of them? What was your point exactly?
>dark fantasy story with literal bugmen>OP surprised when more bugmen show up
Good. Go stick to your westoid sloppa if it makes you so mad lol
>>284828548It was going so well too
>>284828548They're not western, retard.
>>284828548blame wizardry
>>284828913dumb zoomer
>>284828548>why are people proud of their culture???absolute Amerigoy post
>>284828548Obviously, eastern region is a gorgeous jobber squad.Based Nihei
>>284829063>start a work that deliberately avoids your culture>shove it in anyway no matter how out of place it isabsolute retard post
It's not like Wizardry didn't have ninja and samurai shit. I really don't mind a VISITOR FROM FOREIGN LAND type deal, especially if they play into the foreignness of it all. I just think it's really weird to be introducing all this world stuff now of all times and I really just want to get on track again because it feels like the main group hasn't made much progress in a long time
>>284828548 Samurai are cool.
If you don’t think that a samurai mech made of ancestor flesh is fucking cool, then I’m sorry anon but there’s no helping you.
>>284829216I just don't think anyone was expecting Gasaraki any time soon
They really can't stand being a third rate people after millenia of thinking they were #1
>>284829032>japanese man draws story in japanese for japanese audience using ideas familiar to them from japanese fantasy fiction>OP: my ancestors
>>284828548I wouldn't mind if they also introduced other regions that aren't Europe-inspired, like the Middle East, Africa, South America, or even China. But if the only non-European thing is GLORIOUS NIPPON BANZAI, then I cringe a little, especially if the Nippon are depicted as the greatest bestest special warriors with the greatest culture ever.
>>284828548Knights are coolSamurai are coolI fail to see the problem
>>284830117Which is exactly what happened here.
>>284830117That inferiority complex is very korean/indian. If you are one, I'm very sorry. If not, stop it
>>284828548>Japs just can't help themselves, can they.Maybe... and just maybe.... because manga is from Japan? call me crazy If you want
>>284830117>the Middle EastA shithole for the most part conquered and colonized by western europe>Africasee above>South AmericaAbove applies but their cultures were incredibly interesting. They discovered seismic resistant architecture milennia before europe did while never figuring out other things.>ChinaSteppe rape land. Nothing of worth there.
>>284830355>everything from japan must always have samurai in itare zoomers really this retarded?
>>284829127Manga itself is Japanese culture, you can't avoid it. So is the language.If it was written right to left maybe you'd have a point...
>>284828548shameless japs
>>284830379kek you are braindead
Let's make a petition to our comic artists to make a fantasy story based in Europe and just how the nips add nip characters we can add American characters like blacks, latinos, muslims, etc
>>284830549Shaka Zulu, the Aztecs, and Saladin?
>>284830549>>284830565If I ever move to Japan and by some miracle become a manga writer or AI gets advanced enough, I will make a CK2 Jerusalem Crusader run I played until the end date into a manga where you will see a family of Spanish-Karling nobles impale thousands of Muslims on pikes in the middle east until the retarded wannabe-abrahamic faith dies out. I'll even throw in uniting all branches of Christianity under Catholicism
>>284828548most westoid fantasy comics add GRORIOUS NIPPON themselves. Unfortunately samurai are cool.
>>284829063What retarded internet stereotype are you going off? The americans are rather well known for being utterly ridiculous about their "patriotism", they have flags hanging all year around and sing the national anthem before sports games and swear allegiance in their education system. The japs don't come anywhere close to that.
>>284830653>uniting european nobles and all european religions and using them to wipe out the muslimsThat's so laughably jewish
>>284830831what part of crusader did you not understand?i expelled the jews from my carolingian empire, which was effectively the entire western world (seriously, i got all the way to the Baltics and into Hungary but couldn't nab the British Islesi liked to imagine they all starved to death in the slav lands or got killed by the muslims
>>284830885Nothing, you just sound like a raging jew and that's funny.
>>284830899how far has the west fallen that they now tolerate their ancient enemy that raped their holy women and enslaved their people?
>>284830913"The west" is not a single nation. Most countries here would regard their neighbors as their greatest enemies not some brown invaders from north africa. And presently indians and blacks are as much of a threat to the west as arab muslims are, arguably more.
>>284830957oh boyyou seriously have no idea about the muslim conquests of sicily and spain, of which poured into france to be beaten back by pepin the short?and lollmaothey're only a threat in that the government keeps importing and supporting them over their native people
>>284830994That happened, but you're falsely trying to depict some sort of idea that "the west" is all united together in their hatred of muslims. That isn't true. The muslims invasions and conquests of iberia are very little known outside of those countries. Some protestants even had small alliances with muslims since they had the same enemy.
>>284831029>Some protestants even had small alliances with muslims since they had the same enemy.hundreds of years after the crusades, anon
>>284831052And that would impact how those cultures perceive muslims, would it not?
>>284831070we're getting to the point where neither of us has any idea of what we're arguing about or what for
Go back to your containment thread, retards. >>284826602>>284826602>>284826602
>>284831104is this an actual anime?
>>284831085Not really, you're just acting like there's some united opinion in europe that muslims are the ancient enemy when most people would be far more aggressive either towards their neighbors or to catholics. Are you a spanish or portuguese speaking american?
>>284831137the EU wouldn't exist if this was the case, anon
If you're an experienced reader, you know that these exotic cool guys are jobbers who will be wiped out in a few chapters.Don't jump to conclusions.
>>284831186>cuts to Arikiho Yamato rending space-time with his sword slashes right through steel plate
>>284830360You do realize that the Middle East is basically the birthplace of civilization, right?
>>284830549That already happens, just look at any modern D&D or Magic: The Gathering story. Tons of non-white people everywhere, even nobility, in settings supposedly based on Medieval Europe.
>>284831153They don't want muslim countries in it because they have their own politics, are often outright dictatorships or generally oppressive. And they have their own legal histories separate of roman law. The eu also allows free movement and would be overwhelmed if it let them in.
>>284831321hahahaha!
It's funny how mad people can get when they're reminded they are reading a Japanese comic book made by Japanese people.
>>284831532>everything made my japanese people must have samurai and nippon wanking
>>284828548>western fantasy story>introduce desert death cult slave moralityEvery fucking time. Whites just can't help themselves can they.
>>284831682what
>>284831596Fuck off back to where you came from you revolting freak
>>284831532I think the only time katana was present in jojo was in part 3 where it was broken apart by jotaro
>>284830653You're so faggy. No one cares about your game.
>>284828548Mixing different cultures into your setting is fun.Nihei didn't take a public stance about this story being purely western focused.
>>284831780I think he's talking about Christianity
>>284831883Part 3? You mean the part that switches to a Japanese protagonist?
>>284832164Polneraff is Japanese?
>>284830913>how far has the west fallen that they now tolerate their ancient enemy that raped their holy women and enslaved their people?Muslims are a footnote on European history lmao, even in places where they had great impact like Spain they pale in comparison for what the British and French did there as well was their consequences
>>284828548>What the fuck? The medium made by japanese people added stuff from their country???
>>284832368>mom I posted it againYou know he's right, hence why every jojo after Jotaro is partially Japanese until Araki reboots the series with the new universe.
>>284832986>>mom I posted it againThat's nice honey, did you post the Frog to show them how smug you are too?
>>284828548Glorious as it should
>>284829063eat your hamburger apollo
>>284828548They literally can't. Nips are total narcissists. They need to be constantly validated and pandered to. That said, it wasn't an issue with boomers. They had self-control and could stick to setting they chose, and they were also more learned and had greater respect for foreign cultures.
>>284829293I fucking hate that webm
>>284833072This is a good thing and no one makes you read their fiction.
>>284833072>anon is delusional
>>284832926it doesn’t fit the setting
>>284833072>it wasn't an issue with boomers.The actual boomers? You don't see a lot of main casts that aren't supposed to be Japanese outside of a few adaptions of western novels before the 80s. Even when it doesn't even particularly matter like in a sci-fi show thats not even set on Earth.I wouldn't even call it an issue its just how shit ways. Execs wanted the MCs to be Japanese.
>>284833241how so?
>>284832909You might actually be a retard. Are you in Paris or London?
I prefer when it's done the other way around
I don't give a shit about whatever you fags are arguing about I'm only interested in things like Minsabel's pubes and hammerbuns letting her buns down.
>>284828548>read a work written by a japanese man>there's japanese stuff in it
>>284828548complaining about this is so bizarre. eastern factions have always been part of fantasy since forever.
>>284833322In british history muslims are definitely irrelevant
>>284828548The ego and narcissism COULD genuinely be toned down a little, so it at least doesn't over power the plot completely.I like when its a niche tease or unique little thing. When its the central character just Isekai'd directly into Western fantasy however and forcing Eastern beliefs and policies onto Western character just so they can build a harem at the end of the day, my piss boils in frustration at how stupid it comes across.
>>284833328holy shit, it's the zanzibart forgive me guy
>>284833651Japan has to Japanwank, it's literally what keeps them from being Western Europe tier self-hating retards and letting every turdworlder and westerner in to ruin their culture. They're almost unique in the fact they are a very first world country with a VERY homogeneous society/culture/make-up.
>>284830117>middle east horse archers or slave soldiers, perfect for exploring a dungeon>africa, south americamostly doesn`t even had metallurgy>chinastock material for everything in asia, but we have the coolest asian aesthetic that happen to make the manga
>>284833880>They're almost unique in the fact they are a very first world country with a VERY homogeneous society/culture/make-up.Their neighbor is homogenous too.
>>284829806They're the only one's who are number 1, even with the issues afflicting the modern world.
>>284833918Korea is way more dysfunctional, and has been for a long time. Korea is a batshit hellhole LARPing as a developed country. People laugh at Japanese boomer collectivism and workplace culture but it never approached how retarded Korea was. Also Japan produced worthwhile culture like anime, manga and other otakushit. Korea has never produced any worthwhile culture; so when you're talking about cultural continuity and preservation Japan is in a separate and far more important league.
>>284833328>ZANZIBARTOOOOOOO
>>284829127>>start a work that deliberately avoids your cultureCatgirls, slutty mages, 200 year old dragon girls, tentacles, slutty thieves, brocon little sisters, and dumb self-insert protagonists are avoiding Japanese culture?
>>284830117Jap fantasy usually avoids Chinese stuff because it becomes very obvious that the vast majority of their tropes and stylistic elements just come straight from China. If the Jian sword got imported, you'd get a point where it all looked identical half the time.
>>284833449>everything japanese must have samurai and super awesome japan in it
>>284830309Just because it's true, doesn't mean you should say it.
>>284834475>Jap fantasy usually avoids Chinese stuffThe 2nd best selling light novel of all time is Apothecaries Diaries
>>284834928Not really fantasy. More like plausibly deniable historical fiction.
>>284834753Did you cry when Shogun or the Last Samurai added a white guy?
>>284835041OK fair.
>>284828548It'd be even more cucked and embarrassing if you're a slant eye making cartoons for westoid albino apes
sure is /v/ around here
>>284828548I feel like I'm reading one of those threads for chinese mobile games because they keep inserting ching chong into their shit.
>>284830379Yes, they are
>>284833918Korea is actually more homogenous than Japan, Japan has zainichi koreans and weird smaller ethnic groups like ainu that westerners try to convince aren't Japanese. The only real smaller ethnic group Korea has are the Cheju residents who they massacred a few decades ago, Japan let in many thousands of refugees. Japan is very similar to Britain in many aspects, while maybe Korea is more like Scandinavians who have invented very little interesting culture.
>>284830117Some not!MiddleEast regularly appears in Japanese (and Western) fantasy settings.There's not much to even take inspiration from in Sub-Saharan Africa.Chinese culture and people are everywhere in Japanese manga and games. There are multiple popular manga centered on China, but like with Japan it's usually a historical or pseudo-historical Chinese setting rather than a not!China fantasy setting. This is usually the case in Western fantasy too, that can often have their European-inspired nations be less blatantly one-to-one to a single real life country in Europe, but will still have one explicit not!China and one explicit not!Japan. AtLA is the exception to the rule in West that comes to mind, being an original fantasy world that's mostly based on Chinese culture. Everyone writes in Traditional Chinese, the main continent and its Earth Kingdom is Chinese save for the small off-shoot Kyoshi island which is culturally Japanese, the Fire Nation is a mix of Chinese and Thai except for the Fire Lord's crown which takes some inspiration from a Korean one, the Air Nomads are Tibetan, and the Water Tribes are Inuit in the south or Inuit Venetian in the north.
>>284828548>fantasy introduce "foreign" characters with a completely different culture and aestheticIt's kino every time.
>>284833322Anon, Muslim major influence in Spain start's and ends in Andalusia meanwhile the British were the biggest (if not the single) reason as to why the Spanish empire fell which lead to a economic recession as well as the following civil war, and that's only regarding the empire and his colonies, Spain and the UK have been at his other throats since forever, this is without getting at how the Muslims never did anything that other Europeans (or spaniards themselves) wouldn't do to Spain later on
>kino
>>284835561Who do the Spanish regard as their main rival? Most English people would say the French and are barely aware of the fact that Spain was pretty much the second biggest enemy.
>>284835532>/co/ fake anime trash that worships ching chongsNo one asked
>>284833918And very self hating country.They hate their looks, so they change it with plastic surgery.They hate their social standing, they hate a future with no choices, they hate that its neighbor is a bad day away from nuking themselves, they drink the slop water that the americans soiled and then worship them.They hate their men, their men hate their women. They hate their microscopic dick. They hate their past, being raped by Japan. They hate that Japan is not self flagelating over that likr Germans do. They hate not having a culture. Hell, when your country food is fucking kimchi you've failed as a nation. They hate not having the cultural. impact in the world Japan does
>>284835551People think knights, princesses, mages, samurai, and ninjas are cool. It's not deeper than that.
>>284835596>Who do the Spanish regard as their main rival?For housing, definitely the British and their desire for warm vacation homes.
>sharty bait thread>wojaks/a/ is healing
>>284836001knights, princesses, magesNah. the first three aren't cool. It's just because europe is a superpower so japan started copying them.
>>284835596>Who do the Spanish regard as their main rival?It's really hard to guess because Spain has been buttfucked by everyone including themselves and every time they have some sort of icon against that.You got the Muslims for obvious reasons and their "anti-icon" being El CidYou got the British for shit like the colonies, Gibraltar, typical royal conflicts l, etc and the most notable icon would be probably be Blas de Lezo (underrated gigachad btw, I recommend anyone in this thread to read about him)You got the french for people like Napoleon who forced the entire country into guerilla warfareBut you also got enemies within the country like Catalonian nationalist, ETA terrorist, falangist, their own kings (keep in mind that even loyal and popular servants like El Cid got screwed by their monarchs), literally every single politician.Overall I would say that the British are their enemy, but I mostly base this due to football and annoying British tourist lol
>>284835532>AtLA is the exception to the rule in West that comes to mind, being an original fantasy world that's mostly based on Chinese culture.Kung Fu Panda, Jade Kingdom, Battle Realms (that one's a bigger mish-mash),...
>>284828548cry harder
even One Piece had to do it too lol, Oden was such an insulting character to just drop into the middle of all the existing storied characters
>>284828785We have bishop at home
>>284836097Yes they are cool and samurai are pretty much just knights. And in fact these western classes are more cool to the japs as they're mysterious and exotic.
>>284829127>DND based storyAmerigolems:>"how dare you add a famous class!!"
>>284837158One Piece is insulting itself
>>284837896Newfag can you type like an ordinary person instead of shoving greentext everywhere. It's unclear what this is even supposed to mean.
>>284838249doesnt even know to read greentext, calls someone else a newfagggot, you have clearly outed yourself go back to R*ddit or xitter
>mystery nigga with a giant odachi appears out of nowhere, gigarapes one of the antagonists and becomes fan favourite without doing anything ever since because he got yeeted half the planet away
>>284833241Describe the setting
>>284838249>Newfag can you type like an ordinary person instead of shoving greentext everywhere. >It's unclear what this is even supposed to mean
Yeah...sorry.
>>284838511The Tower: The Tower itself is a massive structure, often depicted as an imposing, labyrinthine building that stretches endlessly into the sky or underground. The dungeon is filled with a variety of rooms, each with unique challenges, traps, and monsters. As the tower is explored, new levels are discovered, each more treacherous than the last. The tower is mysterious and enigmatic, with no clear purpose, but it holds vast treasures and power for those brave enough to enter.The World: The world surrounding the tower is usually depicted as a high fantasy setting. It’s often set in a medieval-like world where magic, ancient technologies, and powerful factions exist. The land around the tower can be dangerous, filled with monsters and rival adventurers. Kingdoms, guilds, and different factions often send groups of explorers into the tower to seek fame, wealth, or power. These groups are sometimes in conflict, as everyone seeks to reach the higher floors of the tower for different reasons.The Characters: The manga often follows a diverse cast of characters, including adventurers, mercenaries, or explorers who venture into the tower. Some might be looking for treasure, others for revenge, or maybe to discover the truth behind the tower’s existence. These characters can have various abilities—ranging from magic, swordsmanship, stealth, or even unusual powers tied to the tower itself.Mystery of the Tower: A big part of the story is uncovering the truth about the tower. Who built it? Why does it exist? What is at the top? These questions are often central to the plot. The deeper the characters venture, the more secrets and hidden truths they uncover, and the more they begin to question their motivations for entering.
>>284838625If you can't even take the effort to describe the setting in your own words instead of asking an LLM to do it for you, then I consider your opinion about what fits the setting or not to be worthless.Anyway, there is nothing in the manga that would make a Japanese country existing "not fit" the setting, which is implicitly implied to be a large planet at least comparable to Earth, which obviously houses a high number of distinct cultures and countries.Even in traditional western fantasy settings like Lord of the Rings, analogues of eastern cultures existed.
>>284838307Because it's nonsensical. Your cringy overuse of greentext belongs on boards like /int/ or /v/, go back there along with op.
>>284838703Anyone who makes their posts using ai should be immediately called out then ignored
>>284839139This is trolling.
this was supposed to be tower dungeon thread #2 and you guys ruined it by taking the bait seriously
>>284840457Maybe don't make retarded bait threads
>>284828548>martial arts setting (Dragonball)>ayyliens appearIt's called fiction
>>284837817Westerners find ninja and samurai stuff cool. Japanese find knights and wizards cool. Is it really that hard to understand?
>>284833535Not today and the contention isn’t of Britain but Europe as a whole which European history definitely has a thing or two to say about the Muslims larger than a “footnote”. To disregard the Muslims in history is to lessen their image as a threat. Which they have been. The fall of Constantinople, the conquering of the Balkans, North Africa, and Spain for 800 YEARS, only being beaten back by the French and the later Reconquista. The Balkans are still heavily Muslim. And the Muslims today still persist in taking over Europe and the Europeans just let them. >>284835561It’s fine to say modern period Spain gives no thought to the Muslims(today might be different) but it comes off a bit reductive
>>284836484dilate
Doesn’t the government or some political group mandate this?
>>284828548why is okay to base a fantasy on a particular era in european history but not a particular era in japanese history?do you want the entire fantasy world to just be europe and nothing else?
>>284841345
>>284828548>read japanese manga>written by japanese man>published in japan>and nowhere else>a japanese inspired character is introduced
>>284841204Japanese readers do not care about this stuff and it has no bearing on Japanese fantasy or isekai series.
>>284835551even doe the armour and the sword is worse than rune
>>284841204>post classical greece>post classical north africa>balkansAll completely irrelevant and useless by that time. The only thing that matters was Spain and it was pretty much contained there aside from parts of Italy and Malta.
>>284841484yeah true
>>284828548picked up
>>284841453>everything made in japan must have samurai and super awesome nippon banzai
>>284841428learn to fucking read retard
>>284844136can you explain why it's not okay?
>>284844099I'm not that anon, but you're probably one of those faggots that whine about why women are less integral or aren't as strong as the male leads or counterparts in a SHONEN manga.
>>284844908This complaint is almost always "Why aren't the women written as men?"
>>284828548Oh fuck, this manga has been going downhill for several chapters and it just can't stop turning into a pile of shit.
>>284828548It would not bug the fuck out of me that >Not japanshows up every fucking time in european inspired fantasy stories... if the goddamn nipponeese fucks were fantasy japan, and not historical japan. Give me yokai, blast my face with some buddist/shinto shit. Nono, we will get >Samuraiand>Best blacksmiths in the world, check this faggy sabre, totally best in the worldAt least western fantasy has christian clerics and paladins, knights, barbarians, shamans, pagans, wizards, witches, warlocks etc etc. We got holy scriptures, runecraft, alchemy, demonology, wizardry.And then we get >Katana>Samurai >muh honor>muh motherfucking tonkatsuAre the nips not embarrassed? Why don't they cringe? If one of my countrymen wrote a story set in mystical china/japan, and suddenly vikings showed up, awing the slants with meat cakes/balls, dried fish and longaxes and le heccing longships I'd die of embarrassment.
>>284828548why are you westerners such little bitches?
>>284845650Japanese fantasy is (largely but not exclusively) written by the Japanese equivalent of Narutards. But what does this say about us?I prefer a mediocre Isekai or JRPG to modern Western fantasy. It's just more fun.
>>284845650They still have Naruto fatigue.
>>284828548Love this trope tbqh
>>284846245Ah, the famous terracotta army that was made in the 20th century.
>>284846354KEK
>>284845650>paladins, knights, barbariansNone of those are inherently fantastical, they're guys with swords like samurai are people with katana. It depends on how the setting portrays them.
>>284847460Paladins were such a tiny group of people historically that pretty much any portrayal of them is fantastical. Same with barbarians, which historically were just "wildlings living outside of civilization" They did not have a historical set depiction, so the fantasy version is honestly the only version. I'll grant you knights, but knights in fantasy settings just means dude in armor, possibly with magical gear. The only real historical tie in is that knights are in service of nobility or royalty. My point, however was variety. The most fantastical fantasy-nihojin ever gets these days are ninjas with some nimpo bullshit, which is honestly a lot more fitting that a literal samurai whose super power is having a katana, or a self insert with a katana and love for fried foods. Make fantasy japan in a western fantasy setting actually be fantasy, and not historical reenactment in fantasy setting, that is actual native isekai tier trash.
>>284828548>western
>>284845650>If one of my countrymen wrote a story set in mystical china/japan, and suddenly vikings showed up, awing the slants with meat cakes/balls, dried fish and longaxes and le heccing longships I'd die of embarrassment.Great comparison to show how ridiculous the jap wank is.
>>284847620>that is actual native isekai tier trash.Kill yourself newfag
>>284847904Was going to laugh at you, but realized I've been here 19 years instead.
>>284845650>If one of my countrymen wrote a story set in mystical china/japan, and suddenly vikings showed up, awing the slants with meat cakes/balls, dried fish and longaxes and le heccing longships I'd die of embarrassment.See pic related also, you are an amerimutt, don't kid yourself
>>284828548The Japanese know how to elevate generic mediums. Just look at how the fixed King Arthur. In fact Seiba has superseded any and all iterations as the golden standard of the character.
>>284848117You only say that because you're a mutt.
>>284834753>redditjak
>>284835041Apotecharies' successor will fix this.
